Pioneer xdj-r1?? I never heard of this "controller" up until someone in a thread here mentioned it and uploaded some photos. In case you haven't seen them, here they are:
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So it seems pioneer has gone the all-in-one route that numark and gemini have taken quite some time ago,
But i'm just wondering.
Is there a niche market for pioneer that's big enough to justify such a product? I understand it's rekordbox compatible and everything, but at probably the price of 2 cdj400 and a little mixer, will this market be big enough for pioneer to make a profit?
Also, do you guys believe that since this thing is probably based off cdj400s, it will support HID in traktor? |
Marcelina Hanaway
23.11.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet.
I'm in the exact situation. Curious to hear any news. |
Fredda Precord
22.11.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet.
Well... Lately, I've played some gigs all evening
long with the XDJ-R1 (1.0.7 Firmware) and it didn't fail at all for me. BUT I always keep a deck around just in case... |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by JoBushwick
Donstone- AVOID
I would wait until they have the bugs fixed. Pioneer reps have told me the issues are being worked out in a firmware update.
But this whole time i have a paper weight- received on July 7. It is so annoying and the fact they released a product that does not work as advertised is mind boggling. I have lost consumer confidence and will not be buying anymore products from them. If they can fix these issues in a firmware update then by all means- go out and buy it. My biggest fear is that the issues will take many firmware update fixes and I don't really have time or patience for that. If you want one so bad you can have mine since the store I bought it from does not accept money back returns.
+1, and DEFINITELY wait. Unrelated but similar, new laptop last year, supposed MacKiller, absolutely stunning to look at but hundreds of people plagued by problems for over a year while manufacturer denies anything serious is wrong! Don't buy and wait for the fix, wait till its fixed then buy! |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Were the loop and quantize problems still occuring with tracks manually gridded in Rekordbox beforehand?
the youtube video of a full run down of the problems clearly states that all tunes were analyzed in Rekordbox. |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
then you didn't own a CDJ2000 Nexus, lol
I didn't, no. |
Lanie Priske
10.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
But come on its a pioneer! lol |
Alfredo Tooher
10.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by dillinger23
Wow. They REALLY rushed this one out it would seem! Can't recall ANY Pioneer hardware being THIS buggy on release!
then you didn't own a CDJ2000 Nexus, lol |
Marcelina Hanaway
23.11.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet.
I'm in the exact situation. Curious to hear any news. |
Fredda Precord
22.11.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet.
Well... Lately, I've played some gigs all evening
long with the XDJ-R1 (1.0.7 Firmware) and it didn't fail at all for me. BUT I always keep a deck around just in case... |
Fredda Precord
22.11.2013 |
Originally Posted by Audio Aerosol
Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet.
Well... Lately, I've played some gigs all evening
long with the XDJ-R1 (1.0.7 Firmware) and it didn't fail at all for me. BUT I always keep a deck around just in case... |
Edris Acevedo
22.11.2013 | Sorry to re-ignite an old thread here but just wondering on how these units are faring with the new 1.7 firmware. I'm looking at getting one of these or an Aero. But not sure which yet. |
Fredda Precord
05.10.2013 | Well, played on a gig with my XDJ-R1 today. I was using songs from a HDD (analysed with RekordBox) and CD's. For my HDD I used Remote Box with my Ipad2(ios7). The unit didn't failed any time. The only issue I had was with my Ipad and remote box, the app quit 2 times during the gig. Music didn't stop (as it was being read from HDD) and I just had to launch remote box again.
My unit is using firmware 1.0.7. |
Lizabeth Peight
22.08.2013 | so how goes it with the firmware fix.... all good? |
Alfredo Tooher
01.08.2013 | there's an update that supposedly fixes a lot, 1.05 on Aug 1st
Here's the link: http://pioneerdj.com/support/product...p=XDJ-R1&t=250
fix list:
Ver.1.04 -> Ver.1.05 (1 August, 2013 Release)
- Fixed a freeze issue when playing some AIFF files.
- Fixed an issue where the same position of the track is repeated when scratching.
