Calvin Harris
and Dillon Francis
worked there... no way!
| The "club standard" CDJ. Lack of respect for controllerists. Why? I recently talked to a really skilled / established DJ and producer. I asked him what gear
he uses, and he said CDJs. When I told him I used a controller, he laughed then apologized, saying the standard was CDJs or Technics in the clubs/gigs he played at, and that barely anyone ever uses a controller, because no one takes them seriously. He agreed that controllers were good for an introduction to DJing though.
Why do CDJs command more respect? Is it because of the lack of sync? (which isnt the case anymore because new CDJs have it, rekordbox, etc..)
Are established DJs expected to "pay their way" by buying full CDJ/DJM setups before they're given respect / gigs, even if they can produce the same quality sound with a controller?
Do controllers give off some sort of "toy" aura? To me, some of them do, but they are only intended for an introduction anyway. A controller like a Kontrol S4 seems to me like professional gear
. I've heard mixes produced on S4s that sound better than guys with CDJ/DJM/Technics/pimp-ass setups.
In the end, I believe respect should be given to people who make good sounding music. But I feel like there is this "pay your way" mentality from established DJs who don't want guys with controllers to show them up if their music is better.
But I don't have the experience to know for sure. Why aren't controllerists given the same respect as a CDJ/technics user? | Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Terminal Mix looks solid for sure. But the CD players are very budget oriented, as reflected by their reviews.
Well ellaskins seemed pretty impressed with them, which is good enough for me tbh! I need to see if I can get hold of a pair at some point to see for myself, ideally without having to pay for them as I'm currently skint lol. | Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | Terminal Mix looks solid for sure. But the CD players are very budget oriented, as reflected by their reviews. | Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Those Reloop CD players you suggested are plastic pieces of junk.
Well technically they're plastic over a metal chassis, similar construction to the Pioneer CDJs, just sturdier. All their controllers are metal though The Terminal Mix 4 weighs a TON. | Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Steve Zorilow
Makar1, Did you ever work with any of those Denon, Numark (says CDN-8) or any format like this before. I agree, if you really need to use the jogwhel to scratch or juggling those rackmount one will be a pain, but how many use the jog only to cue the track, then they smash cue/pause button? For that, no way you absolutely need those CDJ jog. Maybe because I already work with hat kind of CD player (Hands up who remember DN-2000f) or, simply, I'm just too old to understand
Yeah I've used rack mount CD players before.
You're either expected to bring your own gear, in which case they'll make that clear. Or the club provides turntables or proper CD players. Just sounds like a lack of proper communication to me.
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
See, that's why if you want decent DJ hardware, you go Vestax (not a personal favourite of mine, despite the excellent build quality - it's the layout which bugs me) or Reloop All-metal construction beats plastic every single time.
Those Reloop CD players you suggested are plastic pieces of junk.
Originally Posted by loverocket
I'll drop my Vestax VCM-100 from 6 feet onto concrete and you drop your Pioneer CDJ-2000 and we'll see who has the toy.
Then after you dump the CDJ-2000 into the garbage you can bring over the AERO, then the DDJ-SX, etc.
Pioneer makes good stuff but don't keep sending them to the top of the mountain on build quality.
It's all plastic shit.
>
The old VCI/VCM 100s are the best built controllers I've seen so far. And the DDJ-SX is one of the top controllers on the market right now - some way ahead of anything Vestax has out at the moment. | Ming Devis
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Then guess what - don't take the job. Seriously that DJ sounds totally unprofessional. It's one thing if you can't do it - you brought your vinyl collection and they only have CD players at the club - but bitching about what kind of CD player they have is silly. That Denon is a crappy layout made for wedding DJs, but it's a workhorse and it plays CDs, and it has all the buttons and knobs you really need even if it's no fun to use. Suck it up and play the gig unless you're a superstar and you put it on your rider. But for a substitute DJ to whine that he doesn't know how to use the player - shit, bring your own CDJ-2000s to the club, or figure out that the button with the little triangle on it is the play button and get to work.
That's it. A professional should know how to adapt to different gear especially when its something as simple as a CDJ. If you know how to beat match it shouldn't be hard to get around a any CDJ or turntable | Danae Dumler
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
I doubt any DJ would appreciate being asked to mix on gear they are unfamiliar with.
