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Clown DJ's
Posted on: 14.05.2012 by Darren Teboe
I was planning on posting this here and over on DJF, but someone already beat me to it there. I'm anticipating this to stir up some passionate feelings in certain people in both directions...

http://robcifre.com/2012/05/11/the-c...m-music-scene/

I remember in the 90s when hip hop was damn good. When it was about the good life, being fun and energetic like, De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest, or when it was about real life in the streets like NaS, Smif-N-Wessun, Pete Rock… and in like all music you had the clowns, people like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer etc… But in the golden age of hip hop you would notice that you can name more of the ‘real’ artists then you could clowns.

Fast forward to today, the ‘real’ artists talking about real things don’t have much of a voice anymore. On the radio, on TV you hear and see these amazing performances. Songs written by other people. A dance choreographer to make sure all the moves are correct. A visual stylist to make sure the right image is being portrayed. I don’t watch much TV or listen to the radio at all, but i can name more clowns in todays music scene then I can the real players.

MC Hammer in his clown suit. Hip Hop at its finest?

What has happened in the music industry? Business happened. The goal is to make money. Most people start off real and then become this bubble gum pop artist to start to appeal to a bigger demographic. Ever wonder why everyone always says ‘yeah I like so and so but his/her stuff isn’t as good as when they first came out’. There is a reason for that. Money and the labels that basically own the artists now control the artist, the music and the image.

DJ Bl3nd... This guy's mask was stolen and he stopped the music until he got it back.

I’m now seeing this happen more in the EDM scene. “DJs” need to start wearing masks or taking off clothes in order to set themselves apart from other acts. Where the goal is to stand out more then it is to make people dance. Where people stand there and watch your ‘performance‘. I see this happening at a lot of festivals and shows. The dance scene has basically become a rock concert.

Clown /klown/

Noun: A comic entertainer, esp. one in a circus, wearing a traditional costume and exaggerated makeup.
Verb: Behave in a comical way; act playfully: “Harvey clowned around pretending to be a dog”
Basically these acts who call themselves DJs get in front of everyone, wearing dumb makeup or a mask and act in a comical way, I laugh. Like for example when a DJ runs around on stage and then throws a big cake at someone, or when a DJ wears a mask and acts like a moron. In the following video we see Steve Aoki ‘clowning‘ around. You will notice all the people “Dancing” at this EDM event.

But Aoki insists his act is really all about the music. “The most important thing, besides all the stunts that I do, it’s always the music,” he said. “The music is the number one thing.”

So get back behind the decks and play some damn music then.

I bring this up because during the 90s, the DJ was more of a GOD. You never saw him, yet everywhere you went he touched you with his music, the better the DJ the more you dance. Places like the original Sound Factory and the newer one were open for 12 hours straight with 1 DJ controlling the vibe of the main floor. Never once could you walk up to him or even see where his lit up booth was. All clubs were setup in this way, the focus was on the people. The music was about the people, the dance floor about the people, the light show about the people. Some places did have a stage for performances. Normally the performances were drag queens (guys in make up and masks) on stage, and then the focus was on them for a short time while the DJ controls the action.

I was lucky enough to play at the Palladium in NYC. The place was simply amazing, and the DJ booth was not the focus. The DJ was the god for the evening and places like this were my church. When watching the video you will notice that the DJ booth was very lit up. The DJ was not seen but heard. He didn’t wear anything fancy and he wasn’t trying to be the visual center of attention, nor could he if he tried. Since the booth was hidden or ‘away from drunk requests’ is what I always called it.

DJs stood out because of their specific styles of music. How they played the music is what made them who they were, no gimmicks, now crowd tricks, no masks… no clowning around. Derrick Carter has always been Derrick Carter. DJ Sneak is DJ Sneak… no mask. No funny gimmicks. It won’t make their music any better only distract me from dancing. Before the internet when all I had were mix tapes, I could hear a DJ and know who it was, yet have no idea if the DJ was male or female, or if they were even human. nor did I care, all that mattered was the music.

Ask yourself... are the people watching you 'perform' as a DJ instead of dancing?

We are not rockstars. We don’t learn silly dance moves. We do not wear silly masks or makeup. We are not a live performance. We feed off the crowds. We make them move. Set yourself apart by playing good music. If your a DJ doing all kinds of stupid gimmicks or wearing silly masks and you find that people are watching you instead of dancing, especially when your playing at an EDM (Electronic DANCE Music) event… Then you may be doing it wrong.

