S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 5.0 Beta]- The Next Level
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S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 5.0 Beta]- The Next Level Posted on: 08.04.2012 by Rey Holubar Hey everyone,It's finally here! But, before we continue, some quotes to set the right mind and mood. Uncle Ben talking to Peter (Spiderman)
With great power there must also come great responsibility!
Jimbob in a comment on DigitalDJ.com
Sample decks, loops, FX etc. are the next level. If your mixes suck without them, they won’t get better with them. Oh how many evening
s have been spoiled by some clueless guy overusing the beatmasher.
What's new!
If you are new to my FX Jogs mappings, you can go back through the old threads starting with this one and have a nice read. You can get an idea what you are getting into. If you want to start at the beginning, have at it. Please note: There are two different mappings in the download below. One is the "Builder" and only has one FX mode just as an example FX grouping, so those who are interested in mapping their own effects can have a go at the other 13 modes. The second version is the "FULL" version and is the one I'll continue to add effect groupings as I get suggestions from other users or come up with my own ideas. The FULL version 5.0 beta only has 6 effect modes at the moment. You can read up on them and a bit on what they can do in the documentation in the download. This first version is a BETA and is not ready for live performances. I have added some documentation in the download, but the section for mapping new effect groupings is missing and will be added for the gold version. I hope to have the gold running in a couple of weeks and I hope to spawn some creative juices for those effects wizards for some ideas on new and cool effects groupings. This mapping opens a whole new realm of FX jogs. Copyright and Usage Anyone can use this mapping free of charge for their own personal or professional use. It MAY NOT be uploaded to any other web site for download or passed on to third parties in its original or modified form without my authorization. Downloading the pakage below automatically signifies your acceptance to these usage rules. That's it! I hope you like is and as always, have fun! I am looking forward to any and all constructive feedback. scamo | |
| Delena Katherman 30.05.2012 | Big problems now. Just got the F1, set it up, and started playing around with it. Works great. But, now Scamo's mod doesn't work. None of the effects turn on with the jogwheel, and I can't change modes with it (the values of each effect change, though, when I use the jog). Now, even with the F1 unplugged and a reloading of my previously working .TSI file, I can't get this mapping to function. It was working before the F1. Any ideas? Anyone else get the F1 today and find that it permanently altered their ability to use this mapping? Would a fresh Traktor install potentially help? |
| Britt Roback 29.05.2012 | Yeah I believe the next update will be cool. Defo issues at the moment which is why I'm using the default mapping for s4 and f1 |
| Aide Sonoda 30.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
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| Shirley Caponera 29.05.2012 | Sorry DysfunkDJ, i didn't explain good (just for my bad english) When i upgraded to 2.5 the jog wheels didn't work and could not change of Fx group... I have deleted (uninstall) traktor and i had to install it from the disk that came in my S4, then the scratch, and finally the 2.5. Everything before to save my collection.nml in a good place. Now the jogs works ok and can change of Fx group good, but still have the same problem that you and jdownesbaird explains up, sometimes some of the Fx on the group doesn |
| Britt Roback 29.05.2012 | Thanks pako, I'm gonna try the same. Did you have to delete the old one and how did you do it step by step please |
| Shirley Caponera 29.05.2012 | New install of all traktor and every things works Ok!! (With the same problems as DysfunkDJ) |
| Rey Holubar 29.05.2012 | Please let me know what was wrong in the docs, so I can correct them. Thanks! Also an update: Sorry, didn't get half as much as I would have liked to done with my mappings. I got caught playing with (and trying to fix) TP2.5 with my S4. So let's hope next weekend I can concentrate more on the mappings. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 28.05.2012 | I've noticed that when I switch to a new Effect Mode, pressing the jogwheel the first time will sometimes only turn on the first effect. If I release and press again, all is good. Other than that, I haven't noticed any issues with 2.5. |