Then guess what - don't take the job. Seriously that DJ sounds totally unprofessional. It's one thing if you can't do it - you brought your vinyl collection and they only have CD players at the club - but bitching about what kind of CD player they have is silly. That Denon is a crappy layout made for wedding DJs, but it's a workhorse and it plays CDs, and it has all the buttons and knobs you really need even if it's no fun to use. Suck it up and play the gig unless you're a superstar and you put it on your rider. But for a substitute DJ to whine that he doesn't know how to use the player - shit, bring your own CDJ-2000s to the club, or figure out that the button with the little triangle on it is the play button and get to work. | Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
I'll drop my Vestax VCM-100 from 6 feet onto concrete and you drop your Pioneer CDJ-2000 and we'll see who has the toy.
Then after you dump the CDJ-2000 into the garbage you can bring over the AERO, then the DDJ-SX, etc.
Pioneer makes good stuff but don't keep sending them to the top of the mountain on build quality.
It's all plastic shit.
>
See, that's why if you want decent DJ hardware, you go Vestax (not a personal favourite of mine, despite the excellent build quality - it's the layout which bugs me) or Reloop All-metal construction beats plastic every single time. | Lisa Lochotzki
13.03.2013 | Makar1, Did you ever work with any of those Denon, Numark (says CDN-8) or any format like this before. I agree, if you really need to use the jogwhel to scratch or juggling those rackmount one will be a pain, but how many use the jog only to cue the track, then they smash cue/pause button? For that, no way you absolutely need those CDJ jog. Maybe because I already work with hat kind of CD player (Hands up who remember DN-2000f) or, simply, I'm just too old to understand | Jerica Salava
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
Brilliant.
Controllers are good for what they are. But most of them out there are toys. The really special ones, seem to all be made by Pioneer. I was only really going to consider the SX or the Aero. .
I'll drop my Vestax VCM-100 from 6 feet onto concrete and you drop your Pioneer CDJ-2000 and we'll see who has the toy.
Then after you dump the CDJ-2000 into the garbage you can bring over the AERO, then the DDJ-SX, etc.
Pioneer makes good stuff but don't keep sending them to the top of the mountain on build quality.
It's all plastic shit.
> | Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
The club I work at got a temporary DJ to cover our regular in the second room. He didn't know how to use a Denon
DN-HC4500 and demanded we hire CDJ's and our boss bent over backwards to get them for him. I nearly shat myself with anger.
The HC4500s are better than the 4500s we've got at our club, they're still nasty. I wouldn't mix on them if you paid me.
But still, the phrase "fuck off and buy yourself a controller" springs to mind... If I was your manager, I'd have used that exact phrase. | Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | It's pretty much like asking him to use a $100 controller with the size of the jogs, pitch faders, and those small rubber buttons. | Lisa Lochotzki
13.03.2013 | In this specific case, it's a tad of snobbery if you ask me. Well, it's not like a TurnTable VS CD, or an old GEMINI cd player. I mean there's by far worst piece of gear 'round than this Denon. Play/Pause pitch, track+, track-, pitch bend... what else do you need?
Oh well, as long as everyone's happy | Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | I doubt any DJ would appreciate being asked to mix on gear they are unfamiliar with. | Jetta Drenzek
13.03.2013 | The club I work at got a temporary DJ to cover our regular in the second room. He didn't know how to use a Denon
DN-HC4500 and demanded we hire CDJ's and our boss bent over backwards to get them for him. I nearly shat myself with anger. | Lashawn Maycock
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DubluW
How can you say the UK scene is a joke, then say you don't actually go to a lot of clubs anyway?!?!?!?!
I believe the UK has, hands down, the most varied and interesting club culture throughout the world!
I believe London has some of the best going with Egg, pacha, MOS, Fabric and Cable to name but a few big hitters, all with varied evening
s within their respective Genre's. Hell, even the clubs that closed down were awesome (R.I.P The End) That's without even touching places like Shoreditch, camden and clapham for all the smaller venues. Boiler room was made here!!!! I live in london, so that's my speciality, but not to forget gatecrasher, Cream etc in Liverpool/Birmingham.
And the festivals. We kick ass at festivals, and have acts from the UK travelling worldwide at other festivals and Ibiza etc. I will see Irration steppas at outlook if it kills me someday!
Originally Posted by iambiggles
Crazy eh? I mean, you don't even actually have to go out, just looking at RA or (at a push) mixmag would tell you that the dance scene in the UK is pretty much second to none for variety and proliferation.
Amen, to that | Lillia Datson
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
Yeah, but you're not going around stating the most ridiculous things as fact
This is true.
