Calvin Harris
and Dillon Francis
worked there... no way!
| The "club standard" CDJ. Lack of respect for controllerists. Why? I recently talked to a really skilled / established DJ and producer. I asked him what gear
he uses, and he said CDJs. When I told him I used a controller, he laughed then apologized, saying the standard was CDJs or Technics in the clubs/gigs he played at, and that barely anyone ever uses a controller, because no one takes them seriously. He agreed that controllers were good for an introduction to DJing though.
Why do CDJs command more respect? Is it because of the lack of sync? (which isnt the case anymore because new CDJs have it, rekordbox, etc..)
Are established DJs expected to "pay their way" by buying full CDJ/DJM setups before they're given respect / gigs, even if they can produce the same quality sound with a controller?
Do controllers give off some sort of "toy" aura? To me, some of them do, but they are only intended for an introduction anyway. A controller like a Kontrol S4 seems to me like professional gear
. I've heard mixes produced on S4s that sound better than guys with CDJ/DJM/Technics/pimp-ass setups.
In the end, I believe respect should be given to people who make good sounding music. But I feel like there is this "pay your way" mentality from established DJs who don't want guys with controllers to show them up if their music is better.
But I don't have the experience to know for sure. Why aren't controllerists given the same respect as a CDJ/technics user? | Harley Zitka
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by LoopCat
I believe allot of DJ's don't understand the need to bring a controller into the booth when there's everything you need to mix tracks in the booth already and in some ways I agree with them.
Basically I believe if you aren't bringing anything creative in your mixes that you can't do with the gear
in a decked out booth you are sharing with others leave the controller at home and learn to adapt. If your playing a live set bring your laptop and launch pad or if you really want to use Trakor try HID on the CDJ's.
This.
I put on my own events, and provide my CDJ-2000's and either my Z2 mixer or XONE 92 for the other DJ's to use. It drives me nuts for someone to roll up and want me to move one of the CDJ's out of the way for him to plug in his Hercules controller. | Rachael Tureson
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by LoopCat
I believe allot of DJ's don't understand the need to bring a controller into the booth when there's everything you need to mix tracks in the booth already and in some ways I agree with them.
Personally unless I was planing on performing in a way that really required a controller and software and I couldn't do it with CDJ's and TT's I don't believe I would bother especially if I was mixing internally in Traktor when there's an external 4 channel mixer already there.. that really baffles me why people would do that. The chances of things going wrong increase when you're plugging/unplugging things adding and laptop in the mix adds another whole element unpredictability.
Obviously depending on the environment different gear
is more viable - Something like a lounge bar gig once a week with no real booth would lend it's self more towards something like an S2 and laptop.
Basically I believe if you aren't bringing anything creative in your mixes that you can't do with the gear
in a decked out booth you are sharing with others leave the controller at home and learn to adapt. If your playing a live set bring your laptop and launch pad or if you really want to use Trakor try HID on the CDJ's.
A+ for most sensical post
now that that's said though, those of us who don't have a club set up at home, there's the worry of using something (i'm going to switch to *i* here, i don't want to speak for "every" traktor dj) that i haven't practiced on a whole bunch. even though i play every weekend (maybe skipping one a month or so), the first time i plug the audio 8 into the cjds is still going to be my first time doing this, and welp that's a huge huge risk.
i'm going to answer my own question here by saying i suppose i could hang out at whichever venue seems chillest with someone mucking about in the dj booth at 4pm and fiddle with stuff- but i guess what i'm asking is, are there any of you who play cdjs at clubs and don't have that as a home setup, if so, how do you get your practice on- what was the context in which you played cdjs for the first time etc | Alphonso Deitchman
06.03.2013 | This is more my idea of what a DJ booth should look like:
Not specifically the CDJs, but a nice closed off area rather than a wooden box in a corner.
But even the small sideroom that barely gets used has a couple 1000s with a Xone 92. | Julissa Serrone
06.03.2013 | Now having said that....I do see midi controllers often (not all the time) at places like restaurants that play music late at evening
where the DJ has to bring his own gear
and no one bats an eye at what he's using. If it was me playing at spot like that, i'd do the same. | Ming Devis
06.03.2013 | I believe allot of DJ's don't understand the need to bring a controller into the booth when there's everything you need to mix tracks in the booth already and in some ways I agree with them.
