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Clown DJ's
Posted on: 14.05.2012 by Darren Teboe
I was planning on posting this here and over on DJF, but someone already beat me to it there. I'm anticipating this to stir up some passionate feelings in certain people in both directions...

http://robcifre.com/2012/05/11/the-c...m-music-scene/

I remember in the 90s when hip hop was damn good. When it was about the good life, being fun and energetic like, De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest, or when it was about real life in the streets like NaS, Smif-N-Wessun, Pete Rock… and in like all music you had the clowns, people like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer etc… But in the golden age of hip hop you would notice that you can name more of the ‘real’ artists then you could clowns.

Fast forward to today, the ‘real’ artists talking about real things don’t have much of a voice anymore. On the radio, on TV you hear and see these amazing performances. Songs written by other people. A dance choreographer to make sure all the moves are correct. A visual stylist to make sure the right image is being portrayed. I don’t watch much TV or listen to the radio at all, but i can name more clowns in todays music scene then I can the real players.

MC Hammer in his clown suit. Hip Hop at its finest?

What has happened in the music industry? Business happened. The goal is to make money. Most people start off real and then become this bubble gum pop artist to start to appeal to a bigger demographic. Ever wonder why everyone always says ‘yeah I like so and so but his/her stuff isn’t as good as when they first came out’. There is a reason for that. Money and the labels that basically own the artists now control the artist, the music and the image.

DJ Bl3nd... This guy's mask was stolen and he stopped the music until he got it back.

I’m now seeing this happen more in the EDM scene. “DJs” need to start wearing masks or taking off clothes in order to set themselves apart from other acts. Where the goal is to stand out more then it is to make people dance. Where people stand there and watch your ‘performance‘. I see this happening at a lot of festivals and shows. The dance scene has basically become a rock concert.

Clown /klown/

Noun: A comic entertainer, esp. one in a circus, wearing a traditional costume and exaggerated makeup.
Verb: Behave in a comical way; act playfully: “Harvey clowned around pretending to be a dog”
Basically these acts who call themselves DJs get in front of everyone, wearing dumb makeup or a mask and act in a comical way, I laugh. Like for example when a DJ runs around on stage and then throws a big cake at someone, or when a DJ wears a mask and acts like a moron. In the following video we see Steve Aoki ‘clowning‘ around. You will notice all the people “Dancing” at this EDM event.

But Aoki insists his act is really all about the music. “The most important thing, besides all the stunts that I do, it’s always the music,” he said. “The music is the number one thing.”

So get back behind the decks and play some damn music then.

I bring this up because during the 90s, the DJ was more of a GOD. You never saw him, yet everywhere you went he touched you with his music, the better the DJ the more you dance. Places like the original Sound Factory and the newer one were open for 12 hours straight with 1 DJ controlling the vibe of the main floor. Never once could you walk up to him or even see where his lit up booth was. All clubs were setup in this way, the focus was on the people. The music was about the people, the dance floor about the people, the light show about the people. Some places did have a stage for performances. Normally the performances were drag queens (guys in make up and masks) on stage, and then the focus was on them for a short time while the DJ controls the action.

I was lucky enough to play at the Palladium in NYC. The place was simply amazing, and the DJ booth was not the focus. The DJ was the god for the evening and places like this were my church. When watching the video you will notice that the DJ booth was very lit up. The DJ was not seen but heard. He didn’t wear anything fancy and he wasn’t trying to be the visual center of attention, nor could he if he tried. Since the booth was hidden or ‘away from drunk requests’ is what I always called it.

DJs stood out because of their specific styles of music. How they played the music is what made them who they were, no gimmicks, now crowd tricks, no masks… no clowning around. Derrick Carter has always been Derrick Carter. DJ Sneak is DJ Sneak… no mask. No funny gimmicks. It won’t make their music any better only distract me from dancing. Before the internet when all I had were mix tapes, I could hear a DJ and know who it was, yet have no idea if the DJ was male or female, or if they were even human. nor did I care, all that mattered was the music.

Ask yourself... are the people watching you 'perform' as a DJ instead of dancing?