I will state for a fact though (back on topic) that if for whatever reason i decided to want to play, or had the time to take my current DJ form from hobbyist and bedroom to the clubs and had wad of cash to blow, id sell the S4 and get a CDJ setup of somesort.
Purely because its what's required of a DJ nowadays, wether i like it or not and not knowing the basics of widely used kit is fairly unprofessional to honest, if your going to be playing at a club. We can yell about it till blue in the face, but around london, the standard is 2x pioneer's of some degree and a mixer as standard.
In fact, i wouldn't sell the S4, because it can run a Houseparty like a boss, and i do enjoy mixing on it. | Tamela Batara
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
But even the most rudimentary bit of research would have told you that the UK Dance music scene is very much alive and well and up there with (if not the) best in the world.
Its just odd that you can proclaim stuff about the UK scene/clubs, be it CDJ use or the perceived lack of a scene, but then admit that you evidently know little or nothing about it as you pretty much stay local (and seem to not read any industry literature)
To quote you from another thread "... wow. Just wow. This, right here, is everything that's wrong in the industry right now"
Brilliant.
I have just read this entire thread. It has taken a while, and I will have to go for a good walk now to recover, but first, I just want to say, mdcdesign, whether intentional or not, you come off as a complete idiot.
Saying MOST clubs in the Uk use controllers only, then saying you have pretty much never left your hometown? WTF???
Complaining about the UK club scene, and actually envying the scene in the US, without leaving your hometown? WTF???
Absolutely dissing using CDJ's in favour of controllers, in a professional capacity until you actually go somewhere that uses them. WTF???
I mean, come on. Get a grip mate.
My opinion on the matter. 15 years ago I bought decks. I made the financial commitment, and slowly built a record collection over many years. I knew all my tracks very well, and it took a long time to learn the art.
2 Years ago I bought my first (well actually second, I have a CDJ 500 from YEARS ago, but its gash) CDJ (350's) set-up, and it was good. Not as good as vinyl, and a bit basic, but was good.
I ALMOST bought an DDJ SX last year. The 350's were too basic for me, and I wanted to get into something else. In the end, I went for a DB4 running Traktor DVS, and another pair of 1210's. I will eventually get high end CDJ's, but blew the budget on the mixer.
Controllers are good for what they are. But most of them out there are toys. The really special ones, seem to all be made by Pioneer. I was only really going to consider the SX or the Aero. The Aero was because it could be used stand-alone, but the lack of send/return (not an issue I avoided with the DB4 admittedly) and basic mixer functions put me off.
I do see a place for controllers in the market though. If I wasn't such a flash cunt, I would have been happy with a high end controller (DDJ-SX) at home, instead of a DB4 and CDJ2k's + 1210's (which will be what I end up with). Lower end controllers are great for getting into it with, and I would recommend them all day long to new DJ's. Why spend more than a few hundred quic on gear
if you don't know if you will be good enough, have enough patience, or simply be bothered to learn it. Once you have figured out it is a passion, then upgrade.
I have no intention of ever playing out in clubs or pubs though. If I did, I would probably take a laptop running Traktor though. Off to the side, and used solely for searching tracks, as I did with my 350's, and do now with my DVS (basically). | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DubluW
Oh there's no knocking a bedroom DJ! I myself am a Music fan first and a Bedroom DJ Second!
Yeah, but you're not going around stating the most ridiculous things as fact | Lillia Datson
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
Crazy eh? I mean, you don't even actually have to go out, just looking at RA or (at a push) mixmag would tell you that the dance scene in the UK is pretty much second to none for variety and proliferation. I'm sensing a bedroom DJ here
Oh there's no knocking a bedroom DJ! I myself am a Music fan first and a Bedroom DJ Second! | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
It's not that, it's that I work pretty much EVERY evening
, either doing photography or DJing, but only in the city I live in. I don't drive, so even when I am lucky enough to have a evening
off, I'm stuck going places within public transport range (which basically limits me to Notts).
But even the most rudimentary bit of research would have told you that the UK Dance music scene is very much alive and well and up there with (if not the) best in the world.
