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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread
Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard
(former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account)


I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right?

I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Cliff Lohman
24.12.2011		Yep same on dig inputs

I was surprised that trim didnt help the meters in menu too
Romelia Stankard
23.12.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Mixarchitekt confirmed cdjs run a bit hot but he did mention that watching the master, ull actually see that it doesnt peak there.. Im not sure i understand why tho..
I wonder if they will fix this in a firmware update to be able to adjust the analog input trim through the menu so you still have proper use of the gain knob and meters through analog with CDJs.

That seems like a problem to me, does anyone know if this is a problem through digital inputs?
Cliff Lohman
23.12.2011
Originally Posted by freaK^
Yeah I'm running te 800mk2 thru analog and it's not that big of an issue it's just I always hear people say watch for the vu meters and in this case when the gain is at 0db it's hitting the pk! lights and even when its turned down all the way left, the difference is only so much and I noticed that there's also a led light by the gain trim labeled pk! that blinks at some point of a track but I have to figure out why yet.

When hooked up thru traktor the volume doesn't seem to peak as much and this is with traktors volume at 0db.
Mixarchitekt confirmed cdjs run a bit hot but he did mention that watching the master, ull actually see that it doesnt peak there.. Im not sure i understand why tho..
Billye Jankovic
22.12.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
Glad to hear it. I couldn't find the comments I was talking about in this thread; it might be on the 40 page monster thread on the NI help site. It's possibly a difference between the digital and analog inputs for CDJs? I don't know; I actually have a CDJ 1000 but it's Mk1 so the digital out is useless, and I haven't bothered to try it with the DB4 yet.
Yeah I'm running te 800mk2 thru analog and it's not that big of an issue it's just I always hear people say watch for the vu meters and in this case when the gain is at 0db it's hitting the pk! lights and even when its turned down all the way left, the difference is only so much and I noticed that there's also a led light by the gain trim labeled pk! that blinks at some point of a track but I have to figure out why yet.

When hooked up thru traktor the volume doesn't seem to peak as much and this is with traktors volume at 0db.
Danae Dumler
22.12.2011
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
There's no problem here with CDJs and the DB4, quite the opposite in fact.
Glad to hear it. I couldn't find the comments I was talking about in this thread; it might be on the 40 page monster thread on the NI help site. It's possibly a difference between the digital and analog inputs for CDJs? I don't know; I actually have a CDJ 1000 but it's Mk1 so the digital out is useless, and I haven't bothered to try it with the DB4 yet.
Amira Gotcher
22.12.2011		There's no problem here with CDJs and the DB4, quite the opposite in fact.
Danae Dumler
22.12.2011		Yeah I believe they're waiting on a firmware update to fix the CDJ issue; apparently they run so hot it's impossible to use them effectively? It might be buried in this thread, there was someone who dumped the DB4 in favor of the DJM 900 because of this issue. If it really is still an issue hopefully it will be fixed soon but I would email A+H support to find out details.
Romelia Stankard
23.12.2011
Originally Posted by freaK^
Its mainly when Im running CDJs, ill go mess with the master channel gain but i dont believe the individual channel voulme is affected by it since the vu meter still peaks pretty high.
Hmm I'm not home or I would check it out. I believe someone was talking about this early on in here or in the other db4 thread in the gear community .
Billye Jankovic
23.12.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
What are you using as inputs? Are you using traktor with the db4 soundcard?

If using CDJs you can go into the menu and mess with the master channel gain and probably fix it. Some people were saying CDJs run pretty hot but using vinyl or the DB4 soundcard has been perfect for me and I keep the gains at 12:00 and didn't have to adjust any mixer settings.

If you are using Traktor then just turn down the master volume in traktor until you get the right channel levels on the db4 you like- the master level controls the level of each deck in external mixer mode.
Its mainly when Im running CDJs, ill go mess with the master channel gain but i dont believe the individual channel voulme is affected by it since the vu meter still peaks pretty high.
Romelia Stankard
23.12.2011
Originally Posted by freaK^
Hey, so the db4 arrived last evening and one thing is that the channel vu meters would be pretty high unless i set the gain to atleast -5 and even then the voulme didnt drop too much. not sure if this is common of not.
What are you using as inputs? Are you using traktor with the db4 soundcard?

