Clown DJ's
Clown DJ's Posted on: 14.05.2012 by Darren Teboe I was planning on posting this here and over on DJF, but someone already beat me to it there. I'm anticipating this to stir up some passionate feelings in certain people in both directions...http://robcifre.com/2012/05/11/the-c...m-music-scene/
I remember in the 90s when hip hop was damn good. When it was about the good life, being fun and energetic like, De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest, or when it was about real life in the streets like NaS, Smif-N-Wessun, Pete Rock… and in like all music you had the clowns, people like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer etc… But in the golden age of hip hop you would notice that you can name more of the ‘real’ artists then you could clowns.
Fast forward to today, the ‘real’ artists talking about real things don’t have much of a voice anymore. On the radio, on TV you hear and see these amazing performances. Songs written by other people. A dance choreographer to make sure all the moves are correct. A visual stylist to make sure the right image is being portrayed. I don’t watch much TV or listen to the radio at all, but i can name more clowns in todays music scene then I can the real players. MC Hammer in his clown suit. Hip Hop at its finest? What has happened in the music industry? Business happened. The goal is to make money. Most people start off real and then become this bubble gum pop artist to start to appeal to a bigger demographic. Ever wonder why everyone always says ‘yeah I like so and so but his/her stuff isn’t as good as when they first came out’. There is a reason for that. Money and the labels that basically own the artists now control the artist, the music and the image. DJ Bl3nd... This guy's mask was stolen and he stopped the music until he got it back. I’m now seeing this happen more in the EDM scene. “DJs” need to start wearing masks or taking off clothes in order to set themselves apart from other acts. Where the goal is to stand out more then it is to make people dance. Where people stand there and watch your ‘performance‘. I see this happening at a lot of festivals and shows. The dance scene has basically become a rock concert. Clown /klown/ Noun: A comic entertainer, esp. one in a circus, wearing a traditional costume and exaggerated makeup. Verb: Behave in a comical way; act playfully: “Harvey clowned around pretending to be a dog” Basically these acts who call themselves DJs get in front of everyone, wearing dumb makeup or a mask and act in a comical way, I laugh. Like for example when a DJ runs around on stage and then throws a big cake at someone, or when a DJ wears a mask and acts like a moron. In the following video we see Steve Aoki ‘clowning‘ around. You will notice all the people “Dancing” at this EDM event. But Aoki insists his act is really all about the music. “The most important thing, besides all the stunts that I do, it’s always the music,” he said. “The music is the number one thing.” So get back behind the decks and play some damn music then. I bring this up because during the 90s, the DJ was more of a GOD. You never saw him, yet everywhere you went he touched you with his music, the better the DJ the more you dance. Places like the original Sound Factory and the newer one were open for 12 hours straight with 1 DJ controlling the vibe of the main floor. Never once could you walk up to him or even see where his lit up booth was. All clubs were setup in this way, the focus was on the people. The music was about the people, the dance floor about the people, the light show about the people. Some places did have a stage for performances. Normally the performances were drag queens (guys in make up and masks) on stage, and then the focus was on them for a short time while the DJ controls the action. I was lucky enough to play at the Palladium in NYC. The place was simply amazing, and the DJ booth was not the focus. The DJ was the god for the evening and places like this were my church. When watching the video you will notice that the DJ booth was very lit up. The DJ was not seen but heard. He didn’t wear anything fancy and he wasn’t trying to be the visual center of attention, nor could he if he tried. Since the booth was hidden or ‘away from drunk requests’ is what I always called it. DJs stood out because of their specific styles of music. How they played the music is what made them who they were, no gimmicks, now crowd tricks, no masks… no clowning around. Derrick Carter has always been Derrick Carter. DJ Sneak is DJ Sneak… no mask. No funny gimmicks. It won’t make their music any better only distract me from dancing. Before the internet when all I had were mix tapes, I could hear a DJ and know who it was, yet have no idea if the DJ was male or female, or if they were even human. nor did I care, all that mattered was the music. Ask yourself... are the people watching you 'perform' as a DJ instead of dancing? We are not rockstars. We don’t learn silly dance moves. We do not wear silly masks or makeup. We are not a live performance. We feed off the crowds. We make them move. Set yourself apart by playing good music. If your a DJ doing all kinds of stupid gimmicks or wearing silly masks and you find that people are watching you instead of dancing, especially when your playing at an EDM (Electronic DANCE Music) event… Then you may be doing it wrong. I’m not the only one who believes somewhat like this, DJ Sneak called out the Swedish House Mafia for being a bunch of actors. Dennis Ferrer agreed with him. I also agreed with him. Leave a comment below if you have something to say, keep it clean, don’t be childish. Please like and share this if you agree with what I said… thanks! P.S. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s an opinion. If it quacks like a duck and if it looks like a duck… Follow me on Facebook for cooky thoughts unlike these. And for the record, one final time… I am not mad, some people got mad at me.. like I said.. I’m calling it like I see it… they are funny. clown like even. Just dont get mad if you act and look like a clown when my friends and I are laughing at your show instead of dancing to it. You make your bed, you sleep in it. | |
Efrain Scharr 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
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Efrain Scharr 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