| Britt Roback 28.05.2012 | For some reason the effects don't come on all the time when I touch the jog wheel with traktor 2.5. My launchpad doesn't work properly either. When I press the jog wheel sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. |
| Shirley Caponera 28.05.2012 | Hello, i will like to be only me... I have some problems with the mapping in 2.5 Doesn't change of Fx group, and the first fx group only works pushing the jog wheel if the "load" button is off... |
| Delena Katherman 25.05.2012 | I can also confirm that the mapping still works great in 2.5! |
| Fannie Portilla 25.05.2012 | Wow, great. I'm lookin forward to your new Versions. Would be a great week. New Scamo Version, + a new F1. I need more time to play *g* |
| Rey Holubar 25.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassfly
scamo |
| Fannie Portilla 25.05.2012 | AFAIK there were no Major Problems with Scamos Mapping. @Scamo Did you get the Informations to emulate some of the RMX-1000 Combos? |
| Laure Cantara 25.05.2012 | Someone has to have tried this with 2.5 by now. I know its not out for more than 24 hrs but I'm sure someone crazy did. |
| Rey Holubar 24.05.2012 | I don't know for sure, but I would guess it does. I'll download 2.5 on the weekend and test it. BTW. I have the builder mapping working with 4 decks now (a, b, c and d deck gain knobs control deck assignments of the effect units and the effect mode selection and it doesn't matter what deck flavor you have) and I've added some corrections ,so working between controllers is better. I'll be adding these improvements to the full version and also some new effect modes this weekend and if I can also get the documentation finished too, Version 5.0 Beta 2 will be released this weekend. The new version will take some getting used to, because you'll be grabbing the C and D deck gain knobs all the time, instead of the A and B knobs for Decks A and B. Hehehe....well. That is what was happening to me. But now the effects will also work for the sample decks, which wasn't the case with my older versions. You can do some pretty wicked things with the sample decks too. This is going to be wild with the Mix Decks... scamo |
| Rubye Sobeck 24.05.2012 | does your mapping work in 2.5 |
| Rey Holubar 20.05.2012 | I understand what your problem is, I am just not seeing anything that looks like what you are explaining. What effects are you seeing in mode 4? Especially effect 3. So I am sure I am looking at the same thing. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 20.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
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| Rey Holubar 20.05.2012 | @jdownesbaird - I tried the mapping you posted and I don't see any control of effect 3 in mode 4. Sorry. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 18.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
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| Rey Holubar 18.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by r1chardell1s
Yeah, I'd love to spend more time on this stuff, because it is nice to get cudos from people you don't even know, but who do acknowledge your work and that you've done something good for them in some way. That is the best kind of work there is, isn't it? And if you can make a living doing it too, that is really . That is why I believe DJing is a cool profession too. Because you are doing something good for people and their dancing (or even cheering and screaming) is direct feedback that what you are doing is good too. scamo |
| Rey Holubar 18.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
scamo |
| Karl Forde 18.05.2012 | I get you man. Like you I've got 2 demanding jobs - one of which is a professional DJ - and a family to look after. Even believeing about mapping makes my head hurt, so wanted to help you for helping me. Best of luck to you and I'm looking forward to the Gold iteration soon :-) |
