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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard (former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account) I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right? I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Romelia Stankard 09.01.2012	For people who missed the rotary fader idea way back in this thread that now looks like it will be a reality
Lynetta Stanislav 09.01.2012	just need to get the s4 and midi fighter sold now.
Danae Dumler 09.01.2012	Originally Posted by neilmcm Do you have the Db4 as well indeed! (assuming you're asking me).
Lynetta Stanislav 09.01.2012	Do you have the Db4 as well
Danae Dumler 09.01.2012	Originally Posted by neilmcm Do you run mixarchitekts .tsi on your Db4 how much control over Traktor does it give Pretty substantial control; it's a really well thought out tsi. I have a half dozen midi controllers but with the controls in this tsi they're all mostly redundant. Though I still prefer doing song selection on the X1 controls and of course the VCI-100 when I want to use me some jog wheels.
Branden Wentler 09.01.2012	Dew eet! k2s to my understanding won't be out for a while anyway. I would use a keyboard over a DB2 and x controller than pry the DB4 from my hands.
Lynetta Stanislav 09.01.2012	Cool the more I am hearing about the db4 the more I am swaying that way and if you can use the tsi thats better and I can add a x1 or k2 later.
Romelia Stankard 09.01.2012	Originally Posted by neilmcm Do you run mixarchitekts .tsi on your Db4 how much control over Traktor does it give I run it but I also use X1s and prefer the X1 buttons. It gives you enough control that you could DJ with just a DB4 on 4 decks and never touch your laptop.
Lynetta Stanislav 09.01.2012	Do you run mixarchitekts .tsi on your Db4 how much control over Traktor does it give
Romelia Stankard 09.01.2012	Originally Posted by neilmcm I am trying decide to wait on Db2 and 2 K2s or just buy the Db4 and get the K2s later and use my ipad with lemur in the mean time . DB4. I would never buy a DB2- no xone filters (not even one like the 42 had, wtf?) or loopers, no thank you. Plus short meters, no independently switchable EQs, and 2fx units in no way justifies the price saving for me and you are left with a mixer that is severely handicapped when you consider what the db4 offers. I mean even the K2s aren't necessary with a db4 when you have an x1 or even mixarchitekts .tsi, you really don't need any of the knobs unless you want control of all traktor fx units but once you use db4 effects traktor's become obsolete. really I could live with everything on the DB2 except no xone filters. If there was one like the 42 had I would say it is a good choice but none is a deal breaker for me.
Lynetta Stanislav 09.01.2012	I am trying decide to wait on Db2 and 2 K2s or just buy the Db4 and get the K2s later and use my ipad with lemur in the mean time .
Romelia Stankard 09.01.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Rotary update: A&H responded and said they forwarded the idea to the dev team so who knows, it would be cool. If it sounds like something you're interested in you should send a ticket to a&h support as well so they see there is more interest. 2 months later ROTARY IS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!! photos mixarchitekt posted of a beta firmware he is running "here are some screen shots of the new beta firmware i'm running on the DB4. lots of surprises and even more to come..."
Branden Wentler 31.12.2011	Originally Posted by pteteh791 this is a common problem amongst many men. In my country it's called "prylb
Philip Degener 30.12.2011	my new year's resolution... buy a DB4
Romelia Stankard 29.12.2011	Originally Posted by Rev1911 What really gets me hot n ready is the beat sampling capabilities and effects routing. I'm not a heavy effects user, but when I had a S4, I LOVED sampling beats from diff tracks and layering them during mixes/transitions. I'm on CDJ2000s now and being able to sample beats again would be fantastic. Plus, the vids I've seen demo-ing the effects and the possible combinations are ridiculous. The thing that attracted me about the 900 was the quantized loops/effects via the Pro DJ Link between the mixer and players (I use this at home instead of consistently updating a jump drive). I was at guitar center in NY today and I was playing around on the DJM-2000 there and trying out the pioneer effects. I was literally laughing out loud to myself and shaking my head at just how bad and cheesy the pioneer effects all sound compared to the DB4. I was cringing at some of them and that mixer is the same price as a DB4 and the DB4 has 4 dedicated fx units, 4 loopers, and 2 filter banks. I believe flanger is a pretty cheesy and bad sounding effect and even the flangers on the DB4 sound pretty good.
Dorie Scelzo 29.12.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Yep, the bpm detection is so spot on you dont need it. I do all beat synced delays and i use the loopers on the db4 instead of traktor usually and it cuts perfect loops. Yeah
Shaniqua Tisa 28.12.2011	Beautiful. Appreciate the info, man. I'm sold.
Romelia Stankard 28.12.2011	Yep, the bpm detection is so spot on you dont need it. I do all beat synced delays and i use the loopers on the db4 instead of traktor usually and it cuts perfect loops.
Shaniqua Tisa 28.12.2011	Originally Posted by Xonetacular That is the natural progression of things. i never saw one in person and decided to buy one, the sound and fx blow the 900 away. Its also pretty cool having incredible bpm detection, you never have to tap tempo, at least i havnt yet. What really gets me hot n ready is the beat sampling capabilities and effects routing. I'm not a heavy effects user, but when I had a S4, I LOVED sampling beats from diff tracks and layering them during mixes/transitions. I'm on CDJ2000s now and being able to sample beats again would be fantastic. Plus, the vids I've seen demo-ing the effects and the possible combinations are ridiculous. The thing that attracted me about the 900 was the quantized loops/effects via the Pro DJ Link between the mixer and players (I use this at home instead of consistently updating a jump drive). Can your DB4 duplicate that quantized-ability because the BPM detection is so spot on? The vids I've seen make it seem so. Obviously the DB4 doesn't read Rekordbox-quantized tracks like the 900nexus, but that BPM detection accuracy and the examples I've seen on YouTube make it seem like you could replicate the end result (synced beat samples) simply because the auto-BPM detection is tits. Make sense?