Personally unless I was planing on performing in a way that really required a controller and software and I couldn't do it with CDJ's and TT's I don't believe I would bother especially if I was mixing internally in Traktor when there's an external 4 channel mixer already there.. that really baffles me why people would do that. The chances of things going wrong increase when you're plugging/unplugging things adding and laptop in the mix adds another whole element unpredictability.
Obviously depending on the environment different gear
is more viable - Something like a lounge bar gig once a week with no real booth would lend it's self more towards something like an S2 and laptop.
Basically I believe if you aren't bringing anything creative in your mixes that you can't do with the gear
in a decked out booth you are sharing with others leave the controller at home and learn to adapt. If your playing a live set bring your laptop and launch pad or if you really want to use Trakor try HID on the CDJ's. | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
Ok no offense, this is meant in a constructive manner and after seeing those pictures it puts many things in perspective......but if that was the "club" that I had available to me in my area to play at, I would probably prefer one of my midi controllers over that gear
as well.
To put things in another perspective I live in Miami, even the crappiest smallest bar I know has CDJ800's and a DJM800, another small bar has a TTM-57 and CDJ 850's. The place I'm playing at Saturday has available a DJM900 and two CDJ2000's or two 1200's, just tell the sound guy and he hooks it up. NO ONE in Miami going to a major club would tell the sound guy not to set that up because he's bringing a midi controller. The few times I've seen "local" guys on a controller is with X1's and the house mixer, and that's just the handful that I see using Traktor. Around here Serato and house set up is the weapon of choice and the evening
life isnt' too bad around here.
That's crazy ... I just can't imagine that. I know I'm in a city and everything, but in some situations - like this one - it just feels like a tiny bloody town sometimes lol. We've got 2 MAJOR clubs (capacities of over 1000), and the rest are either bars or hybrid bar/restaurants (food from midday-->8, then the furniture gets moved, the lights off, and the music on until 3am) with a capacity of around 500. And with the exception of that outdoor venue I posted a photo of the booth, I haven't seen a pair of CDJs being used in ANY of them in the 18 months I've been doing photography in this area (and I've covered pretty much every venue in this city at one time or another).
I don't know if it's specifically something with this city, or if it's due to the ingress of "bar culture" on the clubs, but EVERY DJ who plays a venue here brings their own kit with them, and typically it's an all-in-one controller of some sort.
Saying that, there IS one venue (a kinda niche dubstep/"underground house" [whatever the hell that is]) venue where I saw a pair of turntables in their outdoor section, although I have no idea if they were provided by the venue or owned by the DJ performing that evening
.
All I can say for certain is, after seeing the gear which IS usually in place (mixer, and if you're lucky those rackmount Denon CDJs - or something worse) and the condition its usually in, I would never dream of not bringing my own kit with me, whatever that kit may be. | Nedra Fresneda
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Eating popcorn
It hasn't gotten that out of hand has it?
Not yet, but it's closing in. No need to mention names. | Julissa Serrone
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Of all the residents I know in my area, only ONE of them specifically prefers CDJs; he's got a pair of 2000s which he brings with him each evening
. The rest all prefer controllers, by far. Come to believe of it, ALL the DJs I know - bar one - prefer controllers. The mix is pretty broad amongst brand of controllers used, but primarily they're Traktor fans, with a couple of Serato fanboys thrown in.
I'm the only Reloop whore, although mostly because nobody's upgraded their gear since seeing mine lol. Got a couple of friends looking at the Contour and TM2/4 as their next purchases, purely because they've had a go on mine and preferred it to their own gear.
Ok no offense, this is meant in a constructive manner and after seeing those pictures it puts many things in perspective......but if that was the "club" that I had available to me in my area to play at, I would probably prefer one of my midi controllers over that gear
as well.
