Xone: K2 Thread
Xone: K2 Thread Posted on: 30.09.2011 by Romelia Stankard Wow this looks promissinghttp://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Produc...neK2&SubCatId= So if you link two together with the ethernet cable through USB, will it 'merge' the soundcard so you have a 4 channel soundcard? If it does then you could bring two to a gig, hook them together with ethernet and not need another audio interface and have a 4 channel soundcard. It kind of sucks they put one 1/8" on the front instead of having both outputs in the back. It makes it a little awkward if you wanted to run both outputs to separate channels on the mixer, now you have to run a cable to the front. Also remember you have the option to run each channel in traktor mono so you could use one of them as a 4 channel soundcard with a few adapters (like you would with an audio 2 or 4). Plus a lot of systems are mono anyway. I really like the idea of having one or two of these with a DB2 or DB4 for a home setup then just take them to your gig with a laptop and you have an audio interface to use already in your controller with the house mixer. I love the X1s but I might have to give them up for these, i would love to get my hands on one. | |
| Kenya Zaretsky 04.11.2011 | i hope there will be overlays for a 2 Deck Traktor Internal Setup. Then this one would be perfect for small house parties... |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 04.11.2011 | i really want one for a basic 4 deck mixer setup, the usual filter/eq/levels/kills and then the bottom buttons for monitor/play/cue/sync and use the encoder for nudge on the monitored deck. maybe have a 2nd layer for the 4x4 grid to enable effects units on each deck. would also like an alternative mapping for just full effects control where i use my djm101 for decks A+B levels etc and something else for the sample decks. is anywhere in the uk that can be relied on taking pre-orders yet that anyone knows? i pretty much only ever buy stuff online via ebay but i suspect that won't be the ideal place to order a K2 early from |
| Dorie Scelzo 04.11.2011 | If I decide to get one, yes, I have a mapping in my head |
| Romelia Stankard 03.11.2011 | whos already got their maps planned out? I am believeing of how I would want to map two k2s for two decks and two sample decks. It would be easy to just fill up all knobs and faders for FX and then sample slot filer and volume. I'm trying to believe if maybe there would be a better use of some knobs or faders for some super knob type stuff. I want to get a solid base map on the first layer with the shift button and then work in the other layer options. maybe I need to believe outside the box but I like most of what i need without using much shift/modifiers. the other k2 would be the same for deck b and sample deck d with fx units 2 and 4 I'm sure some of you have better ideas, lets brainstorm now I was believeing maybe have two types of sync options but that could get confusing. I need a layer for managing tempo and possibly some grid nudging, plus a solid way to assign fx units to each deck without getting crazy. instant grat could be nice but i feel is kind of over used and there are possibly some better things to do there. |
| Romelia Stankard 03.11.2011 | What I'm wondering is how much I would really like this over ditching my X1s completely. I absolutely love the X1 buttons, they are the perfect combination of clicky responsive and rubbery. The nice thing about the X1s is they have two solid premapped options in traktor 2. So I can plug one in on my friends computer running traktor and not have to import any .tsis and be good to go. They have a good default map that is clearly labeled, anyone who has used one can jump on your setup and not look at a blank grid of colored buttons and have no idea what is what. Not needing to deal with .tsis is nice if you have multiple computers or accidentally delete your mapping and don't need to search around to find it again. Really the only thing the x1 is lacking is more pots. If the X1 had double the knobs up top it would be perfect- then you could have all 4 FX units on on controller, and all volume and filter knobs for sample decks on another. I guess that is what the K2 will bring to the table. I'm kind of tired and rambling here but I just hope the buttons are nice on the k2. I'm looking at it now and I see exactly how I am going to map the top of the controller and it is going to be pretty sweet. |
| Dorie Scelzo 31.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by mil0
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| Arcelia Siebeneck 31.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by LoveFyi
even Sasha, when he was using Ableton Live and a custom midibox controller, was pretty much mixing exported stems, A-B style, from what I could tell. There's a reason why A-B mixing is popular; it's because a DJ's job is simply to play good music and keep people dancing. a lot of people could do with remembering this imho. |