| Rey Holubar 18.05.2012 | Hey Wow! Thanks for the offered support. However, until I can actually take real time and devote it to developing and supporting this (or other) mapping(s), I am going to keep it "free" and not even take donations, because if I did, I'd feel much, much worse not being able to keep up any promises I've made, which I am not doing now either (and why I understand Ean's decision to keep the mappings free). I wanted to get my next versions out much sooner, but just haven't had the time, or actually, it's not really the time, but the frame of mind. It is hard to explain, but I have a normal job and a side business and DJing is a hobby I do to get my mind away from the other two "activities". However, when I DJ (and only in my "living room"), I want to play and mix music and not mess with more logical believeing, which is very much needed in my job and business. It is a strange excuse, I know, but it is my only one. Plus, I want to deliver even better means of explaining my mappings (with videos) and that takes time too and I suck at it. hehehe... I have a slightly big problem with putting out shoddy quality. Maybe at some point, we'll take this mapping to another level and I'll get more professional with it. I am getting some F1s and also some MF3ds and will also be playing around with maps for them, especially the 3ds, to work with my S4 Effects Jogs mapping. Maybe I could go a bit professional then. Who knows? But for now, I am going to have to beg for everyone's "patience". I have some time this weekend planned to continue work. I will most likely just be bringing out two more betas - the Builder with 4 deck support and the Full version with some new effect modes and 4 deck support. (I've also found a couple of bugs, which are also fixed.) If those version releases go well, then the gold will follow a bit later and hopefully with some videos to show off mapping an effect mode with the builder version and how to use the full version with some examples of how I would use the effect groups. What I believe is so cool about my mapping is, it opens up a whole world of FX creativity with Traktor, which makes the software and the S4 so much more interesting. Well, at least that is my opinion. So let's cross our fingers that I don't get tied up in mixing songs and playing around with music and can concentrate on finishing the mappings for the next versions. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 17.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by r1chardell1s
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| Kandi Odom 17.05.2012 | 1 |
| Karl Forde 17.05.2012 | Hi Scamo, It's clear you have invested a lot of time and energy into leveraging out the capabilities of this controller. It's continued development is one I feel needs supporting since the DJTT TSI seems to be in a state of suspension and is currently unusable. So a big thank you from me. I was wondering how can I send you a little cash token of my appreciation for your continued efforts? Rich |
| Delena Katherman 16.05.2012 | Thanks for the quick reply. I'll check it out when I get home later, but I thought that I altered your "Effect 3" amount correctly. When I push the jog in effect mode 4, I can control all 3 effects perfectly fine. The amount is correct as well. It just doesn't turn the effect ON in spite of my mapping assignment. Is there something that would prevent the effect from actually turning on when I press the jog? |
| Rey Holubar 16.05.2012 | Sorry, while I was writing my post, you posted yours and I missed it. Yes, the third effect in the Group Mode of FX Unit one is always the "default" controlled effect with the jog. (Something I've also asked NI to simply take out, cause it is just a pain in the butt to map around). So in order to stop it from "moving", I've set up one or two commands to basically stop it. Sorry, I am not on my DJ computer, so I can't tell you exactly what to do to get rid of it, but if you search for the amount control for Effect 3 Unit 1, you should find what I did and just delete it or change it to however you need it. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 16.05.2012 | Hey, Scamo. Sorry to repost, but I still can't figure out why I can't turn effect 3 on with the jogwheel in Effect Mode 4 (see previous post). Is there something in your mapping that is overriding my "Effect 3 On" assignment? It actually turns effect 3 OFF when I push the jogwheel (if it's already on). |
| Rey Holubar 15.05.2012 |
@scamo What plans do you have with the mapping when the 2.5 update arrives?????