- Fixed an issue where the LOOP IN position is repeatedly played when AUTO BEAT LOOP starts with QUANTIZE enabled.
- Removed one of the causes of freezing.
- Added a caution message when the tempo slider is moved when disabled.
- Fixed an issue when a cue is set at the start of a track with quantize enabled,
the cue actually starts at the next beat when the track’s first beat is at the track’s start position.
- Fixed an issue where BPM SYNC starts when a track playing on the slave deck is changed when a track's BPM is “out of range”.
- Fixed an issue where the cross fader position on remotebox is not synced with the XDJ-R1 even when the cross fader is moved on XDJ-R1.
- Improved the operability and stability of XDJ-R1. |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by JoBushwick
Donstone- AVOID
I would wait until they have the bugs fixed. Pioneer reps have told me the issues are being worked out in a firmware update.
But this whole time i have a paper weight- received on July 7. It is so annoying and the fact they released a product that does not work as advertised is mind boggling. I have lost consumer confidence and will not be buying anymore products from them. If they can fix these issues in a firmware update then by all means- go out and buy it. My biggest fear is that the issues will take many firmware update fixes and I don't really have time or patience for that. If you want one so bad you can have mine since the store I bought it from does not accept money back returns.
+1, and DEFINITELY wait. Unrelated but similar, new laptop last year, supposed MacKiller, absolutely stunning to look at but hundreds of people plagued by problems for over a year while manufacturer denies anything serious is wrong! Don't buy and wait for the fix, wait till its fixed then buy! |
Carola Divalerio
30.07.2013 | Donstone- AVOID
I would wait until they have the bugs fixed. Pioneer reps have told me the issues are being worked out in a firmware update.
But this whole time i have a paper weight- received on July 7. It is so annoying and the fact they released a product that does not work as advertised is mind boggling. I have lost consumer confidence and will not be buying anymore products from them. If they can fix these issues in a firmware update then by all means- go out and buy it. My biggest fear is that the issues will take many firmware update fixes and I don't really have time or patience for that. If you want one so bad you can have mine since the store I bought it from does not accept money back returns. |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Were the loop and quantize problems still occuring with tracks manually gridded in Rekordbox beforehand?
the youtube video of a full run down of the problems clearly states that all tunes were analyzed in Rekordbox. |
Lizabeth Peight
30.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
then you didn't own a CDJ2000 Nexus, lol
I didn't, no. |
Oretha Afful
30.07.2013 | so is there anyone that owns this that isn't having problems with it? Was really curious about picking one up but it sound like it's still a mess from the Pioneer boards. |
Lanie Priske
10.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
But come on its a pioneer! lol |
Alfredo Tooher
10.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by dillinger23
Wow. They REALLY rushed this one out it would seem! Can't recall ANY Pioneer hardware being THIS buggy on release!
then you didn't own a CDJ2000 Nexus, lol |
Alphonso Deitchman
10.07.2013 | Were the loop and quantize problems still occuring with tracks manually gridded in Rekordbox beforehand? |
Lizabeth Peight
10.07.2013 | Wow. They REALLY rushed this one out it would seem! Can't recall ANY Pioneer hardware being THIS buggy on release! |
Carola Divalerio
10.07.2013 | I have been on the Pioneer community
non-stop with my unit. There is a lot of bugs that need to be resolved.
The biggest issues for me are the freezes, AIFF files not working, Loop function very off, and Quantize function causing shifts in speed and not working as well as it should. There is a whole list of things at the moment. The Faders to me feel fine.
The unit however has some pros to it:
Light and smaller in size compared to DDJ SX
I personally like the platters and found them tight and responsive but I still love the DDJ SX platters more for their size
The ios app is awesome
effects sound good to me
It's a compact unit and I like the idea behind - just wish it was working.
My reason for buying is to have something I don't need a computer leashed to and to work on sets in Rekordbox for when I use CDJ 2000 at a gig. Plus it's mobile and nice to have CD drives. Now I am regretting it slightly - Maybe the Aero was a better buy?