If using CDJs you can go into the menu and mess with the master channel gain and probably fix it. Some people were saying CDJs run pretty hot but using vinyl or the DB4 soundcard has been perfect for me and I keep the gains at 12:00 and didn't have to adjust any mixer settings.

If you are using Traktor then just turn down the master volume in traktor until you get the right channel levels on the db4 you like- the master level controls the level of each deck in external mixer mode.
Billye Jankovic
22.12.2011		Hey, so the db4 arrived last evening and one thing is that the channel vu meters would be pretty high unless i set the gain to atleast -5 and even then the voulme didnt drop too much. not sure if this is common of not.
Romelia Stankard
19.12.2011
Originally Posted by Hoodless
Xonetacular i cant seem to find the few pages where you were talking about scratch certification and installing your 'own' driver into it.
Did you ever manage it or do you know the page # so i can read up on it
EDIT: nvm didnt believe ti was as far on as page 29,
I was joking around about it but with further research there is a way to get it to work and it is far from an ideal solution I am satisfied with and karlos wouldn't be happy about talking about it here. I had it running with timecode on my old crappy PC laptop just to check it out but traktor 2 kills that thing so it was laggy.
Dione Haimes
19.12.2011		Xonetacular i cant seem to find the few pages where you were talking about scratch certification and installing your 'own' driver into it.
Did you ever manage it or do you know the page # so i can read up on it
EDIT: nvm didnt believe ti was as far on as page 29,
Romelia Stankard
19.12.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
:stupid:

(we need to steal that smiley from the DJF archives
Dorie Scelzo
19.12.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Buy a shitty preamp.
:stupid:

(we need to steal that smiley from the DJF archives
Kalyn Billodeau
19.12.2011		Any news on the new firmware? There were some rumours about that a while ago...
Kiyoko Wellisch
18.12.2011		Buy a shitty preamp.
Romelia Stankard
18.12.2011		I really wish this thing was certified, my Audio 8 is messed up so I can't even use timecode if I want to since I believe one of the phono preamps died.
Danae Dumler
18.12.2011		I got mine for 2100 from proaudiostar.
Philip Degener
18.12.2011		yes.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_war"]Price war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Resale price maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They have an agreement where they can't advertise below a certain price on a lot of products.

And yes, you can email, call, or use the 'ask for better price' button on their site and get a better price on just about everything on their site. They will also often list 'open box' items for cheaper and most of the open box stuff is really new in box and they just say that so they can list a better price.
Lol, a wiki on my question of why they cant advertise prices.. Gotta luv the web
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by JDFS
What do you mean, Xonetacular? Like give 'em a call and they say "Hey, you can get it for 2.200!"? How do you mean they can't advertise what they actually will sell them for? So their whole website doesn't make sense? Or is it just me being a stupid European...
Yes.. Call them and say 'interested in db4-whst is best price u can do'

I dont really know why they cant advertise low prices.. But they cant.. Anybody know logic of this? I guess to keep Playing field even for other shops that sell the same product?
Romelia Stankard
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by JDFS
What do you mean, Xonetacular? Like give 'em a call and they say "Hey, you can get it for 2.200!"? How do you mean they can't advertise what they actually will sell them for? So their whole website doesn't make sense? Or is it just me being a stupid European...
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resale_price_maintenance"]Resale price maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

They have an agreement where they can't advertise below a certain price on a lot of products.

And yes, you can email, call, or use the 'ask for better price' button on their site and get a better price on just about everything on their site. They will also often list 'open box' items for cheaper and most of the open box stuff is really new in box and they just say that so they can list a better price.
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011		2200 not too bad.. I believe they were doing 2100 a few months back..

In person cash they strike even better deals.. Glad they r in my neighborhood

The prices online are never their final prices..just call them or email them and ask. I find rule of thumb with them is theyll knock 25 to 30 percent off their advertised price. Sometimes even more.

I really havent seen anywhere else come close to their prices.. Anybody else know any other spots that are as cheap as proaudiostar? Sweetwater is another place ive found great deals but they arent as consistent as proaudiostar..

