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Posted on: 30.09.2011 by Romelia Stankard
Wow this looks promissing

http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Produc...neK2&SubCatId=



So if you link two together with the ethernet cable through USB, will it 'merge' the soundcard so you have a 4 channel soundcard?

If it does then you could bring two to a gig, hook them together with ethernet and not need another audio interface and have a 4 channel soundcard. It kind of sucks they put one 1/8" on the front instead of having both outputs in the back. It makes it a little awkward if you wanted to run both outputs to separate channels on the mixer, now you have to run a cable to the front. Also remember you have the option to run each channel in traktor mono so you could use one of them as a 4 channel soundcard with a few adapters (like you would with an audio 2 or 4). Plus a lot of systems are mono anyway.

I really like the idea of having one or two of these with a DB2 or DB4 for a home setup then just take them to your gig with a laptop and you have an audio interface to use already in your controller with the house mixer.

I love the X1s but I might have to give them up for these, i would love to get my hands on one.
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
I got a reply-



Bitch spelt my name wrong... :P
trust u to mention that and not on the fact that they might actually have the center clicks that u want

good to know they might have - i'd prefer that too.
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.10.2011		I got a reply-

Hello Luis,

Thanks for your feedback.

We are definitely considering having centre click pots in the final design.

Nicola
Bitch spelt my name wrong... :P
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Onimode
I've been meaning to try out your midimasher stuffs. >.>
cool the next release will have a multi page launchpad config in actually... im using the "session", "user1", "user2", "mixer" buttons to switch between 4 pages (full led refresh on page switch) and on page one the bottom 3 rows is split into 2 independant "twitch" style multi banks - for slicer, beatmasher etc...

ive just wacked some virtual faders on the "mixer" page now with some kills - for mixer control without an extra mixer.

quite fun to experiment with on the launchpad anyway...
Kayce Mesia
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by zestoi
a bit OT but this is the list of names+velocities that i send out to change colors on my lp:

Code:
lp_black = 0
lp_lo_red = 1
lp_mi_red = 2
lp_hi_red = 3
lp_lo_green = 16
lp_mi_green = 32
lp_hi_green = 48
lp_lo_amber = 17
lp_mi_amber = 34
lp_hi_amber = 51
lp_hi_orange = 35
lp_lo_orange = 18
lp_hi_yellow = 50
lp_lo_yellow = 33
I've been meaning to try out your midimasher stuffs. >.>
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Onimode
I guess yellow and amber be the same thing. :<
pretty much all just shades of an orange/yellow yep... a bit OT but this is the list of names+velocities that i send out to change colors on my lp:

Code:
lp_black = 0
lp_lo_red = 1
lp_mi_red = 2
lp_hi_red = 3
lp_lo_green = 16
lp_mi_green = 32
lp_hi_green = 48
lp_lo_amber = 17
lp_mi_amber = 34
lp_hi_amber = 51
lp_hi_orange = 35
lp_lo_orange = 18
lp_hi_yellow = 50
lp_lo_yellow = 33
Kayce Mesia
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by zestoi
yes it does.
I guess yellow and amber be the same thing. :<
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Onimode
Aye, cap'n. It does.

But red+green doesn't equal amber/orange.
yes it does.



I thought the LEDs actually produced three different colors, like the APC40 and Launchpad.
don't know about the apc40 but the launchpad has two led's per pad - and each led can have 3 different intensities. so you get various yellow/amber/orange's by mixing the red and green at different levels.
Kayce Mesia
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
The buttons are not like the X1 really. They are flatter and much more flush to the unit. They arent raised like the X1 so i guess a comparison to the VCI 100 is more correct but they are more responsive and not as hard as the VCI 100, much more like the VCI 400... Does that make sense?
Aye, cap'n. It does.


Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
All i know is that the buttons are whats called "Tri-Colour" which means they have 2 colours but create a third when mixed.
But red+green doesn't equal amber/orange. I thought the LEDs actually produced three different colors, like the APC40 and Launchpad.
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by ohmyjosh
Very similar to what I'm believeing, although going to hopefully work something out for four deck control using the layers.

Quick question, using this and an audio2dj would give me 4 stereo outputs to run into a mixer right?
yep - as the K2 has 2 stereo outs but one is on a small headphone socket - will be interesting to see if it's usable into a mixer.

i believe the video said you'd need to use asio drivers on a pc to see the 2 stereo outs - else the headphone one gets routed internally and the main stereo out is seen by windows.
Jesusita Capano
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Zster
The pads at the bottom should be hotcues.
The kill switches to choose which effect (to favorites and two "scroll")
the pods for effects,
Two faders for wet/dry effects
Two faders for superknobs
the endless encoders at the top as loop knobs like the X1 (assuming i can push those as well)
Very similar to what I'm believeing, although going to hopefully work something out for four deck control using the layers.