We are not rockstars. We don’t learn silly dance moves. We do not wear silly masks or makeup. We are not a live performance. We feed off the crowds. We make them move. Set yourself apart by playing good music. If your a DJ doing all kinds of stupid gimmicks or wearing silly masks and you find that people are watching you instead of dancing, especially when your playing at an EDM (Electronic DANCE Music) event… Then you may be doing it wrong.

I’m not the only one who believes somewhat like this, DJ Sneak called out the Swedish House Mafia for being a bunch of actors. Dennis Ferrer agreed with him. I also agreed with him. Leave a comment below if you have something to say, keep it clean, don’t be childish. Please like and share this if you agree with what I said… thanks!

P.S. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s an opinion. If it quacks like a duck and if it looks like a duck…

Follow me on Facebook for cooky thoughts unlike these.

And for the record, one final time… I am not mad, some people got mad at me.. like I said.. I’m calling it like I see it… they are funny. clown like even. Just dont get mad if you act and look like a clown when my friends and I are laughing at your show instead of dancing to it. You make your bed, you sleep in it.
Romelia Stankard
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by ExTrCt.
Is this a communist website? Or do we have freedom of speech?
While I believe it is a silly policy, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want on a private site- just saying.
Georgina Schatzman
17.05.2012
Say what? You were in the Brew-ha at one point?
Efrain Scharr
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by SherpaPsy
I saw them way back in the early 90's - are they still around? Not sure I'd still like the music though...I might.
They actually opened for me (when i was Tattoo Detectives) back in like 2007 in Milwaukee...
Efrain Scharr
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by sarasin
Guys like Carl will end up fading away...

I guess its up to the DJ's like Carl to come up with something better or different.....i dunno.
He has been DJing since he was like 15, and has been an international electronic dj since the late 80s, I believe its pretty safe to say he isn't going anywhere or fading away... He doesn't need to come up with anything new.
Nilsa Erben
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by rdale
You should youtube for the video of shows. Live they would do things like pull someone out of the crowd and put a metal mask on them and then put a grinder to it, insane costumes, disco ball suit, 16 legged creatures, crowd diving covered in glow sticks, and it only got weirder year after year......
I saw them way back in the early 90's - are they still around? Not sure I'd still like the music though...I might.
Jaleesa Zheng
17.05.2012
If you're a good performer and love what you do, then it doesn't matter what you wear.

You can come on stage wearing a leopard g-string, if you're good. People will stay guaranteed, just do what you love.

Anybody read that paris hilton is going to be a dj now?

she's dating afrojack and she's now going to start dj'ing.. this is weird.
Erich Vallabhaneni
17.05.2012
this kinda cracks me up as well


Prince Harry to become reggae DJ
http://www.nme.com/news/bob-marley/63652
Lilliana Perris
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by Otacon
I totally see where you're coming from, Carl Cox is an amazing DJ. And yeah, im a Clown DJ that wears a mask but this is how I see it: It comes down to the performer and the way they want their audience to experience the show. Carl Cox does his thing because thats how he wants to be known, a badass DJ that just gets up there and does what he does and everyone loves it. But for the "Clown DJs" (this is some, not all) like me not only want the music to be the experience but for the lights and the performers themselves to all be tied together with it. Example, people in my area are getting big into dubstep/brostep just like everywhere else these days, but when it gets to the brostep area of our set and we put the masks on it adds to the mood of the music. And with music piracy getting so big these days as a producer its hard to make a living, so using "gimmicks" and being a "clown" are things people are resorting to so more people come to their shows so they can make a living doing what they love. You can hate on somebody for wearing a mask, but if thats how they want to portray their love for music and how they want to perform for the crowd then you have no right to put it down imo, just do things how you like to do them. It is all for the sake of Entertainment in the end, not how bad you wanna judge other DJs.
Sure dude, nothing wrong with it. I don't mind personally, but just trying to view it from someone like Carl's perspective.

I mean...you are correct. You do your thing and he does his....

Keep up or get left behind I guess.....

Thing is, is it corrupting the punters\crowd\audience?

Is it teaching them that the more gimmicks and tricks....the better the show?

