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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread
Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard
(former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account)


I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right?

I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
13.12.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I'm serious, just wait. I almost got it working last evening there just needs to be a couple tweaks to get the stickers and firmware update process right.
Really how... Traktor has to recognise the mixer. If you can trick Traktor into believeing that you have connected a DJM-900 then go for it but without some voodoo i just dont see how you can do that.

When you go thru the setup wizard you 'have' to select one the the Certified mixers in the list. Traktor detects what mixer it is connected to. It doesnt necessarily know what mixer it is (you could connect any old thing), it just knows what mixer it isnt, and the DB4 isnt a DJM.

Good luck.

But i guess you were joking in the first place right???
Romelia Stankard
12.12.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
You might want to have a couple of chickens and some incense just in case the prayers alone don't work.
I'm serious, just wait. I almost got it working last evening there just needs to be a couple tweaks to get the stickers and firmware update process right.
Leeanna Ayla
12.12.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Alright guys I have an idea on how to scratch certify the DB4, I believe I can get it working.

So I'm asking myself, what's the difference between a scratch certified mixer like the DJM-900 and the DB4? Well nothing really, just a little code injected from NI and a Traktor Scrtach Certified sticker. So I'm believeing, I've got an Audio 8 DJ and I'm just going to hook up the A8DJ to the DB4 and suck the scratch certifiediness right out of it into the DB4 through a firmware update, slap on a scratch certified sticker, say a prayer, and if all goes well I'll have a scratch certified DB4 ready to go. I'll make a video of the process, let's hope this works.
You might want to have a couple of chickens and some incense just in case the prayers alone don't work.
Romelia Stankard
11.12.2011
Alright guys I have an idea on how to scratch certify the DB4, I believe I can get it working.

So I'm asking myself, what's the difference between a scratch certified mixer like the DJM-900 and the DB4? Well nothing really, just a little code injected from NI and a Traktor Scrtach Certified sticker. So I'm believeing, I've got an Audio 8 DJ and I'm just going to hook up the A8DJ to the DB4 and suck the scratch certifiediness right out of it into the DB4 through a firmware update, slap on a scratch certified sticker, say a prayer, and if all goes well I'll have a scratch certified DB4 ready to go. I'll make a video of the process, let's hope this works.
Rochel Gleese
04.12.2011
I'd love one of these but the non-certification for TSP2 and the problems everyone seems to be having make this a phat no-buy for me until next year at least.

Seriously WTF is up with the dodgy outputs and things on such a high end mixer? I wonder how many they are selling, low enough numbers where they should be hand tested before shipment???
Amira Gotcher
05.12.2011
A&H support are pretty good. Drop them an email, I normally get a response within 24 hours.
May Artman
04.12.2011
Little update on my issue - called to ask what I needed to do about repair/replacement, they told me to open a support ticket online, did that, 4 days later the ticket was closed with no response. I always anticipate dealing with support will be a evening mare, but I was hoping for it to be better after buying the most expensive mixer on the planet. Oh well.
Dorie Scelzo
01.12.2011
It takes a very nice mixer to not amplify noise if there's not a signal running into basically any input. I wouldn't expect that of any DJ mixer because, well, it just doesn't matter.
Romelia Stankard
01.12.2011
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
This is perfectly normal behaviour for there to be a bit of noise on the analogue inputs.
My db4 has it too, as has every other mixer I have owned however the db4 is much quieter than most. My djm800 had about 10 times more noise through the headphone channel even when using the digital inputs! The digital and USB inputs on the db4 are totally silent.
Yeah that's what I was saying, DB4 is absolutely silent on digital and usb, my 4D wasn't. analog is also quieter than other mixers Ive had.
Carlee Pickard
01.12.2011
What the fuck. Fuck all of you and your DB4s.

