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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread
Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard
(former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account)


I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right?

I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Romelia Stankard
30.01.2012
Also in classic fx mode is the regular way to enter killsend mode disabled? To use killsend in this firmware do you have to be in killsend fx mode in the menu? I can't seem to enter it by holding down the delay button and fx adjust like on the last version.
Romelia Stankard
30.01.2012
Oh wow I am loving mixing on rotary mode. Lots of fun it feels exactly like mixing on my old Xone: 92 rotary, same knobs.


I would be interested to see if the level input on CDJs running hot is fixed, it seems like it might be since there seems to be more room to play with on the gains.
Cliff Lohman
30.01.2012
Originally Posted by mix architekt
Public beta now available; just use at your own risk and have a back up of the previous firmware to bring you back to normal...

Revised gain structure to improve signal matching between input sources, (RIAA, Line, Digital and USB)

New effects architecture that allows the tails of reverbs and delays to continue in the mix when the Wet/Dry control is turned back to Dry
Romelia Stankard
30.01.2012
Originally Posted by mix architekt
Public beta now available; just use at your own risk and have a back up of the previous firmware to bring you back to normal...

Revised gain structure to improve signal matching between input sources, (RIAA, Line, Digital and USB)

New effects architecture that allows the tails of reverbs and delays to continue in the mix when the Wet/Dry control is turned back to Dry
Brant Briski
30.01.2012
Public beta now available; just use at your own risk and have a back up of the previous firmware to bring you back to normal...

Revised gain structure to improve signal matching between input sources, (RIAA, Line, Digital and USB)

New effects architecture that allows the tails of reverbs and delays to continue in the mix when the Wet/Dry control is turned back to Dry
Cliff Lohman
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Thanks a lot! Yeah that's weird the menu trim doesn't change the VU meters, they really need to do something about that. Hopefully it is addressed in the next firmware since a lot of stuff looks like it is being added.

I would just keep the gains at like 9:00 until then- that's not too bad.
Ya, its def manageable with keeping the gains low and ill bet they address it with firmware update.
Romelia Stankard
20.01.2012
Thanks a lot! Yeah that's weird the menu trim doesn't change the VU meters, they really need to do something about that. Hopefully it is addressed in the next firmware since a lot of stuff looks like it is being added.

I would just keep the gains at like 9:00 until then- that's not too bad.
Cliff Lohman
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by kevz718
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1oQQ-9KLA

Here ya go..

Ull notice that channel and master do not clip but at 0 gain, the meters are pretty high up there. Turn gain down all the way and it stsrts to make more visual sense.

If the menu trim took the meters down, i believe itd be perfectly fine. But the meters arent adjusted with the trim setting in menu.

Since its not clipping, its not unmanageable.. But its s bit annoying imo.

Ill leave my cdj hooked up for a few days in case u want to see anything else.

Sorry for shaky vid.. Did it on ipad
And the channel gains i used were first at 12 oclock (0) then 9 then 7 oclock.
Cliff Lohman
20.01.2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1oQQ-9KLA

Here ya go..

Ull notice that channel and master do not clip but at 0 gain, the meters are pretty high up there. Turn gain down all the way and it stsrts to make more visual sense.

If the menu trim took the meters down, i believe itd be perfectly fine. But the meters arent adjusted with the trim setting in menu.

Since its not clipping, its not unmanageable.. But its s bit annoying imo.

Ill leave my cdj hooked up for a few days in case u want to see anything else.

Sorry for shaky vid.. Did it on ipad
Romelia Stankard
20.01.2012
In reference to:

http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...&postcount=340

http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...&postcount=333

http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...&postcount=332
Romelia Stankard
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
You know that varies more based on the tracks and how they were mastered than it does based on what's playing them?
There have been complaints about CDJs running hot on the DB4 compared to other input sources and mixers (been discussed in here earlier), so I want to see for myself to at least get an estimate. People were saying with the gain knobs turned all the way down the meters were lighting up pretty high with CDJs.
Kiyoko Wellisch
20.01.2012
I'm curious, why do you want to know anyway?
Dorie Scelzo
20.01.2012
You know that varies more based on the tracks and how they were mastered than it does based on what's playing them?
Cliff Lohman
19.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Hey can someone running a DB4 with CDJs tell me how high the VU meters spike with gains at 12:00?

