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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread

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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard (former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account) I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right? I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Philip Degener 23.11.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Oh yeah the Audio 8 is awesome and I was going to buy another one regardless of what mixer I bought since I still need a separate soundcard but it's a pain to have to hook up if I want to use timecode at home. so you are running audio 8 into db4 just to get timecode? that is f'ing ridiculous...makes me want to bail on traktor altogether
Yevette Matatall 23.11.2011	thankyou
Philip Degener 23.11.2011	Marcus Schossow - Chase My Rabbit ....dope song
Yevette Matatall 23.11.2011	idiot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_S2Jn4kt8Q
Yevette Matatall 23.11.2011	John Digweed using DB4 at fabric.... Can anyone ID this track?
Romelia Stankard 22.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay Oh, yeah that's a bummer At first I thought you meant you don't like the Audio 8, I was gunna reach through my monitor and slap you :P Oh yeah the Audio 8 is awesome and I was going to buy another one regardless of what mixer I bought since I still need a separate soundcard but it's a pain to have to hook up if I want to use timecode at home.
Kiyoko Wellisch 22.11.2011	Oh, yeah that's a bummer At first I thought you meant you don't like the Audio 8, I was gunna reach through my monitor and slap you :P
Romelia Stankard 22.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay Do you just mean you're disappointed that it isn't certified? Yeah.
Kiyoko Wellisch 22.11.2011	Do you just mean you're disappointed that it isn't certified?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 22.11.2011	Why..? What multicores did you get..? Surely you knew what came with it..? You dont need to use multicores you can just use regular phono/rca cables.
Kiyoko Wellisch 22.11.2011	Why's that?
Romelia Stankard 22.11.2011	I just got my Audio 8 in the mail, as I hook this monstrosity of wires up to the DB4 words can't describe my disappointment with NI right now.
Philip Degener 22.11.2011	check this thread for more about filter mode eqs http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=39866 also @xone thanks for posting that mix, sounds good
Dorie Scelzo 23.11.2011	Originally Posted by kevz718 Hey, do u have an example of a site like this? Curious what they are showing? Is it to show their styles of playing guitar? It's mostly just about gear . http://www.guitargeek.com/jimi-hendrix-woodstock-1969/ I'd enjoy seeing that for some performers, but DJ gear is really straightforward.
Kiyoko Wellisch 23.11.2011	I'd imagine it should explain their peddle board.
Cliff Lohman 23.11.2011	Originally Posted by mostapha Actually, there are websites that do that for guitarists. It's kinda cool. But, DJs even try to hide track names from people
Dorie Scelzo 22.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I know the difference but I was asking what the advantage is, I mean you could just turn the isolators down half way and get exactly the same effect as an EQ. People answered this, but I believe the other advantage is that turning an ISO band all the way down sounds really weird, at least to me. The slope of the cutoff is so strangely sharp that it doesn't sound at all natural and can add some weird overtones. But, I'm weird. I haven't used EQs in a while. Originally Posted by MrPopinjay Every artist should distribute detailed diagrams explaining their setups :P Actually, there are websites that do that for guitarists. It's kinda cool. But, DJs even try to hide track names from people
Cliff Lohman 22.11.2011	Originally Posted by djproben The main reason I want postfader effects option is to be able to use the ping pong delay with a scratch. I was able to do this on the Ecler Evo 5 and it was a great effect. I like the DB4's freeze option but it's not as easy to get a simple echo out the way you do on Traktor. It sounds a hell of a lot nicer on the DB4 though. Kill send is nice.. But its a little different than post fader.. I find with post fader u have tight control over volume.. With kill send, u can definitely emulste a full kill but its hard to just lower the volume a tiny bit. Itll be great to have both KS and PFfx someday.
Danae Dumler 22.11.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I just discovered KILL SEND FX mode on the delays and reverbs. Basically it allows you to do delay freeze and reverb freeze type stuff. I guess I don't need to wait for a post fader firmware update after all. The main reason I want postfader effects option is to be able to use the ping pong delay with a scratch. I was able to do this on the Ecler Evo 5 and it was a great effect. I like the DB4's freeze option but it's not as easy to get a simple echo out the way you do on Traktor. It sounds a hell of a lot nicer on the DB4 though.
Branden Wentler 21.11.2011	I noticed the relative ease in mixing tracks that I know could sound good mixed together but were in some way difficult to pull off because of texture and tone of either track. The DB4 makes it soooo much more effortless and less stresfull. SOmeone (xone?) stated earlier that EQ changes are not as noticable and that statement is very true esp in iso mode. The delay FX twinkle like colliding snowflakes while the verbs whisper steamy wisps of erotica. lol Doesn't make me a better DJ by a long shot but certainly improves and suits my mixing style very well. Haven't tried mixing breakbeat or indie stuff yet on the DB4 though so...
Romelia Stankard 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo So it DOES make you a better DJ!!! Something like that Here's some xone DB4 effect goodness, I'll try to go through and point out which effects are what but I forget which modulators and resonators I used... Put on some good headphones to get an idea of the sound quality. http://soundcloud.com/dsmiv/xone-db4-effects-demo
Leeanna Ayla 21.11.2011	So it DOES make you a better DJ!!!
