Pioneer xdj-r1??
Pioneer xdj-r1?? Posted on: 07.05.2013 by Dannie Dimora I never heard of this "controller" up until someone in a thread here mentioned it and uploaded some photos. In case you haven't seen them, here they are:2.JPG3.JPG4.JPG So it seems pioneer has gone the all-in-one route that numark and gemini have taken quite some time ago, But i'm just wondering. Is there a niche market for pioneer that's big enough to justify such a product? I understand it's rekordbox compatible and everything, but at probably the price of 2 cdj400 and a little mixer, will this market be big enough for pioneer to make a profit? Also, do you guys believe that since this thing is probably based off cdj400s, it will support HID in traktor? | |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | Just occurred to me. If they implemented ADVANCED HID for Traktor (as even the 400s have, although not sure how that would work with only one USB connection) and you could have A + B controlling Traktor sometimes, while also being able to switch them into USB & CD sometimes seamlessly in the mix, this unit would destroy all in its path. |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | I guess we will just have to wait until its released to find out the exact specs for certain. I rang a dealer here in London asking if he knew the day of release, he said "basically mate, we'll get a phone call from Pioneer telling us they're arriving tomorrow" I am actually rather excited, and I believe will be buying one. The same dealer said Pioneer brought one in for them to have a look at a few weeks back and he said the jogwheels are MUCH more solid feeling than a 350, and he likened the overall build quality to an 850 in terms of the build materials of the housing. |
| Cira Ditz 06.06.2013 | Yeh - really wish record was on the R1 - shame really if it isn't |
| Cira Ditz 06.06.2013 | I believe the Agripod listing also has a bit of an error - they mention the colour effects as '(Filter, Crush, Noise and Jet)' but I believe it's Pitch not Jet |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | shame then. I was working under the impression it didnt record... and the read that and got rather excited! Still a great bit of kit, and shows that pioneer is really trying. |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | ditto. scroll to bottom of blurb. http://www.djdeals.com/pioneerXDJR1....w#.UbC2fPm1F8G |
| Cira Ditz 06.06.2013 | I'm wondering if this is a cut/paste error from somewhere as it has an 'S' missing from the last paragraph's first word 'ources such....' then it goes on to mention Jog Drum and 4 inbuilt Samples which all sounds very AERO rather than R1 from what have read so far. All a bit confusing |
| Alfredo Tooher 06.06.2013 | If you are still referring to the recording, I believe it's a misprint by djdeals |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | scroll down to the bottom of blurb. http://www.djdeals.com/pioneerXDJR1....w#.UbC2fPm1F8G |
| Oretha Afful 06.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco
I have an email out to our pioneer rep, so hopefully he responded. So any info I'll let you guys know toevening . |
| Anissa Perusek 06.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
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| Oretha Afful 06.06.2013 | agipro shipping date has been moved to June 12th. http://www.agiprodj.com/pioneer-xdj-...dj-system.html I'm headed over to Guitar center later today so I'll see if they have any info. probably not though. |
| Alfredo Tooher 06.06.2013 | correct, I dont see anything in the manual or anything on the controller that would indicate you can record your set to usb |
| Alphonso Deitchman 06.06.2013 | Where does it "appear" to have USB recording? The button below the USB socket is for safely removing sticks without risking data corruption. |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 | Something that hasn't been mentioned yet in the promo ads is that it does appear to have the same 'one touch usb record' feature as the Aero. I believe that is what the button directly below the USB port on the fascia is, as it is NOT the button to engage USB music access, that button is in the group of 3 buttons on the top left of each deck. Apart from the pitch faders, this thing is just looking better and better and a possible Traktor killer. OK, not literally a killer as software solutions just have way too much traction now in the bedroom and with mobile DJs/small bar and small venue Djs, but after Pioneer's false starts (lets generously call it their 'learning curve' ) in the digital and controller arena, this is actually a very convincing rebuttal to having a laptop or indeed any DJ software in the performance workflow at all and relegating software (and laptop) to home and the tasks of preperation and management. Additionally, IMHO this price point is jaw-dropping considering its, (a) Pioneer product, and (b) the stunning feature set and (hopefully as none of us have held it yet) the apparent build quality. I believe this is a fresh salvo in Pioneers ongoing war to kick software solutions out of the DJ booth (the previous one being the 2000NXS + DJM900NXS axis with all of the inter-connectivity and Traktor-like features, and if you STILL insist, easy Traktor plug and play functionality) also, at this price point, I can't imagine there is a huge profit on this piece of hardware and it may in fact be a non-earner/loss leader intended to 'bigup' the Pioneer brand as a whole, and get some traction in the bedroom with those that will never leave their bedrooms and also