Its just odd that you can proclaim stuff about the UK scene/clubs, be it CDJ use or the perceived lack of a scene, but then admit that you evidently know little or nothing about it as you pretty much stay local (and seem to not read any industry literature)
To quote you from another thread "... wow. Just wow. This, right here, is everything that's wrong in the industry right now" | Rolanda Clodfelder
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I don't see the point of CDJs, whereas vinyl actually offers a different feel & experience to MIDI control. And no, I don't go to many clubs unfortunately! I'm always working
CDJ's DO offer a better feel to pretty much ANY midi controller on the market - even the cheap 400's and 350's feel better than just about any controller out there.
Not as nice or tactile as vinyl, but nice enough in comparison. | Doreen Schurle
12.03.2013 | It's not that, it's that I work pretty much EVERY evening
, either doing photography or DJing, but only in the city I live in. I don't drive, so even when I am lucky enough to have a evening
off, I'm stuck going places within public transport range (which basically limits me to Notts).
Maybe I should just move | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DubluW
How can you say the UK scene is a joke, then say you don't actually go to a lot of clubs anyway?!?!?!?!
I believe the UK has, hands down, the most varied and interesting club culture throughout the world!
Crazy eh? I mean, you don't even actually have to go out, just looking at RA or (at a push) mixmag would tell you that the dance scene in the UK is pretty much second to none for variety and proliferation. I'm sensing a bedroom DJ here | Lillia Datson
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I don't see the point of CDJs, whereas vinyl actually offers a different feel & experience to MIDI control. And no, I don't go to many clubs unfortunately! I'm always working
How can you say the UK scene is a joke, then say you don't actually go to a lot of clubs anyway?!?!?!?!
I believe the UK has, hands down, the most varied and interesting club culture throughout the world!
I believe London has some of the best going with Egg, pacha, MOS, Fabric and Cable to name but a few big hitters, all with varied evening
s within their respective Genre's. Hell, even the clubs that closed down were awesome (R.I.P The End) That's without even touching places like Shoreditch, camden and clapham for all the smaller venues. Boiler room was made here!!!! I live in london, so that's my speciality, but not to forget gatecrasher, Cream etc in Liverpool/Birmingham.
And the festivals. We kick ass at festivals, and have acts from the UK travelling worldwide at other festivals and Ibiza etc. I will see Irration steppas at outlook if it kills me someday! | Doreen Schurle
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by iambiggles
hold on! you're stating this as a plus? i thought you were the guy that "never saw CDJ's in any club I go to and nobody I know used them (or somesuch comment)", never mind 1200's?
I believe the previous few posts explains this a little - you evidently dont go to many (if any) clubs. LOL
I don't see the point of CDJs, whereas vinyl actually offers a different feel & experience to MIDI control. And no, I don't go to many clubs unfortunately! I'm always working | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Rescue Rooms are pretty sick, I'll admit... the first place I've been to in a LONG while which still spins vinyl on a regular basis
hold on! you're stating this as a plus? i thought you were the guy that "never saw CDJ's in any club I go to and nobody I know used them (or somesuch comment)", never mind 1200's?
I believe the previous few posts explains this a little - you evidently dont go to many (if any) clubs. LOL | Doreen Schurle
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Vermilion
Man this just makes me sad. You're in Derby, right? I don't know what music you're in to but get out one weekend and head somewhere new. Nottingham has some great evening
s at places like Stealth, Rescue Rooms, Rock City, Gatecrasher... Alternatively there's Leicester with Sophbeck, Rockafellas, Epsilon... London's also really not that far from Derby, just catch the first train back at kick out time!
Also check out the Midlands events page on RA and see if you can find something.
Rescue Rooms are pretty sick, I'll admit... the first place I've been to in a LONG while which still spins vinyl on a regular basis | Corrin Penney
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Vermilion
Man this just makes me sad. You're in Derby, right? I don't know what music you're in to but get out one weekend and head somewhere new. Nottingham has some great evening
s at places like Stealth, Rescue Rooms, Rock City, Gatecrasher... Alternatively there's Leicester with Sophbeck, Rockafellas, Epsilon... London's also really not that far from Derby, just catch the first train back at kick out time!
Also check out the Midlands events page on RA and see if you can find something.
I live in Derby, the underground has taken off since interface dropped out. Theres literally 2 or 3 underground evening
s every weekend for whatever youre interested in. Loads of house and dnb, plus trance evening
s are gathering quite the following.
Notts, as you rightly say, is also a hot-bed of underground talent.
@mdcdesign: If you cant find anything youre not looking hard enough or youre a jaded old cynic that believes underground evening
s should come to them. | Rana Rigling
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
The UK is practically a joke in comparison lol.