I do fully stand behind my DDJ SX and Serato DJ software. I am having so much fun with that unit I can't even tell you. |
Alfredo Tooher
09.07.2013 | it felt ok, I did not enough time to test a lot and mix for hours but for the most part, it was exactly how I felt it would be and needed a little getting used to. the biggest issue they have right now is the deck keeps freezing, same issue we had with the CDJ2000Nexus for me, When the hot cues would load or we try and use them, the deck locks up sometimes and needs a reboot. Not too much testing when into these I have a feeling being I had it lock up with perfect mp3's within an hour of testing |
Ulysses Vittetoe
09.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by brichi
not much of a review from me but some points I picked up on while I had a loner
For the amount of work I do, the caliber of jobs and the different types of jobs, This thing is not good enough for guys like me in the companies we work in. For 1 there is a limit on the amount of files you can export from RB, can I break my library down to under this limit for each gig? Yes, but I don't have time when I do 5 different types of events a week to worry about which drive I take based on it so for me personally, These are my pro's and cons
cons
1. cant use the memory points from RB, only the hot cues
2. auto load of the hot cues are extremely slow and it can take up to 10 seconds before a track is ready to be played
3. locked up once on me while loading cues, had to reboot deck which in the middle of a gig, means you're f'd, others complaiing about lock ups on Pioneer community
also
4. i hate small platters in general, to toy'ish, even my wife laughed when i took it out of the box saying it looks like it was from toys r us compared the the gear I usually have at home
5. would have to have 2 drives prepared, one for my 2000s and 1 for the R1, the R1 needs it's own library on export
6. horrible for mic, only 1/4" in and no eq other then 1 knob for hi/low and only 1 mic, there are a lot of times we have 2 mics going so I would have to waste the aux in for a mic mixer which isn't a huge deal, but enough to suck, lol
7. If I had to download a track I didn't have for some reason, I cant just throw it on a drive and play it, I'd have to burn cd's in the middle of a gig to play a song I may not have
8. cannot link your laptop, iPad, iPhone to play tracks from that device, ONLY usb drive and cd's can be played
not all the cons are a big deal, MANY people would deal with this especially at a $900 price point but me personally, it doesn't compare to the flexibility and professional look of my current setup which is understandable when you compare a $900 controller to a $6000 setup
the pros
1. awesome iPad integration and browsing
2. small and light
3. very well built
4. cd drives
the controller is definitely cool and Pioneer is heading in the right direction with this RB and iPad integration into the units, but I personally feel it's just not there yet and so do others from what I am reading.
Thanks for input. How does beat matching feel with those faders? Do they do the job well enough? |
Verlene Geevarghese
09.07.2013 | It happens everywhere with anything that requires software/firmware to run. You try really hard in the stages of testing, but realistically it's very difficult to capture every real world scenario to make something break. Is it acceptable? No, but it's reality. |
Loura Ulam
09.07.2013 | Looking on the pioneer community
s there seems to be lots of people complaining about various bugs with the unit.
Its amazing that they get released when there are clearly issues.
It seems to happen on a lot of their gear. |
Alfredo Tooher
09.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Any reviews or hands-on with this yet?
