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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread
Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard
(former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account)


I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right?

I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Danae Dumler
15.02.2012		welcome to the dark side!
Romelia Stankard
15.02.2012		According to his thread in OT he just bought it.
Dorie Scelzo
15.02.2012		meaning you bought one or you really want one?

I really like that mixer, but I'm still not sure I'd buy it.
Kristofer Krauel
15.02.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
Disciples of the DB4, I have just joined your clan. I now worship at the alter of A&H.
What? When? You kept that quiet!! Brand new?
Tatum Ansaldo
15.02.2012		Disciples of the DB4, I have just joined your clan. I now worship at the alter of A&H.
Brant Briski
11.02.2012		DB2 does not have a send mode at the moment. it has post fader fx with a few different routing options related to the xfader.

i made a minor error of clarity in my send mode description (post fader is on the mind and we're still in a pre-fade world for a few more months.) the return of the fx engine on the db4 in send mode is running parallel with the dry signal in a pre-fader routing. the send function allows the tail to ring out, since you are feeding the fx engine at the head, which allows you to sweep in a delay or if you believe of your knob movements as ADSR, can yield all sorts of expressive facility with the delays in particular.

send mode does not feed the fx output back into the input. you can do that by creating a feedback loop with record send into an input channel or digitally using the master out into a coax in.

our NZ and AU tour starts today so looking forward to seeing the locals out over the next 3 weeks. kindred studios gig in melbourne will be fun fun.
Juliette Vensel
10.02.2012
Originally Posted by mix architekt
send mode is the most important change to come in the firmware update. this allows the dry/wet control to feed the input of the effect engine as an aux send would on other mixing desks. the return of the effect engine output is straight to the master bus, so this results in the tails of delays and reverbs ringing out. the dry/wet knob as a send becomes a very expressive control, facilitating deep dub hits, swept delay voicings, and all sorts of other possibilities relative to how much you explore. get into it - there is a lot to discover. :-)
Do you know if the DB2 has a similar function? I believe you mentioned those effects were post faders?
Cliff Lohman
10.02.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I still haven't played with send mode yet, what exactly does it do?
It seems like it just keeps feeding the fx output back into the fx engine so ur deay or verb will keep growing and growing..when turned back to completely dry, it will take time to fade out.. Definitely gives some different results than classic modes.. Have to be pretty careful because it can grow into a loud noise quickly if u dont watch what ur doing carefully..

It sounds good.. I just like the classic modes too much i believe..
Brant Briski
09.02.2012		send mode is the most important change to come in the firmware update. this allows the dry/wet control to feed the input of the effect engine as an aux send would on other mixing desks. the return of the effect engine output is straight to the master bus, so this results in the tails of delays and reverbs ringing out. the dry/wet knob as a send becomes a very expressive control, facilitating deep dub hits, swept delay voicings, and all sorts of other possibilities relative to how much you explore. get into it - there is a lot to discover. :-)
Tatum Ansaldo
09.02.2012		I just watched the Andy C DB4 video on their website and it's rekindled my fascination with the DB4...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkdrpS3gwsA

I'm now pretty much in the position you were at the beginning of this thread xonetacular haha!
Romelia Stankard
09.02.2012
Originally Posted by kevz718
Classic (i really hope they put back killsend on selected fx tho)

I toggle to killsend sometimes

I gotta experiment with send mode more but its just so much different that its probably a habitual choice that leads me to classic. I like it and will def play with it more.
I still haven't played with send mode yet, what exactly does it do?
Cliff Lohman
09.02.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
What FX mode in the new firmware are most people using
Classic (i really hope they put back killsend on selected fx tho)

I toggle to killsend sometimes

I gotta experiment with send mode more but its just so much different that its probably a habitual choice that leads me to classic. I like it and will def play with it more.
Lynetta Stanislav
09.02.2012		What FX mode in the new firmware are most people using
Lynetta Stanislav
07.02.2012		Xone updated the firmware and got mix Archs tsi working as well , cheers for the help
Juliette Vensel
07.02.2012		@Xonetacular ~ You ever check your Inbox for my PM?
Felipe Rasper
07.02.2012		A German Tutorial about the new software is available on youtube :

