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Posted on: 30.09.2011 by Romelia Stankard
Wow this looks promissing

http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Produc...neK2&SubCatId=



So if you link two together with the ethernet cable through USB, will it 'merge' the soundcard so you have a 4 channel soundcard?

If it does then you could bring two to a gig, hook them together with ethernet and not need another audio interface and have a 4 channel soundcard. It kind of sucks they put one 1/8" on the front instead of having both outputs in the back. It makes it a little awkward if you wanted to run both outputs to separate channels on the mixer, now you have to run a cable to the front. Also remember you have the option to run each channel in traktor mono so you could use one of them as a 4 channel soundcard with a few adapters (like you would with an audio 2 or 4). Plus a lot of systems are mono anyway.

I really like the idea of having one or two of these with a DB2 or DB4 for a home setup then just take them to your gig with a laptop and you have an audio interface to use already in your controller with the house mixer.

I love the X1s but I might have to give them up for these, i would love to get my hands on one.
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Olin Easley
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
It seems to me that the people who have the loudness problem use Macs. Has anyone with a PC experienced it?
Can anyone answer this?
Meridith Betsinger
07.03.2013
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
Yeah i feel you mate... what can we do about that?
I didn't try to contact A&H yet, should we do that?
honestly, I've just started pushing the gain in Traktor.
Here's how I proceed:
Deactivate the auto gain option,
Push the gain on the different channels (+5db, or till it's good enough, and the signal doesn't saturate), this changes over the course of the evening and the overall level of the tracks but I will seldom touch the gains.
The "real" gain control is done through the external mixer (I mix externally 90% of the time).

All in all I have found the solution good enough, if used within reason, don't go pushing the gain all the way or you will be sorry
Irwin Ney
01.03.2013
Originally Posted by johndavid
is everyone happy with the volume output on the K2?

I've had it since june, didn't pay too much attention while playing out with it but at this point I believe I just don't believe the output is sufficient at all, it's caused too many issues, especially when not having access to a master mixer and not doing soundcheck because of showing up at the club mid-event.

Having the gains on maximum on the mixer, and increasing the master output usually almost does the trick but not always... the channel levels are still half of vinyl and cdjs volumes

I use both outputs (Rca and front jack )and do external mixing, playing mostly house and techno.

I'm now considering getting another soundcard (like an NI Audio card for dvs) which really defeats the purpose of having bought this controller.

Any opinions/recommendations?

ps: this post sounds like a rant and perhaps it is, let me make it clear I find the levels usable but not "good enough".
Any news on this issue?
I really suffering from low volume, sometimes when the channel that the CDJ were playing has the gain over 50% I cant get not even close to the CDJ volume by turning my channel gain at the mixer to the max...
It's really a pain... who else has the same problem?

Also the topic at A&H community is dead...
How can i get any help about this issue?
http://xonecommunity .allen-heath.com/for...b-voulme-issue
Ulysses Vittetoe
16.12.2012
Originally Posted by kallekenkel
Happens to me also (MBA late 2010), but only about every 5 starts... The "enter setup, exit setup" helps.. Not sure why.
I'm using a Macbook as well. Heard of anyone else it happens to?
Irwin Ney
07.05.2013
Still no news on loudness
I'm getting used to it... shame on me...

Now here is a video of me rocking a xone k2 at a Psytrance open air party in S
Olin Easley
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
It seems to me that the people who have the loudness problem use Macs. Has anyone with a PC experienced it?
Can anyone answer this?
Olin Easley
03.04.2013
It seems to me that the people who have the loudness problem use Macs. Has anyone with a PC experienced it?
Kasandra Kreindler
02.04.2013
Hey guys, just got one of these bad boys after a long while of wanting to pick one up to see if i wanted to make the switch from my Kontrol X1, first impression i really like it, got a couple mappings that work for what i want it to do loaded them up and mixed for 30 min still liking it, but when i got around to trying to update the firmware to 2.0 (i believe its on 1.0 atm) it wont update, even tried doing the stairstep update 1.03 still nothing, i know its not rly needed as i dont have two or have a db4 ... yet, but i just want to get it up to date. anyone else have problems with this? i've search long and far on xoneblog, here and djf but nothing seems to be poppin' up with solutions i can try. i am on Mac, any help would be great


tl;dr - xone k2 wont update firmware on Mac, any solution?
Irwin Ney
09.03.2013
Please update this topic when you do or when they answer...
Tell that there are other people that are facing the same issue
Marcos Zelko
08.03.2013
I'm going to email them this weekend regarding this issue. The main reason I bought the K2 was because of the built in sound card. I thought aggregating them would be awesome, other then the fact that they're so quiet...