Or even better take a short video playing off a pioneer CDJ and show where the VU meters peak as you go through the range of the gain knob. Some people were saying they peaked too high and I wanted to see for myself since I'm considering buying CDJs.
Give me a day or two and ill get u a vid
Romelia Stankard
19.01.2012
Hey can someone running a DB4 with CDJs tell me how high the VU meters spike with gains at 12:00?

Or even better take a short video playing off a pioneer CDJ and show where the VU meters peak as you go through the range of the gain knob. Some people were saying they peaked too high and I wanted to see for myself since I'm considering buying CDJs.
Branden Wentler
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Hahahaha yeah they put them right next to each other.
I'll believe of that the next time the missus gives me that look.
Romelia Stankard
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by space monkey
EDIT:

Unfuckingbelievable! I had my USB cable plugged into the damned X-Link (RJ45) port.

Nothing to see here. carry on. Seriously talk about PEBCAK. I'm so embarrassed after pulling my hair out for 4 hours last evening .
Hahahaha yeah they put them right next to each other.
Basil Forshee
15.01.2012
Mhahaha, I laughed. It just feels so recognizable :P, well that describes us men... Do do do, believe afterwards!
Branden Wentler
15.01.2012
damn did I just kill this thread or what?
Branden Wentler
15.01.2012
EDIT:

Unfuckingbelievable! I had my USB cable plugged into the damned X-Link (RJ45) port.

Nothing to see here. carry on. Seriously talk about PEBCAK. I'm so embarrassed after pulling my hair out for 4 hours last evening .
Branden Wentler
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Did the driver install successfully?
Well the dialogue says that it did and prompts for a restart. The DB4 application installed as well and actually opens. The DB4 for some reason isn't recognized by the system, traktor nor the DB4 app.
I'll have more time today to troubleshoot as at first I thought maybe the Mac was finicky with USB cables--tried a couple of extras but no dice. I should note that after the initial install my circuit box tripped because when i connected the USB cable the DB4 was going through a 110v converter and the Air was plugged into a 220v wall unit. Nothing was burned as the Air's USB ports are fine with other gear and the DB4 still works on my PC. Maybe there is a grounding issue even though the DB4 is now in another 220v wall jack? I still believe this is driver related though.

cheers

EDIT:
Just so we're clear when installing the driver the Xone should NOT be plugged in via USB right? I know the PC instructions were pretty specific but the Mac installation did not state.
Romelia Stankard
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by space monkey
brand new computer 10.7.2 installed
Did the driver install successfully?
Branden Wentler
14.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Did it stop working after an upgrade or is it a new computer?

I upgraded to lion and no issues.
brand new computer 10.7.2 installed
Romelia Stankard
14.01.2012
Originally Posted by DigitalDevil
Got my DB4 back from repair this week and all is well again. I'm still a bit disappointed that there was a problem at all, but the service was pretty good. I was a bit scared after seeing so many multi month horror stories on gear servicing, but I guess they care a little bit more when it's a $3000 mixer instead of a $100 controller.

Glad to see the rotary idea coming to fruition. It always seemed like such a simple addition but I didn't really expect it to happen.
Good to hear. Yeah I'm really happy they did it so quickly, I definitely was not expecting it to for some reason based on experience with how some other companies handle dealing with users pleading for software improvements.... *cough NI*
Romelia Stankard
14.01.2012
Originally Posted by space monkey
DB4 is not showing up on my devices list in OS X Lion (2011 MB Air 13")
Anyone have similar issues? How did you get it to work?
thanks
Did it stop working after an upgrade or is it a new computer?

I upgraded to lion and no issues.
May Artman
14.01.2012
Got my DB4 back from repair this week and all is well again. I'm still a bit disappointed that there was a problem at all, but the service was pretty good. I was a bit scared after seeing so many multi month horror stories on gear servicing, but I guess they care a little bit more when it's a $3000 mixer instead of a $100 controller.