To put things in another perspective I live in Miami, even the crappiest smallest bar I know has CDJ800's and a DJM800, another small bar has a TTM-57 and CDJ 850's. The place I'm playing at Saturday has available a DJM900 and two CDJ2000's or two 1200's, just tell the sound guy and he hooks it up. NO ONE in Miami going to a major club would tell the sound guy not to set that up because he's bringing a midi controller. The few times I've seen "local" guys on a controller is with X1's and the house mixer, and that's just the handful that I see using Traktor. Around here Serato and house set up is the weapon of choice and the evening
life isnt' too bad around here. | Valene Guasp
06.03.2013 | He would have to specifically prefer them, to carry 3ks worth of stuff to a gig to risk some idiot causing him a lot of hassle and cash lol
I know obviously people are using laptops at gigs, myself included but they are usually out of the way of pissed twats! | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jeff Scott
If you asked the djs who you have taken photos of "If the club bought cdjs and decent mixers would you still bring controllers?"
I wonder what the answer would be?
I'v been a DJ and sound/lights guy actively working in a lot of different clubs for 13 year and you must live on a different planet to me!
Of all the residents I know in my area, only ONE of them specifically prefers CDJs; he's got a pair of 2000s which he brings with him each evening
. The rest all prefer controllers, by far. Come to believe of it, ALL the DJs I know - bar one - prefer controllers. The mix is pretty broad amongst brand of controllers used, but primarily they're Traktor fans, with a couple of Serato fanboys thrown in.
I'm the only Reloop whore, although mostly because nobody's upgraded their gear since seeing mine lol. Got a couple of friends looking at the Contour and TM2/4 as their next purchases, purely because they've had a go on mine and preferred it to their own gear. | Valene Guasp
06.03.2013 | If you asked the djs who you have taken photos of "If the club bought cdjs and decent mixers would you still bring controllers?"
I wonder what the answer would be?
I'v been a DJ and sound/lights guy actively working in a lot of different clubs for 13 year and you must live on a different planet to me! | Jerica Salava
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Traktor has 8 cue/loop points, no way of skipping through different tracks, and no real institutionalized way to scrub through a track without using a mouse or a preset cue.
CDJ's have, since 2001, had 10 cues/loops, and 3 completely separate ones that can be loaded absolutely, allowing you to jump between 3 different tracks on command. As well as the actual ability to rip through a track to make a new cue without having to resort to the mouse. Beyond those advantages, controllers somewhat see eye-to eye with CDJs, they dont really surpass it at all.
Who cares what the casing is made from? If your stuff isn't in a flight case, you deserve to have it broken. Every single stress point (pots and switches) on Pioneer gear is pure metal, designed to be segmented, protected, and as lightweight as possible, making it pretty much indestructible in use. I can't even recall how many budget controllers with snapped off plastic stems and sunken directly-mounted switches I've seen.
Oh look, a bunch of bars with no real event staff or budget, Ive seen tons of those before. I can point to tons of shitholes with aging hardware and clueless staff, it doesn't make them the prophets of the new DJing world.
Pioneer used to make mediocre stereo gear
. They haven't changed.
When mixers where hot Vestax and Rane use to make better mixers than Pioneer.
> | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Traktor has 8 cue/loop points, no way of skipping through different tracks, and no real institutionalized way to scrub through a track without using a mouse or a preset cue.
It's called the "Seek Position" function; mappable to any control or combination thereof. You could map it to a knob, an encoder, your jogwheel, etc etc. I personally have mine set up so that by holding the dedicated Track Search button, roughly a half-turn of the jogwheel will get me from the start of the track to the end, depending on the track length. You clearly know bugger all about MIDI controllers.
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Oh look, a bunch of bars with no real event staff or budget, Ive seen tons of those before. I can point to tons of shitholes with aging hardware and clueless staff, it doesn't make them the prophets of the new DJing world.
The first three photos are from a 3-floor, 1200 capacity club, not a bar. The last photo is from a 600 capacity al fresco house music venue which pulls in customers from all over the midlands. Stop being so clueless. | Nancey Inderlied
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
See that just shows your ignorance right there, in BOTH paragraphs.
Secondly, how the hell does a CDJ have "far more mixing ability than any DVS or controller"? And what plastic stress points are you talking about? Both Reloop and Vestax gear is constructed from metal, unlike Pioneer gear...