Guys like Carl will end up fading away...while the clown dj is king for a bit. As soon as the hype dies down, they are forgotten. So their shelf life is real short I recon.

Its a tough one...

I can't blame newer DJ's for using this hype. I mean, its 'marketing' yourself in that manner.
You do what you have to, to get gigs etc.

I guess its up to the DJ's like Carl to come up with something better or different.....i dunno.

...tough one...
Nilsa Erben
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Reklusive
jesus christ! now they just gotta get danny dyer to do the warm-up set !
I seriously LOL'd - can you picture them two of them on stage together? On the other hand DJ Bl3nd...is he bland, blind or blond? Mostly I just don't like the music he plays. But he compounds his lack of taste with being an a$$hat on stage and in his bedroom. Some of this is tongue in cheek you figure out which part!
Jaleesa Zheng
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by tekki
Did some touching up. Please watch the language.
Is this a communist website? Or do we have freedom of speech?
Erich Vallabhaneni
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by sarasin
Cuz we can see your mask thats hidden.....hehehehe



Just teasing. Its passion bro. Like Italians...that get real loud? If you a real DJ and have been doing it for YEARS....then seeing some dick with a mask button mashing and being the SHIT and getting hyped massively....its depressing.

You have honed and practiced your skill for 20 odd years...only to have some kid come and take over on a technicality...that equals bullshit at the end of the day.

Take Carl Cox.... He has been round for YEARS....solid sold DJ on all aspects of the game (ok..not turntablism).
Play a vid of him mixing and watch him for a few minutes.

Then play a video of a DJ in a mask that is mixing real well (using Sync Lock and KeyCodes) and its tearing it up. Maybe only been mixing for a year or 2.

Which one do you believe the youngsters or punters gonna wanna see live...in real life?

Its a hard pill to swallow.

The connoisseurs are not the majority.....and it will end with Carl Cox being forgotten....they can appreciate what he is doing etc, but the average person?
I totally see where you're coming from, Carl Cox is an amazing DJ. And yeah, im a Clown DJ that wears a mask but this is how I see it: It comes down to the performer and the way they want their audience to experience the show. Carl Cox does his thing because thats how he wants to be known, a badass DJ that just gets up there and does what he does and everyone loves it. But for the "Clown DJs" (this is some, not all) like me not only want the music to be the experience but for the lights and the performers themselves to all be tied together with it. Example, people in my area are getting big into dubstep/brostep just like everywhere else these days, but when it gets to the brostep area of our set and we put the masks on it adds to the mood of the music. And with music piracy getting so big these days as a producer its hard to make a living, so using "gimmicks" and being a "clown" are things people are resorting to so more people come to their shows so they can make a living doing what they love. You can hate on somebody for wearing a mask, but if thats how they want to portray their love for music and how they want to perform for the crowd then you have no right to put it down imo, just do things how you like to do them. It is all for the sake of Entertainment in the end, not how bad you wanna judge other DJs.
Lilliana Perris
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by Otacon
there are so many negative people here
Cuz we can see your mask thats hidden.....hehehehe



Just teasing. Its passion bro. Like Italians...that get real loud? If you a real DJ and have been doing it for YEARS....then seeing some dick with a mask button mashing and being the SHIT and getting hyped massively....its depressing.

You have honed and practiced your skill for 20 odd years...only to have some kid come and take over on a technicality...that equals bullshit at the end of the day.

Take Carl Cox.... He has been round for YEARS....solid sold DJ on all aspects of the game (ok..not turntablism).
Play a vid of him mixing and watch him for a few minutes.

Then play a video of a DJ in a mask that is mixing real well (using Sync Lock and KeyCodes) and its tearing it up. Maybe only been mixing for a year or 2.

Which one do you believe the youngsters or punters gonna wanna see live...in real life?

Its a hard pill to swallow.

The connoisseurs are not the majority.....and it will end with Carl Cox being forgotten....they can appreciate what he is doing etc, but the average person?
Lilliana Perris
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Yeah, those fake-ass DJs, playing prerecorded tracks THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRODUCE!