/rage /rant /jealousy

:eek:
Amira Gotcher
01.12.2011
This is perfectly normal behaviour for there to be a bit of noise on the analogue inputs.
My db4 has it too, as has every other mixer I have owned however the db4 is much quieter than most. My djm800 had about 10 times more noise through the headphone channel even when using the digital inputs! The digital and USB inputs on the db4 are totally silent.
Romelia Stankard
01.12.2011
Originally Posted by Rexx
Thanks for checking!

The squeel is very faint, but I would be using this on a massive system.

I like the setting at 0 rather than -28.0. As long as this is a normal thing, then I'm good to go.

I'll be taking this thing with me to Hawaii in mid Dec. so I'll check the squeel issue.

Just another question, are my posts on this thing of value to anyone? I don't want to update my experiences if it's a waste of time. I just haven't found a better community as A&H website won't let me register.
Yeah man keep this thread going it's useful to have one on here dedicated to it and it's useful for me so I have something to check my db4 against. I didn't even notice the headphone thing until you mentioned it.
Philip Degener
30.11.2011
yes! I'm currently saving for this bad boy.

...reading about the ups and downs of it is not only good info but helping to keep me motivated.
Larae Knifong
30.11.2011
Thanks for checking!

The squeel is very faint, but I would be using this on a massive system.

I like the setting at 0 rather than -28.0. As long as this is a normal thing, then I'm good to go.

I'll be taking this thing with me to Hawaii in mid Dec. so I'll check the squeel issue.

Just another question, are my posts on this thing of value to anyone? I don't want to update my experiences if it's a waste of time. I just haven't found a better community as A&H website won't let me register.
Romelia Stankard
30.11.2011
Originally Posted by Rexx
But I do have something else that I never encountered or checked with the old unit. I notice that when I have music running on a channel, the fader up, master down to zero, the headphone at zero, I can hear the track faintly playing in my headphones. The headphone setting is at +0.0.

I can come to conclude/justify a reason in my head IF this is a design feature, BUT do any of you have this?

Usually when you have the headphone volume at zero you shouldn't be able to hear anything.

For the guy who posted the dodgy mixer comment.... I agree.

I'm believeing I shoud return it and get a full refund while I still can. Then wait a year, because I still love how the mixer sounds.
I just checked and mine dose this too, I wouldn't worry about it.

edit: I just checked and if you lower the headphone trim in the setup menu down quite a bit it goes away. Not really an issue for me though.
Romelia Stankard
30.11.2011
Originally Posted by Rexx
Hey guys,

So I just brought home my replacement, new-in-box, unit. Judging by the s/n it's only 7 units later than the previous.

I still get the same faint squeel with the NEW unit when the channels are switched to analogue, and the phono is selected on both the 2nd and 3rd channels. Again, nothing connected to the mixer except the power cord. But it's not as bad.
how loud is it? If I turn all inputs to analog with phono switches on and turn the master all the way up I can hear a very very faint high pitched noise. Nothing really notable though that I would call defective or an issue and I've gotten considerably worse noise/interference from other high end mixers.
Larae Knifong
30.11.2011
Hey guys,

So I just brought home my replacement, new-in-box, unit. Judging by the s/n it's only 7 units later than the previous.

I still get the same faint squeel with the NEW unit when the channels are switched to analogue, and the phono is selected on both the 2nd and 3rd channels. Again, nothing connected to the mixer except the power cord. But it's not as bad.

But I do have something else that I never encountered or checked with the old unit. I notice that when I have music running on a channel, the fader up, master down to zero, the headphone at zero, I can hear the track faintly playing in my headphones. The headphone setting is at +0.0.

I can come to conclude/justify a reason in my head IF this is a design feature, BUT do any of you have this?

Usually when you have the headphone volume at zero you shouldn't be able to hear anything.

For the guy who posted the dodgy mixer comment.... I agree.

I'm believeing I shoud return it and get a full refund while I still can. Then wait a year, because I still love how the mixer sounds.
May Artman
30.11.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Do you get it without anything plugged into the inputs?