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Rosenda Gossage 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rdale
In a similar way, I had absolutely no idea that Lady Waks was hot until I went to hear her play, and happened to incidentally see her. And this is the fundamental issue here. Most people go to "see" a DJ. I don't. From that perspective, Aoki (/SHM/David Guetta/Skrillex/Deadmau5 delete as appropriate) and his antics/music HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON ME OR MY LIFE. It's of no importance. It's not even a new thing, and not even related to Electronic Dance Music specifically. Someone's mentioned KISS - a pretty ordinary rock'n'roll band who got big with a gimmick. Heck, Elvis was "the pelvis". The Beatles (another, let's face it, pretty ordinary rock'n'roll band in the beginning at least) had their Mop Tops. Commercial success is commercial success. I couldn't care less if I get it or not. I just want to play the music I love ... |
Freida Leash 15.05.2012 | My thoughts on gimmicks is they better be damn good, or it is just not worth it. Rabbit In The Moon, great gimmick with a full blown stage show, terrific music. Some guy in a mask jumping around, pretty lame. |
Tesha Freudenstein 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
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Lela Umanskaya 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
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Matt Kane 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
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Lela Umanskaya 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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Erich Vallabhaneni 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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Efrain Scharr 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Otacon
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Georgina Schatzman 15.05.2012 | The end is near I tell you! It is the end of times! |
Velia Gant 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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Romelia Stankard 15.05.2012 | In other news Paris Hilton announced her DJ tour http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/par...our-yes-really |
Branden Wentler 16.05.2012 | It's one of those things though where I believe full retard is appro. Cause fits of full retard looks lame and contrived |
Erich Vallabhaneni 16.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
ouch man, that was pretty harsh I've heard that his sets are pre-recorded and such but him putting water in vodka bottles and tea in whiskey bottles doesn't make him an embarrassment, a poser maybe, but not an embarrassment. I in no way condone his music as it sounds like trash with Lil John in it all the time or some shit, but damn a bit much my friend. He should spend more time behind the decks and only hype the crowd/act a clown a few times per set. |
Romelia Stankard 16.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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Efrain Scharr 15.05.2012 | Aoki is so F_CKING terrible! The best is Seth Troxler called him out for being a fraud! Said Aoki has water in vodka bottles, and iced tea in his whiskey bottles! LOL! What a clown! I mean this Aoki jacka$$ takes it to a whole different level of being a f_cking embarrassment to our industry. Like believeing it sooo coooool to throw cake at people etc. Give me a break! And his music is horrible! I would love to meet that dude and level him just for being such an embarrassment! If he died tomorrow I would smile! |
Branden Wentler 15.05.2012 | KISS Anyone remember these guys? Are we seeing the emergence of glam jockeys? Dolled up spinsters acting the clown giving the audience the license to let go as well? This is something philosoraptor should chime in on. As I await an answer there's some tunes I need to purchase and find some good loop points with. History and thought class is now over for me. Ta ta |
Random X 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
Point is, we don't want the DJTT community to be known as a bunch of loudmouths. That said, on with the topic. |
Leeanna Ayla 15.05.2012 | |
Erich Vallabhaneni 15.05.2012 | me and my friend wear masks when we play, but we dont "clown around". We start off not wearing them, then as the show builds up and everyone's dancing and having a good time till we finally reach the 140 bpm point (last 45min-hour) we smoke the place out and throw our masks on and everyone goes wild. I never leave my decks, and he never leaves his VJ setup, but we use masks to kinda show the final transformation of the energy level/crowd. I believe as long as your main focus is the music and your crowd you should do whatever you feel is necessary for everyone to have a great time and experience music the way you see it. Just my 2 cents |
Daniell Kosharek 15.05.2012 | It's kinda complicated. But I'll use Harry J. Friedman as an example. Harry J. Friedman used an awful tie everyday as a salesman. Why? Maybe his clients couldn't remember his name, but "the guy with the funny tie" sold to them. When I see somebody using masks I always remember Friedman. Deadmau5, Bl3nd, Slipknot, heck even V for Vendetta! (someone wants me to slap for it) but masks or makeups could transform into symbols! And THAT means success. A LOT of people could see the Deadmau5 logo and tell that belongs to a DJ. But all the criticism over the performance on stage should be evaluated. What is a DJ? The guy who records songs and play a pre-recorded set over and over again, and focuses on the audience and energy, or the guy who can't put the eyes off their Macbook pro looking for the perfect song to mix after another, forgetting the audience? |