Wait....
Yeah, well its a slightly different topic that....
These guys will produce the tracks, but when the get booked to play Live (EG, Ableton + Controller), they just stand their and push play. Not doing a damn thing to the music as it plays.
Some will actually just stand there hands in the air. Some will go as far as faking it.
The started calling that, Live PA (Personal Appearance). I mean DJ your own tracks, or lay em down in Ableton and change it up slightly.....not that hard...

Then you get the douchebags that don't produce, but 'steal' unreleased tunes and rename them, adding their own handle. Trying to pass them off as their own. Not even trying to sell em....just trying to get some cred...I dunno.

Then you get the double douches that pay someone else to produce and put their name on it.....

You get a few catagories of these too.

1) The DJ who can't produce, but wants to tour etc. He needs released tracks to add weight to him DJ name and get booked internationally.

2) The guy wanting to be a celebrity. I will bet money that Paulie D will be releasing some tracks soon and it won't actually be him that wrote it.

3) The musician (used roughly) that does not know how to use Software and Studio Gear. He will sit with another producer and pretty much tell him what he likes and does not.


You get the picture.

Being a Clown DJ and being a fake ass mofo....are 2 different things to me.

If the clown needs his gimmick to pull of his sets....let him do it.
A good entertaining show is always a good thing, but to what end?

This is a hard business to be in really because we as DJ's see it from a specific view point.
The punter sees it totally differently.

The DJ himself wants to be recognized for his talent and effort.
The Punter just wants cool music.

The crowd does not get that clowns kinda drag the DJing name down a bit. The youngsters love the madness and it fuels the whole thing and more DJ's become clowns. Its their lil foot in the door, their break in getting recognized. They say there is no such thing as bad publicity....so make fools of themselves and get spoken about.

The punters don't see this view....they just see mad entertaining whackness.....
They believe they getting their money's worth...

How do the REAL Dj's change that perception?
Darren Teboe
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by ellgieff
Yeah, it was an anti-haircut, that at the time was part of the gimmick used to put them in front of audiences as something other than the fairly ordinary rock'n'roll band they were at the time.

Dude, seriously: I love some of the music they made. I love their music lots, lots more when they got big enough that they could do whatever they wanted - their early stuff is ordinary rock'n'roll.

Which I like, on that basis (I like rock'n'roll, man. I like it when it's real, and raw, and made by kids that don't actually have anything better to do. Exactly like the Beatles.

Commercial success is entirely the issue, here. Commercial success is why people go to SEE a band, or SEE a DJ. It's because the aim for commercial success is a driver of the ENTERTAINMENT industry, and the music is almost incidental.

Because people go to SEE the DJ, the show is about all sorts of things other than the music. And so the people who love music (see also: most of the people in this thread) get uptight, because they believe the thing they love is being usurped by money, and poseurs, and blank-faced corporate c*nts (see also: MTV Get Off The Air - Dead Kennedys)

Dude, it's not being usurped by them. What they do has almost nothing to do with music. So bless SHM/Aoki/Angello/Skrillex/Deadmau5 thrice, hope they get pancreatic cancer, and move on.

You don't actually have to wish cancer on them, I just do that because I'm a c*nt.

You're still missing the point of that blog post. It's not against commercial or any other type of success. It's just breaks it down to the fact that some of these guys act like clowns while a lot of other great DJ's don't need to rely on the horse and pony show to sell tickets. It's about pointing out the fact that certain people go to these shows and are entertained by the "cake smashing" and other bullshit, while other guys do it strictly through playing good music with great technical skill. No where does it say what those guys like SHM do is bad, but just points out that they resort to that stuff instead of only being good DJ's. You might want to refocus on that initial blog post (the one the mods didn't edit).
Erich Vallabhaneni
16.05.2012
there are so many negative people here
Rosenda Gossage
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
Maybe there's a misunderstanding on my part or your part, but the above makes me believe you are missing the point. I don't believe that commercial success is an issue. Also, putting the beatles in that category is way off base. Their "mop tops" weren't a gimmick. That was a haircut. Also, they happened to have put out some of the most timeless music in the past 50 years.
Yeah, it was an anti-haircut, that at the time was part of the gimmick used to put them in front of audiences as something other than the fairly ordinary rock'n'roll band they were at the time.