| Dorie Scelzo 31.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by LoveFyi
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| Rosaria Lachina 31.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| Leeanna Ayla 31.10.2011 | My point was that I would rather have a 16 bit sound card built with quality parts than a 24 bit sound card built with cheap, lowest bidder type of parts. |
| Cristobal Madhavan 30.10.2011 | Do tell! They released an inferior 24bit sound card? When did this get known? It's digital so that kinda doesn't make sense to me, but all things are not created equal. I wasn't arguing in a negative sense, I like debate, and there's always room to question. |
| Leeanna Ayla 30.10.2011 | I would rather have a quality 16 bit sound card than an inferior 24 bit one. And imo there's so much more about this controller that furthers the realm of DJ'ing that arguing over the sound card's bit resolution is pointless. |
| Cristobal Madhavan 30.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I always thought the power of a controller was being able to do things traditional decks can't do. All that convience and one would be happy and have fun doing the bare minimum? I doubt that. I'm not expecting ANYTHING from companies at certain price points., ESP A&H. I said I'd rather pay a little less than pay a little more for old out dated tech which in my opinion 16 bit sound cards are. After coming out with a similar item of better quality years ago A&H along with several other companies are cutting corners to cut costs to sell more and it's just not something I see furthering the realm of djing. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 30.10.2011 | I'll say almost all the greatest DJs just go from A to B. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 30.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by LoveFyi
Also, thats not what its intended for. Its bit like saying, that motorbike is crap cus its not got any doors... Get a car. If you want 4 external decks you just need 2 x K2s.
Originally Posted by LoveFyi
Not everyone is interested in Richie Hawtin 4 deck shizzle. Some of the greatest DJ's in the world just go A to B. |
| Cristobal Madhavan 30.10.2011 | I don't see the deal with this controller. It has decent buttons this time. It's smaller lighter and less expensive than the 2D, but I cant believe it's 2012 and they released it 16bit. Now A&H are sitting right next to Berlinger or American audio. Rane sound cards sound like crap comparatively speaking to their 24bit counterparts on large or high fidelity sound systems, A&H same. Numbers say that a cd is 16 bit in nature, but a regular ol wav on cd will sound much better. A two stereo channel sound card at that. Can't even run 4 decks. Using a controller and just A-B mixing belongs in a bedroom or for demo at a show room. PRO performance, no. I agree there's no point in making a controller only version at this price point, but I'd of been happy with a slightly less expensive controller with no card if they plopped a cheap one in there. I'd stick with the x1 or the 1D unless you're choice is the 2D. Just an IMHO. Who knows maybe its a much improved SC. I'D wait for the K4. |
| Rosina Gholami 29.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Scaper7
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| Arcelia Siebeneck 29.10.2011 | Mix Architekt - I see you're Bangkok-based... do you know Amnesty or Dave Specialist? |
| Emanuel Kepics 28.10.2011 | Curious about the on board soundcard ... does '16 bit' soundcard mean there's a compromise on sound quality? |
| Francie Gindin 23.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
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| Loralee Erban 22.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Summit like this would take a couple seconds to make , I might start experimenting with my other controllers. Could use walnut, oak, cherry, beach and then a range of stains , dark walnut would look lovely |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 22.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by phazedown
I invite you to look at mine and Rainers Overview of the K2 and a full explanation of how the K2's latching layers work. K2: A Close look. http://traktorbible.com/articles/clo...n-xone-k2.aspx Latching Layers. http://traktorbible.com/articles/xon...explained.aspx |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 22.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by phazedown
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| Jillian Wehrkamp 21.10.2011 | Check out this german blog for nice pictures @ K2 and DB2 http://dj-lab.de/2011/10/neu-allen-h...bpm-show-2011/ (hope that's allowed, I'm new here) |
| Suzanna Paddock 19.10.2011 | very nice! |