Romelia Stankard 28.12.2011	Originally Posted by Rev1911 Was going to sell my DJM-800 and be happy upgrading to a 900Nexus... Now after reading your stupid thread I'm drooling over DB4 youtube vids. Thanks for that. That is the natural progression of things. i never saw one in person and decided to buy one, the sound and fx blow the 900 away. Its also pretty cool having incredible bpm detection, you never have to tap tempo, at least i havnt yet.
Shaniqua Tisa 28.12.2011	Was going to sell my DJM-800 and be happy upgrading to a 900Nexus... Now after reading your stupid thread I'm drooling over DB4 youtube vids. Thanks for that.
Kalyn Billodeau 28.12.2011	Working fine on my 2011 13" Macbook Air!
Basil Forshee 26.12.2011	I don't believe that there are any issues, because A&H released drivers for 10.7 (Mac OS X Lion) on their website!
Romelia Stankard 25.12.2011	Anyone running a DB4 with Lion? Any issues with the soundcard driver or anything before I upgrade?
Lisa Lochotzki 25.12.2011	Check you manual, all output do not have the same gain structure Out +4DBu Mono, Aux & booth : -2DBu It's 6DB quieter... which is half the signal and finally Record Out: -10DBv Again it's all standard level. I would measure it for curiosity sake with and without load maybe there's something weird inside... or you mismatch the out/in impedance between your gear somewhere.
Dorie Scelzo 25.12.2011	Weird. When I've run my 62 into basically anything it appears that the output meter is running hot compared to the input meter on basically anything.
Lisa Lochotzki 25.12.2011	On the 92, Out 1, Out 2 and Booth do not have the same output gain. But at 0DB on the meter and gain set to max on Out 1, it give a bit above the standard +4DBu, which is good enough to clip the input of most Eq/processor. And you still have plenty headroom left. It doesn't need to be louder than this. I really believe it's a deliberate decision. In fact I prefer this point of view VS another mixer who can give MORE juice AND clip any Eq, Processor, Limiter input preamp THEN give distortion BEFORE the amp. Well my 2 cents.
Dorie Scelzo 25.12.2011	Interesting. I might have gotten the specs wrong, but the output level is actually what I was talking about. It outputs a really low level compared to everything else I've tried. It's possible that I assumed it was dBV and then promptly forgot to look it up.
Lisa Lochotzki 25.12.2011	Let's check the input meter on a XONE:92. Conditions: Input gain set to maximum = 10DBu as per their specifications Injecting 1KHz tone @-10DBu So we can expect to see a 0DB on the input meter huh? And indeed spot on Pity the output meter are pre-fader on the 92 and both output don't have the same gain structure (as per the manual) but I would say they're spot on as well.
Lisa Lochotzki 25.12.2011	Probably they never felt the need to write which reference they're using DBv or DBu. High likely it's DBu, it's the standard... and 0DBu is 0.775 Volt NOT 1V.
Dorie Scelzo 25.12.2011	No, in that their meters are labeled wrong. 0dB on the xone:22, 34, 42, 62, and 92 is not actually 1 Volt as it should be. They intentionally mis-labeled their meters to try and trick DJs into mixing properly. They really don't have much headroom
Romelia Stankard 25.12.2011	Originally Posted by mostapha Uhh
Romelia Stankard 25.12.2011	Originally Posted by JDFS I had a little play yesterday, just before the shop closed regarding Christmas Eve . Damn, I'm truly in love... What a sound! Had a little play with the FX, only the Reverb I'm not content with, because the tail's not long enough, like the one in Traktor. Someone knows how to fix this, or use a different setting? This one is gonna be mine! Had it reserved and now I only need to gather the money, but that's done within 2 months. It's just perfect!!! How much did you play with the reverbs? There are like 20 of them and if you play with all the settings Im sure they will blow you away. The reverbs and delays are truly incredible sounding and blow traktor and every other DJ effect I've heard away. Better than any VST I've heard too.
Dorie Scelzo 25.12.2011	Uhh
Cliff Lohman 26.12.2011	Originally Posted by mostapha Wait, so what happens? Analog line inputs run hot even with the gains way down
Cliff Lohman 26.12.2011	Originally Posted by mostapha Wait, so what happens? Analog line inputs run hot even with the gains way down
France Evoniuk 25.12.2011	My god I wish I could afford a mixer, let alone this beast.
Basil Forshee 25.12.2011	I had a little play yesterday, just before the shop closed regarding Christmas Eve . Damn, I'm truly in love... What a sound! Had a little play with the FX, only the Reverb I'm not content with, because the tail's not long enough, like the one in Traktor. Someone knows how to fix this, or use a different setting? This one is gonna be mine! Had it reserved and now I only need to gather the money, but that's done within 2 months. It's just perfect!!!
Dorie Scelzo 25.12.2011	Wait, so what happens? Analog line inputs run hot even with the gains way down
Romelia Stankard 24.12.2011	Yeah I hope they are working on that in a firmware update, hopefully before I get CDJs.

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