Traktor has 8 cue/loop points, no way of skipping through different tracks, and no real institutionalized way to scrub through a track without using a mouse or a preset cue.
CDJ's have, since 2001, had 10 cues/loops, and 3 completely separate ones that can be loaded absolutely, allowing you to jump between 3 different tracks on command. As well as the actual ability to rip through a track to make a new cue without having to resort to the mouse. Beyond those advantages, controllers somewhat see eye-to eye with CDJs, they dont really surpass it at all.
Who cares what the casing is made from? If your stuff isn't in a flight case, you deserve to have it broken. Every single stress point (pots and switches) on Pioneer gear is pure metal, designed to be segmented, protected, and as lightweight as possible, making it pretty much indestructible in use. I can't even recall how many budget controllers with snapped off plastic stems and sunken directly-mounted switches I've seen.
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Incidentally, this is what almost every DJ booth looks like where I live:
http://i.imgur.com/4GZ4scg.jpg[/IMG]
Note the complete lack of Pioneer CDJs.
Here's another booth (3rd floor) in the same club:
http://i.imgur.com/igi7Mdm.jpg[/IMG]
And the same booth, this time with our Saturday evening
resident... what does he do? Oh look, VCI-300.
http://i.imgur.com/RsUfZTq.jpg[/IMG]
Even in the ONLY club in this city that has CDJs, look what's being used by the headline act on Saturdays:
http://i.imgur.com/dsHcx4C.jpg[/IMG]
Seriously, if you believe controllers aren't used in clubs these days, you're fucking delusional.
Oh look, a bunch of bars with no real event staff or budget, Ive seen tons of those before. I can point to tons of shitholes with aging hardware and clueless staff, it doesn't make them the prophets of the new DJing world. | Elvis Woodis
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
This thread shouldnt have even been allowed to remain open after the original post......Mods....where u at?
Agreed.
Close please mods. | Alphonso Deitchman
06.03.2013 | Eating popcorn
It hasn't gotten that out of hand has it? | Addie Engbrecht
06.03.2013 | This thread shouldnt have even been allowed to remain open after the original post......Mods....where u at? | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
You seem to believe that nobody in the UK uses CDJs, and that the only way to become a "DJ" is to jump around slamming a beatmasher to "remix a track on the fly." Really educated, down to earth perspective there, I'll be sure to remind every single resident and festival jock I know that they're not DJs because some MIDIphile Reloop shill says so.
I'll have to do that after I call Pioneer to inform them that their CDJs, which have far more mixing ability than any DVS or controller on the market and last upwards of a decade in positive environments, are outdated rubbish in the face of a horde of Chinese MIDI boxes with plastic stress points and a year or so of usage life. Im really glad you were able to enlighten me to all of this.
See that just shows your ignorance right there, in BOTH paragraphs.
Firstly, I never mentioned beatmasher (an effect I almost NEVER use, incidentally), or "jumping around". And in case you hadn't noticed, this is DJTechTools, a site PRIMARILY about MIDI controllers. Might want to consider going somewhere else if you hate MIDI so much.
Secondly, how the hell does a CDJ have "far more mixing ability than any DVS or controller"? And what plastic stress points are you talking about? Both Reloop and Vestax gear is constructed from metal, unlike Pioneer gear...
Incidentally, this is what almost every DJ booth looks like where I live:
Note the complete lack of Pioneer CDJs.
Here's another booth (3rd floor) in the same club:
And the same booth, this time with our Saturday evening
resident... what does he do? Oh look, VCI-300.
Even in the ONLY club in this city that has CDJs, look what's being used by the headline act on Saturdays:
Seriously, if you believe controllers aren't used in clubs these days, you're delusional. | Nancey Inderlied
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Ah yes, because you know exactly what experience I've had, don't you.
You seem to believe that nobody in the UK uses CDJs, and that the only way to become a "DJ" is to jump around slamming a beatmasher to "remix a track on the fly." Really educated, down to earth perspective there, I'll be sure to remind every single resident and festival jock I know that they're not DJs because some MIDIphile Reloop shill says so.