Glad to see the rotary idea coming to fruition. It always seemed like such a simple addition but I didn't really expect it to happen.
Branden Wentler
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by addictive
Working fine on my 2011 13" Macbook Air!
DB4 is not showing up on my devices list in OS X Lion (2011 MB Air 13")
Anyone have similar issues? How did you get it to work?
thanks
Dorie Scelzo
11.01.2012
Praise be to the most fly, Prada.
Basil Forshee
11.01.2012
When my second X1 and my DB4 got here, I'm going to map the X1's CA-BD. It's like the most logical setup in my opinion. Praise to the matrix input.
Judi Sissel
10.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
I believe I'm the only person that uses AB on one and CD on the other?

They're next to each other on the GUI and next to each other on the X1s
Romelia Stankard
10.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
I believe I'm the only person that uses AB on one and CD on the other?

They're next to each other on the GUI and next to each other on the X1s
Dorie Scelzo
10.01.2012
I believe I'm the only person that uses AB on one and CD on the other?

They're next to each other on the GUI and next to each other on the X1s
Romelia Stankard
10.01.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
What X1 mapping do you use or is it just the standard mapping.
standard on two X1s with AC BD map
Lynetta Stanislav
10.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I run it but I also use X1s and prefer the X1 buttons.

It gives you enough control that you could DJ with just a DB4 on 4 decks and never touch your laptop.
What X1 mapping do you use or is it just the standard mapping.
Judi Sissel
09.01.2012
Your spot on sir... I've been believeing about it and I'm guessing with the depth of the FX on each channel, the ability, or ergonomics, of fader vs. rotary you could really make some funky and AWESOME sounds.

I am going to unsubscribe from this thread before I have to make another one....
Basil Forshee
09.01.2012
Woops, I let myself be carried away by my enthusiasm, hehe... But you mean the option to have a rotary mode? Read a lot of stories of people who want that option, since the Xone:92 is selling also a rotary mixer (92R), it's just popular. Or am I not getting you again?

It's in a future firmware update, but it's not mandatory. It's just an option.
Judi Sissel
09.01.2012
Originally Posted by JDFS
You mean the Isolator, standard EQ and Filter switch? Like, hell yeah! Isn't it just great, wonderful, well thought and innovating??? I'm so glad A&H thought about an option like that, it's just so great to have like 6 (!) filters overall, not just the shitty Pioneer type with left turn is low pass and right turn is high pass, no they come with resonance, dry/wet and low pass, high pass and (?) band pass! And if you don't like the filters? Well, then you have the Isolator (total kill) and the 'standard' EQ .

So, yes that's the advantage for having the switch. To change on-the-fly the way you EQ. I, as you can read, prefer Filter mode :P.
hahaha... No, not the "god" switch. I was referring to the Rotary Mode option (switch). If I were to blow more money on gear, it would be on the DB4 for that swtich (and the FX of course).
Basil Forshee
09.01.2012
You mean the Isolator, standard EQ and Filter switch? Like, hell yeah! Isn't it just great, wonderful, well thought and innovating??? I'm so glad A&H thought about an option like that, it's just so great to have like 6 (!) filters overall, not just the shitty Pioneer type with left turn is low pass and right turn is high pass, no they come with resonance, dry/wet and low pass, high pass and (?) band pass! And if you don't like the filters? Well, then you have the Isolator (total kill) and the 'standard' EQ .

So, yes that's the advantage for having the switch. To change on-the-fly the way you EQ. I, as you can read, prefer Filter mode :P.
Judi Sissel
09.01.2012
just wondering, besides preference and distance (to eq's), is there an advantage to having that switch?
Cliff Lohman
09.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
DB4.

I would never buy a DB2- no xone filters (not even one like the 42 had, wtf?) or loopers, no thank you. Plus short meters, no independently switchable EQs, and 2fx units in no way justifies the price saving for me and you are left with a mixer that is severely handicapped when you consider what the db4 offers.

I mean even the K2s aren't necessary with a db4 when you have an x1 or even mixarchitekts .tsi, you really don't need any of the knobs unless you want control of all traktor fx units but once you use db4 effects traktor's become obsolete.

really I could live with everything on the DB2 except no xone filters. If there was one like the 42 had I would say it is a good choice but none is a deal breaker for me.
I hope the db4 gets the roll effect.. I like the looper on db4 but I miss being able to layer a loop quickly on same channel. I cant find a great way to do it on db4 unless im just missing it

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