the future stars of the DJ booth as until the DDJ-SX pretty much all of their controllers have been relatively poorly received. Indeed, this time they have taken the battle to the software solutions home ground (the bedroom). The majority of home users (who all hope one day to move into legit clubs) cannot or will not buy a CDJ900/2000+DJM750/900 solution as the expense is huge but this, I believe quite impressive unit, pretty much does many of the things a 2000/900 combo will do, INCLUDING in effect networked single USB access a la Nexus system over ethernet AND DJM colour effects! I would not be surprised if in a future update the XDJ-R1 offers plug and play Traktor control but in external mixer mode, hopefully allowing for seamlessly moving from CD to Traktor to Rekordbox enabled USB without interrupting the mix, and who knows, maybe even Direct access to Rekordbox on your laptop for loading tracks onto the unit at some future point if sales ever start to flag. Say what you will about Pioneer prices, but I believe with the top line nexus devices, and now this piece of kit which has come out of almost nowhere (with an unbelievably UnPioneer price), Pioneer have done an incredible job of maintaining their dominance in the club booth and responding to the software/controller young guns that only a few years ago were snapping at their heels, and posing a genuine threat to what (for a decade at least) had been the status quo of the Modern DJ booth = Decks (for old schoolers), DJM (ok, not always), CDJ 1000s (essential). While NI has been making many inroads into the 'Pro' booth of late, this unit could be Pioneer's Trojan Horse back into the bedroom. Pioneer, while having a few cracks at software controllers, have with this unit gone back to what they know and what they do best, which is the standalone Pioneer piece of kit, and F*** YOU DJ software, and arguably with all of the 'all-in-one play everything from everything' + a good sprinkling of CDJ2000/DJM900 features included in this machine, I believe its the best consumer item they have even released... bar none. Pioneer, I doff my cap mate, well done. ......... those pitch faders are too bloody short though. |
| Lizabeth Peight 06.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by HarryK
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| Cira Ditz 06.06.2013 | Been doing lots more research just as still can't decide which of the AERO or the R1 suits me better and came across this which really liked. One thing I didn't like about the AERO was the browsing on the phone app when searching huge banks of tracks, and liked how the R1 seemed to have a much better browser in the Remotebox app. But then saw this video and I never knew you could search with device keyboard (and better yet use a bluetooth keyboard) with the rekordbox app. Seeing as I used to lug my iMac/Bluetooth keyboard/S4 to certain gigs when I needed huge amount of tracks as so many requests I really like how I could just now take an AERO/Keyboard/Phone and maybe a large capacity USB or hard drive. Also the sample launch for version 2.00 is much better and there is the memory cue. I'll be honest am still in two minds, but the AERO's actually starting to win me back somewhat |
| Oretha Afful 04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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| Alphonso Deitchman 04.06.2013 | Recording to USB was one of the key points of the Aero vs R1 comparison video by Pioneer, so that suggests that this feature is missing from the R1. Also there's no Record button anywhere on the device or any of the app screens shown in the videos, and no mention of recording in the manual. |
| Oretha Afful 04.06.2013 | looks like you can record direct to USB according to djdeals.com ... http://www.djdeals.com/pioneerXDJR1....w#.Ua4O-FFx0xB "The Pioneer XDJ-R1 also features two automatic mixing functions; Auto Mix & Beat Sync. Beat Sync synchronizes the music loaded in each deck on beat with matching beats per minute (BPM). In Auto Mix mode any playlists that you create on your USB drive, phone, tablet or laptop are linked with cross-fade or fade-in/fade-out effects.The Pioneer XDJ-R1 also lets you record DJ mixes directly onto a USB storage drive in WAV format. The XDJ-R1 combines two digital players and a mixer into a single slim and stylish unit, taking similar design cues from Pioneer CD players and Pioneer DJ mixers. The unit features a smoke-colored acrylic panel & blue and white LED lights." |
| Oretha Afful 04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
that would be cool. probably won't be able to pick one up til the end of the month. I'd have to unload some gear in order to grab one. |
| Celeste Birl 03.06.2013 | I hope it will make some things clear. |
| Alfredo Tooher 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
Originally Posted by Polygon
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| Dannie Dimora 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
Don't worry, it'll be all sorted out with the cdj-2000nexus mk2, now only $2299! |
| Oretha Afful 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
Thought it said late June |
| Alphonso Deitchman 03.06.2013 | Based on the block diagram in the manual, it looks as if the R1 can be used in Internal Mixing mode (Master+Monitor output) as well as External mode (Deck A+B output), and there appears to be an upstream channel sending the final Master Output back to the computer for recording. There doesn't seem to be any info on recording with the R1 in the manual though. |
