S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 5.0 Beta]- The Next Level
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S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 5.0 Beta]- The Next Level Posted on: 08.04.2012 by Rey Holubar Hey everyone,It's finally here! But, before we continue, some quotes to set the right mind and mood. Uncle Ben talking to Peter (Spiderman)
With great power there must also come great responsibility!
Jimbob in a comment on DigitalDJ.com
Sample decks, loops, FX etc. are the next level. If your mixes suck without them, they won’t get better with them. Oh how many evening
s have been spoiled by some clueless guy overusing the beatmasher.
What's new!
If you are new to my FX Jogs mappings, you can go back through the old threads starting with this one and have a nice read. You can get an idea what you are getting into. If you want to start at the beginning, have at it. Please note: There are two different mappings in the download below. One is the "Builder" and only has one FX mode just as an example FX grouping, so those who are interested in mapping their own effects can have a go at the other 13 modes. The second version is the "FULL" version and is the one I'll continue to add effect groupings as I get suggestions from other users or come up with my own ideas. The FULL version 5.0 beta only has 6 effect modes at the moment. You can read up on them and a bit on what they can do in the documentation in the download. This first version is a BETA and is not ready for live performances. I have added some documentation in the download, but the section for mapping new effect groupings is missing and will be added for the gold version. I hope to have the gold running in a couple of weeks and I hope to spawn some creative juices for those effects wizards for some ideas on new and cool effects groupings. This mapping opens a whole new realm of FX jogs. Copyright and Usage Anyone can use this mapping free of charge for their own personal or professional use. It MAY NOT be uploaded to any other web site for download or passed on to third parties in its original or modified form without my authorization. Downloading the pakage below automatically signifies your acceptance to these usage rules. That's it! I hope you like is and as always, have fun! I am looking forward to any and all constructive feedback. scamo | |
| Gigi Weese 10.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassfly
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| Rey Holubar 30.09.2012 | And impossible to map around. Hopefully NI will also have timers in their next improved mapping system, so it can be possible to track this user input in a mapping (and do other cool stuff). scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 29.09.2012 | It's used to quickly duplicate tracks or switching their positions between the decks, used to duplicate samples slots, used to bring a loop from the loop recorder to any other sample slots. As now the remix decks are 'linked' to a source to pick up samples, it's a useful feature. |
| Rey Holubar 27.09.2012 | Instead of loading a track from your library you can copy a track from deck to another. scamo |
| Lorri Bobar 28.09.2012 | oh ok. so... what is copy mode? :P |
| Rey Holubar 26.09.2012 | On the Traktor S4, if you press and hold the browse button for more than a second or two, you end up in copy mode and are out of the normal browse mode. scamo |
| Lorri Bobar 26.09.2012 | hey sorry to barge in, but what is copy mode? i can't find anything about it online when i google copy mode + traktor. |
| Rey Holubar 26.09.2012 | Hi kakalavak, This is the most up to date version. I still have some bugs to fix anddo a video about the effects. So, stay tuned. scamo |
| Nancie Degregorio 26.09.2012 | hi everyone,new here I install the FX Jogs Extreme Mapping v5.0 beta,first want to thank Scamo for such a wonderful work,it works like a dream with my new S4, now I'm trying to install the latest versions,,, Anyone knows where I can find then Thanks a lot |
| Kellie Myrum 11.09.2012 | Ok, then sorry for my ignorance. I've never used S4 obviously Thing I said about planning mapping still counts tho... |
| Rey Holubar 11.09.2012 | @Stewe. What Yul is talking about is the fact you can't use the modifier system (even with more than one generic user mapping) to get around the copy mode. Once you press the browse button longer than a second or two, you are in copy mode and there is no way to cover that "timed" mode change with the current modifier system. It also screws up my mapping. It is simply a restriction to a mapping, which is a user mapping on top of the default mapping, like my mapping is and you have to simply know about this restriction and hopefully avoid it and have a fail safe, if you happen to get caught with a messed up mapping, which my mapping also has. scamo |
| Kellie Myrum 10.09.2012 | Two modifiers are at shift buttons and third is at browser knob for sure (don't no rest). Every modifier can be found in editor and by click on it you can read button assignment. That's a simple mapping. Here we got scamo's mapping which is all 7 modifiers one generic device. I believe that when making advanced mappings it is better to start with idea of having two generics in first place because that way one side of S4 could be mapped in first generic and vice versa. Point is, you will have 7 modifiers on each side giving you more room for extreme mappings. |
| Fannie Portilla 10.09.2012 | I believe the Main Problem is the limitation from NIs side. I mean that on the one hand we have a default mapping which uses every Funktion of the S4 an a user mapping, which is limited to ignore a few of the so called "Hardwired" features. On the other it's the problem, hthat there is no dcumentation from NI how the default mapping ist designed and which modifiers are used for what. |
| Kecia Wnukowski 10.09.2012 |
All I see is that Yul is helping out reviewing the scamo mapping and in my book he is one of the few that actually understand the ins and outs of mapping. Glad he is chipping in his knowledge to make this mapping become even more stable or point out any restrictions.