not much of a review from me but some points I picked up on while I had a loner
For the amount of work I do, the caliber of jobs and the different types of jobs, This thing is not good enough for guys like me in the companies we work in. For 1 there is a limit on the amount of files you can export from RB, can I break my library down to under this limit for each gig? Yes, but I don't have time when I do 5 different types of events a week to worry about which drive I take based on it so for me personally, These are my pro's and cons
cons
1. cant use the memory points from RB, only the hot cues
2. auto load of the hot cues are extremely slow and it can take up to 10 seconds before a track is ready to be played
3. locked up once on me while loading cues, had to reboot deck which in the middle of a gig, means you're f'd, others complaiing about lock ups on Pioneer community
also
4. i hate small platters in general, to toy'ish, even my wife laughed when i took it out of the box saying it looks like it was from toys r us compared the the gear I usually have at home
5. would have to have 2 drives prepared, one for my 2000s and 1 for the R1, the R1 needs it's own library on export
6. horrible for mic, only 1/4" in and no eq other then 1 knob for hi/low and only 1 mic, there are a lot of times we have 2 mics going so I would have to waste the aux in for a mic mixer which isn't a huge deal, but enough to suck, lol
7. If I had to download a track I didn't have for some reason, I cant just throw it on a drive and play it, I'd have to burn cd's in the middle of a gig to play a song I may not have
8. cannot link your laptop, iPad, iPhone to play tracks from that device, ONLY usb drive and cd's can be played
not all the cons are a big deal, MANY people would deal with this especially at a $900 price point but me personally, it doesn't compare to the flexibility and professional look of my current setup which is understandable when you compare a $900 controller to a $6000 setup
the pros
1. awesome iPad integration and browsing
2. small and light
3. very well built
4. cd drives
the controller is definitely cool and Pioneer is heading in the right direction with this RB and iPad integration into the units, but I personally feel it's just not there yet and so do others from what I am reading. |
Lizabeth Peight
09.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Any reviews or hands-on with this yet?
Also surprised there aren't yet! Maybe it IS shit, or alternatively so much fun, users cannot drag themselves off them to write a review. |
Ulysses Vittetoe
08.07.2013 | Any reviews or hands-on with this yet? |
Lizabeth Peight
08.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by donstone
It's $100 more than the S4 was at release but is also an actual DJ mixer and does NOT require a computer and plays CDs. Hardly overpriced. I was actually amazed at the price when they announced it.
+1. I believe poster either has an axe to grind with Pio in general, or has painted himself into a corner and won't back down. For the price its a fantastic bit of kit. Saying that longer faders would have been nice, and there seems to be enough real estate to have done it. CDJ-350 size faders would have been nice. |
Oretha Afful
08.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Reticuli
Fair enough. Most of Pioneer's gear has been 10bit. Some of their newer gear that has 14bit faders has tended not to fully take advantage of it in transport mode even when they are long enough. A fader that is shorter than 100mm cannot resolve 14bit resolution effectively. To assume the R1 is either a 10bit undersized fader or WAY undersized 14bit one is a very educated guess.
If it only has one USB memory port and cannot preload an entire track, then all this is moot and it |
Lizabeth Peight
08.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
You're declaring this an "inferior design" over to two things that are so literally insignificant they have virtually no practical impact on the deck. Meanwhile advocating a Chinese knockoff, renown as near-unusable due to core issues, as the superior alternative.... Uhh...
With the previous 3 posters on this one sorry. Seems like a clear case of 'hatin' on' without even having seen the unit in the flesh and judging for ones self, genuinely no disrespect intended but that seems woefully short sighted and I would hazard a guess you 'have issues', with all of Pioneer's hardware to some degree or other. |
Nancey Inderlied
08.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Reticuli
Why are you so intent on defending an overpriced product with an inferior design? Geez, this is a $900 item that I find out has only has one USB device port! And it turns out no ability to accept tracks offloaded from a laptop! Prior reviews and previews had said this was an Aero with CD Players and the Apple stuff added. Nope. I'm disappointed. I wanted to buy one to justify moving over to Rekordbox management at a reasonable price. Right now I use no database management on my drives.
You're declaring this an "inferior design" over to two things that are so literally insignificant they have virtually no practical impact on the deck. Meanwhile advocating a Chinese knockoff, renown as near-unusable due to core issues, as the superior alternative.... Uhh... |
Alphonso Deitchman
07.07.2013 | Page 15 mentions how to change the Tempo Range, but says absolutely nothing about resolution. 10% is a perfectly adequate tempo range which will rarely if ever be used fully.
You can use VDJ with the R1 if you want to play tracks from a laptop, and I'm sure it will work with other software too. Or get an Aero if you want to stream directly from Rekordbox. |
Carletta Riemer
07.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Where in the R1 manual does it say what pitch resolution it has? And why are you so set on declaring that the faders are unusable without even trying out the unit yourself, or even basing your argument on actual reviews?