It should work too, if nothing was majorly changed with mapping the effect banks, which I don't believe there will be any. I have now decided to not wait for NI to fix the jog wheel preselect between decks problem. I am going to just use the gain knobs to change deck assignment of the effect units. So if you use Shift + Gain knob Deck A, you will get the effect units 1 and 3 turned on for Deck A. If you use Shift + Gain knob Deck B, you will get the effect units 2 and 4 turned on for Deck B. And if you use Shift + Gain knob Deck C, you will get the effect units 1 and 3 turned on for Deck C. And last but not least, if you use Shift + Gain knob Deck D, you will get the effect units 2 and 4 turned on for Deck D. Each gain knob with also control the effect modes. This will work for any flavor of Deck. However, if you use Track decks for C and D and switch between A and C or B and D, you will be constantly switching the Jog FX mode back on too, a problem which NI have said they are looking to fix. I just don't know when. scamo |
| Delena Katherman 15.05.2012 | Hey, Scamo. I'm really hoping you can help me out with something. I'm trying to learn how to map my own effects using your mapping as a starting point. I decided to use your Effect Mode 4 as a base. I changed the "Effect Select" 1 and 2 to my desired effects. Since there is no Effect 3 for Mode 4 (and I want 3 effects in the chain), I added an "Effect 3 Select", an "Effect 3 Amount", and an "Effect 3 On". Everything seems to have worked great EXCEPT touching the jogwheel will not turn on Effect 3. If I press and hold the jogwheel and THEN press the Effect 3 On botton on the S4, it will come on, but it stays on when I release the jog. Once I push the jog again, it turns off. The settings for my "Effect 3 On" are: Modifier 1, V 4, button, hold, FX Unit 1, and Left Jog Touch. Any idea why I can't get the jog to turn on Effect 3? Not sure what I'm missing. Really appreciate the help. |
| Kandi Odom 15.05.2012 | @scamo What plans do you have with the mapping when the 2.5 update arrives????? |
| Britt Roback 11.05.2012 | Get ya finger out then Scamster |
| Rey Holubar 09.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
If the loop indication stops working, then it is more like the communication between the S4 and your computer has stopped or isn't right for some reason. Stop Traktor, turn off the S4, turn on the S4 and start Traktor back up. If you still have issues, delete all the mappings and reimport my mapping twice. Usually there isn't this problem at all. I have made a "Builder" mapping so people can create their own mappings with only mode 1 in it as an example to sort of learn from. Since the mapping isn't that big, it isn't as confusing. The thing about mapping effect modes for Jog FX is, I could set up a single effect for each mode, but how much w/d should I set up? How much effect amount should the effect start at? How much should the jog control the effect amount? The list of questions goes on and it takes a lot of experimentation to get a useful effect group going anyway. Well for me it does. So, whoever wants to take this mapping and really make it customized to their liking, will have to learn to map.
Originally Posted by franekk
scamo |
| Elfriede Osbourne 10.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
and pitch buildup is made from beatmasher that moves slowly from about 80%, "transpose strech" that moves fast from 50% and slow reverb - you can try this mapping in my topic link |
| Delena Katherman 10.05.2012 | Hey, Scamo. Still loving your mapping, but for some reason I can only change effects modes of deck A (using SHIFT-GAIN) when deck A is playing. Deck B functions normally (I don't have to have it playing to change the effect modes). Also, deck B LED no longer tells me loop length on the S4. Are these known bugs? Finally, I've been digging through the controller manager to understand how you created this mapping. I noticed you have effects modes 1-5 and 8 all set up. Have you considered setting up ALL the effects modes (using just generic/random place holder effects) so that a user could simply go in and change the EFFECT SELECT to any desired effect? I know I can alter and experiment with the modes you already created, but then I lose your modes (which I like). This way, you could sort of have "blank" slots all ready for customization. As it stands, it looks like I would have to start from scratch to create a mapping for each empty mode, and I'm not exactly sure how to tackle that. |
| Rey Holubar 09.05.2012 | Hey franekk. Good job! That is what I am talking about! Not sure if I am going to put the vinyl stop effect on the beatmasher in Mode one, but I would certainly like to add it to another mode. I might add it to the incremental mode 1. Interesting how you got the effect to start with the release of the jog touch. How did you get that to work? Did you need to use modifier 3 or 6 too? Edit/-Also, what effect did you use to make the pitch change on the right jog? Did you just map the key adjustment? I like that effect a lot! Edit2/- Just played with TTFX in single mode. Is that how you did the stop effect? scamo |
| Elfriede Osbourne 09.05.2012 | Hi Scamo, thanks for great mapping. I was very impressed with RMX-1000 video and after little work i implemented "vinyl stop" to your build ups and made this test mapping (with one my buildup) - i hope you will like it and will add it to your standard mapping http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=51820 |
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