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Allen & Heath DX ...?
Posted on: 23.09.2009 by Shameka Wartgow
Whats this i spy?

http://www.xone.co.uk/dx/
Irving Lukesh
12.01.2010
anyone going to NAMM 2010 this week?

http://www.audioprointernational.com...ontrol-surface

Allen & heath will be located on stand 6474 Hall A at NAMM 2010 (held from January 14th to 17th at the Anaheim Convention Center). NAMM will also be the global launch of the [...] and the US launch for the XoneX MIDI USB controller.

somebody do a review/test with Traktor Pro!!!

and put it on youtube please. you'll be my legend for 2010
MadMan Ajms
07.12.2009
Originally Posted by Dragonfyre
Looks like PSSL is expecting these next week!

http://tiny.cc/0thfL
you trust that?
Freeda Johnsey
07.12.2009
Looks like PSSL is expecting these next week!

http://tiny.cc/0thfL
Kecia Wnukowski
04.11.2009
I recently sold my pair of cdjs1000, kept my djm 800 and bought a Xone 1d and a 2d.
At the time, I thougth also to buy instead a 4d but in the end I didn't want to spend that kind of money for a piece of new gear (and wanted to check on I could master correctly both 1d and 2d).

After some weeks of using them now I'll probably sell all the above to buy a DX (which I've already preorder, seems I'll get it before X-mas).

The decision came from the following:
- I don't want an external soundcard so having a built-in one in a piece of gear is nice
- I don't really need an analog mixer anymore
- 4 decks control and 4 channels (I must admit I'm a "more buttons and knobs available" whore so yes the dx offers a 4 decks control and even if it's not perfect as such as I'll have to switch layers it's still one of the best choice for the time being it seems)
- it weights less than a 4d and has been thought to be 'carryable' (well in a sense) and I just have to plug it on any other mixer if I have to play outside). I hate having to plug multiple cables.
- of course, I'm not fond of the A&H jogwheels but after using them a bit on my current stuff I could deal with them
- it seems it will feel 'professional' (didn't touch it yet but knowing A&h products Im' confident): it's a weird term and by that I mean there too many controllers out there that do look and feel like plastic toys (to be honest that includes the VCI100 - that's a subjective opinion once again so please let me have it we don't have to take "sides" you know so there's no offence here intended - even if I regognize some nice features on the Vestax products...and arcade buttons eventually which is just an awesome idea).
- I have the budget (or will)
- it has a major thing over a 4d, it has led feedback on many buttons (a huge lack on the 1d and 2d)


After searching around I don't see any other product that could be a better choice than the DX in my view/needs so if anyone has a better suggestion that I'm not aware of, please share it I'm really interested.
Freeda Johnsey
04.11.2009
I just emailed A&H off their website and that was my response. If you notice, he says, "street price" of $1299....probably retailing around that $1600 number.

The person supplying me the info was:

Michael Palmer
Allen & Heath National Sales Manager
http://www.allen-heath.com/us
American Music and Sound
Ph. 818-597-7711 xt 3514
Fx. 818.597.0411
Allen & Heath, Turbosound, Wharfedale Pro, Nord, Novation, Focusrite,
Vestax, KV2, Hagstrom, Jay Turser, QuickLok, Studiologic, Profile
Linette Skelnik
04.11.2009
January?!?! First it was late October, then November, then December... now January. I hate product launches. I see the price on most of the websites from the UK has reduced to around
Freeda Johnsey
05.11.2009
I just got this info from A&H:

We are going to be launching it January

USA MAP/street price will be $1299
Madlyn Trocino
03.11.2009
Just learned the Xone DX Size dimensions are 15" by 14" by 2" (Inches)
Linette Skelnik
14.10.2009
Originally Posted by thictool
Here's a Video Breakdown of the A&H XONE DX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuqp6Z42rA

Saw this last week, this seems to be ONLY video I can find anywhere online. There seems to not really be any new info around at all since the launch, you'd believe there'd be a bunch of stuff to promote it if the release is November, like reviews and stuff popping up at least? If anyone comes across anymore videos or in-depth articles on the DX please post.
Madlyn Trocino
13.10.2009
Here's a Video Breakdown of the A&H XONE DX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuqp6Z42rA
Madlyn Trocino
09.10.2009
Originally Posted by istrateo
I would bet that the mixer is in fact the same as the one in Xone 3D/4D. That means the mixer is analogue, you will be mixing "externally", the volume faders & EQ are "real", they do not send midi signals.

This is very good because the overall sound quality is better when you mix externally using a good analogue mixer.
No this is not true....I do know for a fact that the faders are midi capable.
Vernetta Sulenski
08.10.2009
The one thing I noticed about the pics of the DX is that there are no "SC" buttons on the Channels. On the 4D, each channel has two buttons that sends the hardware mixer signal to the soundcard. One for input and one for output.
Alysa Almy
08.10.2009
I would bet that the mixer is in fact the same as the one in Xone 3D/4D. That means the mixer is analogue, you will be mixing "externally", the volume faders & EQ are "real", they do not send midi signals.