The thing is most here don't understand the copy mode or what it does or it's relation with the browse mode: it's not an hidden function, it's not even a shift function, it's a basic function (not using it or not knowing what it does is not really relevant actually). Even more important now with the remix deck (as the remix decks are now assigned to a specific source to pick up samples). Yes to get that you have to understand a bit the software and the hardware and if you don't have a clue, well, you don't). The analogy with 'bringing coffee', as someone used, being far from perfect (that's not the word I'm believeing about). Doesn't change the fact that it is wrong on it's primary level AND/BUT that doesn't change the fact Scamo has put quite a lot of work into it (which is great). Bottom line is I didn't bring a solution for that - that would have made my post more constructive - you know why, there's none on the browse mode/copy mode issue (unless someone has a bright idea, please share it that would be cool to find a solution), as long as you use an additional mapping in coordination with the embedded one. Which is funny as if you don't know or do not use the copy mode, the only thing that makes a difference between a true/stable/pure user mapping and a (unstable) combination of a user and embedded one is the loop length indicator (all the rest can be mapped). So what's best? Use a fun but incorrect mapping that can be disrupted with the push of one finger on one button (that's a no-no for a live use, especially on prime controls - on the other hand if your audience consist of a teddy bear and your gaming console, you may not care, I get that) or may be plan a full user one (apart from the loop length indicator) that would solve many issues (no more issues with the load buttons behaviour on the sample decks layers, no more issues with controls over fx units 3&4, etc, etc...). But as said before, doesn't matter, if you use that mapping and it fills your needs/pleasure, cool, if you don't use it or don't care, cool too. And it's still an interesting and enjoyable thread to read. |
| Rey Holubar 09.09.2012 | Try unplugging and replugging the F1's USB connector. The F1 should be seen by Traktor and it should then work properly. I have the same set up and haven't had any issues with the MF3d, since I upgraded it to run the mix decks. It is a lot of fun. When you use the MF3d with an effects mapping though, you have to reset the effect mode on my mapping by simply selecting the mode again with a gain knob and press the jog wheel once quickly. scamo |
| Isaac Teeter 09.09.2012 | Scamo, first off, I'd like to thank you immensely for your hard work on your mapping. You've helped countless people work with their S4 in more creative and better ways. I'm looking forward to seeing the continuuing developments. A couple of question: I have a f1 and I have a M3dpro on it's way. I was wondering how I can get the F1 to work when I go into your TSI? AS it is now, when I have your tsi loaded (the latest 5.0 beta version or the builder) the f1 doesn't function. It also seems to foul up the effects on the right side. Also, will I be able to get your mapping to work with the M3Dpro? Thanks again for your hard work! Please let me know if you have a donation page as well. |
| Gigi Weese 10.09.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassfly
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| Colene Scaglia 07.09.2012 | Turned on auto analyze to fix the problem, awesome mapping though! |
| Adrian Zadrozny 28.08.2012 | Excited to try this mapping out soon! |
| Aliza Seramur 27.08.2012 | Scamo, Thanks again for creating the mapping and excellent documentation. Sharing with all of us is a gift and should be accepted as one. -Bluto |
| Rey Holubar 24.08.2012 | Please do point out any other pitfalls. I'd be glad to give them a shot and fix them. Edit: Please also use my current Builder version for any testing, as it is the most up to date. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 24.08.2012 | Already done. At the release of the s4. Your point? I didn't' see any? What's this question has to do here?
That Scamos Mapping doesn't Cover an Function ob the S4, which Not every User is Usinger
So if you or any other are butthurt because I wrote that mapping is incorrect/wrong, please accept that cup of GTFO. For all the others that use that mapping, cool. For all the others that don't care, cool too. My point is really not worthy of 10 messages around that. |
| Fannie Portilla 24.08.2012 | What's your Problem? That Scamos Mapping doesn't Cover an Function ob the S4, which Not every User is Using? Maybe it.'s his fault, that the S4 still doesn't brings you your coffee? You should See, that Scamo is working ob this mapping in his Free Time and he doesn't sell it. But since you Tell us, that you have the clue, you should Start your oen Mapping. |
| Kecia Wnukowski 24.08.2012 | [I]'There's a way to go out'? after messing on a control like a jogwheel. Ok, if that's good enough. "As long as the user knows its restrictions". But, but, but, I sincerely hear you, I also understand the point for the users (...), for the rest, please refer to my avatar. Once again my comments aren't important. |
| Rey Holubar 24.08.2012 | Puh, what did I miss. Yes, I am still learning and have said time and again, my inexperience might show. This is just another case. Yes, the mapping isn't perfect and I'll admit to that for sure. But the reasons it isn't perfect are because doing a mapping like this on top of the default S4 mapping and what NI give us to do such a mapping doesn't allow for perfection (nor in midi-mode either). Perfection simply isn't possible. As long as the mapping is stable enough to perform with and the users know its restrictions and there is also a way to get out of a jam, when something should lock up, then the mapping serves its purpose well enough to make many users happy. That is my only goal. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.08.2012 |
Seriously? This is a community
to discuss whatever the community sees fit. Clearly the community (myself included) is very interested in this mapping, and the distinct threads are warranted by the community's demand. /....../ It's ridiculous to expect that, as he clearly has a far greater understanding than most people on this community
(including the people that aren't able to create mappings like this for themselves). The fact is, this mapping IS more stable and powerful than the DJTT mapping. Period. I use this mapping almost exclusively, having spent a lot of time with the DJTT one first. What exactly is your point? Aren't we all here to learn and discuss?
