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2 Deck Launchpad w/ 8 Cues+Loop+Instant Gratification FX
Posted on: 15.03.2011 by Wenona Murro
Thanks to many contributors of DJTT community s (Str8upDrew, l0rdr0ck, alex8337 and others) I was finally able to get my launchpad fully mapped and ready for combat! Since I am fairly new to midi mapping this took me about a week to finalize, so I decided I would share with other members. Here is a layout of the mapping I have put together. The beatphase LED was just for fun but I decided to leave it, sort responds like KIT's lights from Kevening Rider but to the beat. The mapping has complete and colorful LED feedback response. This mapping is for Traktor Pro and does not use Automap.



Hope this mapping will be of use to some of you other DJs. I have included all the .tsi files along with midi yoke and bome's inside the .rar file

http://www.mediafire.com/?sth1uodjqqhazi2

Thanks again for everyone's hard work in helping me learn midi mapping! Enjoy
Lorine Krattli
27.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
There was a fairly recent ish Midifighter competition and I believe it was someone using a Launchpad that won it. So yeah, I guess it can be as responsive and able to bash away at the buttons.

Mine is fun anyway!
i love the LP but in terms of button repsonse it will not be as good as a MF as the arcade button are super resonsive and you can hammer them ridiculously quickly.

the thing i dont like about the LP is the "double push" feeling you get from the pads which sometimes doesnt make them feel as responsive as they could be.

if your in the UK it will be cheaper and easier to get an LP. I want a MF but its the order time and the added cost of shipping to the UK (+ taxes) thats putting me off at the moment.
Lorine Krattli
27.05.2011
Originally Posted by jhyphinwill
I found some spare time and decided to make a new version for those having issues with LED messages. This version is constant on at brightest state. I changed the beatphase monitor to a more simple in/out. Please let me know if this solves your issues. Cheers!
will try this out toevening and let you know how it works but thanks a lot mate for putting this mapping together, really appreciate your efforts!
Wenona Murro
26.05.2011
instead of making another tsi I will guide you thru how to add the tt stop fx. This way you can learn a little bit at the same time.

1. Open configuration inside Traktor (The Gear Icon)
2. Find Controller Management on the left
3. Select the "JWLPMF_TR" from Device Management at the top
4. In The "Assignment Table" Click the "Control" tab field so they are A-Z by control
5. Find the command "Effect 3 select" for "FX Unit 1"
6. Change the "Lo-Fi" to "Turntable FX"
7. Repeat steps 1-6 with "JWLPMP_TL"
8. Mash buttons!
Olene Minyard
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by tombarton
I was about to get a midi fighter when I saw this thread and now I'm believeing a launchpad could be a good alternative! I use an S4 now and really wanted the instant gratification mapping on a midi fighter to go with it but am I right in believeing this has all the features of the MF's mapping? The super combos etc?

Also can someone tell me what the pads of the Launchpad are like? Are they as responsive as the MF? Can I bash away at hotcues as well as I could on arcade buttons?

I do mess around on ableton so this could be an attractive option but the feeling of the pads is important to me.

thanks
There was a fairly recent ish Midifighter competition and I believe it was someone using a Launchpad that won it. So yeah, I guess it can be as responsive and able to bash away at the buttons.

Mine is fun anyway!
Wenona Murro
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by -AyeAreTee
Yes please, i would appreciate that very much
No problem ill try and have it available toevening !
Leonardo Papajohn
26.05.2011
Yes please, i would appreciate that very much
Wenona Murro
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by -AyeAreTee
is this updated with the turntable stop aswell?
I went back to the original version with Lo-fi, I can make a tt stop version as well.if you want.
Leonardo Papajohn
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by jhyphinwill
I found some spare time and decided to make a new version for those having issues with LED messages. This version is constant on at brightest state. I changed the beatphase monitor to a more simple in/out. Please let me know if this solves your issues. Cheers!
is this updated with the turntable stop aswell?
Wenona Murro
26.05.2011
I found some spare time and decided to make a new version for those having issues with LED messages. This version is constant on at brightest state. I changed the beatphase monitor to a more simple in/out. Please let me know if this solves your issues. Cheers!
Lorine Krattli
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by Simon S
I was having much the same issue, after a bit of playing about I figured a work around......