Dude, seriously: I love some of the music they made. I love their music lots, lots more when they got big enough that they could do whatever they wanted - their early stuff is ordinary rock'n'roll.

Which I like, on that basis (I like rock'n'roll, man. I like it when it's real, and raw, and made by kids that don't actually have anything better to do. Exactly like the Beatles.

Commercial success is entirely the issue, here. Commercial success is why people go to SEE a band, or SEE a DJ. It's because the aim for commercial success is a driver of the ENTERTAINMENT industry, and the music is almost incidental.

Because people go to SEE the DJ, the show is about all sorts of things other than the music. And so the people who love music (see also: most of the people in this thread) get uptight, because they believe the thing they love is being usurped by money, and poseurs, and blank-faced corporate c*nts (see also: MTV Get Off The Air - Dead Kennedys)

Dude, it's not being usurped by them. What they do has almost nothing to do with music. So bless SHM/Aoki/Angello/Skrillex/Deadmau5 thrice, hope they get pancreatic cancer, and move on.

You don't actually have to wish cancer on them, I just do that because I'm a c*nt.
Romelia Stankard
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
So now when he tells people he's a House DJ, people are going to say "Oh! Like Steven Angello and the SHM guys?". And that's when you see him go,

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Georgina Schatzman
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by Era 7
and he is entitled to his opinion even though my stance towards that is that people should listen to what they want and if i don't like it i just don't give a fuck. they do their thing and i do mine. but picking fights with other DJs that don't spin "real house" just seems kinda childish to me.
That's not what he's really getting at though. The thing he's upset about is that they are parading around as "House DJs" when that couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. Because when they call what they do "house music" then that's the sound that people are going to associate with it.

So now when he tells people he's a House DJ, people are going to say "Oh! Like Steven Angello and the SHM guys?". And that's when you see him go,

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Tesha Freudenstein
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
Sneak is an old school guy who stands firm in the school of thought that real house music is just that, and a lot of the other shit is a fad, wack, and will pass. I can't say I agree 100% on what he says (though I'm REAL close to 100%), but I respect him. He has his view, and doesn't kiss the asses of the elite artists of the moment.
and he is entitled to his opinion even though my stance towards that is that people should listen to what they want and if i don't like it i just don't give a fuck. they do their thing and i do mine. but picking fights with other DJs that don't spin "real house" just seems kinda childish to me.
Ethel Feigum
17.05.2012
Sneak's just got a different gimmick than those other guys. He's gaining popularity and cashing in on his street cred by talking shit about those less talented and more famous than him. How many new twitter followers did he just gain from this thread alone?
Nancey Inderlied
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by sarasin
Yeah....this topic has been spoken about locally here in our Psytrance scene.

The Whole...IS IT LIVE debate.

Is he just standing there POSING....or is he playing LIVE?

Similarly, these producers are faking. Its fucking disgusting...

How can you go to sleep at evening , knowing that you are a total cop-out...scammer...cheat...fake....and not have that weigh on your mind?

$$

Yep, does he care? His house is paid for.
Yeah, those fake-ass DJs, playing prerecorded tracks THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRODUCE!

Wait....
Darren Teboe
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by rdale
My thoughts on gimmicks is they better be damn good, or it is just not worth it. Rabbit In The Moon, great gimmick with a full blown stage show, terrific music. Some guy in a mask jumping around, pretty lame.
Couldn't have said it better. RItM goes beyond the gimmick and delivers a production... a show within the show.
Darren Teboe
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by ellgieff
The Beatles (another, let's face it, pretty ordinary rock'n'roll band in the beginning at least) had their Mop Tops...

Commercial success is commercial success.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding on my part or your part, but the above makes me believe you are missing the point. I don't believe that commercial success is an issue. Also, putting the beatles in that category is way off base. Their "mop tops" weren't a gimmick. That was a haircut. Also, they happened to have put out some of the most timeless music in the past 50 years.
Darren Teboe
17.05.2012
Originally Posted by Era 7
i don't really know how to feel about this right now. i mean i respect the man but he seems to try wage war against everybody (afrojack, AN21, steve angello, max vangeli) and everything popular when all he does is spread some bad vibes and getting even uninvolved people pissed (chuckie, junior sanchez). i mean c'mon. don't you have anything better to do? calling steve angello out was one thing but he is just making himself seem ridiculous in my opinion. i mean he either is really dwelling on that shit or he sure is trying to provoke hard.