I'll have to do that after I call Pioneer to inform them that their CDJs, which have far more mixing ability than any DVS or controller on the market and last upwards of a decade in positive environments, are outdated rubbish in the face of a horde of Chinese MIDI boxes with plastic stress points and a year or so of usage life. Im really glad you were able to enlighten me to all of this. | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Not a bad solution, some use decksavers to do the same.
Occasionally I have the same issue with built-in mixers, usually 19" rackmount ones which are countersunk into the booth. They don't stick up THAT much, but you've got knobs + faders above the rest of the desk, and the feet on controllers are pretty much non-existent. In that case, I use a pair of foam blocks cut to the depth of the controller about 3 inches wide which sit either side of the mixer | Alphonso Deitchman
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
it's easy to make a removable platform that goes over the CDJ's
Not a bad solution, some use decksavers to do the same. | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I dont even know where to start with this, you must not have a lot of experience with the whole "actual DJ scene" thing. All I know is every time I believe about problems DJ culture faces, it's this kind of attitude that comes up firmly, and every time I have an issue with a certified twat at an event, I can usually trace it back to this line of believeing. Get over yourself, you're not a producer, you're not a famous mashup artist, and you're not the harbinger of the future of DJing; you're a borderline Reloop shill with a genuine lack of understanding of how the world works and a rage and vitriol level that makes me look like Mr. Rogers.
No, you didn't, and no, they're not.
Ah yes, because you know exactly what experience I've had, don't you. | Nancey Inderlied
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This whole, "turn up to the venue with headphones and a USB stick" attitude REALLY pisses me off. It's like saying, "I'm such a rockstar I can just show up and play any old crap and people will just have to be grateful". DJing isn't just blending two tracks together like it used to be in the vinyl days (unless you were a scratch DJ), in this day and age you're expected to be actually remixing tracks live on the fly; whether you use a 4 deck setup or 2 decks and samples/effects/Maschine/Ableton/etc, you're supposed to be creating something NEW, not just playing back someone else's mixes. How exactly are you supposed to accomplish that using a USB of MP3s and a pair of CDJs?
If you're not showing up to a venue with your own gear
, you're not a DJ, you're a fucking jukebox.
I dont even know where to start with this, you must not have a lot of experience with the whole "actual DJ scene" thing. All I know is every time I believe about problems DJ culture faces, it's this kind of attitude that comes up firmly, and every time I have an issue with a certified twat at an event, I can usually trace it back to this line of believeing. Get over yourself, you're not a producer, you're not a famous mashup artist, and you're not the harbinger of the future of DJing; you're a borderline Reloop shill with a genuine lack of understanding of how the world works and a rage and vitriol level that makes me look like Mr. Rogers.
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This. I started on Vinyl, skipped CDJs entirely, and then went to Traktor + MIDI. CDJs made sense when they were peoples' only alternative to vinyl, because it meant you had less stuff to carry to the venue. Now, they're just overpriced, underspecced pieces of plastic only purchased by ignorant people and hipsters.
No, you didn't, and no, they're not. | Jerica Salava
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
I don't believe attaching a cable to a mixer is what makes setting up a controller in a booth difficult. Many booths have been constructed to fit CDJs/turntables and there simply isn't space to fit any big controllers in, and they won't be happy with you shifting around their expensive gear when another DJ can just throw a CD in and go.
Sound cards like an SL4 or A10 are sometimes installed in the booth which helps with the cabling issues.
it's easy to make a removable platform that goes over the CDJ's | Alphonso Deitchman
06.03.2013 | I don't believe attaching a cable to a mixer is what makes setting up a controller in a booth difficult. Many booths have been constructed to fit CDJs/turntables and there simply isn't space to fit any big controllers in, and they won't be happy with you shifting around their expensive gear when another DJ can just throw a CD in and go.
Sound cards like an SL4 or A10 are sometimes installed in the booth which helps with the cabling issues. | Mariko Oppenhuizen
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
Industries are naturally resistant to change. Technology is reducing the barriers to entry in the DJ industry and the incumbents are naturally upset because it makes their lives harder.
