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Xone: DB4- the official unofficial thread Posted on: 18.10.2011 by Romelia Stankard (former thread title Xone: DB4- convince me not to sell off my possessions and drain my bank account) I mean it's just a mixer, nothing I should sell my S4 and some other expensive possessions for and drain my bank account completely for... right? I am having a hard time with this decision. I know it won't make me a better DJ, yet it gives me the urge to make irrational spending decisions. Please talk me out of it.
Danae Dumler 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by Timmyboy If I wanted to change my traktor eq mapping as described earlier in this thread to this hpf/res/lpf setup how would you use it when mixing? I guess i understand about cutting the lows or the highs with the respective filters but how would you use the resonance? I would have thought that you would normally have the resonance turned down pretty low. Generally I keep it pretty low but I adjust it to fine tune the bass frequencies while adjusting the filters. Do the mapping and play around with it; it takes some getting used to but it does feel like your control over the sound is a lot more detailed.
Felipe Rasper 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by m00n I gave in last evening and ordered a DB4... I don't know if im excited or still in shock that i'm making car payments on a mixer.... It came down to the DB2 vs DB4, and i just felt since i was dropping over $1500 already might as well get the bad boy that will hopefully keep me happy for years to come.. Anxiousss! Originally Posted by Xonetacular Awesome dude good choice that's what I would do too And so: http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...793#post435793 I became a DB4 member too
Jonathan Lokey 22.02.2012	If I wanted to change my traktor eq mapping as described earlier in this thread to this hpf/res/lpf setup how would you use it when mixing? I guess i understand about cutting the lows or the highs with the respective filters but how would you use the resonance? I would have thought that you would normally have the resonance turned down pretty low.
Judi Sissel 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by D@VE! @DarioJ : You can adjust it per channel on the DB4, on the DB2 it's global. Thanks for your response D@VE.
Felipe Rasper 21.02.2012	@DarioJ : You can adjust it per channel on the DB4, on the DB2 it's global.
Romelia Stankard 21.02.2012	that was just a spam bot
Dorie Scelzo 21.02.2012	Midifighters and the DB4 are on completely different levels.
Judi Sissel 20.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Let us know how it went; share the mapping if you're successful in case other X1600 owners are interested! It actually went well... too well . I prefer to eq this way- before I touched a mixer I thought this was the way eq'ing worked. Its so clean. Now I don't know/want to go back to practicing traditional eq'ing, haha(as it is the standard). I've read the last couple pages, but I want to make 100% sure that the DB series are the only mixer who offer this type of filter eq'ing? Is eq selection possible per channel or is it global? I will post the mapping hopefully next weekend, its fairly simple, just using the midi switch on each channel w/ the efx send and cue buttons doing the assignments of bank 3 or 4. Might actually work this into a 2-X1 makeshift mobile mixer. @xonetacular: IIRC you said you had your X1's mapped to C-A-B-D. Do you mind sharing that mapping? I don't see it as a default option in traktor (unless I am blind).
Leeanna Ayla 20.02.2012	Go away spam bot Originally Posted by oajfqadjm12 #4 10-18-2011, 06:21 PM photojojo DJTT Moderator Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sherman, TX Posts: 12,085 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stop kidding yourself. Sell it all and buy the DB4 and maybe a couple cases of Ramen noodles. __________________
Alverta Papapietro 19.02.2012	I have the DB4 but he goes back to the dealer: ( A loose part in the mixer I've heard directly after unpacking. I hope the quality is better than the Xone DX.
Dorie Scelzo 19.02.2012	Yeah
Danae Dumler 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha Lol. Yeah. I definitely preferred my filters to EQs, but I quickly just didn't care. I guess I'd just rather have the hi mid eq off the 62/92 than anything else I've seen or played with. That's definitely something that would be nice on these DB mixers. If they would at the least change the firmware to allow you to set the frequencies yourself you could have something like this by setting different crossover freqs (tho of course you'd have to give up something since there aren't 4 knobs). Sometimes I set Traktor to 4-band EQ and map a knob for high mid so I can adjust that in software and still make other adjustments on the mixer but at that point things just get too fiddly.
Danae Dumler 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by DarioJ That will work great on my X1600! Now that I am concentrating more on actual mixing/eq'ing I can't even stand to listen to the ladder filter- sounds way to harsh. Thanks Proben, you just made my Friday evening (sad I know) lol. Let us know how it went; share the mapping if you're successful in case other X1600 owners are interested!
Dorie Scelzo 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Trust me, being able to adjust the resonance on the fly makes a BIG difference. As does being able to adjust both HP and LP on two different tracks at the same time. You just have to try it to see what it feels like -- maybe it's just not for you. And OK, maybe "revolutionary" is an exaggeration, but you are like the king of exaggeration, so I don't feel too bad about that Lol. Yeah. I definitely preferred my filters to EQs, but I quickly just didn't care. I guess I'd just rather have the hi mid eq off the 62/92 than anything else I've seen or played with.