I’m not the only one who believes somewhat like this, DJ Sneak called out the Swedish House Mafia for being a bunch of actors. Dennis Ferrer agreed with him. I also agreed with him. Leave a comment below if you have something to say, keep it clean, don’t be childish. Please like and share this if you agree with what I said… thanks!

P.S. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s an opinion. If it quacks like a duck and if it looks like a duck…

Follow me on Facebook for cooky thoughts unlike these.

And for the record, one final time… I am not mad, some people got mad at me.. like I said.. I’m calling it like I see it… they are funny. clown like even. Just dont get mad if you act and look like a clown when my friends and I are laughing at your show instead of dancing to it. You make your bed, you sleep in it.
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Call me a hippy, but I can't get on board with anyone threatening violence (no matter how tongue in cheek) over something as trivial as DJing skills (or lack there of).
I'm not seriously going to beat some guy up over his terrible "music" and his acts of bafoonery... I'm simply just expressing how much I dislike this clown's style, or lack there of..
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
You sound tough bro.
Sounding tough and being tough are 2 very different things, but I use my real name here so people know who I am in person.
Rosenda Gossage
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by rdale
My thoughts on gimmicks is they better be damn good, or it is just not worth it. Rabbit In The Moon, great gimmick with a full blown stage show, terrific music. Some guy in a mask jumping around, pretty lame.
Did they have a gimmick? I had no idea - I thought they just made absolutely stunning music.

In a similar way, I had absolutely no idea that Lady Waks was hot until I went to hear her play, and happened to incidentally see her.

And this is the fundamental issue here. Most people go to "see" a DJ. I don't. From that perspective, Aoki (/SHM/David Guetta/Skrillex/Deadmau5 delete as appropriate) and his antics/music HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON ME OR MY LIFE. It's of no importance.

It's not even a new thing, and not even related to Electronic Dance Music specifically. Someone's mentioned KISS - a pretty ordinary rock'n'roll band who got big with a gimmick. Heck, Elvis was "the pelvis". The Beatles (another, let's face it, pretty ordinary rock'n'roll band in the beginning at least) had their Mop Tops.

Commercial success is commercial success. I couldn't care less if I get it or not. I just want to play the music I love ...
Freida Leash
15.05.2012
My thoughts on gimmicks is they better be damn good, or it is just not worth it. Rabbit In The Moon, great gimmick with a full blown stage show, terrific music. Some guy in a mask jumping around, pretty lame.
Tesha Freudenstein
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
actually yesterday sneak went on the offensive with An21 and a few other swedes.

http://twitter.com/#!/AN21/status/201813214445572096
i don't really know how to feel about this right now. i mean i respect the man but he seems to try wage war against everybody (afrojack, AN21, steve angello, max vangeli) and everything popular when all he does is spread some bad vibes and getting even uninvolved people pissed (chuckie, junior sanchez). i mean c'mon. don't you have anything better to do? calling steve angello out was one thing but he is just making himself seem ridiculous in my opinion. i mean he either is really dwelling on that shit or he sure is trying to provoke hard.
Lela Umanskaya
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
he is! he
Matt Kane
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
You sound tough bro.
he is! he
Lela Umanskaya
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Harsh will be when I f_ckstart his face with my foot! I hate these clowns!
You sound tough bro.
Erich Vallabhaneni
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Harsh will be when I f_ckstart his face with my foot! I hate these clowns!
how about ya f_uckstart Paris's face? I can agree to that insanity. She should be kept away from anything and everything music related.
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by Otacon
ouch man, that was pretty harsh I've heard that his sets are pre-recorded and such but him putting water in vodka bottles and tea in whiskey bottles doesn't make him an embarrassment, a poser maybe, but not an embarrassment. I in no way condone his music as it sounds like trash with Lil John in it all the time or some shit, but damn a bit much my friend. He should spend more time behind the decks and only hype the crowd/act a clown a few times per set.
Harsh will be when I f_ckstart his face with my foot! I hate these clowns!
Georgina Schatzman
15.05.2012
The end is near I tell you! It is the end of times!
Velia Gant
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
In other news Paris Hilton announced her DJ tour

http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/par...our-yes-really
jesus christ! now they just gotta get danny dyer to do the warm-up set !
Romelia Stankard
15.05.2012
In other news Paris Hilton announced her DJ tour

http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/par...our-yes-really
Branden Wentler
16.05.2012
It's one of those things though where I believe full retard is appro. Cause fits of full retard looks lame and contrived
Erich Vallabhaneni
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Aoki is so F_CKING terrible! The best is Seth Troxler called him out for being a fraud! Said Aoki has water in vodka bottles, and iced tea in his whiskey bottles! LOL! What a clown! I mean this Aoki jacka$$ takes it to a whole different level of being a f_cking embarrassment to our industry. Like believeing it sooo coooool to throw cake at people etc. Give me a break! And his music is horrible! I would love to meet that dude and level him just for being such an embarrassment! If he died tomorrow I would smile!