Is Scamo required to understand every single function of the S4 before he donates his valuable time to making a very functional and stable mapping that enhances my S4 experience?
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| Kellie Myrum 23.08.2012 | This mapping seem to be great and currently it is the best jog FX mapping available far as I know. You guys wait till I get one of those S4 controllers and start mapping it :P Steve |
| Delena Katherman 23.08.2012 | Seriously? This is a community to discuss whatever the community sees fit. Clearly the community (myself included) is very interested in this mapping, and the distinct threads are warranted by the community's demand. Is Scamo required to understand every single function of the S4 before he donates his valuable time to making a very functional and stable mapping that enhances my S4 experience? It's ridiculous to expect that, as he clearly has a far greater understanding than most people on this community (including the people that aren't able to create mappings like this for themselves). The fact is, this mapping IS more stable and powerful than the DJTT mapping. Period. I use this mapping almost exclusively, having spent a lot of time with the DJTT one first. What exactly is your point? Aren't we all here to learn and discuss? |
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.08.2012 | edit: stupid comments on my parts. |
| Rey Holubar 23.08.2012 | Ok, I had to actually look up what the copy mode is. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess using that mode will have to be a restriction in my mapping. I don't believe too many people will cry about missing that functionality either. I'll make sure to mention that in my tutorial. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.08.2012 | That's the problem...copy mode is activated by the same browse button but without the same behaviour. Mapping wise they can't co-exist for the purpose of the mapping. |
| Rey Holubar 23.08.2012 | I believe I have browse mode covered. I am not sure what you mean with copy mode. scamo |
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.08.2012 |
I believe, and I don't want to belittle any of the great work DJTT has done, but I believe you'll find my mapping a bit more consistent, stable and even more powerful than the DJTT S4 mapping, when it comes to effect jogs
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| Maribeth Tidler 23.08.2012 | A silly question I guess - will I be able to run this along side my mf3d with the latest eangolden mapping? |
| Rey Holubar 23.08.2012 | Hey Paul. I believe, and I don't want to belittle any of the great work DJTT has done, but I believe you'll find my mapping a bit more consistent, stable and even more powerful than the DJTT S4 mapping, when it comes to effect jogs. I am practically finished with 5.1.0 beta and just now need to find the time to make a tutorial video, which I hope to get done this weekend. However, if you know me, you also know I have two other jobs beside my DJ hobby (which I want to make my third job.) So meeting plans is rough. Still, it's looking pretty good for a release of 5.1.0 this weekend and I am sure you will have fun with the new full version too. scamo |
| Adrian Zadrozny 22.08.2012 | Currently using an S4 with the new 2.5.1 update. I am still using the DJTT custom S4 mapping that came out just before xmas last year. It's a pretty cool mapping but isn't the most reliable at times and can be a bit buggy. I am posting here today to find some input on which mapping fellow users find to be the most useful. I kinda miss the loop indicators and using my jogwheels to scroll through tracks but not 100% sure how to properly revert back to stock and not sure if I want to go back if there is something more useful out there. I have heard great things about scamo's mappings. Any care to share their current workflow or what works best for them? I honestly don't use the jogwheel effects too much but they are nice to play around with from time to time. I spin all forms of house, trance, a little dubstep, and that's about it. I primarily only use Gater, Reverb, and Delay effects, nothing too crazy just like to keep it simple. Thanks, Paul |
| Delena Katherman 10.08.2012 | Final version will apparently be out as soon as this weekend (maybe), with 15 effects (so far) according to Scamo's post in the builder thread. |
| Laure Cantara 10.08.2012 | Is there a non builder version that has everything already done, updated and checked for bugs? Or is that later? |
| Issac Andreyev 01.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
Love what you've done with this mapping and can't wait to learn to delve into it deeper to create my own effect groupings, thanks for all the work you've put into it. |
| Rey Holubar 01.08.2012 | Really? Um, you do need to register again to the maps site. Your login here won't work there. If more people have trouble though, I'll also make a thread in the community
here so community
users can download the mapping. Correction: I see they've tried to tie in the community login for registration purposes. So, I guess we'll have to wait for John to fix it. I'll create a thread for the mapping. Edit: Here you go.... scamo |
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