I get some noise with turntables hooked to an audio 8. It only makes noise when analog input is selected and I suspect a ground issue.
Its not an input issue - the noise is still prevalent with nothing plugged in and the master out at 0. Its very strange as it is consistent - the noise is always there on the right channel to some degree, but it may be barely audible for 10 minutes then just pop in full blast for 30 seconds and go away again.

For a 2,500 piece of kit I was believeing the same thing but I almost wonder if folks are dealing with grey market goods.
I paid full price through an authorized retailer. I hope that's not "grey market". Either way I'm wondering what caused this issue as mine was fine for months.
Larae Knifong
29.11.2011
I believe it depends on where you live.

When I went to visit a friend in the Middle East who had just bought one. There was nothing wrong with hers and it has an an ealier S/N than mine.

With all the radio waves flying around due to cell phone towers, satellite radios, etc. in Canada/US the DB4 could just be vulnerable to picking these stray frequencies.

I don't know... I'm just guessing.

My problem was with using just the phono inputs. I was getting a wierd, but faint, squeel signal... somthing like satellite feed. Since I get my own vinyl pressed, having the squeel was not good enough for me.

When using the digital and ubs inputs the DB4 was absolutly silent.

When I brought the machine to a friend to have thresholds tested, he couldn't find anything that would be problematic. Everything was at a acceptable range.

My Middleastern friend will be comming to visit me for Christmas and I've asked her to bring it so we can see if she gets the same squeel.
Romelia Stankard
29.11.2011
Originally Posted by DigitalDevil
Chiming in here to add my DB4 to the injured reserve list - getting a lot of noise on the right channel of the master XLR out. No idea what kind of process I need to go through to get it repaired/replaced, but I assume it won't be quick or easy, especially if I have to mail it across the pond.
Do you get it without anything plugged into the inputs?

I get some noise with turntables hooked to an audio 8. It only makes noise when analog input is selected and I suspect a ground issue.
Rosina Steinkuehler
29.11.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Bloody hell these things are dodgy...
For a 2,500 piece of kit I was believeing the same thing but I almost wonder if folks are dealing with grey market goods.
Kiyoko Wellisch
29.11.2011
Bloody hell these things are dodgy...
Larae Knifong
28.11.2011
Originally Posted by DigitalDevil
Chiming in here to add my DB4 to the injured reserve list - getting a lot of noise on the right channel of the master XLR out. No idea what kind of process I need to go through to get it repaired/replaced, but I assume it won't be quick or easy, especially if I have to mail it across the pond.
Did you try the Hard Reset? (hold MENU and turning it on). If that doesn't work, I would take it back. That's what I did with mine.
May Artman
28.11.2011
Chiming in here to add my DB4 to the injured reserve list - getting a lot of noise on the right channel of the master XLR out. No idea what kind of process I need to go through to get it repaired/replaced, but I assume it won't be quick or easy, especially if I have to mail it across the pond.
Romelia Stankard
24.11.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Some of mixarchitekts subliminal messages from his cat may have some part in i..
Actually that video was a major factor into what made me really excited with the possibilities and decide to actually do what I had to do to buy this mixer. major.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJpI8nSwwo
Cliff Lohman
24.11.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
I'd just like to point out that this thread is probably single handedly responsible for this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...increased.html
Some of mixarchitekts subliminal messages from his cat may have some part in i..
Romelia Stankard
24.11.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
I'd just like to point out that this thread is probably single handedly responsible for this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...increased.html
hahaha
Danae Dumler
24.11.2011
I'd just like to point out that this thread is probably single handedly responsible for this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...increased.html
Vada Branyon
23.11.2011
rable rable rable

No idea how to post a youtube link...

-edit-
ooooooo... it's automatic!
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2011
Ok it seems that Kev has started a new thread. I am not encouraging people to go over to NI and start bangin their fists on the table. Any such posts will be deleted. I dont want NI bollocking me for a load of people joining the community just to shout at them.

I see nothing wrong in people adding a +1 or giving good reasosn for why Certification would help with their use of the DB4 and Traktor.