ouch man, that was pretty harsh I've heard that his sets are pre-recorded and such but him putting water in vodka bottles and tea in whiskey bottles doesn't make him an embarrassment, a poser maybe, but not an embarrassment. I in no way condone his music as it sounds like trash with Lil John in it all the time or some shit, but damn a bit much my friend. He should spend more time behind the decks and only hype the crowd/act a clown a few times per set.
Romelia Stankard
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Aoki is so F_CKING terrible! The best is Seth Troxler called him out for being a fraud! Said Aoki has water in vodka bottles, and iced tea in his whiskey bottles! LOL! What a clown! I mean this Aoki jacka$$ takes it to a whole different level of being a f_cking embarrassment to our industry. Like believeing it sooo coooool to throw cake at people etc. Give me a break! And his music is horrible! I would love to meet that dude and level him just for being such an embarrassment! If he died tomorrow I would smile!
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Aoki is so F_CKING terrible! The best is Seth Troxler called him out for being a fraud! Said Aoki has water in vodka bottles, and iced tea in his whiskey bottles! LOL! What a clown! I mean this Aoki jacka$$ takes it to a whole different level of being a f_cking embarrassment to our industry. Like believeing it sooo coooool to throw cake at people etc. Give me a break! And his music is horrible! I would love to meet that dude and level him just for being such an embarrassment! If he died tomorrow I would smile!
Branden Wentler
15.05.2012
KISS
Anyone remember these guys? Are we seeing the emergence of glam jockeys? Dolled up spinsters acting the clown giving the audience the license to let go as well? This is something philosoraptor should chime in on. As I await an answer there's some tunes I need to purchase and find some good loop points with. History and thought class is now over for me.
Ta ta
Random X
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
who did it offend? Aoki?


Don't flatter yourselves guys, I don't believe he reads the community
That's not the point oliosky, though I can tell you there's many famous lurkers here.

Point is, we don't want the DJTT community to be known as a bunch of loudmouths. That said, on with the topic.
Leeanna Ayla
15.05.2012
Erich Vallabhaneni
15.05.2012
me and my friend wear masks when we play, but we dont "clown around". We start off not wearing them, then as the show builds up and everyone's dancing and having a good time till we finally reach the 140 bpm point (last 45min-hour) we smoke the place out and throw our masks on and everyone goes wild. I never leave my decks, and he never leaves his VJ setup, but we use masks to kinda show the final transformation of the energy level/crowd. I believe as long as your main focus is the music and your crowd you should do whatever you feel is necessary for everyone to have a great time and experience music the way you see it. Just my 2 cents
Daniell Kosharek
15.05.2012
It's kinda complicated.

But I'll use Harry J. Friedman as an example. Harry J. Friedman used an awful tie everyday as a salesman. Why? Maybe his clients couldn't remember his name, but "the guy with the funny tie" sold to them.

When I see somebody using masks I always remember Friedman. Deadmau5, Bl3nd, Slipknot, heck even V for Vendetta! (someone wants me to slap for it) but masks or makeups could transform into symbols! And THAT means success. A LOT of people could see the Deadmau5 logo and tell that belongs to a DJ.

But all the criticism over the performance on stage should be evaluated. What is a DJ? The guy who records songs and play a pre-recorded set over and over again, and focuses on the audience and energy, or the guy who can't put the eyes off their Macbook pro looking for the perfect song to mix after another, forgetting the audience?
Francie Gindin
15.05.2012
There will always be good house music. There will always be people who enjoy listening to it and mixing it.

Irrespective of the mainstream pop/'EDM'/electro/ electronic music being hammered on the radio and at festivals, the 'good' stuff is going to survive. Although I agree with Sneak's underlying sentiments I ask the question: What difference does it make if SHM or Aoki are playing a poptastic tripe show to a bunch of people who don't give a shit anyway? The intended audience are the sort of folks who won't be found digging the crates, learning (or caring) about the history, or even attending small club evening s.