[youtube]uGSdNjVqfNA[/youtube]
Romelia Stankard
05.02.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
Cool will try this tomorrow will update to the new firmware , just check they have the older version as well so might try that first , what do I need a clean usb stick , do I need to format it ?
Yeah it needs to be a quality 4gb or less usb stick formatted fat32 with just the (extracted) firmware on it. USB sticks larger than 4gb or no name brands may not work. I use a 4GB Crucial for flashing.
Lynetta Stanislav
05.02.2012		Cool will try this tomorrow will update to the new firmware , just check they have the older version as well so might try that first , what do I need a clean usb stick , do I need to format it ?
Romelia Stankard
05.02.2012		Well if it shipped with an old firmware that is a version behind the one that came before this latest release that could be a problem. I would just update the firmware or at least to the last one (not sure if it's on the website still, I can send it to you when I get home). But really you can just flash to the latest, only difference is you lose the ability to do the original killsend toggle mode which may not matter to you.
Lynetta Stanislav
05.02.2012		I don't have the very latest installed , only got the db4 on friday so trying to work everything out before I updated .
Romelia Stankard
05.02.2012		Do you have the latest firmware installed?
Lynetta Stanislav
05.02.2012		Anyone any help in getting mix archs tsi working
Lynetta Stanislav
04.02.2012		download it can see midi from maschine when I use it but nothing from the db4
Brant Briski
04.02.2012		probably just traktor ignoring db4 midi. download midi monitor, run it, move some faders and it should come to life.

http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/
Lynetta Stanislav
04.02.2012		anyone got any help with Mix Architekts tsi loaded it set the ports press midi shift and none of the buttons do anything , do I need to update to the latest firmware ??
Felipe Rasper
04.02.2012		F#ck!nG Love The New Firmware Update !!!
Lynetta Stanislav
03.02.2012		Xone you run Mix Arch's tsi , I loaded it but couldn't get it working what should the ports be set at and how do you go through the different layers of midi for hot cues etc.
Lynetta Stanislav
03.02.2012		got it working now , so much to take in going to be a lot of fun learning all the settings
Romelia Stankard
03.02.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
got sound turned the booth sound up , what about routing the 4 decks to each channel any tips
Just route them as normal to the DB4 soundcard outputs like you would any soundcard and turn the usb input toggle switch on for each channel of the mixer.
Lynetta Stanislav
03.02.2012		got sound turned the booth sound up , what about routing the 4 decks to each channel any tips
Lynetta Stanislav
03.02.2012		got the db4 today unboxed connected up , drivers loaded , stupid question next what do set your sound output to in traktor got my monitors connected to booth out but no sound ??
Basil Forshee
03.02.2012		First the toggle kill/send mode was via holding down the FX and another button? Because it didn't work when I tried it ...
Romelia Stankard
03.02.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
Bought my Db4 yesterday should arrive today can't wait to get home from work toevening , should I update right away or play with the original firmware till I figure everything out.
Awesome! I would play around on the original, the one thing I don't like about the new firmware (if beta is the same) is the original toggle kill send mode is gone.
Amira Gotcher
03.02.2012		Congratulations Neil, i'm sure you're going to love it. It's a stunning mixer.
I'd recommend putting the latest firmware on straight away!
Lynetta Stanislav
03.02.2012		Bought my Db4 yesterday should arrive today can't wait to get home from work toevening , should I update right away or play with the original firmware till I figure everything out.
Billye Jankovic
02.02.2012		any big differences between the beta and the official firmware?
Romelia Stankard
02.02.2012
Originally Posted by beatkind
now the official firmware 1.12 is ready to download on a&h homepage...this was fast 2 days beta version and now ther final...
Yeah that's pretty crazy I wonder if they even changed anything in the public. I just want to toggle killsend mode the normal way in the new firmware.
Sagi Ohayon
02.02.2012		now the official firmware 1.12 is ready to download on a&h homepage...this was fast 2 days beta version and now ther final...
Cliff Lohman
02.02.2012		Dunno if this helps anybody but heres how i run tsp with timecode routed thru ableton and into db4.

Traktor uses ni audio soundcard in and outs which is cabled to db4 via rcas. Ableton uses db4 soundcard in and outs to route audio to db4. Midi clock from traktor is sent via Loopb1 virtual cable to ableton. Same virtual loopb1 cable is sent to db4. Aleton and db4 set to receive ext midi clock.

Db4 usb routing menu (which i screwed up and changed by accident after firmre upgrade) is what seems to make this possible. I basically am sending the returned timecode controlled audio from db4 into traktor and then back out.

Works quite well for me. Wish i had less cables but oh well, doesnt look like nis gonna certify so wont keep crying over spilled milk.
Basil Forshee
02.02.2012
Originally Posted by mix architekt
i'm sorry, but all that's written above is totally off from what was actually happening at the dubfire gig at timewarp mannhiem last year. i was at the sound check providing a new db4 for the show with the rest of the xone crew, and at that point in time he was using the db4 as a direct replacement for a 92 minus one channel.

4 decks of traktor into the db4 via ni audio interface.
stereo out of maschine into the db4 line/mic in for the 2nd laptop.
midi cable for sync between the 2 laptops.
2 cdj's as back up in case the laptops fail.
he was not using the db4's usb audio interface.

that's it.

if you want timecode and a db4, you can use the native interface and all is well.
Why wasn't he using the DB4 audio interface, it's just a pity to use one more soundcard, right? But I've read somewhere else - I believe on your Facebook - that he since then is using the DB4's audio interface?

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