| Alfredo Tooher 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
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| Oretha Afful 04.06.2013 | Will we be able to use the USB sound card to record to a laptop? |
| Verlene Geevarghese 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
If the 850's had the ability to link, I would buy them in a heart beat. But Pioneer knows that. |
| Gaynell Rydberg 03.06.2013 | Wow! The iPad integration with the R1 looks insane!!!! Really want to try one out now. Pity the stores never have nice gear out for you to play with |
| Cira Ditz 03.06.2013 | I'm still trying to figure out which of the two XDJ things I'm going to go for. I tried an AERO again at the weekend and still loved it, and I finally had a go with a DDJ-SX in the same store as they've finally got some in and while it was impressive it wasn't for me. I donwloaded the Remotebox app today and had a quick look and thought it looked good and will be interested to see how the browser feels (it won't work in demo mode). I'm waiting now to see and R1 in the shops (mainly as I'm broke and sadly it's looking like I'll only be able to go for one of these next pay day) but believe it'll make more sense which is for me actually trying them out. Just as others have mentioned, it's frustrating the way Pioneer is fragmenting what these various devices can and can't do tho. Just simple things like recording to USB that they leave out. I've got a Zoom digital portable recorder so should be fine but still, wish they'd just brought out one totally killer XDJ device rather than two rather good but also lacking-somewhat in certain areas all in one. |
| Alfredo Tooher 03.06.2013 | nice, thanks! yeah those good videos, watched them to see how much better the features are then other decks on the market. |
| Janella Gripe 03.06.2013 | Haha, I just found them in the tutorial video's from Pio's website. I thought some of you might be interested in that, because they show a lot of information about the remote-box app and the use of recordbox |
| Alfredo Tooher 03.06.2013 | @NoizeImpact, were the videos posted to make a point? just curious, or was it just so people can see the vidz?
It is pretty odd that mid range products have better features than high end ones but don't have all the features of the lower product. you really need to pick and choose the most important features for you with their products.
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| Oretha Afful 03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
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| Janella Gripe 03.06.2013 |
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| Alfredo Tooher 03.06.2013 | you couldn't stream from the phone anyway on the R1, the pioneer linups are becoming very fragmented. Some use Remotebox, Some use Rekordbox, some you can link up your laptop, some you can't, Some you can stream from a phone or iPad, some you can't......you get the point. All these new decks can have different buttons/features, but the media it plays from should be a standard. If clubs go over to controllers as their standard one day, it would be a evening mare |
| Oretha Afful 03.06.2013 | The 1 USB thing is kind of odd. In order to switch DJs you'd have to have a cd ready. That kind of sucks. Other than that, the other things it's missing are minor to me. I don't need more than 10K track limit since I trim my library every few months of all the crap I'd never play again, and I'd honestly probably never stream from my phone. Haven't used my S4 in months and have just been playing on 2000s instead. Thinking I'll be one of the first people that own one of these |
| Alfredo Tooher 01.06.2013 | after really looking this thing over here are my thoughts I loved this deck when I heard the rumors and pics of the release, but I wont be buying it for a couple of reasons, which are a big deal to me personally and not to others that dj different types of events. I have the CDJ2000 nexus' and a DJM900 which are awesome and would have loved to grab this for some events 1. only one usb port and no other way to play from a device, If I need to download a track quick and play it, I have no way of doing, If I add a track to a new usb drive, I cant stop the music in the middle of a set, unplug the existing drive to plug in the new obviously. I know there are cd players but again, theres no time (sometimes) to download and burn cd's during an event "IF" you need to. 2. 10,000 file track limit. As a mobile DJ doing all sorts of different style events, I carry A LOT of music on my HD and laptop, I have over 10,000 files just in Promo Only downloads and rips so for that reason alone, i'm out. 3. can't stream from phone, One great feature which is kinda an addon to my #1 reason I hate this is on the 2000Nexus it is great if I have to grab a track in the middle of a set that someone may want and I may not have, Nowadays soooo much club/dance music is coming out so fast sometimes you miss some and it was cool being able to hit iTunes quick, download the track, plug in my phone to the nexus and mix the track through the RB app. This cannot be done on the R1 |
| Yukiko Spruell 31.05.2013 | I have a modular set up (cdj900s & djm850) but am interested in this as a replacement for my back up controller (Reloop TM2) as it will give me the best of both worlds (midi controller and media player) whilst giving me most of the functions I am used to on my cdj setup but with added portability. I just hope someone gets this mapped for Traktor pretty sharpish as that will be me convinced. |
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