It's nothing personal... Just a little thing called technological progress.
The only valid reason for looking down on controllers is because of the lack of troubleshooting knowledge most DJ's have. If I were a club owner, I would certainly prefer the DJ's use my pre-configured setup than start messing with the wires and the settings, only to call on my help when they screw up.
One thing's that club's could do to make things easier for things like this would be to get a pair RCA male to RCA female. plug them into whatever channel on the mixer isn't being use, or if they have 4 CDJ's they could just plug it into the line in rather then cd in on the mixer. putting that cable some place that is secure and easy to access.
By doing this, the peeps who show up to the club and have there own gear
ie. soundcard / controller, They can plug into that line, not have to mess about behind the mixer and just flip a switch if need be.
hell, Do it for all 4 channels.
Problem solved. | Erica Charvet
06.03.2013 | Industries are naturally resistant to change. Technology is reducing the barriers to entry in the DJ industry and the incumbents are naturally upset because it makes their lives harder.
It's nothing personal... Just a little thing called technological progress.
The only valid reason for looking down on controllers is because of the lack of troubleshooting knowledge most DJ's have. If I were a club owner, I would certainly prefer the DJ's use my pre-configured setup than start messing with the wires and the settings, only to call on my help when they screw up. |
06.03.2013 | Ewwww Morillo and Space... | Elvis Woodis
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
I'm pretty sure he didn't "gig" with the S4, only did promotion work for NI using it.....which worked perferctly for NI because folks just continued to assume that's what a big name DJ uses and post on community
s as truth.
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/...dubfire-512701
I watched him, at Space, using an S4. Twice. So yes he did. | Elvis Woodis
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
Nowhere in that entire post did I say "CDJs are better than controllers"
In fact, I VERY OBVIOUSLY advocated for the use of controllers along WITH CDJs.
My whole post was about how specifically all-in-one controllers are inferior.
What I'm actually saying is that a versatile modular setup designed to incorporate CDJs is more practical, and because of how well the modular concept lends itself to customization, it's also generally more fufilling to the DJ. I also said that CDJ2000's are of vastly higher build quality than all-in-one controllers (by a smaller margin with the DDJ-SX). Using higher-quality gear is definitely "better". I'll even give an example of a way this build quality will even affect how you sound. One way build-quality is obvious is with backspin. On a CDJ2000, you can get a really fast backspin with a long tail, because the high-end jogwheels have ball bearings, in order to send very expressive control data to traktor. The S4 has the crappiest jogwheels I've probably ever seen (I own an S4, by the way), and you can't get backspin nearly as nice out of it, no matter what you do with mapping.
If you backspin you don't deserve to be behind a pair of CDJ's. | Julissa Serrone
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
So my bias against those who turn up to a venue with a USB stick is quite, quite justified.
EDIT: Unless, of course, you're a scratch DJ. But that's a whole different kettle of fish.
I saw Erick Morillo live a few weeks ago at Story in Miami. He used his USB stick with three CDJ's and DJM 2000. He layered acapellas over tracks, used plenty of cue points, had loops running, and the used perfect amount of effects. Place was sold out and he dropped a great set. | Kathe Stump
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Wrong.
And I still say using a CDJ - even in HID mode - is just a waste of space in the booth. It gives you a RIDICULOUSLY limited set of transport controls. You could use a single Reloop Contour with Traktor and do more than you could with a pair of CDJs. And the Contour will only set you back | Jeffrey Akinsanya
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Actually, I was one of those people who used to have to turn up to a venue with a stack of vinyl. I also used to take an Electribe EM-1 with me to assist with live remixes. The point is, these days things have advanced to the point where simply taking your music on (insert relevant storage medium - vinyl, minidisc, cd, SD card, usb stick) and playing A-->B, B-->A using a set of TTs or CDJs just doesn't cut it anymore.
So my bias against those who turn up to a venue with a USB stick is quite, quite justified.
