CDJ-2000 looks like it has been discontinued- time for the CDJ-2000 Nexus speculation So it looks like the CDJ-2000 is officially discontinued according to a few sources and the CDJ-2000 Nexus will be released in April.
Have any photos or details been leaked? I'm hoping for better screens and scrolling waveforms. What else could they add?
http://excessiverecordsdjshop.blogspot.com/
PIONEER PRO DJ NEW PRODUCT UPDATE 2012
PIONEER PRO DJ NEW PRODUCT UPDATE 2012.
CDJ 2000 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY CDJ 2000 NEXUS. [ AVAILABLE IN April 2012 ]
DJM 700 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY DJM 850. [ Details coming soon ]
HDJ 1000 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY HDJ 1500 in SILVER and BLACK 2 COLORS SELECTION [ AVAILABLE IN April 2012 ]
DJM 250 [ AVAILABLE IN March or April 2012 ]
*remarks, PRICE will be announce soon.
STAY TUNE FOR SPEC UPDATE.
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Hyman Werness 21.08.2012 | Waste of money... |
Alla Bluemke 21.08.2012 | Well its safe to say that the next ones will be wifi capable. |
Yuko Armacost 21.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by luconia
the hype has been shifted to the aero sir...
lol |
Emely Metz 21.08.2012 | the hype has been shifted to the Aero sir... |
Yuko Armacost 21.08.2012 | Any word on this new "Nexus?" It's been speculated for a while now. |
Sylvia Greener 19.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by dope
My next purchase DJing-wise will be CDJ 2k or the new ones, but even though at first I was in a hurry, now that I got into production intensly I don't spin much, and I'm believeing that it's not an absolute and immediate need.
That's the way it goes! Exactly the same here. No new DJ gear now for a long time due to music production takes a lot of money |
Kasi Marget 19.08.2012 |
are you upgrading asap from tbe 350s?
My next purchase DJing-wise will be CDJ 2k or the new ones, but even though at first I was in a hurry, now that I got into production intensly I don't spin much, and I'm believeing that it's not an absolute and immediate need.
As soon as they release the new model, I can decide if i'll buy a pair or just get 2000s.
Because with such players (and such price) you don't change decks every 2 year, I want to be sure that when I buy it it's the best I can buy at the moment. Hence me craving for an announcement, to then make a decision.
Originally Posted by photojojo
That didn't work when we tried it with NI last year. The guy just laughed at us in german the whole time.
Ahaha. Isn't Pioneer a Japanese company ? It will be even harder because these guys are not afraid of anything, Hara Kiri, raw fish.. |
Leeanna Ayla 19.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by dope
Seriously, if someone really knows something, just share it...
What about kidnapping a guy from Pioneer DJ and torture him until he tells us what, when and gives us 4 models each once it's released ?
If you want to be a part of the squad, send me a pm ahahahah
That didn't work when we tried it with NI last year. The guy just laughed at us in german the whole time. |
Hyman Werness 19.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by dope
Seriously, if someone really knows something, just share it...
What about kidnapping a guy from Pioneer DJ and torture him until he tells us what, when and gives us 4 models each once it's released ?
If you want to be a part of the squad, send me a pm ahahahah
That seems like a long drive from south carolina... where is thier north american hq? LA? So dope are you upgrading asap from tbe 350s? |
Kasi Marget 19.08.2012 | Seriously, if someone really knows something, just share it...
What about kidnapping a guy from Pioneer DJ and torture him until he tells us what, when and gives us 4 models each once it's released ?
If you want to be a part of the squad, send me a pm ahahahah |
Sylvia Greener 18.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
Yeah, have been working there since May.
Wow that sounds cool! In Berlin, right? What are you doing there? Hardware/software development, design, internet community
moderation, public relations ... ? |
Ulysses Vittetoe 18.08.2012 | Really looking forward to see what features they'll add. The new features in the Aero have me excited. |
Hyman Werness 18.08.2012 | since it has been thins long and all this is really speculation... i'd say they are gonna do something similar to what they did for the 2000's release... a september announcement and december release. |
Rosina Steinkuehler 18.08.2012 | For folks in the know - how long should we hold out? I am literally ready to pull the trigger next week. |
Hyman Werness 18.08.2012 | congrats! that must be a rad job! |
Makkins Clifton 16.08.2012 | Yeah, have been working there since May. |
Hyman Werness 16.08.2012 | Hedge did you land that job with NI? |
Nila Ragonese 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
I may have heard something and since I'm not under NDA by Pioneer I can make hints like these without getting into trouble
So you are NOT under NDA. Technically you can say anything you want |
Makkins Clifton 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by wampaone
The way you word that makes me believe you are hinting you know something we dont...