Sneak is an old school guy who stands firm in the school of thought that real house music is just that, and a lot of the other shit is a fad, wack, and will pass. I can't say I agree 100% on what he says (though I'm REAL close to 100%), but I respect him. He has his view, and doesn't kiss the asses of the elite artists of the moment.
Efrain Scharr
16.05.2012
good to see they took that crap down!
Georgina Schatzman
16.05.2012
Nice, at least people are finally starting to get it
Romelia Stankard
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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Lela Umanskaya
16.05.2012
Originally Posted by Woah
Uhm, I don't understand the problem? There are always clowns in the COMMERCIAL music scene. It's made to attract large masses. If you like that, go watch those DJ's. If you don't, you DON'T... It's really easy. I never once went to a party where it was about the DJ acting goofy and stuff like that. It's always about the music. Pick your places and your scene people. The oldschool vibes are still out there.
Agreed. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I just don't understand the anger...
Devora Chait
16.05.2012
Uhm, I don't understand the problem? There are always clowns in the COMMERCIAL music scene. It's made to attract large masses. If you like that, go watch those DJ's. If you don't, you DON'T... It's really easy. I never once went to a party where it was about the DJ acting goofy and stuff like that. It's always about the music. Pick your places and your scene people. The oldschool vibes are still out there.
Lilliana Perris
16.05.2012
Yeah....this topic has been spoken about locally here in our Psytrance scene.

The Whole...IS IT LIVE debate.

Is he just standing there POSING....or is he playing LIVE?

Similarly, these producers are faking. Its fucking disgusting...

How can you go to sleep at evening , knowing that you are a total cop-out...scammer...cheat...fake....and not have that weigh on your mind?

$$

Yep, does he care? His house is paid for.
Alyse Chiong
16.05.2012
I would be rather upset if I had to be all cake sticky for the rest of a music festival or cranberry juice sticky, At nocturnal and I am sure he has at other music festivals he got in his little raft and rode on top of the crowd just pointlessly pouring cranberry juice on people. I just do not understand it.
Georgina Schatzman
15.05.2012
"Sorry guys, I won't be performing my actual tracks today. Instead I'm going to throw cake at you. Enjoy!"
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Sure there is, more people are doing it now more than ever. Some are using Ableton and playing their songs, and deconstructing them and twisting them up that way, some are actually playing with a midi keyboard or synth to compliment it, and some go balls out and actually have all the drum machines, synths and FX units up on stage with them.

If all Steve Aoki is doing, and with how much he's making, that's even less of a reason why he should be going down the DJ route and try focusing more on doing a live PA set up. So now he really is engaged with the music and has a more direct connection with the crowd instead of just throwing cake at them between mixes.
Bro, he is.too busy throwing cake at little boys in the audience to be messing with midi controllers and live.PA nonsense..
Efrain Scharr
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
Aoki is a producer. He makes music, people like his music, and he deserves to play it one way or another because it's his and people want to hear it. People like him, because they like his music.

If he didn't make any of that music, and just Dj's it and hops around then there would be a problem, but it seems that DJing Electronic music is really the easiest, most idealistic (no, don't say "why don't they just play it from behind the stage") way to play electronic music.

If there were some miraculous way to perform every piece of an EDM track after creating it yourself, i'm sure Aoki would do that. But there really isn't any way to REALLY perform electronic music live entirely (yet).