I really don't feel like buying an audio 8/10 just because that would be another $300-500 ontop of my setup!
Irwin Ney
08.03.2013
But this is not a solution, its a workaround

We've payed, we should get a proper solution from A&H
Meridith Betsinger
07.03.2013
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
Yeah i feel you mate... what can we do about that?
I didn't try to contact A&H yet, should we do that?
honestly, I've just started pushing the gain in Traktor.
Here's how I proceed:
Deactivate the auto gain option,
Push the gain on the different channels (+5db, or till it's good enough, and the signal doesn't saturate), this changes over the course of the evening and the overall level of the tracks but I will seldom touch the gains.
The "real" gain control is done through the external mixer (I mix externally 90% of the time).

All in all I have found the solution good enough, if used within reason, don't go pushing the gain all the way or you will be sorry
Irwin Ney
05.03.2013
Yeah i feel you mate... what can we do about that?
I didn't try to contact A&H yet, should we do that?
Marcos Zelko
01.03.2013
I hooked up my iphone 5 and my macbook pro straight to my mixer on 2 diff channels, and they were both louder then my k2!
I honestly believe thats ridiculous... My macbook reads +3 on the xone92 while the k2 reads -10
Irwin Ney
01.03.2013
Originally Posted by johndavid
is everyone happy with the volume output on the K2?

I've had it since june, didn't pay too much attention while playing out with it but at this point I believe I just don't believe the output is sufficient at all, it's caused too many issues, especially when not having access to a master mixer and not doing soundcheck because of showing up at the club mid-event.

Having the gains on maximum on the mixer, and increasing the master output usually almost does the trick but not always... the channel levels are still half of vinyl and cdjs volumes

I use both outputs (Rca and front jack )and do external mixing, playing mostly house and techno.

I'm now considering getting another soundcard (like an NI Audio card for dvs) which really defeats the purpose of having bought this controller.

Any opinions/recommendations?

ps: this post sounds like a rant and perhaps it is, let me make it clear I find the levels usable but not "good enough".
Any news on this issue?
I really suffering from low volume, sometimes when the channel that the CDJ were playing has the gain over 50% I cant get not even close to the CDJ volume by turning my channel gain at the mixer to the max...
It's really a pain... who else has the same problem?

Also the topic at A&H community is dead...
How can i get any help about this issue?
http://xonecommunity .allen-heath.com/for...b-voulme-issue
America Caffrey
05.01.2013
No while i pre-cue one track, but when i cue track to the monitor master it is
Tatum Ansaldo
05.01.2013
Who here has used a K2 with a DB4? What are your thoughts?
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.01.2013
Are you clipping? Do you get the problem when you use it with other programs?
America Caffrey
06.01.2013
got mine month ago, wonderfull controler for the price maybe the thing i was wanting because i was using audio2 & x1 and didn't have a free usb port on my mac for my external hdd.
in external mode is great but in internal mode when i plug my headphones at the front the sound is awful and distorted...
any help ?
Ulysses Vittetoe
16.12.2012
Originally Posted by kallekenkel
Happens to me also (MBA late 2010), but only about every 5 starts... The "enter setup, exit setup" helps.. Not sure why.
I'm using a Macbook as well. Heard of anyone else it happens to?
Carrie Vongonten
17.12.2012
Happens to me also (MBA late 2010), but only about every 5 starts... The "enter setup, exit setup" helps.. Not sure why.
Ulysses Vittetoe
16.12.2012
Any reason why Traktor isn't recognizing my k2 as a midi device unless I enter setup mode and then exit it each time before I start Traktor? It recognizes the sound card just fine without having to do that.
Kiyoko Wellisch
14.12.2012
What mixer are you using? There cannot be many mixers where you can turn the gain up all the way with a K2 plugged in and not be clipping the mixer. Are you sure that you haven't got the volume down in the software? Are you sure you're not clipping?