I may have heard something and since I'm not under NDA by Pioneer I can make hints like these without getting into trouble |
Hyman Werness 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
Nothing official yet. I can say though that you should hold off a while longer.
The way you word that makes me believe you are hinting you know something we dont... |
Makkins Clifton 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by BestLegsinHD
soooooo any news on this? should i hold off before selling my first born?
Nothing official yet. I can say though that you should hold off a while longer. |
Ashanti Andreacchio 16.08.2012 | I just got this idea. What if Pioneer makes a ad-hock device to link their CDJ DJM together and then would work somehow like the XDJ-Aero with rekordbox on smartphone and tablets? would be dam cool I believe |
Alfredo Tooher 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by BestLegsinHD
soooooo any news on this? should i hold off before selling my first born?
no news, nothing CDJ wise was announced at the Expo, so it's still a waiting game. If you need to sell your first born to buy these maybe you should look for a cheaper alternative, |
Celine Surico 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I can't tell if you're trolling or you've never actually opened up a CDJ or DJM, since you believe that CDJs are actually "100% plastic," I'm assuming the latter. Pioneer's engineering is some of the most intuitive I've ever seen in an electronics company. Virtually every single switch and seam on the units are designed to be as durable and ergonomic as possible. The cue switches on DJMs, one of the highest use switches on the unit, are mounted on the chassis, in the centre of the unit, under the dust plate, covered by a catch cup built into and surrounding the button, all mounted under the faceplate. The switch is then actuated by a rod on the fulcrum of the button, poking into the heart of the unit. The result? Virtually indestructible cue switches, that still have the lightest touch around, and most of the Pioneer switches follow a similar design. Behringer just puts a PCB under a faceplate, and loosely mounts some buttons on top of it, that's the company you're talking about when you say a design is "quaint."
A products cost doesn't consist of pure "materials and manufacturing" and "R&D," virtually every single element of the product chain is implemented in the cost of the unit. Service and support, product distribution, advertising, promotion, and dozens of other things all have their cost built in to the cost of a unit. Im curious what "few gadgets" are anything close to the 10lb slab of engineering, technology, and premium quality parts that is the CDJ-2000, that don't have an equally high end price. But realistically, I believe Chinese shit the likes of Behringer, Gemini and Numark products with the "let's make a feature list and built it to a price point" methodology have seriously warped our expectations for a product's cost.
Good posting. I wonder if you work in the high quality R&D as your posting sounds like someone who knows? R&D is expensive when you are dealing with highest quality products. |
Nancey Inderlied 16.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by dope
I always laugh when people go off on a tirade about people believeing they know everything with their way to make you say what you didn't. Simply because it has few lights and a screen, it takes billions in R&D ? Your opnion is naturally fooled with a few gadgets. Any person with a tiny bit of common sense would understand that charging $1500 more than competition can't be justified with R&D only. Especially with a job mechanism that has been existing for 11 years, and CDJ players that are 100% of plastic. That's why this is hilariously quaint.
BTW : I don't really give a shit about Pioneer pricing, i'll pick 2k's soon anyway.
I can't tell if you're trolling or you've never actually opened up a CDJ or DJM, since you believe that CDJs are actually "100% plastic," I'm assuming the latter. Pioneer's engineering is some of the most intuitive I've ever seen in an electronics company. Virtually every single switch and seam on the units are designed to be as durable and ergonomic as possible. The cue switches on DJMs, one of the highest use switches on the unit, are mounted on the chassis, in the centre of the unit, under the dust plate, covered by a catch cup built into and surrounding the button, all mounted under the faceplate. The switch is then actuated by a rod on the fulcrum of the button, poking into the heart of the unit. The result? Virtually indestructible cue switches, that still have the lightest touch around, and most of the Pioneer switches follow a similar design. Behringer just puts a PCB under a faceplate, and loosely mounts some buttons on top of it, that's the company you're talking about when you say a design is "quaint."