Man this just makes me sad. You're in Derby, right? I don't know what music you're in to but get out one weekend and head somewhere new. Nottingham has some great evening
s at places like Stealth, Rescue Rooms, Rock City, Gatecrasher... Alternatively there's Leicester with Sophbeck, Rockafellas, Epsilon... London's also really not that far from Derby, just catch the first train back at kick out time!
Also check out the Midlands events page on RA and see if you can find something. | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by backtothefront
Not sure what genres you're in to and where you're located in the UK MDC, but I beg to differ, the UK is and has always had a thriving underground dance music scene - we embraced electronic music and gave the world all forms of dance music, let's not forget that
If you want big, well known clubs, one for a start is Fabric, even Ministry Of Sound I'd say. But the best stuff is the small, underground places, bubbling up all over the UK, just need to get involved. And in terms of festivals, there's a huge choice of dance music festival all over the country.
I really can't fathom out your post, there are 100's of evening
s going on all over, both urban and countryside. I live in the sticks and there are loads of free parties tucked out the way plus a v popular D&B evening
for example, bringing down the likes of Hazard, N.Blackmarket, Fabio, Majestic... etc etc.
Exactly - I sometimes wonder (from some of his posts) if we even live in the same country... And lets not forget, if there isn't something near you - do it yourself!! | Lashawn Maycock
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Continential Europe and the UK are WHOLE different kettles of fish dude. Over there, you actually have dedicated trance/house superclubs and stuff like that... like Berghain etc. And you have proper festivals like Tomorrowland. The UK is practically a joke in comparison lol.
Not sure what genres you're in to and where you're located in the UK MDC, but I beg to differ, the UK is and has always had a thriving underground dance music scene - we embraced electronic music and gave the world all forms of dance music, let's not forget that
If you want big, well known clubs, one for a start is Fabric, even Ministry Of Sound I'd say. But the best stuff is the small, underground places, bubbling up all over the UK, just need to get involved. And in terms of festivals, there's a huge choice of dance music festival all over the country.
I really can't fathom out your post, there are 100's of evening
s going on all over, both urban and countryside. I live in the sticks and there are loads of free parties tucked out the way plus a v popular D&B evening
for example, bringing down the likes of Hazard, N.Blackmarket, Fabio, Majestic... etc etc. | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by KS2
I agree with all that. For me the music should do the talking, be pretty close to how it was intended, and mixed with other good music. House music is all about the subtleties to me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This - 100%. Some of the best sets I've ever heard were pretty much a-b mixing with little or no FX. Think Larry Levan, David Mancuso, Danny Tenaglia etc etc (sure, these guys used reel to reel and some clever edits, but it was basically a-b mixing). These guys are legends because the KNOW the music and their crowd, not by over-reliance on FX, filters and doing too much fucking with the music - Rotary mixer and an Isolater was pretty much it. (although the Isolater can be horribly overdone too.... ) Some of the best stuff in the UK currently is just 2 or 3 CDJ's or TT's and a very knowledgable DJ (and crowd). | Qiana Castellucci
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Continential Europe and the UK are WHOLE different kettles of fish dude. Over there, you actually have dedicated trance/house superclubs and stuff like that... like Berghain etc. And you have proper festivals like Tomorrowland. The UK is practically a joke in comparison lol.
You're kidding right?
I live just outside of Brighton club there and London - the amount of club evening
s playing decent music is amazing! Sure there are a bunch playing more mainstream stuff, but I can go out most evening
s of the week and find somewhere playing Deep House, Nu-Disco, Proper Underground House or techno. I don't know where you are (didn't you say Birmingham or somewhere midlandsish?), but I feel really sorry for you! | Latina Samon
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by willisnz
A-B mixing is not boring. If you have good songs why would it be? I just believe with all the new tech, social media, YouTube etc that some of the generations who have grown up with this stuff, and never known a time when A-B mixing on vinyl was the only option can have shorter attention spans. For me listening to someone adding a billion effects and cranking through as many tracks as possible, in as short a time as possible is not something I would choose to listen too. If other people want to hear that then fair play to them though. I like to hear a good portion of a track as the artist intended it to be heard, then mixed well into another track with a few sparingly used effects or filters chosen to complement the music.
Frankly though while I learnt on CDJ's then vinyl and now use a DVS, when listening to music I don't care about the medium, it is about the message which is the music.