NI are aware that there is demand for Certification but they wont be swayed by tub-thumping.
Vada Branyon
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I have to say, i see quite few people complaining about the DB4 not being certified on DJTT but i dont see you all on the NI community making concise and well mannered suggestions that it is.
Do NI really take notice of what happens? I'm aware of mixarchitekt and he seems like an amazing guy.

If you say it would matter that we post on the community s. I will make an account and put in an effort over there.

I love my xone. I don't really have a need for the certification at the moment, but i can see that a lot of people do. It would be nice for the occasions where i borrow some techs from a friend.

I know the thread you are speaking off and i regularly look into it, just to see what mixarchitekt drops over there.
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.11.2011
Someone should go to the HQ with a load of donuts and say they ain't sharing until it's certified. I mean come on, no one can resist the ones with jam inside.
Hipolito Scionti
23.11.2011
I'd maybe get one if they did... no way I can justify that kind of money on a mixer not scratch certified.

Even if Andy C does use the midi function on it

Why doesn't some one (who cares enough) start a new thread on DJTT called "Please NI and A&H, scratch certify the DB4). Peoplec an comment on that then someone can just send that one link to A&H and NI showing that the DJTT community are looking for scratch certification.

Just an idea...
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.11.2011
So- anyone believe we'll see a DB1 which will be like a Xone:22 on steroids? I might buy that. :P
Romelia Stankard
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Yeah mate get involved in the community discussion. Its quite long now.
Its true that NI dont live and breath in the community but Mixarkitect posts a lot and the more people post the better.
Obviously we dont want "Just f*cking certify it already" kinda posts, but im sure some of the good debate that is posted on DJTT would help to be on the NI community as well.
Where's the best area of the community to do this?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2011
Yeah mate get involved in the community discussion. Its quite long now.
Its true that NI dont live and breath in the community but Mixarkitect posts a lot and the more people post the better.
Obviously we dont want "Just f*cking certify it already" kinda posts, but im sure some of the good debate that is posted on DJTT would help to be on the NI community as well.
Cliff Lohman
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Andy C using the DB4 is a huge reason for NI to revisit the subject of certifying it. A&H are aware of this as i discussed this very thing with Andy Rigby-Jones.

I have to say, i see quite few people complaining about the DB4 not being certified on DJTT but i dont see you all on the NI community making concise and well mannered suggestions that it is.

Dont get me wrong, you shouldnt have to do it !!! (get that point before you rail at me). But, it all helps to add to the clamour for Certification.

Im still under the impression that when the DB2 comes out A&H will have approached NI to certify it and the DB4.
I actually email NI every other week or so complaining and asking for an update

I hope others are doing the same..

I heard they dont check the community much so I figured submitting official tickets to their support team was the better route. Would u suggest the community as well?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by Jay Melis
Andy c .
Andy C using the DB4 is a huge reason for NI to revisit the subject of certifying it. A&H are aware of this as i discussed this very thing with Andy Rigby-Jones.

I have to say, i see quite few people complaining about the DB4 not being certified on DJTT but i dont see you all on the NI community making concise and well mannered suggestions that it is.

Dont get me wrong, you shouldnt have to do it !!! (get that point before you rail at me). But, it all helps to add to the clamour for Certification.

Im still under the impression that when the DB2 comes out A&H will have approached NI to certify it and the DB4.
Cliff Lohman
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I just got my Audio 8 in the mail, as I hook this monstrosity of wires up to the DB4 words can't describe my disappointment with NI right now.
Seriously.. I havent even hooked up my Audio 6 because I dont want to deal with it and Im hating on NI about this..

Xone - lemme know how the Audio 8 works out with db4? I believe u lose the input matrix flexibility by doing this.. is that right? In other words, u can no longer route the same track to a seperate db4 channel via the input matrix knob on db4.
Vada Branyon
23.11.2011
That's what happens.

If Andy c wasn't so busy playing shitstep, he could've put his time into getting NI to endorse our sweet mixer.

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