Quick question, using this and an audio2dj would give me 4 stereo outputs to run into a mixer right?
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
All i know is that the buttons are whats called "Tri-Colour" which means they have 2 colours but create a third when mixed.
yep - same way as the launchpad or dicers work. tho the launchpad also allow u different brightness for each led to give u a whole stack of colors. most look the same tho

just doesn't sound like the way they've implemented the midi feedback is exactly awesome - tho could be sensible for most people as it seems to tie the led color into the "layer" its in. not how i'd be using it... i like to use different colors on my launchpad to show me the layout of controls - tho i guess not such a biggie here as it's only the 4x4 pad area that would need that...
nayit ruiz jaramillo
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
Its not bad news if its a pre production model.
They were all pre-prod so i would so i would imagine that nothing is set in stone yet.

Originally Posted by Onimode
Good to know that the buttons are similar to the X1. I was wondering if they were going to be more tactile, like the ones on the VCI-400.
The buttons are not like the X1 really. They are flatter and much more flush to the unit. They arent raised like the X1 so i guess a comparison to the VCI 100 is more correct but they are more responsive and not as hard as the VCI 100, much more like the VCI 400... Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by zestoi

my only query is the way led feedback is controlled. instead of sending different velocities to control colors (green, red, amber) you send different note, well different octaves anyway. due to them sending out diff midi on each layer i guess - and so each color is meant to correspond to one of the 3 layers.

kind of sucks tho... if i want to make "button X turn green" then i have to find the button X message - and then choose the right octave for the color.
All i know is that the buttons are whats called "Tri-Colour" which means they have 2 colours but create a third when mixed.
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Onimode
Well, there's a new article and video about the K2 on the front page (I hope you all saw that while on the way here).

16 bit/48KHz soundcard. :U
Good to know that the buttons are similar to the X1. I was wondering if they were going to be more tactile, like the ones on the VCI-400.
my "way here" is always via community notification emails - so hardly ever check the djtt homepage so cheers for info about the blog.

my only query is the way led feedback is controlled. instead of sending different velocities to control colors (green, red, amber) you send different note, well different octaves anyway. due to them sending out diff midi on each layer i guess - and so each color is meant to correspond to one of the 3 layers.

kind of sucks tho... if i want to make "button X turn green" then i have to find the button X message - and then choose the right octave for the color.
Joya Pomerinke
05.10.2011		So are everybody going to A&H's homepage and send a mail requesting that the K2 will have center click on the pots?

On some Pots the "click" is removeable. A&H should choose that kind of potmeters, giving the end-user his own choice, even though it voids warranty.

I am REALLY on this K2. As for now i have a X1 and using DVS but i'm believeing about using Sync more and more.
I would love to just bring my laptop, headphones and a K2 to Club-jobs where DJM mixers are standard around here.

The pads at the bottom should be hotcues.
The kill switches to choose which effect (to favorites and two "scroll")
the pods for effects,
Two faders for wet/dry effects
Two faders for superknobs
the endless encoders at the top as loop knobs like the X1 (assuming i can push those as well)
Kayce Mesia
05.10.2011		Well, there's a new article and video about the K2 on the front page (I hope you all saw that while on the way here).

16 bit/48KHz soundcard. :U
Good to know that the buttons are similar to the X1. I was wondering if they were going to be more tactile, like the ones on the VCI-400.
Nedra Fresneda
05.10.2011		Its not bad news if its a pre production model.
Romelia Stankard
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I cant remember if anyone cleared up the question of whether the knobs had a centre click..? If they did the sorry about the repeat but i can confirm that the pre-production models at BPM did NOT have a centre click.

This doesnt mean the production models wont though so i guess you guys that want that click need to get emailing A&H and ask for it.
This is the first bad news with this thing
Kiyoko Wellisch
04.10.2011		Well I sent my ticket thingy. Stupid lack of a UK email...

Hope someone reads it...
nayit ruiz jaramillo
04.10.2011		I cant remember if anyone cleared up the question of whether the knobs had a centre click..? If they did the sorry about the repeat but i can confirm that the pre-production models at BPM did NOT have a centre click.

This doesnt mean the production models wont though so i guess you guys that want that click need to get emailing A&H and ask for it.
Gemma Saroff
04.10.2011		Sexy little unit!
Maybe I'll sell my X1 for it. But NI will probable get a answer soon
nayit ruiz jaramillo
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Why on earth would you need 2 deck channels and a headphone channel? Either you use 2 channels to the mixer (mixing externally) and use the headphone section on the mixer or you use 1 channel to the mixer (mixing internally) and use the other output for headphones.