In the end, I just believe comparing Aoki to a real DJ is kinda dumb, just cause he doesn't really claim to be a DJ, he makes music, people want to hear him "play" it for them (and not just someone with the gear and license) live. If you want to be a DJ and not produce your own music, so be it, get good at DJing, figure it out. Want to produce? People like your music? do whatever the hell you want.
This is a different topic, but I got some news for ya buddy... a lot of these so called "producers" aren't producing anything except a poop in the toilet everyday. These rich kids, grown men and others pay real producers like myself to make their music for them and they get to slap their name on it... its well known amongst the small community of edm who the real producers are and who all these big name fraud guys are... You would be so surprised.
Georgina Schatzman
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
But there really isn't any way to REALLY perform electronic music live entirely (yet).
Sure there is, more people are doing it now more than ever. Some are using Ableton and playing their songs, and deconstructing them and twisting them up that way, some are actually playing with a midi keyboard or synth to compliment it, and some go balls out and actually have all the drum machines, synths and FX units up on stage with them.

If all Steve Aoki is doing, and with how much he's making, that's even less of a reason why he should be going down the DJ route and try focusing more on doing a live PA set up. So now he really is engaged with the music and has a more direct connection with the crowd instead of just throwing cake at them between mixes.
Madelene Witek
15.05.2012
Aoki is a producer. He makes music, people like his music, and he deserves to play it one way or another because it's his and people want to hear it. People like him, because they like his music.

If he didn't make any of that music, and just Dj's it and hops around then there would be a problem, but it seems that DJing Electronic music is really the easiest, most idealistic (no, don't say "why don't they just play it from behind the stage") way to play electronic music.

If there were some miraculous way to perform every piece of an EDM track after creating it yourself, i'm sure Aoki would do that. But there really isn't any way to REALLY perform electronic music live entirely (yet).

In the end, I just believe comparing Aoki to a real DJ is kinda dumb, just cause he doesn't really claim to be a DJ, he makes music, people want to hear him "play" it for them (and not just someone with the gear and license) live. If you want to be a DJ and not produce your own music, so be it, get good at DJing, figure it out. Want to produce? People like your music? do whatever the hell you want.
Ethel Feigum
15.05.2012
The entertainment industry has always been full of clowns! Who cares? Some people are talented artists/actors/ musicians, etc.. and some people use gimmicks to gain fame. They are still entertainers who have the balls to put themselves out there in front of everyone, and deserve respect for at least doing that. You don't see Morgan Freeman hating on Tyler Perry for being a no-talent hack, and Vanilla Ice didn't ruin the the entire genre of hip hop.

If you don't like someone's music, or believe their stage show is stupid, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But there's no one holding a gun to the heads of the millions of kids who go apeshit at festivals and have the time of their lives watching these guys. Why do you care if they like mass-marketed, media driven acts? Chances are they wouldn't be into your exclusive, underground micro-genre anyway, so it's literally no loss to you. In fact, these clowns probably make your tracks/act look better by comparison, so maybe you should thank them!
Freida Leash
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by ellgieff
Did they have a gimmick? I had no idea - I thought they just made absolutely stunning music.
You should youtube for the video of shows. Live they would do things like pull someone out of the crowd and put a metal mask on them and then put a grinder to it, insane costumes, disco ball suit, 16 legged creatures, crowd diving covered in glow sticks, and it only got weirder year after year. At the same time last time I caught them live, David Christopher played Happy Birthday to you as a sad jazz song for 10 minutes and it was amazing. Is it a gimmick, hell yeah, but way over the top, I mean more than any rock band, and extremely entertaining. Also the music was pretty amazing, I'm convinced the first time I saw them, Monk was playing records, David was playing a theremin, and Bunny was doing a stage show. A huge gimmick that bowled me over every time I saw them "play".
Johnetta Olewine
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by mfuchs19
. At least have the decency to appreciate that these guys are managing to do what we have always wanted to: Make a living off of what we love.
I see it differently. I see these guys sullying and destroying the music and scene that I love. That's where the hate stems from.
Jerlene Jernegan
15.05.2012
I guess I'll be the first to admit that I'm incredibly jealous of Aoki, SHM, Bl3nd, and anyone else of the likes. I'd love to live their life. Do I agree with everything they do and do I like all of their music? No. But would I give anything to be where they are, living the high life, doing what they love for a living? Absolutely.

Reading some of these posts here makes me realize why some people believe we're such assholes. Look at the language you're using to belittle somebody who is living their life the way they want. At least have the decency to appreciate that these guys are managing to do what we have always wanted to: Make a living off of what we love.

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