Francie Gindin 15.05.2012 | There will always be good house music. There will always be people who enjoy listening to it and mixing it. Irrespective of the mainstream pop/'EDM'/electro/ electronic music being hammered on the radio and at festivals, the 'good' stuff is going to survive. Although I agree with Sneak's underlying sentiments I ask the question: What difference does it make if SHM or Aoki are playing a poptastic tripe show to a bunch of people who don't give a shit anyway? The intended audience are the sort of folks who won't be found digging the crates, learning (or caring) about the history, or even attending small club evening s. House music has for most of its duration been underground with brief glimpses into mainstream culture. With advances of communication technology I'm sure that most of the people listening to SHM et al have actually had some exposure to the 'good stuff'. Guess what, much like the 1.5 generations before them the vast majority of people have no interest in it. House music is well sited in the margins and I'm perfectly ok with that. I'm not quite sure why Sneak is not... I am aware that Sneak is a passionate man but I don't really see why he is getting so worked up. He is in a somewhat different market to these pop folks and wouldn't be headlining if they weren't playing because these gigs simply wouldn't exist at their present scale and frequency. That implies that the audience aren't the type that would go and listen to Sneak play...\ The overzealous pointing out of the crap stuff is akin to a first chair classically trained musician ripping on Andre Rieu; the first chair is likely technically better but the masses (and Rieu) don't care. I'm glad someone with merit has pointed out the elephant in the room and been supported by other with merit. Carrying on with it is starting to sound more like misguided sour grapes than passion IMHO... |
Lorna Hagerty 15.05.2012 | Why do people argue about what someone else is doing? People Love watching Aoki jump about like an idiot on stage and it makes for an entertaining performance. If DJ Blend wants to stop the music until he got his mask back who gives a crap, he might just get a bad response from his immediate audience. Personally I would get pretty cranky if that happened but not at Blend I'd get pissed at the guy that flogged his mask. Arguing over pointless crap if moronic. Just my 2cents |
Alla Bluemke 15.05.2012 | Not for nothing but I f*cking hate aoki. Mostly for his sh!t music and his terrible attitude and presence. Hes literally the worse thing to happen to electronic ever imo. Cakes in the face, barely behind the decks, champagne all over, what a douchebag. |
Matt Kane 15.05.2012 | imho this rant seems a bit pointless to me. |
Rodger Seferovic 15.05.2012 | I'll admit I'm a clown DJ. |
Nancey Inderlied 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
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Johnsie Kingrea 15.05.2012 | This is such a broad topic with some many different angles to look at. I believe the reason why people get so heated about guys like Aoki, Skrillex, DJ Bl3nd is because it affects all of us. Whether you like it or not these guys have a lot of influence on people (55 million views by DJ Bl3nd) and this influences what people believe of DJs. So when they see Aoki/Bl3nd bouncing around all over the place with a barrage of slamming electro tracks they believe anything less is bad. This puts a lot of DJ's in an awkward situation. Not every DJ wants to bounce around/throw cakes/wear a mask. Some DJ's just want to create a groove, put together a technical set, set a laidback vibe. When people see things like the view counts of these artists on youtube or how big they're getting they believe they have to do that too, so it really dilutes the creativity and individuality of each person. This doesn't mean you have to do something that no one has done before or that's super unique. It's really a matter of tapping into why you do what you do and focusing on what makes you tick as a DJ. I'd say festivals are part of the problem as well. They've turned DJ sets into more then just a set. They're a full on performance and the scale just keeps getting bigger. The problem is people expect this scale anytime they see a DJ now. The energy level of 10000 people doesn't match the energy level of a 400 capacity club/lounge. This is where it is necessary to set the vibe rather then dropping Skrillex at the start of your set (which is what most amateurs will request when it's 8pm). It's quite ironic that we are even in this situation. Technology and the internet has made it possible for almost anyone to be a DJ. The internet also allowed for an expanded musical horizon, it is now possible to have a very diverse collection of music, yet everyone expects your sets to be similar to the big guys. So it's ironic that even though there should now be smaller niche followings for certain music, there is still one massive push behind these big guys. And unfortunately there is a huuuge gap between the niche groups and the mainstream followers. I don't really know what the remedy is but really it's a circle of life thing. The real guys will stay, fakes will get washed away. This whole scene will peak like a wave and eventually come back down again and we'll all have a laugh. Until then have a laugh at your festival audience here. |
Alla Bluemke 15.05.2012 | I follow sneak just to see what shit he starts. People get sooooooo heated with his shit. He is totally a grumpy old man stuck in his ways, but hes funny as hell. He is right calling what they play house is totally way off. |
Judi Sissel 15.05.2012 | Drugs, fame and fortune. [/thread].... |
Georgina Schatzman 15.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
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Johnetta Olewine 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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Georgina Schatzman 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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Romelia Stankard 14.05.2012 | Yeah it's a bit much but he's right and it's hilarious. Glad someone is doing it. I might finally join twitter just to follow him. |
Lela Umanskaya 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by sobi
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Johnetta Olewine 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by 1mco
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Darren Teboe 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by The Pancaker
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Darren Teboe 14.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
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Alfred Takala 14.05.2012 | i should start following dj sneak just for the tweets... |
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