When you first load traktor go into controler manager & for the 4 tsi's set in port & out port to launchpad then change the out port to none. You should see the lights come on in banks as you do this for each tsi then stay on without feedback or any flashing thereafter.

As I said, only a work around to give you some lights & indication of the layout. I have tested it rigorously & all seems to be stable.

When I get more time I shall try to re-place the led commands in small groups until I can figure out what's causing the issue.
thats a neat little work around for now and I am glad its not just me having this issue!

one thing i noticed when I was playing around with the LED outputs is that if you remove the beat phase monitor outputs it extends the time using the LP with LED's before it crashes so that is casuing some kind of issue, I am guessing with the rate it needs to update the monitor. DOnt really need it anyway so its no loss.

let me know if you get any further with it, I am going to have a play with the tsi again toevening now i have windows reinstalled.
Jama Goodison
25.05.2011
Originally Posted by fdawg
right i tried this again last evening and its 100% the led's that are causing the problem. was playing tunes mashing the pad for 2 hours with no led's. turned them on and 15 minutes later the whole system crashed. It has to be something specific to traktor as the LP work perfectly in ableton suite 8 and in max4live running 7up with full led feedback.

laptoip specs: intel pentium dual core mobile processor T3400 (1MB cache L2 @ 2.16Ghz), Mobile Intel G140 Chipset, 4GB DDR2 Ram (3 usable with windows 7)

as I have said above its something specific to Traktor Pro 2 and the LED's crashing my lappy as I can use it perfectly without LEDs or I can use it with led's in ableton!
I was having much the same issue, after a bit of playing about I figured a work around......

When you first load traktor go into controler manager & for the 4 tsi's set in port & out port to launchpad then change the out port to none. You should see the lights come on in banks as you do this for each tsi then stay on without feedback or any flashing thereafter.

As I said, only a work around to give you some lights & indication of the layout. I have tested it rigorously & all seems to be stable.

When I get more time I shall try to re-place the led commands in small groups until I can figure out what's causing the issue.
Lorine Krattli
25.05.2011
is lo-fi not used in the supercombo's though? what difference does the turntable stop make to these?
Tawna Ulmen
24.05.2011
I used the files from the link. Tested again this morning and it works perfectly.

Super chuffed, thanks again!
Wenona Murro
23.05.2011
Originally Posted by JazZmutant
Thank you sir! Really good mapping. Will let you know if I end up using it in a gig after ive tried it out for a while
You Bet! Thanks, I use it every week

Originally Posted by tombarton
I was about to get a midi fighter when I saw this thread and now I'm believeing a launchpad could be a good alternative! I use an S4 now and really wanted the instant gratification mapping on a midi fighter to go with it but am I right in believeing this has all the features of the MF's mapping? The super combos etc?

Also can someone tell me what the pads of the Launchpad are like? Are they as responsive as the MF? Can I bash away at hotcues as well as I could on arcade buttons?

I do mess around on ableton so this could be an attractive option but the feeling of the pads is important to me.

thanks
Yes the super combos are mapped as well. IMO the pads are great and very responsive. The LED feedback is great to see in action, a feature you don't get on the midi fighter.

Originally Posted by drmore
Hi thanks for shareing your setup, love it!

However I believe noticed a bug in the turntable fx mod. Releasing the button on deck A does not reset the dry/wet. You get the sound of deck coming back up to speed instead of the track kicking back in.
hmm. Not sure why its not working for you. The dry and wet instant kicks out upon release for me. Did you import my tsi files or use my directions to create this effect on your own?
Tawna Ulmen
23.05.2011
Originally Posted by jhyphinwill
The latest version of the mapping can be found here: http://www.traktorbible.com/freaks/m...ew.aspx?id=169

I have altered the mapping a bit and replaced the Lo-fi with a quick turntable stop you can find the replacement files: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...=26573&page=16
Hi thanks for shareing your setup, love it!