This is very good because the overall sound quality is better when you mix externally using a good analogue mixer.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.10.2009
Yes as said above " there are RIAA/phono inputs for external decks "
Larry Iozzia
07.10.2009
Originally Posted by DJ_Ze_MigL
I believe the story about being able to have sound even if computer crashes is just like on the VCI-300... so basically the inputs will be bypassed to the output of the soundcard... much like the direct hardware monitoring on most "production soundcards"...
"... MERGENCY THRU SWITCH
The Emergency Thru Switch located on the rear panel is a countermeasure feature to avoid sound from stopping when the computer freezes. It instantly switches the output source from the computer to other audio players connected to the VCI-300. ...."

The inputs should be driven and controlled by ITCH ... so basically is just so that you can have someone use decks along with itch or mix different DJ setups!

My 2 cents,

Z
I remember reading or seeing somewhere (I'll try to dig up the link if I can) that you can run your iPod through the DX's mixer and beatmatch Itch to it, and also that there are analog inputs for decks. The mixer is definitely analog.
Luann Scatterday
07.10.2009
I believe the story about being able to have sound even if computer crashes is just like on the VCI-300... so basically the inputs will be bypassed to the output of the soundcard... much like the direct hardware monitoring on most "production soundcards"...
"... MERGENCY THRU SWITCH
The Emergency Thru Switch located on the rear panel is a countermeasure feature to avoid sound from stopping when the computer freezes. It instantly switches the output source from the computer to other audio players connected to the VCI-300. ...."

The inputs should be driven and controlled by ITCH ... so basically is just so that you can have someone use decks along with itch or mix different DJ setups!

My 2 cents,

Z
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.10.2009
Yeah the good thing is that there are RIAA/phono inputs for external decks.
This means in "THEORY" you could run Traktor Scratch & SSL through it !!!!!!!!!!
The mixer section must have analogue controls on at least 2 channels.

I believe the Demo guy meant that there are no Analogue Contols on the Deck parts of the DX... I dont believe he understood the customers question.

There are no A&H FX on the Unit as the Contoller sections are just midi contollers.
There are no Classic A&H FX contained in the new Itch..... FAIL.
Bari Pontoon
07.10.2009
Originally Posted by thictool
Weird cause Ive read in the Scratchworks community that you can connect a Backup audio source like an Ipod or whatever (in case of computer failure) and if your computer fails, you can still play the source through the mixer...

This would lead me to believe that there is some kind of analoge thing going on. How else would the unit sustain a sound output if the computer failed?

Perhaps only the Gain controls are Analoge?....Im confused...
Yeah I'm sure I read something about the mixer being analoge?
Madlyn Trocino
07.10.2009
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
The guy is asked if there are the Classic Allen & Heath FX and Demo guy says no because there are no analogue controls on he DX but surely they could have put Allen & Heath FX on the software . Traktor has Allen & Heath simulated FX.

Its very odd that Itch has not made use of Allen & Heaths classic FX when its a team up with A&H.

Those 4 waveforms will be hard to look at if you ask me.

The Controller , yeah maybe looks ok. Way to expensive. The software nada. Not for me

Lucky then that the DX will integrate with Traktor just as easily as with Itch.
Weird cause Ive read in the Scratchworks community that you can connect a Backup audio source like an Ipod or whatever (in case of computer failure) and if your computer fails, you can still play the source through the mixer...

This would lead me to believe that there is some kind of analoge thing going on. How else would the unit sustain a sound output if the computer failed?

Perhaps only the Gain controls are Analoge?....Im confused...
Kayleen Positano
06.10.2009
Looks nice, but I believe I'll go for a 3d, regardless.
Candace Carmouche
06.10.2009
the only thing i see this bringing to the table is a 20 channel soundcard. i just dont see how thats worth an extra 900 dollars
Latoria Kavulich
06.10.2009
Amazing unit. Unfortunately its way out of our price range right now.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.10.2009
The guy is asked if there are the Classic Allen & Heath FX and Demo guy says no because there are no analogue controls on he DX but surely they could have put Allen & Heath FX on the software . Traktor has Allen & Heath simulated FX.

Its very odd that Itch has not made use of Allen & Heaths classic FX when its a team up with A&H.

Those 4 waveforms will be hard to look at if you ask me.

The Controller , yeah maybe looks ok. Way to expensive. The software nada. Not for me

Lucky then that the DX will integrate with Traktor just as easily as with Itch.
Candace Carmouche
06.10.2009
i gotta say, a 1600 dollar controller with no analog filters, just a controller and mixer, nothing else, isnt really convincing me.

theres simply nothing this controller can do that my current setup cant.
Candace Carmouche
06.10.2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuqp6Z42rA
Nick Ross
05.10.2009
Originally Posted by thictool
Chilly are you serious? Im believeing no...but anyways I tryed to order one through DJDEALS UK but there was no option for American buyers.

