The "club standard" CDJ. Lack of respect for controllerists. Why?

This whole, "turn up to the venue with headphones and a USB stick" attitude REALLY pisses me off. It's like saying, "I'm such a rockstar I can just show up and play any old crap and people will just have to be grateful". DJing isn't just blending two tracks together like it used to be in the vinyl days (unless you were a scratch DJ), in this day and age you're expected to be actually remixing tracks live on the fly; whether you use a 4 deck setup or 2 decks and samples/effects/Maschine/Ableton/etc, you're supposed to be creating something NEW, not just playing back someone else's mixes. How exactly are you supposed to accomplish that using a USB of MP3s and a pair of CDJs?

If you're not showing up to a venue with your own gear , you're not a DJ, you're a fucking jukebox.

Now, they're just overpriced, underspecced pieces of plastic only purchased by ignorant people and hipsters.

A high price tag does not equate to high quality, and it certainly doesn't equate to high FUNCTIONALITY. To pay

I don't know what's so funny? Last time I saw Skrillex live he was using just a laptop and an M-Audio Trigger Finger:

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Proof that you can rock with "cheap plastic" "non-PRO" gear.

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Skrillex uses a Mixtrack.

If you're so knowledgeable, please tell me exactly what a CDJ does better than a controller? Because having used both, I can tell you from my experience, the answer is "fuck all".

The ignorance coming from inexperienced DJs in this thread is horrendous.

You people are actually calling CDJ2000's inferior to an S4, because they don't have cheap little pots to control your Traktor effects? Have you ever touched one? The CDJ2000 is literally the highest-quality piece of DJ gear ever mass produced, and the S4 famously has among the worst build quality, even for an all-in-one controller. The CD2000 isn't MEANT to control traktor effects, it's meant to be a deck controller.

You're all addressing it like we're saying you should show up with CDs/thumbdrives and play on just the 2000's... No, you wankers, we're saying you should plug them into traktor as HID controllers, and bring supplemental controllers to do the things that the 2000's aren't designed to do. If you want knobs for FX control, bring a small controller with knobs, if you want cue points, bring a midi fighter, if you want a third and fourth track deck, bring Reloop Contours/ CMD PL-1's. This way you don't have reinvent the wheel, and bring in a cheap duplicate of the gear already there, just so you can use the secondary features built into it. You can easily replicate anything the S4 can do with a standard setup, and a couple of better-fitting, cheaper, higher-quality, and less intrusive controllers like Midi Fighters, Xone K2's, Behringer CMD controllers, Reloop contours, all of the korg micro controllers, etc. etc. etc.



Stop assuming that we're old traditional DJs just mixing tracks, and you're the next wave of DJ prodigies doing amazing tricks only possible with controllers... We're doing the same thing, we're just being smarter about it. We're doing exactly the same things (cue point juggling, FX combinations, sync tricks, etc.) also with controllers, we're just incorporating the gear that's already set up for our standard deck controls and mixer, because it makes more logistical sense.

This was a year or two ago. Maybe he has switched to other gear since then.

I'm having a massive wave of D

The ignorance coming from inexperienced DJs in this thread is horrendous.

You people are actually calling CDJ2000's inferior to an S4, because they don't have cheap little pots to control your Traktor effects? Have you ever touched one? The CDJ2000 is literally the highest-quality piece of DJ gear ever mass produced, and the S4 famously has atrocious build quality. The CD2000 isn't MEANT to control traktor effects, it's meant to be a deck controller.

You're all addressing it like we're saying you should show up with CDs/thumbdrives and play on just the 2000's... No, you wankers, we're saying you should plug them into traktor as HID controllers, and bring supplemental controllers to do the things that the 2000's aren't designed to do. If you want knobs for FX control, bring a small controller with knobs, if you want cue points, bring a midi fighter, if you want a third and fourth track deck, bring Reloop Contours/ CMD PL-1's. This way you don't have reinvent the wheel, and bring in a cheap duplicate of the gear already there, in order maintain control over traktor-specific things like FX.

Stop assuming that we're old traditional DJs just mixing tracks, and you're the next wave of DJ prodigies doing amazing tricks only possible with controllers... We're doing the same thing, we're just being smarter about it. We're doing exactlythe same things (cue point juggling, FX combinations, sync tricks, etc. )also with controllers, we're just incorporating the gear that's already set up for our standard deck controls and mixer, because it makes more logistical sense.

Dubfire both play with an S4. They actually carry their S4 around with them.

So your basically saying all clubs should get rid of cdjs and everyone should either get a controller or learn to use the controller the club has installed?

No need to go get the cdj2000 but why not use them if they are already in the booth at the club you play?

The only time I feel annoyed at a dj using traktor or any other software that has sync functionality is when im not hearing something special, when its not dynamic... Im not talking about beatmashing and juggling and all that jarg, I jsut feel that if you have that tool and you've gone to the trouble of setting up your gear, you could bring a little something, something for the haters to go "hey that was cool, really difficult to get that out of a cdj"

my suggestion, even if you dont want to try cdj's, at least mix externally.... mixing internally is rubbish by comparison.

If I bring my laptop then I'm bringing Traktor and I'm showing these HID/DVS momo's how we do it in 2013.