However I believe noticed a bug in the turntable fx mod. Releasing the button on deck A does not reset the dry/wet. You get the sound of deck coming back up to speed instead of the track kicking back in.
Boyce Engbrecht
23.05.2011
I was about to get a midi fighter when I saw this thread and now I'm believeing a launchpad could be a good alternative! I use an S4 now and really wanted the instant gratification mapping on a midi fighter to go with it but am I right in believeing this has all the features of the MF's mapping? The super combos etc?

Also can someone tell me what the pads of the Launchpad are like? Are they as responsive as the MF? Can I bash away at hotcues as well as I could on arcade buttons?

I do mess around on ableton so this could be an attractive option but the feeling of the pads is important to me.

thanks
Azucena Minks
23.05.2011
Originally Posted by jhyphinwill
The latest version of the mapping can be found here: http://www.traktorbible.com/freaks/m...ew.aspx?id=169

I have altered the mapping a bit and replaced the Lo-fi with a quick turntable stop you can find the replacement files: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...=26573&page=16
Thank you sir! Really good mapping. Will let you know if I end up using it in a gig after ive tried it out for a while
Wenona Murro
22.05.2011
Originally Posted by JazZmutant
Is the most recent version of the mapping on the 1st page of this thread?
The latest version of the mapping can be found here: http://www.traktorbible.com/freaks/m...ew.aspx?id=169

I have altered the mapping a bit and replaced the Lo-fi with a quick turntable stop you can find the replacement files: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...=26573&page=16
Azucena Minks
22.05.2011
Is the most recent version of the mapping on the 1st page of this thread?
Azucena Minks
22.05.2011
just used the mapping for TSP and no issues. very nice will try it out for TSP2 at some stage also
Wenona Murro
20.05.2011
No worries! Def share your mapping I know others may be interested
Olene Minyard
20.05.2011
Nice one, cheers! Might have a go at this toevening if I get time. Will let you know, and share, how it goes and if it's a success!
Wenona Murro
20.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
What parts of the mapping control the LEDs? I might have a look at this? Playing in dark venues, I'd rather have the lights full on and then change colour when pressed instead of dim-on and then full-on when pressed.

If you could let me know, I might have a squiz at this then and have a go at changing it.
Look at the "Out" commands its the bottom 2 numbers. I believe the left number indicates the color/brightness when the button is off and the number on the right is the color/brightness once its engaged, or pressed.
Olene Minyard
20.05.2011
What parts of the mapping control the LEDs? I might have a look at this? Playing in dark venues, I'd rather have the lights full on and then change colour when pressed instead of dim-on and then full-on when pressed.

If you could let me know, I might have a squiz at this then and have a go at changing it.
Wenona Murro
19.05.2011
Originally Posted by fdawg
its a great mapping mate shame i cant run it with led's!

any chance you could change the mapping so the colours are on permanently (e.g. they dont change from dim to bright when touched) so I can see if that will work?
I'm sorry its not working for you. I currently dont have time to change all the outputs. You have the mapping just mess with all the "out" commands to your liking.
Lorine Krattli
19.05.2011
Originally Posted by jhyphinwill
Not sure I dont have a Midi Fighter. I have tweaked the mapping a little. I wasnt really using the Lo-fi button so I changed it to a quick turntable stop, like you hear in todays music. It picks up right on time and does not start up like a turntable upon release.
its a great mapping mate shame i cant run it with led's!

any chance you could change the mapping so the colours are on permanently (e.g. they dont change from dim to bright when touched) so I can see if that will work?
Wenona Murro
19.05.2011
Originally Posted by fdawg
i have another general question about the mapping, when used with a MF it has bank buttons, what are these for and how come they are not included in the mapping?
Not sure I dont have a Midi Fighter. I have tweaked the mapping a little. I wasnt really using the Lo-fi button so I changed it to a quick turntable stop, like you hear in todays music. It picks up right on time and does not start up like a turntable upon release.
Lorine Krattli
17.05.2011
i have another general question about the mapping, when used with a MF it has bank buttons, what are these for and how come they are not included in the mapping?
Lorine Krattli
17.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
If you only have 3GB usable, then I'm taking your running Windows in 32 bit? Also, that CPU is pretty weak by today's standards. Even though it's "dual core", it only has 1MB cache and is only a small notch above the Celeron CPU's.