Shit,, proaudio were selling midifighters for less than djtt lol. 150 bucks
Basil Forshee
18.12.2011		What do you mean, Xonetacular? Like give 'em a call and they say "Hey, you can get it for 2.200!"? How do you mean they can't advertise what they actually will sell them for? So their whole website doesn't make sense? Or is it just me being a stupid European...
Romelia Stankard
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by JDFS
Wait a minute... 2200?! When I go to the site, it says 2.899?
They can't advertise what they actually will sell them for.
Basil Forshee
19.12.2011		Wait a minute... 2200?! When I go to the site, it says 2.899?
Billye Jankovic
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
How much they selling em for now? I heard they went up in price a bit at proaudio..
They charged me 2200 shipped on a new unit.
Basil Forshee
18.12.2011		Well, for DJ gear I find the US' prices very high... Wait, except Allen & Heath ones. Now I see the DJM-900 for 'only' $ 1.699, that's like
Kiyoko Wellisch
18.12.2011		Wait, what? Seriously? As an Englishman I spend all my time drooling over the super low US prices
Basil Forshee
18.12.2011		G*ddamnit, is everything so expensive in the USA? I almost got a heart attack... I can get it here in The Netherlands for
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by freaK^
Just sold my S4 and ordered mine from pro audio star, didn't know they were much cheaper than msrp.
How much they selling em for now? I heard they went up in price a bit at proaudio..
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jay Melis
We all got a mail from NI asking for our opinions about their stuff. Can't we get a lot of people to complain on that card

Start a petition and getting some big dj names behind it.

I would love to get this cable clutter of my desk!
Lol, this is the one thing i mentioned as many times as possible in that survey
Billye Jankovic
18.12.2011		Just sold my S4 and ordered mine from pro audio star, didn't know they were much cheaper than msrp.
Laraine Arceo
16.12.2011		lol I just read the first and last page, so you bought it? That's the spirit!
nayit ruiz jaramillo
16.12.2011
Originally Posted by Hoodless
This isnt 100% true, when i bought TSP2 i had an audio 8, which then got sold for a DJM 900, all i had to do was install the DJM900 driver to my mac, nothing within traktor,
And traktor recognised it as a soundcard straight away, no setup required

If he could 'create?' some driver to make traktor believe the DB4 is a soundcard then this would work. No idea of the ins and outs here just adding my input.
It is 100% correct. What i was referring to was running the Setup Wizard and selecting the mixer. If you run the Wizard you have to select a mixer.

You dont 'have' to run the Setup Wizard though because Traktor detects the mixers soundcard automatically if it is Certified as in your case.

When you install Traktor you install the software to enable it to detect certified mixers. Traktor installs this regardless. Traktor Pro (non Scratch versions) even install the DVS plugin it just isnt activated.

I simply dont see how hes gonna trick Traktor into believeing that the soundcard in the DB4 is one that Traktor recognises and allows the DVS plugin to work.

The only circumstance that this has worked is with the Denon 600 because Traktor can see it as a Denon 1600.
Vada Branyon
16.12.2011		A rightly directed petition would put some stress on it. I'm not talking about some stupid in 1 minutes made petition like most are on websites. That article is about the latter. I don't see numbers on that page to back up the claims they make. I might be looking over them though.

That thread however does not lure in the big names that we need to get the whole thing rolling. I don't see digweed/sasha/dubfire/... taking the time to post there and those are the kind of people we need. Those people all have twitter accounts and some of them are active on certain community s. I believe you can get them to go with the idea. No offense to john does ( like myself).
Romelia Stankard
16.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jay Melis
We all got a mail from NI asking for our opinions about their stuff. Can't we get a lot of people to complain on that card

Start a petition and getting some big dj names behind it.

I would love to get this cable clutter of my desk!
Unfortunately online petitions never accomplish anything

Continue to bombard them with support tickets/emails and there is this thread: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=154187
Vada Branyon
16.12.2011		We all got a mail from NI asking for our opinions about their stuff. Can't we get a lot of people to complain on that card

Start a petition and getting some big dj names behind it.

I would love to get this cable clutter of my desk!
Dione Haimes
13.12.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
When you go thru the setup wizard you 'have' to select one the the Certified mixers in the list.
This isnt 100% true, when i bought TSP2 i had an audio 8, which then got sold for a DJM 900, all i had to do was install the DJM900 driver to my mac, nothing within traktor,
And traktor recognised it as a soundcard straight away, no setup required

If he could 'create?' some driver to make traktor believe the DB4 is a soundcard then this would work. No idea of the ins and outs here just adding my input.

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