House music has for most of its duration been underground with brief glimpses into mainstream culture. With advances of communication technology I'm sure that most of the people listening to SHM et al have actually had some exposure to the 'good stuff'. Guess what, much like the 1.5 generations before them the vast majority of people have no interest in it. House music is well sited in the margins and I'm perfectly ok with that. I'm not quite sure why Sneak is not...

I am aware that Sneak is a passionate man but I don't really see why he is getting so worked up. He is in a somewhat different market to these pop folks and wouldn't be headlining if they weren't playing because these gigs simply wouldn't exist at their present scale and frequency. That implies that the audience aren't the type that would go and listen to Sneak play...\

The overzealous pointing out of the crap stuff is akin to a first chair classically trained musician ripping on Andre Rieu; the first chair is likely technically better but the masses (and Rieu) don't care.

I'm glad someone with merit has pointed out the elephant in the room and been supported by other with merit. Carrying on with it is starting to sound more like misguided sour grapes than passion IMHO...
Lorna Hagerty
15.05.2012
Why do people argue about what someone else is doing? People Love watching Aoki jump about like an idiot on stage and it makes for an entertaining performance. If DJ Blend wants to stop the music until he got his mask back who gives a crap, he might just get a bad response from his immediate audience. Personally I would get pretty cranky if that happened but not at Blend I'd get pissed at the guy that flogged his mask. Arguing over pointless crap if moronic. Just my 2cents
Alla Bluemke
15.05.2012
Not for nothing but I f*cking hate aoki. Mostly for his sh!t music and his terrible attitude and presence. Hes literally the worse thing to happen to electronic ever imo. Cakes in the face, barely behind the decks, champagne all over, what a douchebag.
Matt Kane
15.05.2012
imho this rant seems a bit pointless to me.
Rodger Seferovic
15.05.2012
I'll admit I'm a clown DJ.
Nancey Inderlied
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
Whether you like it or not these guys have a lot of influence on people (55 million views by DJ Bl3nd) and this influences what people believe of DJs. So when they see Aoki/Bl3nd bouncing around all over the place with a barrage of slamming electro tracks they believe anything less is bad. This puts a lot of DJ's in an awkward situation. Not every DJ wants to bounce around/throw cakes/wear a mask. Some DJ's just want to create a groove, put together a technical set, set a laidback vibe. When people see things like the view counts of these artists on youtube or how big they're getting they believe they have to do that too, so it really dilutes the creativity and individuality of each person.
This statement is something I hear all the time, but it makes absolutely no sense, and is kind of contradictory. If you don't give a care about what the crowd wants and just want to "set a laidback" vibe, then why do you care about what people perceive you as? It doesn't make any sense, if you're not there to give them the energy they want, why does it matter what they believe of you? And why is it a bad thing that people are willing to blow the fucking doors off and put on a good show? Should all DJs just slump down and play nothing but soft technical sets, making the bored punters just deal with that?
Johnsie Kingrea
15.05.2012
This is such a broad topic with some many different angles to look at. I believe the reason why people get so heated about guys like Aoki, Skrillex, DJ Bl3nd is because it affects all of us. Whether you like it or not these guys have a lot of influence on people (55 million views by DJ Bl3nd) and this influences what people believe of DJs. So when they see Aoki/Bl3nd bouncing around all over the place with a barrage of slamming electro tracks they believe anything less is bad. This puts a lot of DJ's in an awkward situation. Not every DJ wants to bounce around/throw cakes/wear a mask. Some DJ's just want to create a groove, put together a technical set, set a laidback vibe. When people see things like the view counts of these artists on youtube or how big they're getting they believe they have to do that too, so it really dilutes the creativity and individuality of each person. This doesn't mean you have to do something that no one has done before or that's super unique. It's really a matter of tapping into why you do what you do and focusing on what makes you tick as a DJ.

I'd say festivals are part of the problem as well. They've turned DJ sets into more then just a set. They're a full on performance and the scale just keeps getting bigger. The problem is people expect this scale anytime they see a DJ now. The energy level of 10000 people doesn't match the energy level of a 400 capacity club/lounge. This is where it is necessary to set the vibe rather then dropping Skrillex at the start of your set (which is what most amateurs will request when it's 8pm).

It's quite ironic that we are even in this situation. Technology and the internet has made it possible for almost anyone to be a DJ. The internet also allowed for an expanded musical horizon, it is now possible to have a very diverse collection of music, yet everyone expects your sets to be similar to the big guys. So it's ironic that even though there should now be smaller niche followings for certain music, there is still one massive push behind these big guys. And unfortunately there is a huuuge gap between the niche groups and the mainstream followers.