Page 15. I did not say the fader length made it unusable. I said there are other cheaper units with better faders and that the full resolution when in 16% will not be stable. As in less than optimal. If you don't mind pitch bending or nudging those faders frequently, working at a lower pitch range (like 10), or using sync, it will still be fine. Why are you so intent on defending an overpriced product with an inferior design? Geez, this is a $900 item that I find out has only has one USB device port! And it turns out no ability to accept tracks offloaded from a laptop! Prior reviews and previews had said this was an Aero with CD Players and the Apple stuff added. Nope. I'm disappointed. I wanted to buy one to justify moving over to Rekordbox management at a reasonable price. Right now I use no database management on my drives. |
Alphonso Deitchman
07.07.2013 | Where in the R1 manual does it say what pitch resolution it has? And why are you so set on declaring that the faders are unusable without even trying out the unit yourself, or even basing your argument on actual reviews? |
Carletta Riemer
07.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by dillinger23
Not going to get into a flamewar here But I also disagree with this idea that one USB is not enough. You do not need more than 10,000 tracks on one device, just redo your USB each time you want to include different tunes in your 10,000. Also, the buffer issue doesnt matter. Just take one single (or a couple) CD full of WAV files, and every time you want to change a USB source, simply use a track from the CD(s) to transition! Problem solved!
I have tens of thousands of tracks, and that's after weeding out the overly short ones and the duplicates. I like to have the option to play whatever I feel like. In the case of the R1, you're buying a $900 integrated transport/mixer unit that would require you to keep the same USB memory device connected at all times for continuous playback. That's a big oversight that seems oblivious to a pretty basic need. Not even the Gemini and some models costing half the Gemini have that problem.
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Assuming you're absolutely set on using a 16% pitch range, which given that CDJs have an effing 6% range with a .02% resolution, 100mm faders are rather unnecessary. The bit depth of the fader isnt really a factor at that range.
It most definitely is a factor. Pitch range, while it does cause the effective resolution to be scaled, does not cap pitch resolution. Fader length, however, is a major factor in resolution stability, which either results in fluttering if there's not enough room, or lower resolution if you limit it in the firmware and abandon what the fader is technically capable of but unable to give you in a stable manner due to the short length. Reloop and MixVibes have controller/interface units with 14bit faders that do show up as 14bit in software, but are examples as to what a waste they are when they are too short.
On Pioneer, Denon, and other brands' units that have 100mm 10bit faders, I tend to mix at the 16% range since they usually use the same pitch resolution as the more conventional 10% range that's closer to most vinyl turntables. With a 100mm fader, there is no problem mixing that way and the pitch is always rock solid. It affords maximum range with sufficient pitch resolution to get the job done.
According to the manual, the R1 has about the same pitch resolution as the other Pioneers, which means it's either a poor implementation of a 14bit fader, or a 10bit one. The transport mode pitch res it has is capable with a 10bit fader, though at that length will be more difficult to be stable at the 16% setting than if it were 100mm. There’s plenty of room for a properly implemented 100mm fader, even a 14bit one. |
Nancey Inderlied
07.07.2013 |
Originally Posted by Reticuli
Fair enough. Most of Pioneer's gear has been 10bit. Some of their newer gear that has 14bit faders has tended not to fully take advantage of it in transport mode even when they are long enough. A fader that is shorter than 100mm cannot resolve 14bit resolution effectively. To assume the R1 is either a 10bit undersized fader or WAY undersized 14bit one is a very educated guess.
If it only has one USB memory port and cannot preload an entire track, then all this is moot and it’s a bum integrated unit, period... an overpriced controller. But suit yourself. I personally would also take the opinion of someone who actually bought one with a grain of salt, considering the issues.
Assuming you're absolutely set on using a 16% pitch range, which given that CDJs have an effing 6% range with a .02% resolution, 100mm faders are rather unnecessary. The bit depth of the fader isnt really a factor at that range. |