| Torie Hollobaugh 19.10.2011 | They come in different colours. And not all of them are angled. http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nk....c0.m270.l1313 HOW TO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3M0Z...ature=youtu.be |
| Romelia Stankard 20.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
I'll probably make some custom K2 stands/encasement. I'm believeing I will make stands that cover the front and come out like 1/2" or just enough to hide a right angle 1/8" plug that will plug into the headphone jack and then run to the back where I will mount two RCA jacks in the bottom rear of the case/stand. I might not even need to cover the front but I will have two RCAs jacks mounted for sure. That way it will be like it should have been built and if I gig out I can just unhook two CDJs and plug the RCAs right into the rear. |
| Leeanna Ayla 19.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 19.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Destrukto
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
They are available on eBay right now. My best description of the X1 stand would be: Not bad at best, Shoddy at worst. My mate could knock these up in minutes. They had some imperfect edging and the wooden sides werent perfectly identical. The Maschine version looked better but i still didnt like the retro look it gave the gear and i drive a car with a Walnut wooden dashboard... I like wood |
| Dorie Scelzo 19.10.2011 | That thing is kind of insanely hot |
| Romelia Stankard 19.10.2011 | I hope someone makes some nice aftermarket stands. It's awesome it comes with a bag but it looks like it will make them sit with a big gap between the K2 and mixer and I would rather have a more flush look. These are cool for the X1 and I wouldn't mind something like this for the K2. I would paint it black though. |
| Torie Hollobaugh 19.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Karlos, you mean to say the DB4's menu can be externally controlled? (a) ...by any midi device? (b) ...by the K2 over X:LINK only? Wow, this could possibly be the most exiting feature yet - future possibilities, especially for a DB4-K2 combo, seem to suddenly explode! |
| Bethel Himmelein 19.10.2011 | no worries, happened to me while writing the review draft as well One could believe that - NI used the X in Kontrol X1 due to the big success of the "X"one:1D, and - AH used the K in Xone:K2 due to the big success of the "K"ontrol X1 But these are evil thoughts, and we don't have evil thoughts |
| Emanuel Kepics 18.10.2011 | excuse the unintended typo ... |
| Bethel Himmelein 19.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Scaper7
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 18.10.2011 | What do you mean by PC friendly device? |
| Emanuel Kepics 18.10.2011 | Thank you Rainer and Karlos for the detailed explanation of K2 layers. They've certainly made it a versatile little piece of kit. What a cool design. Looking forward to some reviews of the on board sound card ... (and keeping my fingers crossed that it's a PC friendly device). |
| Latoria Kavulich 18.10.2011 | Thanks Rainer |
| Bethel Himmelein 18.10.2011 | New posting by Karlos and me (= the TraktorBible guys) with more information about the Latching Layers System of the Xone:K2 http://traktorbible.com/articles/xon...explained.aspx |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 14.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by mix architekt
wouldn't it make a lot more sense for a pad to send+receive the same note/cc and color be changed by velocity? or is there any chance of a version of firmware in the future that would behave this way? would make it a lot easier to use with different apps, else a note has to be changed on the fly and possibly changed to another to change the color ofc. re: modifiers i presume u mean traktor? all my mapping is via my own midimasher app these days anyway that sits between traktor and my controllers. so basically each latching layer has it's own color and in non-latching mode all that's happening is we transmit the note number for the layer that has the color we want? i'm still really excited about this product but not overly keen on this midi implementation i must admit. having one color per layer makes a lot of sense as a default, esp with the way buttons can (or not) be chosen to latch to layers. but being able to use colors on pads is a great way of showing the layout you are using, so would be very useful to have multiple colored led's on different layers *not* just to tell u what layer that button is latched into. i can write a custom function in midimasher that translates the base pad note and color wanted into the actual color needed to be displayed - but i suspect if someone was using the K2 directly connected to something like ableton or even via bomes it would be more of a pain. |
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