With my 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4mb L2 cache and 4GB RAM running 64 bit Windows 7, I'm not having any issues.

It may be that cos Traktor itself doesn't support multi-core CPU's, having a weak CPU may be causing Traktor and in tur your CPU to buckle when trying to control all your MIDI signals. It would explain why the whole system crashes and locks too (as I had with a Celeron CPU).

Whereas it may work in Ableton, it may simply be that Ableton has a more efficient MIDI control system meaning it's less taxing on your CPU. Just a hypothesis.
I have tried it on 32 bit and 64 bit flavours of windows 7 ultimate and home and get the crashes but only with lights on.

the laptop is nearly 2.5 years old so I am not surprised but saying that I have gigged with this set up and never had any other issues ith traktor pro on the laptop. I even do a monthly online radio show with this set up and never had any crashes so it must be a midi communication issue in traktor that my cpu just cannot take

btw ableton supports multicore so that is one reason why it probably copes with the led feedback whereas traktor doesn't. why on earth didnt they make traktor support dual core?

looks like its time to start saving for a MacBook Pro 13inch i7 dual core 2.7Ghz!!!
Olene Minyard
17.05.2011
If you only have 3GB usable, then I'm taking your running Windows in 32 bit? Also, that CPU is pretty weak by today's standards. Even though it's "dual core", it only has 1MB cache and is only a small notch above the Celeron CPU's.

With my 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4mb L2 cache and 4GB RAM running 64 bit Windows 7, I'm not having any issues.

It may be that cos Traktor itself doesn't support multi-core CPU's, having a weak CPU may be causing Traktor and in tur your CPU to buckle when trying to control all your MIDI signals. It would explain why the whole system crashes and locks too (as I had with a Celeron CPU).

Whereas it may work in Ableton, it may simply be that Ableton has a more efficient MIDI control system meaning it's less taxing on your CPU. Just a hypothesis.
Lorine Krattli
17.05.2011
right i tried this again last evening and its 100% the led's that are causing the problem. was playing tunes mashing the pad for 2 hours with no led's. turned them on and 15 minutes later the whole system crashed. It has to be something specific to traktor as the LP work perfectly in ableton suite 8 and in max4live running 7up with full led feedback.

laptoip specs: intel pentium dual core mobile processor T3400 (1MB cache L2 @ 2.16Ghz), Mobile Intel G140 Chipset, 4GB DDR2 Ram (3 usable with windows 7)

as I have said above its something specific to Traktor Pro 2 and the LED's crashing my lappy as I can use it perfectly without LEDs or I can use it with led's in ableton!
Olene Minyard
16.05.2011
What are your laptop specs?

I had issues trying it on a crappy Celeron M 1.86GHz with 2GB RAM. However, the same laptop now has Core 2 Duo 2.2GHz and 4GB RAM and runs it all very smoothly!
Lorine Krattli
16.05.2011
It is very weird, all i can believe is my laptop is not good enough?! either that or i have a faulty LP which just crashes every now and again.

if you could do this mapping with lights off and have them come on (full colour not dimmed) when pressed I would love a copy to see if that helps. I am going to have another play around with this toevening when I get home from work in an hour so will see if there is anything else it could possibly be but its definitely something to do with the LED's on the LP as I couldnt use it fo r more than 15 minutes

does any know if traktor might cause the crash when asking for permission to access the trsuted zone when using AVG antivirus? reason I asked is I just remember when I was using this yesterday an avg button popped up asking for permission to access the trusted zone as I only istalled TP2 on Sunday and clicked yes and there has been no crashes since. might just be coincidence, will try with lights on and off toevening .,

failing this I might just buy a Midifighter if I can be bothered to wait for delviery to the uk!
Olene Minyard
16.05.2011
I'm gonna look into changing the colours etc. I'd prefer them to be full on and then change colour when used, rather than half on and then full on when used.