Romelia Stankard 18.02.2012	Man this thread has really taken off from several months ago I love it. 27 pages for me and I'm not using the community default posts per page so it must be bigger for a lot of people. Originally Posted by m00n I gave in last evening and ordered a DB4... I don't know if im excited or still in shock that i'm making car payments on a mixer.... It came down to the DB2 vs DB4, and i just felt since i was dropping over $1500 already might as well get the bad boy that will hopefully keep me happy for years to come.. Anxiousss! Awesome dude good choice that's what I would do too
Loreta Altema 18.02.2012	I gave in last evening and ordered a DB4... I don't know if im excited or still in shock that i'm making car payments on a mixer.... It came down to the DB2 vs DB4, and i just felt since i was dropping over $1500 already might as well get the bad boy that will hopefully keep me happy for years to come.. Anxiousss!
Felipe Rasper 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben and yeah to confirm what others said in response to mostapha, I don't know another mixer outside of the DBs that allow filter mixing in this manner. It's not just having filters; it's being able to actually mix with the filters -- adjusting HP and LP and RES when you need to, on each channel, in the mix. Rather than sweeping one direction or another with whatever resonance value you set earlier. You have to try it for a while to get your head around it but it's actually really focused in terms of sound. And I can't explain why because I'm not a sound engineer but for me it's very different (and much "tighter") from adjusting bass/mid/treb with the knobs. Indeed ! It just feels so natural to me. Originally Posted by djproben Trust me, being able to adjust the resonance on the fly makes a BIG difference. As does being able to adjust both HP and LP on two different tracks at the same time. You just have to try it to see what it feels like -- maybe it's just not for you. And OK, maybe "revolutionary" is an exaggeration, but you are like the king of exaggeration, so I don't feel too bad about that Yep, It's different; i'm used to mix with xone's. But this is
Danae Dumler 18.02.2012	Trust me, being able to adjust the resonance on the fly makes a BIG difference. As does being able to adjust both HP and LP on two different tracks at the same time. You just have to try it to see what it feels like -- maybe it's just not for you. And OK, maybe "revolutionary" is an exaggeration, but you are like the king of exaggeration, so I don't feel too bad about that
Dorie Scelzo 18.02.2012	The xone 92 has filters that you can kinda use like that, and the pmc cx has them per channel, though without resonance. And I had my vcm600 mappd to be able to do it with ableton a while ago, before the db4, so I guess I'm just not that impressed. But I also don't use EQs much at all anymore and generally have grown to hate the sound of filters in DJ sets. I'm not knocking it. I just don't believe it's revolutionary in any way. It's a very slight improvement on something I believe they already drove into the ground. But, again, I basically just use my EQs because they sound phasey...which kinda sounds cool on vocals. I don't use them to mix, and I doubt that would change with a db4. I could be wrong, though.
Danae Dumler 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by Eizhauz Can I ask what you previous mixer was? As Traktor can allow for this thru mapping, I assume any controller could be mapped to do the same in TP2? Like the XoneX? It was an Ecler Evo 5 (yeah I'm spoiled)... but you can do it with any midi mixer, from the DX to the DDM4000 if you want. -- and yeah to confirm what others said in response to mostapha, I don't know another mixer outside of the DBs that allow filter mixing in this manner. It's not just having filters; it's being able to actually mix with the filters -- adjusting HP and LP and RES when you need to, on each channel, in the mix. Rather than sweeping one direction or another with whatever resonance value you set earlier. You have to try it for a while to get your head around it but it's actually really focused in terms of sound. And I can't explain why because I'm not a sound engineer but for me it's very different (and much "tighter") from adjusting bass/mid/treb with the knobs.
Felipe Rasper 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Yeah the filter mixing mode is revolutionary; it takes a bit to get your head around how it works but it really gives you a lot more control over the sound. I pretty much mix exclusively in that mode now and get a bit annoyed when I have to use a regular mixer. Indeed, this way of mixing feels really natural to me. And the sound is so smooth ! On my previous Xone mixers i used the filters a lot; but with this way with the hi and low together; it's just so good. Originally Posted by mostapha Revolutionary? How many mixers have had filters like that before? Unless I'm missing something, the number is "a lot." What am I missing about it? yeah, it's not the normal filters but the one you use wen switched the EQ mode to filter mode (both the DB2 as the DB4).
Romelia Stankard 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint Per channel dual HP and LP filters with resonance control? I've never seen that in a DJ mixer before. Yep, only the db2 and db4
Tatum Ansaldo 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha Revolutionary? How many mixers have had filters like that before? Unless I'm missing something, the number is "a lot." What am I missing about it? Per channel dual HP and LP filters with resonance control? I've never seen that in a DJ mixer before.
Romelia Stankard 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha How big are your hands? I've never even seen a mixer that was too cramped for me to adjust 2 adjacent EQ knobs at the same time. Certainly not on any I've owned. Yeah you can do it but it's awkward and you can't do it comfortably-I don't see any reason to dislike the staggered layout other than it looks different than a typical dj mixer- and I believe it makes the DB4 look pretty cool. Using the filter mode EQ is a two handed job, to orient them vertically you would need a full inch of clearance between each knob to avoid peoples fingers from getting caught or touching and allow full control. Also try a pmc-06, you can't adjust one knob at a time properly.