EDIT: Unless, of course, you're a scratch DJ. But that's a whole different kettle of fish.
ok very creative depends on style!
i believe your missing the point tho.. the FOMAT doesnt matter.. back in the day dj's used to have DUBPLATES now this isnt needed due to the FORMAT.
its never been so easy to redit a track or create your own mash up and transfer it on a usb and play it to a crowd... or jsut have a unique collection of music that doesn't need to be mashed up live!
totally depends on your style.
look at the Pioneer RMX-1000 vst style external effects unit can be totally customisable only retricted by creativity same shizzle different FORMAT | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
LOL -
What a load of bollocks!
you clearly from a another generation and don't know your history...!
what do you believe DJ's used before CD's/USB... VINYL!
what would a DJ turn up to a club with VINYL!
so are you saying all these people are no longer dj's because they haven't used the beat masher? im not evan going to name dj names i'll be here all day!
its the same shit different FORMAT.
things are just evolved and there are more than one option become a dj
Actually, I was one of those people who used to have to turn up to a venue with a stack of vinyl. I also used to take an Electribe EM-1 with me to assist with live remixes. The point is, these days things have advanced to the point where simply taking your music on (insert relevant storage medium - vinyl, minidisc, cd, SD card, usb stick) and playing A-->B, B-->A using a set of TTs or CDJs just doesn't cut it anymore.
So my bias against those who turn up to a venue with a USB stick is quite, quite justified.
EDIT: Unless, of course, you're a scratch DJ. But that's a whole different kettle of fish. | Jeffrey Akinsanya
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This whole, "turn up to the venue with headphones and a USB stick" attitude REALLY pisses me off. It's like saying, "I'm such a rockstar I can just show up and play any old crap and people will just have to be grateful". DJing isn't just blending two tracks together like it used to be in the vinyl days (unless you were a scratch DJ), in this day and age you're expected to be actually remixing tracks live on the fly; whether you use a 4 deck setup or 2 decks and samples/effects/Maschine/Ableton/etc, you're supposed to be creating something NEW, not just playing back someone else's mixes. How exactly are you supposed to accomplish that using a USB of MP3s and a pair of CDJs?
If you're not showing up to a venue with your own gear
, you're not a DJ, you're a fucking jukebox.
This. I started on Vinyl, skipped CDJs entirely, and then went to Traktor + MIDI. CDJs made sense when they were peoples' only alternative to vinyl, because it meant you had less stuff to carry to the venue. Now, they're just overpriced, underspecced pieces of plastic only purchased by ignorant people and hipsters.
LOL -
What a load of bollocks!
you clearly from a another generation and don't know your history...!
what do you believe DJ's used before CD's/USB... VINYL!
what would a DJ turn up to a club with VINYL!
so are you saying all these people are no longer dj's because they haven't used the beat masher? im not evan going to name dj names i'll be here all day!
its the same shit different FORMAT.
things are just evolved and there are more than one option become a dj
and for the record scratch dj's dont normally "blend" | Mariko Oppenhuizen
06.03.2013 | Can't wait for the iPad(tablet) vs controller debate to start.. that will be a more entertaining thread to read.
I can't wait to see people showing up to play raves with this: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmix/ | Doreen Schurle
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
nobody in this entire discussion has said that people should be using CDJs as anything but HID controllers We are not the people you're talking about. Everyone in this discussion has advocated using modular controllers along with CDJs in HID mode. Do you not understand what HID mode is maybe?
Wrong.
Originally Posted by haze324
What a standard set up does is just that. It gives folks a standard to set up to play on and a controller DOES NOT offer than. You can play at any large venue with a USB and headphones.
Some folks just don't get it.
And I still say using a CDJ - even in HID mode - is just a waste of space in the booth. It gives you a RIDICULOUSLY limited set of transport controls. You could use a single Reloop Contour with Traktor and do more than you could with a pair of CDJs. And the Contour will only set you back | Julissa Serrone
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
Yeah man. I remember the first time I looped on the fly on an SL-1200. You gotta be real quick.
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Your glass must always be half empty. I'm pretty sure his quote referred to CDJ's. | Toya Spor
06.03.2013 | Well, looks like I'll be buying CDJs. | Jerica Salava
06.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
I believe you are limited by your creativity not the gear
man.
Yeah man. I remember the first time I looped on the fly on an SL-1200. You gotta be real quick.
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