A products cost doesn't consist of pure "materials and manufacturing" and "R&D," virtually every single element of the product chain is implemented in the cost of the unit. Service and support, product distribution, advertising, promotion, and dozens of other things all have their cost built in to the cost of a unit. Rekordbox alone was made by a contracted company, and is essentially given out for free, that development cost a lot of money, but isn't directly bringing revenue in. Im curious what "few gadgets" are anything close to the 10lb slab of engineering, technology, and premium quality parts that is the CDJ-2000, that don't have an equally high end price. But realistically, I believe Chinese shit the likes of Behringer, Gemini and Numark products with the "let's make a feature list and built it to a price point" methodology have seriously warped our expectations for a product's cost. |
Laurel Litchko 15.08.2012 | soooooo any news on this? should i hold off before selling my first born? |
Alfredo Tooher 15.08.2012 | it's only roughly $700 from competition worth comparing it to, not $1500 (unless you meant $1500 total cause you usually buy 2 decks?)
We are paying extra because Pioneer gives the rich dj's the gear for free so we pay for that difference! LOL |
Kasi Marget 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Pioneer doesn't actually make a massive margin off of each unit, they make a considerable amount, yes, but so does any high end manufacturer. However, they dont make the huge amounts everyone perceives them to make, and they definitely don't "overcharge" for things.
I always laugh when people go off on a tirade about companies like Apple and Pioneer with their "massively overpriced products" and "screwing their consumer's wallets" and "insanly huge margins." Simply because the products they deliver cater to a high end market, and their brand perception is naturally associated with a high end product line. Any person with a fundamental understanding of marketing and product support understands why this is hilariously quaint.
I always laugh when people go off on a tirade about people believeing they know everything with their way to make you say what you didn't. Simply because it has few lights and a screen, it takes billions in R&D ? Your opnion is naturally fooled with a few gadgets. Any person with a tiny bit of common sense would understand that charging $1500 more than competition can't be justified with R&D only. Especially with a job mechanism that has been existing for 11 years, and CDJ players that are 100% of plastic. That's why this is hilariously quaint.
BTW : I don't really give a shit about Pioneer pricing, i'll pick 2k's soon anyway. |
Hyman Werness 15.08.2012 | I currently use a macbook pro 13" 2012 and serato with 1200's and djm-900 nexus... our crew use cdj-850s too but id really like to snag the new 20000s when they come out... screw using anything other than a mac though!!! |
Celine Surico 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by wampaone
A lot of us dont wqnt to use a laptop on stage though...
I respect that view. Pio is one of the few that puts effort into high end R&D work on such laptop-less systems so they have my respect. But it's expensive work.
PS: And a MacBook Air is pretty cool as a DJ central system :-). |
Hyman Werness 15.08.2012 | A lot of us dont wqnt to use a laptop on stage though... |
Celine Surico 15.08.2012 | There's a reason the pro-industry is focusing on laptop and iPad integration. You move a lot of the cost and R&D concerning UI and playback into those devices and all you need to do is to write custom UI and sometimes drivers. |
Hyman Werness 15.08.2012 | The tech we want has been out for some time... usb 3.0 touch screen backlit led scrolling wav... the price SHOULD drop a little but it probly wont |
Makkins Clifton 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Yes, absolutely true. You could have a high priced item that is costly but the amount purchased is low (pro-gear) so the R&D costs have to be taken out somewhere...
Its not just the R&D-costs but also the part-costs itself. For example the jogwheel is pretty expensive and beyond what most manufacturers can do at the moment. |
Celine Surico 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Pioneer doesn't actually make a massive margin off of each unit, they make a considerable amount, yes, but so does any high end manufacturer. However, they dont make the huge amounts everyone perceives them to make, and they definitely don't "overcharge" for things.
I always laugh when people go off on a tirade about companies like Apple and Pioneer with their "massively overpriced products" and "screwing their consumer's wallets" and "insanly huge margins." Simply because the products they deliver cater to a high end market, and their brand perception is naturally associated with a high end product line. Any person with a fundamental understanding of marketing and product support understands why this is hilariously quaint.