Romelia Stankard 21.11.2011	I just discovered KILL SEND FX mode on the delays and reverbs. Basically it allows you to do delay freeze and reverb freeze type stuff. I guess I don't need to wait for a post fader firmware update after all. I also just learned you can put the delays in free rate ms mode instead fractional bpm mode. You learn so much from reading the manual... I just spent like an hour messing with the effects they sound so damn good. I recored a little bit I'll probably upload it so you can hear some of the effects. Also listening to a bit of the recording now I see what Andy C was talking about how you really don't need to do much EQing and the mixer kind of just naturally gels everything and makes it sound good. I was screwing around and me mixing like this would have sounded like crap on the S4 but through the DB4 it makes it sound really good with no effort.
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.11.2011	So it seems. I'd love to see how it's employed. Every artist should distribute detailed diagrams explaining their setups :P
Leeanna Ayla 21.11.2011	Vinyl, Traktor and Ableton.
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.11.2011	Whoa Andy C uses more than just vinyl now?
Leeanna Ayla 21.11.2011	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WhH4...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7M4D...eature=related
Romelia Stankard 21.11.2011	He mentioned it also controls video and I would love to see how they have that ties into the live setup and what it's doing...
Leeanna Ayla 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by 3IJ @kevz and xone good to know. was wondering after seeing andy c vid where he talks about mixing w filter mode. ~3:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkdrpS3gwsA Interesting, he gives a Midi Fighter shout out in the beginning.
Philip Degener 21.11.2011	@kevz and xone good to know. was wondering after seeing andy c vid where he talks about mixing w filter mode. ~3:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkdrpS3gwsA
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.11.2011	Odd, I never had that problem when I switched from EQ to isolators. Just felt good to me
Romelia Stankard 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I know the difference but I was asking what the advantage is, I mean you could just turn the isolators down half way and get exactly the same effect as an EQ. True but with the ISOs it is very sensitive and turning a little bit does a lot, EQs are much more suited for quicker mixing and are more forgiving. If I am doing bassline swaps or cutting something out for a bar I would rather just yank it all the way to the left instead of having to position it at 9:00 or something. ISO feels very different and you need to pay closer attention and is more for precision EQ surgery.
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay I know the difference but I was asking what the advantage is, I mean you could just turn the isolators down half way and get exactly the same effect as an EQ. I guess so.. I find myself using the ISO when I want to make full kills of something. And I find myself using EQs when I want to blend tracks together for longer times. Thats really the biggest working difference for me. I wouldnt say its an advantage though.. Other than that, I dunno if I can really state any advantages per se. Lots of mixers have ISO + EQ tho. I've heard some shitty sounding EQs on some mixers and ive heard ISO that dont really kill a frequency all that well so I guess an advantage is that DB4's are not shitty + they do what they are supposed to do.. Tricky question there mrpopin!
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.11.2011	I know the difference but I was asking what the advantage is, I mean you could just turn the isolators down half way and get exactly the same effect as an EQ.
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Looking at the DB2, I notice how they put the roller (or looper - whatever they called it) into the effects (as opposed to seperate sampler on DB4). I hope they put the roller into DB4 effects. Thats one big thing I miss from djm. I like being able to grab a sample and easily fade it in and out of the track using the D/W knob. With DB4, I can do it but have to route to new channel and then use the sampler channel volumes as the D/W control. Im going to make the suggestion to A+H..
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay What's the advantage of EQ over isolators? EQ sounds more 'colored' I guess I would say.. Leaves behind some remnants of the frequencies.. The ISO I guess is just working purely off the exact frequencies its supposed to so it really takes ALL the bass out. If I turn down all the EQs, I still get some audible bits of the track. If I do same on ISO, I get virtually no audible sounds. Depends what Im doing as to what I use.. I find that when I use efx, I like ISO to take some of the lows out as opposed to EQ. But when Im mixing in a new track, I tend to use the EQ mode.
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.11.2011	What's the advantage of EQ over isolators?
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Nice, a firmwarr rotary mixer switch would be incredible Lets not go confusing their priorities lol - tho im sure none of us have much impact on their priority roadmap. Seriously tho, nice find on this.. ur right.. its almost as if it was built to do this. Did A+H seem surprised by it? Or did they make it seem like they knew it already and would consider it? I have to say A+H support has been awesome so far (what a nice difference from pioneer!). They actually know what they are talking about and are very pleasant about things.
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I switch between EQ and ISO mode, I haven't really messed with the filter mode yet since it's very non traditional and I don't quite have the hang of it. I actually really like the filter mode for 2 things: 1. Bringing in a new track (but then i have to dupe the track to a spare channel) if I want to switch to EQ smoothly. 2. Slamming a track in + out of the mix - rather than doing EQ/ISO kills, I've found this to be another way of slamming tracks in and out in a cool way. Flick switch up for a beat and then back down, repeat. Its unique but Im getting the hang of its usefulness..
Cliff Lohman 21.11.2011	Originally Posted by 3IJ just a question to any of you d-bags that have this thing....how are you liking the EQs? do you find yourself preferring the ISO or filter mode? I love the EQs and the ISO.. I use both (probably EQ the most tho). It took me a while to get used to them coming from a djm mixer.. they are alot more sensitive / unique than other EQs in a way that I cant explain.. just different. I like them and they sound really good. The ISO definitely does a good job at cutting the freqs totally out.

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