I mean I have records that with my needles are about 1/3 the volume of an audio4 and I still have the gain turned down about 40% from max when I play them on my Nuo 2.0.
Meridith Betsinger
14.12.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
So what's the issue with turning up the gain?
Even with gains to the max it's not loud as I'd like it to be! (And no I'm not a crank it to the max moronic person)
Carrie Vongonten
14.12.2012
Well the output volume really is significantly (!) lower than that of a CDJ or an NI Audio soundcard...
So you have to turn up the gain in Traktor a lot, and as well on the mixer.. If you then play a track with comparatively low volume (worst case..), you have nowhere to go as the gain may already be turned up all the way.
Kiyoko Wellisch
14.12.2012
So what's the issue with turning up the gain?
Carrie Vongonten
14.12.2012
Yepp, the volume is indeed significantly lower.
See: http://xonecommunity .allen-heath.com/for...b-voulme-issue
Meridith Betsinger
14.12.2012
is everyone happy with the volume output on the K2?

I've had it since june, didn't pay too much attention while playing out with it but at this point I believe I just don't believe the output is sufficient at all, it's caused too many issues, especially when not having access to a master mixer and not doing soundcheck because of showing up at the club mid-event.

Having the gains on maximum on the mixer, and increasing the master output usually almost does the trick but not always... the channel levels are still half of vinyl and cdjs volumes

I use both outputs (Rca and front jack )and do external mixing, playing mostly house and techno.

I'm now considering getting another soundcard (like an NI Audio card for dvs) which really defeats the purpose of having bought this controller.

Any opinions/recommendations?

ps: this post sounds like a rant and perhaps it is, let me make it clear I find the levels usable but not "good enough".
Danae Dumler
06.12.2012
Haven't tried it yet but from the picture this 2-deck mapping is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Thanks!

Originally Posted by kallekenkel
My experience has shwon that 4-deck just using the K2 is... possible.. but uncomfortable.
You'll have to work with many modifiers and shift buttons, which isn't exactly intuitive and bears the risk of doing something crazy when playing in a club.. especially after a couple of beers.

You may be interested in my simple 2 deck mapping: http://djsetup.de/einfaches-2-deck-xone-k2-mapping/
The site is German, but the picture should be self-explanatory: http://djsetup.de/wp-content/uploads...Mapping_v1.png
Lynetta Stanislav
07.12.2012
Really scratching my head with this now tried routing traktor through the K2 to test it didn't get audio from it , tried routing the audio from my computer didn't get anything either on both K2's i have . I tested the channel I was routing the K2 into on the db4 and it works fine so either both sound cards on the K2's are busted or t's something else . Anyone any ideas to try .




Originally Posted by neilmcm
I am trying to use my K2 as my soundcard for my maschine have the output from maschine set as K2 but no getting any sound , when I switch the output to my Db4 I get sound , not sure if I am missing some thing. I have 2 k2s connected via xlink then usb to a hub then the mac.
Carrie Vongonten
06.12.2012
I hear what you are saying, and I thought the same thing.
Still, as per my experience after a few months, I still feel that you cannot really perform on 4 decks comfortably on the K2.
It "works" technically, I agree.
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.12.2012
Originally Posted by kallekenkel
Well if you're using the K2 standalone, i.e. without a mixer, you would need
- 4*3 = 12 potis for the EQ
- 4*3 = 12 buttons for kill EQ
- 4*3 = 12 buttons for play, cue, and sync
- 4 line faders for volume
- 4 push encoders for loops
- more knobs for gain, cue-levels, mix, cue activate, key.. and then you haven't covered effects yet.

Sure you could use latching layers, but then you forfeit multiple LED output colors.. and quite honestly: latching layers is nothing else than a built-in shift mode.

As said, it's possible, but uncomfortable.
Yeah you don't need the majority of that stuff. If you're using a small controller you really need to prioritise better. EQ kill switches? Total waste of controller real estate.
At most I would use a single modifier if I were to make a mapping like that and that would be shift + loop size encoder = gain. And as a good portion of people use autogain that isn't even needed.

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