Any leads?
I'm absolutely serious.

Now whether or not the order actually goes through is a different story lol
Madlyn Trocino
05.10.2009
Originally Posted by Chilly
I just ordered 2 of them from djdeals.com for $0.00 with free shipping.

I swear.
Chilly are you serious? Im believeing no...but anyways I tryed to order one through DJDEALS UK but there was no option for American buyers.

Any leads?
Madlyn Trocino
05.10.2009
Originally Posted by jonparker
you'll be pleased to hear that they're solid plastic.

I would have prefered something metalic like a cdj button but at least they're not rubber!
you just made my week......thank you !!!!!
Bari Pontoon
06.10.2009
Just seen the video on scratchworx from BPM - Looks alot better then the pictures show!!! So want this, time to sell everything that isn't nailed down Itch doesn't look to bad either
Fidel Fluet
05.10.2009
Hmm.. would ot fit in a dj bag like a VCi-100 or 300? or too big or could crack from plastic?
In terms of height and width it would defintiely fit in a laptop bag.
It's quite deep compared to a VCI-100 though so you'd need a big laptop bag.

My girlfriend has done a quick review on her new website with some more info and pictures (including soundcard inputs/outputs) if you're interested.

Also a bit more info confirmed on the Native Instruments controller too:

http://www.joannedj.com
MadMan Ajms
05.10.2009
Hmm.. would ot fit in a dj bag like a VCi-100 or 300? or too big or could crack from plastic?
Fidel Fluet
05.10.2009
Originally Posted by thictool
Now can someone tell me if the "Play" &."Cue" buttons on the DX are
sqwishy rubber buttons?
You'll be pleased to hear that they're solid plastic.

I would have prefered something metalic like a CDJ button but at least they're not rubber!
Madlyn Trocino
05.10.2009
Why is this even being discussed...who cares...

If you don't like the DX then move on and buy 2 or 3 VCIs.

Don't we have enough VCI cheerleaders in this community ..

Grant it there are some specs about the DX that I find irritating...but hell, its the coolest thing to come down the pile in years.

Honestly I'm a bit bored with the VCI after using it for the last
two years straight. We PC users can't even get a straight answer from NI or VESTAX as to why we experience freqent lockups while using the VCI-100 with Traktor...Not to mention a solution to the problem. And even more weird is that the VCI is Traktor certified?...really?

Can we stick to the matter at hand here instead of having a pissing contest?

Now can someone tell me if the "Play" &."Cue" buttons on the DX are
sqwishy rubber buttons?


DX ALL THE WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!
Nick Ross
05.10.2009
Originally Posted by Johbremat
I'm confused: how is it not feasible?

I've got three USB ports on my laptop, with an Audio 8 DJ and 2x VCI-100 running off it.
What's there to be confused about? First off you're on a pc...fine.

A concern for me is finding room for everything in a club. I'm not saying it can't be done, but lugging all of that plus setting it up, plus being comfortable with everything? I dunno man...

And finally, mapping everything. Making sure that neither unit cross sends information. Nightmare...

Or you just take one unit that does it all. hmmm....
Lindy Jonker
04.10.2009
Originally Posted by Chilly
It's just not feasable to have 2 x vci-100's and 1 soundcard. I own a vci-100se. I know what I'm talking about.

Believe what you want...
I'm confused: how is it not feasible?

I've got three USB ports on my laptop, with an Audio 8 DJ and 2x VCI-100 running off it.
Hertha Fang
04.10.2009
What with the CDJ's release and this we are seeing more expensive gear, which actually will divide the market (I believe) into people willing to plunk down more money for these pro controllers and people who would rather customize their setups with a few different controllers. Did I hear somewhere that the NI controller was rumored to be 200 dollars? If so I believe we have a winner. two of those with a ddm4k and a firebox would be a great setup for 4 decks and fx.

So for the people who aren't going to be spending the money to buy what we are given it is time to up the diy market.
Nick Ross
04.10.2009
who in their right mind would take a desktop setup and 2 vci-100s to a club? For one person?

pointless...
Kayleen Positano
04.10.2009
It could be if you're using a desktop instead of a laptop.

Not that it would be practical, but it could be done.
Nick Ross
04.10.2009
It's just not feasable to have 2 x vci-100's and 1 soundcard. I own a vci-100se. I know what I'm talking about.

Believe what you want...
Lindy Jonker
03.10.2009
Originally Posted by S4racen
Played with it today, it's very solid and the layout is quite intuitive....

Buy two vci's though and you've got a better set up and value for money IMO...

Cheers
D
Originally Posted by Chilly
Hell no. Buy 2 vci's, get ean's knobs and faders, and the overlay (to make it look and feel better than stock). Then get a high end sound card (like the Audio 8). Maybe then you'll have what that is.

Oh and you have to keep everything seperate and you'll need multiple usb inputs to handle all that.

Not the same yo.
2x VCI-100 all the way.

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