I don't really know what the remedy is but really it's a circle of life thing. The real guys will stay, fakes will get washed away. This whole scene will peak like a wave and eventually come back down again and we'll all have a laugh. Until then have a laugh at your festival audience here.


Alla Bluemke
15.05.2012
I follow sneak just to see what shit he starts. People get sooooooo heated with his shit. He is totally a grumpy old man stuck in his ways, but hes funny as hell. He is right calling what they play house is totally way off.
Judi Sissel
15.05.2012
Drugs, fame and fortune. [/thread]....
Georgina Schatzman
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
Thats funny because sneak plays alot of filtered house. Oh the irony
I was waiting to see how long it would take for some one to mention this

Johnetta Olewine
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Same here, always interesting to see what he has to say. No filter on him
Thats funny because sneak plays alot of filtered house. Oh the irony
Georgina Schatzman
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Yeah it's a bit much but he's right and it's hilarious. Glad someone is doing it.

I might finally join twitter just to follow him.
Same here, always interesting to see what he has to say. No filter on him
Romelia Stankard
14.05.2012
Yeah it's a bit much but he's right and it's hilarious. Glad someone is doing it.

I might finally join twitter just to follow him.
Lela Umanskaya
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
There is no hate. I just stated (as did the quoted article) he concentrates on sideshow gimmicks rather than keeping it all about the music. Why confuse stating facts as hate? For performance and stage presence, I enjoy guys like Carl Cox who can give a show by amazing me with skill and technique. When I want more of a performance with music, I'll go see Stomp or Blue Man Group. They do a much better job.
I meant the general hate, not you specifically. My opinion is that DJ Sneak needs to spend less time on Twitter, he kind of sounds like a grumpy old man.
Johnetta Olewine
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by 1mco
i should start following dj sneak just for the tweets...
great minds eh. Started following him about an hour ago.
Darren Teboe
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by The Pancaker
I'm currently at crossroads regarding the opinion this article expresses. On one hand, if the crowd is having a good time, then who cares? I know I've had fun listening to Dj's jumping around to their music/show not caring a single bit about not being dancing. But on the other hand, it's true that now it seems like a big rock concert instead of dancing.

I'm gonna speak out of complete ignorance here since my trip withing EDM barely begun a few years ago. But I've always understood that House music was about "feeling the music" and "letting yourself be driven away by it", catching a certain groove and beat and what not (I could probably go and say the same thing about trance and psytrance from where I actually started liking EDM, albeit knowing practically naught about the genres). I do believe that dancing should be what's elicited by the music, understanding that jumping around like an idiot can also be one of its consequences. But it's true, mainstream electro dj's/producers are now focused mainly on making people jump like it was the end of the world. And songs barely have "the groove" anymore. I personally LIKE it, but at the same time, I don't. I mean, I love letting myself go and jump and feel the energy, but I also love being carried away and enjoy the good ride some DJ's provide. I've had TONS of fun listening to Laidback Luke, Afrojack, Chuckie, Fedde le Grand, etc, but I believe I've enjoyed much more those Dj's who made me embrace the music and just go with it. Guys like John Digweed come to mind. And I actually DANCED to his set instead of jumping.

So as a Dj I've been wondering. What do I really want? I do like the idea of having people jumping like hysterical monkeys to my drop, but at the same time, I don't like the idea of people expecting what MYSELF have to offer, instead of listening and embracing what the MUSIC has to offer by itself. Of course there is always an "in between" and that's what good DJ's can do. But I dunno... as I said, I'm at crossroads with the subject.
Jumping around like lunatics was never an issue. I've been part of the dance music scene for almost 2 decades. When I started, it didn't matter what you did on a dancefloor, and in my opinion, it still doesn't. That's not really the topic. We're more focused on the DJ, what he does, and the reasons why people are focusing on the DJ and/or their music.
Darren Teboe
14.05.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Is that such a bad thing? I don't understand the hate, as long as people are leaving happy. Good for him.
There is no hate. I just stated (as did the quoted article) he concentrates on sideshow gimmicks rather than keeping it all about the music. Why confuse stating facts as hate? For performance and stage presence, I enjoy guys like Carl Cox who can give a show by amazing me with skill and technique. When I want more of a performance with music, I'll go see Stomp or Blue Man Group. They do a much better job.
Alfred Takala
14.05.2012
i should start following dj sneak just for the tweets...

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