I agree with all that. For me the music should do the talking, be pretty close to how it was intended, and mixed with other good music. House music is all about the subtleties to me. | Marjorie Fallucca
12.03.2013 | A-B mixing is not boring. If you have good songs why would it be? I just believe with all the new tech, social media, YouTube etc that some of the generations who have grown up with this stuff, and never known a time when A-B mixing on vinyl was the only option can have shorter attention spans. For me listening to someone adding a billion effects and cranking through as many tracks as possible, in as short a time as possible is not something I would choose to listen too. If other people want to hear that then fair play to them though. I like to hear a good portion of a track as the artist intended it to be heard, then mixed well into another track with a few sparingly used effects or filters chosen to complement the music.
Frankly though while I learnt on CDJ's then vinyl and now use a DVS, when listening to music I don't care about the medium, it is about the message which is the music. | Latina Samon
11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by 3heads
I fail to believe that. Way too many good DJs from the UK not to have a proper scene. London, Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow, and so on, there's a good bunch of cities in the UK where I'd really like to go out sometime.
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh yeah, I believe there's a fair few decent evening
s in the biggest cities, but unfortunately most of the UK doesn't LIVE in the biggest cities
Everyone lives close to one though. There are huge scenes in the UK. Leeds has so much going on with house music, Mint Club, Mint Warehouse (such a good soundsystem), Faversham are just a few. Manchester is booming with it, WHP being the obvious main attraction....people come from all over the country for it, Sankeys too. Liverpool is getting a bigger and bigger scene, Cream obviously (not my thing), Circus, Chibuku, Mumu (gets some special lineups) plus the special evening
s being held in St. Georges Hall, the Williamson tunnels etc. Birmingham has that Rainbow Club.
All of these places also have a ridiculous amount of smaller evening
s, pre parties, after parties etc. and these are just the cities I know well, and not even mentioning London.
Festivals....if the big, obvious ones aren't your thing you've got Cocoon in the Park in Leeds, Parklife in Manchester, and the new one for this year; We Are FSTVL in Essex which has the best lineup I've ever seen. | Latina Samon
11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
Final words : Give it time and the controllers will be used as the new yardstick against whatever brain implanted beat seeking nano technology dj software comes next.
They won't, because there isn't an industry standard and there's no need for them in the industry because the main benefit of one is portability. You can buy other little midi controllers and a soundcard if you want to do the other things software DJing allows, which is what is already happening. If a club already has your cdjs/technics, mixer and possibly an rmx 1000 you're set. You can bring along a laptop, x1, f1, maschine or whatever if you like and do exactly what someone with a controller can do, without messing up the booth and knowing the gear
inside out because it's industry standard.
Controllers are alright to practise on at home, save some space/money and great for throwing an impromptu party but there is no reason for them to take over cdjs in the booth. Pioneer will keep improving their stuff too, just look at the new 2000s. I haven't played on them but they're basically a controller aren't they?
I don't see the point in djing if you're not going to learn the art. Buying the s2 before cdjs, while it got me into djing sooner, probably set me back slightly in regards to this, even though I binned off using sync after two weeks. Although if you don't have anyone to show you the ropes when you first start it is easier to get going, obviously.
I could use Traktor with my cdjs now, but I've chosen not to so I can actually focus on proper djing. I'll probably incorporate it eventually, because its miles easier for browsing through your tracks if nothing else.
If you're playing proper gigs to music lovers, they'll have an opinion if you can't do the basics of djing, even if you can throw together seamless mixes with cue jumps galore. That opinion matters too.
As for A - B mixing not being interesting....well Sven Vath and Move D do a decent job of it to name but a few. | Celestine Porebski
11.03.2013 | Well, I hate to break it to you, but villages and small towns are shitty everwhere in the world | Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by 3heads
I fail to believe that. Way too many good DJs from the UK not to have a proper scene. London, Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow, and so on, there's a good bunch of cities in the UK where I'd really like to go out sometime.
Oh yeah, I believe there's a fair few decent evening
s in the biggest cities, but unfortunately most of the UK doesn't LIVE in the biggest cities | Celestine Porebski
11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Continential Europe and the UK are WHOLE different kettles of fish dude. Over there, you actually have dedicated trance/house superclubs and stuff like that... like Berghain etc. And you have proper festivals like Tomorrowland. The UK is practically a joke in comparison lol.
I fail to believe that. Way too many good DJs from the UK not to have a proper scene. London, Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow, and so on, there's a good bunch of cities in the UK where I'd really like to go out sometime. |
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