But still, with 2 of those like you said you'd like to get you'd have 4 stereo outputs so what's the issue?

Either way the laptops sound card would add LOADS of a latency.
Totally agree.
Use the Headphone output on the K2 for the channel 2 in external mixer mode and cue on the hardware mixer. Then, all the faders on the K2 are dedicated to Fx parameters or anything you like.
Brilliant way to mix externally with a small footprint.
Kiyoko Wellisch
04.10.2011		Why on earth would you need 2 deck channels and a headphone channel? Either you use 2 channels to the mixer (mixing externally) and use the headphone section on the mixer or you use 1 channel to the mixer (mixing internally) and use the other output for headphones.

But still, with 2 of those like you said you'd like to get you'd have 4 stereo outputs so what's the issue?

Either way the laptops sound card would add LOADS of a latency.
Joya Pomerinke
04.10.2011		I have been believeing about djing with only my x1 for club gigs where there is not enough room for my s4.

I have always had a weak heart for A&H...
Now two of these would be great.

Has anybody any thoughts for mapping?
Irwin Ney
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by zestoi
not in public i hope :eek:
lol... I was waiting for that reply
Chasidy Heckenbach
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
even flanger myself
not in public i hope :eek:
Romelia Stankard
05.10.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
I believe I see myself owning some in the future
Chas Giraldez
04.10.2011		all i need to know is how the looping encoders are mapped on the x1 and i have a sick mapping for this...anybody have a clue?
Dorie Scelzo
04.10.2011		I believe I see myself owning some in the future
Irwin Ney
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I remember him explaining the various delays on the DB4 last year and it was almost like i was inside the mixer being delayed myself.
I love when I feel that I'm inside my music, I'm able to delay, reverb, even flanger myself
The best is when you discover the freeze button haha

Good vibes
Kiyoko Wellisch
04.10.2011		Ah wicked! Thanks guys.

I wish my hair looked like that. D:
Ella Rick
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
The one that if you stop it at 8 seconds you can see me and Rainer
Yep!

nayit ruiz jaramillo
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by willinfluence
Yeah it's the same one as Gary has just posted again
The one that if you stop it at 8 seconds you can see me and Rainer
Ella Rick
04.10.2011		Yeah it's the same one as Gary has just posted again
Ella Rick
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Wait, what video?
I posted a video of it in the DB2 thread, it's the only video about at the mo
and you have probably seen it already
Chas Giraldez
04.10.2011		heres one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25xhw8Rznw
Kiyoko Wellisch
04.10.2011		Wait, what video?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
04.10.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Karlos you say USB powered, does that mean there is no power transferred over xlink and it will still have to get some power over USB from a hub or something? Because that would totally suck.
Power and data over the XLink so only one needs to be USB connected if the other is just for control (not audio).

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Power will flow from the laptop into the first K2 and then into the second one via the xlink. At least that's what I've read.
Correct.

Originally Posted by padi_04
That's it, I'm getting one. I also agree on the 2 K2 being a sick ableton setup.

Karlos, what do you believe of the fader resistance? same as a 1D/2D/3D/4D?
Yeah, i would say so. I DJd with an A&H 62 for 7 years (i loved that mixer) so its just what you expect from them. However the knobs are better and the rubber wont split like they did on the 62 etc.

Originally Posted by truewind
Oh Gosh.... You guys are starting to make me regret getting my Xone4..... And worst thing is that I just bought one last wednesday, and still hasn't arrived!!!!!
In most countries you can send anything back with a matter of days/weeks if unhappy with it for any reason

Originally Posted by DigitalDevil
Definitely noticed what you guys are saying about the human side of A&H. Just from the trade show vids the guys explaining stuff seem to have genuine passion and belief that they're delivering a quality product (really noticed this with last year's db4 unveiling videos), while many other companies' marketing is just a guy reading off the same feature list you find on the website. Combining that with my A&H fanboyism gets the hype rolling pretty easily.
I have met Tim (Mixarchitekt) the guy in the video only twice in my life but both times he has managed to engage me in a product in a way that has not been matched by anyone else.
He loves his products and he has a very rich way of describing features.
I remember him explaining the various delays on the DB4 last year and it was almost like i was inside the mixer being delayed myself.

I believe he could charm the hind legs off a donkey (strange English term).
Leonora Synstelien
04.10.2011		Oh Gosh.... You guys are starting to make me regret getting my Xone:4D..... And worst thing is that I just bought one last wednesday, and still hasn't arrived!!!!!
Irwin Baccei
04.10.2011		can someone post up the videos of it so far?
Romelia Stankard
04.10.2011		And now the planning begins for what I'm going to have to sell to get $3000 for a DB4 and two K2s....

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