Judi Sissel 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben If you don't have the DB-x and you want to play around with this mode, it's easy enough to map controls in traktor to emulate it. Use the F-92 effect and map three knobs to LP, RES, and HP. I did this on my previous mixer (which was midi-mappable) before I got the DB4 and it works great, though without the pretty lights. That will work great on my X1600! Now that I am concentrating more on actual mixing/eq'ing I can't even stand to listen to the ladder filter- sounds way to harsh. Thanks Proben, you just made my Friday evening (sad I know) lol.
Dorie Scelzo 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular If the EQs were laid out normally then you couldn't tweak the resonance and the frequency at the same time with two hands How big are your hands? I've never even seen a mixer that was too cramped for me to adjust 2 adjacent EQ knobs at the same time. I mean
Juliette Vensel 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Yeah the filter mixing mode is revolutionary; it takes a bit to get your head around how it works but it really gives you a lot more control over the sound. I pretty much mix exclusively in that mode now and get a bit annoyed when I have to use a regular mixer. If you don't have the DB-x and you want to play around with this mode, it's easy enough to map controls in traktor to emulate it. Use the F-92 effect and map three knobs to LP, RES, and HP. I did this on my previous mixer (which was midi-mappable) before I got the DB4 and it works great, though without the pretty lights. Can I ask what you previous mixer was? As Traktor can allow for this thru mapping, I assume any controller could be mapped to do the same in TP2? Like the XoneX?
Danae Dumler 17.02.2012	Yeah the filter mixing mode is revolutionary; it takes a bit to get your head around how it works but it really gives you a lot more control over the sound. I pretty much mix exclusively in that mode now and get a bit annoyed when I have to use a regular mixer. If you don't have the DB-x and you want to play around with this mode, it's easy enough to map controls in traktor to emulate it. Use the F-92 effect and map three knobs to LP, RES, and HP. I did this on my previous mixer (which was midi-mappable) before I got the DB4 and it works great, though without the pretty lights.
Juliette Vensel 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint The tri modal EQs in filter mode. Really is a viable alternative to normal EQing. I can see where at least on the DB2 this was the main thought behind the trimodal setup. Clever. Classic A&H.
Tatum Ansaldo 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by Eizhauz Are you both talking about the Filters on tri-modal EQ's per channel??? The tri modal EQs in filter mode. Really is a viable alternative to normal EQing.
Juliette Vensel 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by D@VE! I am indeed (on the db4 and db2). Can't wait to hear more about the DB2 from you. I keep checking the thread. I may PM you to ask more questions about it. I just picked up a DX simply for portability, but am still in the market of replacing my mixer. This is most affordable, advanced, midi mappable mixer I have set my sites on.
Felipe Rasper 18.02.2012	I am indeed (on the db4 and db2).
Juliette Vensel 18.02.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint I played for a few hours last evening using just the filter mode EQ and I believe it's truly excellent. Originally Posted by D@VE! Yes, i'm Also blown away by the filter mode; could just become my definitive option / option of choice ! Are you both talking about the Filters on tri-modal EQ's per channel???
Felipe Rasper 17.02.2012	Yes, i'm Also blown away by the filter mode; could just become my definitive option / option of choice !
Tatum Ansaldo 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I was turned off from the EQ layout initially but it works really well and is necessary for the design of this mixer with the EQ filter modes. If the EQs were laid out normally then you couldn't tweak the resonance and the frequency at the same time with two hands- and while I haven't really delved into them the EQ filters are pretty powerful and I believe more so than the 4 band eq. I played for a few hours last evening using just the filter mode EQ and I believe it's truly excellent.
Romelia Stankard 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha EQs that are laid out right and a legit rotary version? I was turned off from the EQ layout initially but it works really well and is necessary for the design of this mixer with the EQ filter modes. If the EQs were laid out normally then you couldn't tweak the resonance and the frequency at the same time with two hands- and while I haven't really delved into them the EQ filters are pretty powerful and I believe more so than the 4 band eq.
Dorie Scelzo 17.02.2012	Originally Posted by THE DEEP SEA DJ Can this mixer get any better EQs that are laid out right and a legit rotary version?
Yevette Matatall 16.02.2012	Can this mixer get any better, one would believe not, but with xones awsome team behind it and firmware updates.... im blown away buy the send mode in the effects.... I literally was jumping around my room in a state of " this mixer is just f^5kn fantastic..... WOW..... I really dont miss the kill send mode, because I find I can achieve the same effect in send mode by just pausing the track.... I always used kill send to finish up a track, I never wound it out and brang it back.... im just in love with send mode....
Lynetta Stanislav 16.02.2012	Thats a steal , an amazing piece of kit got mine 2/3 weeks ago and love it.
Tatum Ansaldo 15.02.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 What? When? You kept that quiet!! Brand new? Complicated, but basically someone bought one from digital village (dv247.co.uk) and it was DOA so they sent it back. DV returned it to A&H who replaced it with a brand new unit, but the customer didn't want it any more so DV was left with a brand new DB4 in old packaging that they couldn't sell as new so I got it for

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