It's odd you still have issues. Mine works perfectly with Windows Home Premium 64 bit with Launchpad, VCI, Audio2DJ and external hard drive connected so plenty of USB messages going back and forth.
Lorine Krattli
16.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
On my install disc, I have the option to install any Windows 7 OS. However, it is then your key that licenses it. I believe that it you have a genuine licese key, you can then license any version of Windows 7 below that. That's how I installed Home Premium, even though I have a Ultimate license.
hi bunford,

tried it on W7 Home Premium 64bit, W7 Ultimate (32 and 64 bit) and it still crashes.

only way to stop crashes was to turn all LED's off. I started by turning off the phase monitors and this helped but still crashed.

I need someone to make a copy of this mapping BUT with LED's on permanently (e.g. they dont change from light led to solid led, they are on solid all of th time) so I can see the layout at least, if not going to have to learn the layout and use it with no LED's!!!
Olene Minyard
16.05.2011
Originally Posted by fdawg
I haven't got a copy of windows 7 home but have a copy of Windows XP pro which I am going to install on a partition with nothing else to see if it runs ok on XP, if not then I know it must be something other than the OS.
On my install disc, I have the option to install any Windows 7 OS. However, it is then your key that licenses it. I believe that it you have a genuine licese key, you can then license any version of Windows 7 below that. That's how I installed Home Premium, even though I have a Ultimate license.
Lorine Krattli
16.05.2011
right for those of you struggling with crashes like me and bunford where I have managed to find a solution......you have to turn all LED feedback off.

I have tried this mapping in 3 flavours of WIndows 7 (Ultimate 32 & 64 bit and Home Premium 64bit) and everytime I got a crash after about 10/15 minutes of use. first I tried just turning the beat phase monitor off which extended the use for about 30 minutes in total before full lock down. I eventually went through and turned all output led's off in the mapping and it worked completely stable for 1.5 hours with no crash or stutters. so it must be a an issue with the amount of info needed to update the the leds etc.

this leads on to another question...

WOuld someone with more knowledge of this mapping than me be able to change the origianl mapping so instead of the LED's going from light colour to solid colour when pressed could somone make a mapping where they are just on solid colour permanently? This will enable me to see what is what on the launchpad but the LEDS wont need to be updated which should stop the crashes?

if not i will just have to learn the mapping's layout with no led's!
Beata Barata
14.05.2011
Many thanks for this mapping.!
Lorine Krattli
13.05.2011
i should add i have even emailed novation to see if they know of any known issues with windows 7 ultimate 64bit and midi from the Launchpad BUT knowing novation and there lack of customer service ( i know a few people who have contacted them for issues and were all told "it cant be the launchpad as its a simple device so get a new laptop etc") I dont hold out much hope they will be able to help.
Lorine Krattli
13.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
I reported this problem a few posts back using Windows Ultimate 32 bit. Changed to Windows Home Premium 64 bit and then it works perfetly now.

I initially assumed it was a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue in Windows 7. However, you say you're using 64 bit.

Therefore, only thing I could narrow it down to is something is bloating Windows Ultimate version and causing this issues (another user had issues using Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit too).

Trying to find the issues could be like a needle in a hay stack! That's why I went for switching OS type to Home Premium. Do you actually need Ultimate version? Try Home Premium as it fixed the issues for me!
yes mate I am running on 64bit system and like you say I believe its something in Windows 7 that just cant handle all of the info from the Launchpad that it sending out and receving. I have read a few issues of midi issues with windows 7 but no solutions which is annoying.

another thing it might be is traktor 2 in 64 bit W7 but you say you are running it fine in this OS as previously I had traktor pro on a 32bit system so wondered if its worth rolling back?

I will even try it with the LED feedback off to see if it works without all of the pretty lights which would be good if its works but i like the lights!

I haven't got a copy of windows 7 home but have a copy of Windows XP pro which I am going to install on a partition with nothing else to see if it runs ok on XP, if not then I know it must be something other than the OS.

I thought it might have been my soundcard as well but putting some stupidly big latency to test this and it still does it even if i use my onbaord laptop one so its not that either.

its so frustrating becuase this would add sooooo much to my set up and i just knew it wouldnt work properly with my set up :eek:

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