Yes, absolutely true. You could have a high priced item that is costly but the amount purchased is low (pro-gear) so the R&D costs have to be taken out somewhere... |
Hyman Werness 15.08.2012 | i don't hear anyone complaining about $1500 1210-M5G's ... if you want the best you'll pay for it... and it's worth it!!! |
Nancey Inderlied 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by dope
Honestly, I don't really care about retailers, you're just an indermediate between the brand and the customer, but you have 0 power in the chain. Because of competition and the MSRP you can't really have the prices you want to, and you have more or less 0 impact on market. You're here because manufactureurs need you to sell their stuff, but that's it. You don't really decide of anything.
What I was saying is that Pioneer makes a really high margin per unit. So even though CDJs might not sell as much as controllers, you can be sure that Pioneer makes way more money from the DJ gear than any other company.
Pioneer doesn't actually make a massive margin off of each unit, they make a considerable amount, yes, but so does any high end manufacturer. However, they dont make the huge amounts everyone perceives them to make, and they definitely don't "overcharge" for things.
I always laugh when people go off on a tirade about companies like Apple and Pioneer with their "massively overpriced products" and "screwing their consumer's wallets" and "insanly huge margins." Simply because the products they deliver cater to a high end market, and their brand perception is naturally associated with a high end product line. Any person with a fundamental understanding of marketing and product support understands why this is hilariously quaint. |
Kasi Marget 15.08.2012 |
Originally Posted by Louie_V
Do you work for a pioneer dj authorized retailer?
i do so let me chime in... First, i've never had a customer come to me (or even call me for that matter) and want to purchase a CDJ for the sole purpose of hating controllers and "controllerism"... NEVER! Let me put it in focus for ya, Im sure no one has ever purchased a Ferrari because they hate ford mustangs...
Open your eyes. Just around here, a lot of guys drop cheap controllers for DVS or CDJs with HID. And I wasn't really willing to debate, I mean, it's set in stone that controllers will never be the industry standard, and therefore people will continue to buy CDJs.
Of course, with the EDM rise and stuff you will have way more wannabee kids who will pop in your retail store with $50 looking for a complete digital setup, but they are less likely to stay in the business and to "rule" the industry in the future.
Originally Posted by Louie_V
2nd. while the perception of pioneers prices is strictly objective, i can tell you if we are taking about percentages, i make more off selling hosa cables or what ever cables for that matter then i do off a CDJ, or DJM, or any pioneer unit, so while pioneer may or may not make a killing off a CDJ, we make a similar percentage as we do almost anything we sell.
Honestly, I don't really care about retailers, you're just an indermediate between the brand and the customer, but you have 0 power in the chain. Because of competition and the MSRP you can't really have the prices you want to, and you have more or less 0 impact on market. You're here because manufactureurs need you to sell their stuff, but that's it. You don't really decide of anything.
What I was saying is that Pioneer makes a really high margin per unit. So even though CDJs might not sell as much as controllers, you can be sure that Pioneer makes way more money from the DJ gear than any other company. |
Christiane Calamaco 14.08.2012 | Don't know if this is the right thread to be responding to your questions but, you can always DM me afterwards if this gets taken down but...I spin pretty much anything from Big room house to melodic and uplifting trance and everything in between. I don't like to limit myself but dance music has my heart. And it's funny you ask how I afford this set-up hah. I'm currently a student and work part-time while attending school (been working full-time for the summer), which shouldn't afford me enough cash to buy my set-up. BUT I was bought a nice amount of bonds by a close relative when I was very young that were going to go towards my college tuition, but my family ended up being able to pay without the bonds so they gave me the green light to buy my gear with that money after I finished my 3 month course at dubspot which was awesome! How about you??? |
Hyman Werness 14.08.2012 | HERE HERE!!! Luky Ryan we have the exact set up except i went with the Rockit 6 and added the 10S sub!!! i have 1200's now and i use serato the whole point of me willing to pay out the wazzooo is i don't want to HAVE to use my laptop anymore, and I'm not about to go out and search for vinyl or have to spend $400 every few months on keeping up with new tracks, i'd rather put that money into cdj's and i am an elitist... and you're right the Nexus is AMAZEBALLS!!!! what do you spin Luke? and what do you do to afford this set up? |