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Official info on the Kontrol Z2!
Posted on: 29.09.2012 by Dung Domingus
***MOD EDIT Go to page 6 for the official announcement***

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Idk if this is real or not. It's in spanish (I used google translate to read the article), but supposedly this article bears all of the info you could ever want about the z2 and has an unreleased picture of it. I apologize if this has been posted already. I did some searching and didn't see it anywhere. http://grupoadagio.es/informaticamus...e-instruments/
kontrol z2.jpg


Article as translated by google translate. Maybe our bilingual djtt members can give us a better breakdown of the features?

"I recently had the opportunity to be in Berlin at the official presentation of the Z2 KONTROL European distributors. From the first moment is a product that has raised great expectations while many doubts. Leo in certain community s many dubious statements about what is going to be exactly the Z2 KONTROL Native Instruments ... Let's try to clear up some ideas.

One of the "slogans" that Native Insturments used in new designs is INTEGRATION. That means that each and every one of them his power will always come from an integration of the advantages of a powerful and efficient software and ergonomic hardware. Thus we have the best of both worlds combined, or rather multiplied.

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The KONTROL Z2 is a controller for DJ, sound card, integrated 4-channel capability to handle external signals from dishes or CDJ's in a session. It even works in "stand alone", ie not connected to the computer, but who wants to buy the Z2 with this functionality as stomping staple is suitable territory.

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The main idea that is developed with the design and release of TRAKTOR KONTROL Z2, is that there is a huge community of DJ's worldwide using TRAKTOR and go on tour with your computer as a key. Upon arrival at the club the DJ's are a multitude of solutions mixture that does not integrate with TRAKTOR at all, you must face connections and disconnections of cables and make room in the cabin for dedicated controllers as X1 and F1 are those who really are solve your session with TRAKTOR. The mixer as the centerpiece of the cabin is relegated then to control the volume, EQ and little else, and if it is an old and battered interpose noises mass or some faders and EQ's rascantes between your brand new computer and gear is sound.

With Z2 as a controller / mixer core of a club can have the conventional material (plates and / or CDJ's) playing, but start dreaming of your TRAKTOR just connect a USB cable. In addition two integrated USB hubs allow you to connect F1 or X1 in any combination at the same mixer and sound ... The changes between DJ's are now possible in less than two seconds.

Z2 can control 4 channel sound, to select between channels A, B, C and D easily. Its 4 side buttons are prepared to control 4 CUES or the shot of the first 4 samples of REMIX decks. The TRAKTOR effects control is also integrated although in a less extensive than using an F1. Switching to receive the analog signal from an external source is instantaneous and is performed with a simple pressing of a button, in this case only functions EQ, filter and volume can be performed on the signal.

The mixture remains engine when no ringing TRAKTOR an external source, so that the absolute cleanliness of the signal path is ensured.

The analog electronics around digital motor has been designed and chosen to provide audio quality up to the level that will require this new contender to win the heart of the cabins worldwide. In that sense I've tested both as EQ and filters are excellent. It also includes a license for TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 with their corresponding vinyl and CD's in the pack.

With this new family member TRAKTOR, the digital DJ system more advanced than we could have in the universe or not an S4, is a two KONTROL Z2 + F1 and an F1 or X1 or two dishes plus two CDJ's. And a computer, of course!

Other details like effects PRE / POST fader selectable, adjustable crossfader curve from the front panel, as well as X-fader reverse, two headphone outputs
Lina Rawie
08.10.2012
Originally Posted by LoopCat
If you are planning to play out on a club system and want to use DVS you will still need an audio interface in most cases
How come?
Nancey Inderlied
08.10.2012
Originally Posted by Rukks
Serato TTM56S for about$700 bucks on ebay all day, you buy two dicers and you get about the same as the z2.

I'm a traktor user but if I started my collection today and wanted to go DVS I would go with serato....not like most ppl spinnin vinyl are going to NEED all teh functions of traktor.
And the $500 SL2 you need because the 56 doesnt have an SSL card.
Lang Abriel
08.10.2012
Serato TTM56S for about$700 bucks on ebay all day, you buy two dicers and you get about the same as the z2.

I'm a traktor user but if I started my collection today and wanted to go DVS I would go with serato....not like most ppl spinnin vinyl are going to NEED all teh functions of traktor.
Nancey Inderlied
08.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
I'm basing this off similar products for Serato such as the Rane TTM 57SL or the Rane Sixty One. In it's day the TTM57 brand new was around the $1500 mark. Obviously you could get into any DVS with either a Serato or Traktor soundcard for cheaper and any cheap mixer but i'm comparing 2 DVS ready mixers.
I guess thats true, but it's a bit hard to compare them beyond "DVS ready." I mean, the Rane mixers both have 20 channel 32float/48khz sound cards, 3 full length, fully adjustable, magnetic, and invincible faders, and a Rane DSP/DACs. The Z2 may cost a few hundred less, but it makes some major concessions throughout the hardware, making it almost seem like an underpowered, but still "budget," offering against the Rane hardware.
Johnsie Kingrea
08.10.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
How on earth do you need to spend $1500 to get into a Serato setup? I count $1200 with some cheap decks and a pretty solid mixer. A Sixty-One isnt the only way to get into a DVS, even though a Sixty-One actually addresses the needs of a scratch DJ.
I'm basing this off similar products for Serato such as the Rane TTM 57SL or the Rane Sixty One. In it's day the TTM57 brand new was around the $1500 mark. Obviously you could get into any DVS with either a Serato or Traktor soundcard for cheaper and any cheap mixer but i'm comparing 2 DVS ready mixers.
Johnetta Olewine
07.10.2012
Looks like craze has been recently filming something for NI. Which will be good because it'd nice to see a z2 demo showing its actual capacity.
Nancey Inderlied
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
Does a bear shit in the woods?? Hell yeah this is a good deal to get into DVS. Especially compared to Seratos offerings, minimum $1500
How on earth do you need to spend $1500 to get into a Serato setup? I count $1200 with some cheap decks and a pretty solid mixer. A Sixty-One isnt the only way to get into a DVS, even though a Sixty-One actually addresses the needs of a scratch DJ.
Ming Devis
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
Since it comes with Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and the control vinyl, would you guys consider this to be a good way to get into DVS if one does not own his own DJ mixer or DVS system?
I believe so. You get a decent mixer, audio interface and a Kontrol X1 in one tidy unit, sounds like a tidy set-up with minimal cables. If you are planning to play out on a club system and want to use DVS you will still need an audio interface in most cases
Johnsie Kingrea
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by botstein
Since it comes with Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and the control vinyl, would you guys consider this to be a good way to get into DVS if one does not own his own DJ mixer or DVS system?
Does a bear shit in the woods?? Hell yeah this is a good deal to get into DVS. Especially compared to Seratos offerings, minimum $1500
Ervin Calvery
07.10.2012
Since it comes with Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and the control vinyl, would you guys consider this to be a good way to get into DVS if one does not own his own DJ mixer or DVS system?
Lang Abriel
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by smittten
Now's the time to f*** the warranty on your s4 and get that innofader in there
Was gonna send mine in last month cuz the knobs are about to bust off but now I will send it in for sure....I got warranty until February. The guys in North America make it tough to get a replacement though, if they don't give me one then I'll be going to serato.
Len Lukawski
07.10.2012
Thanks to those who submitted fader-related questions last evening . The article has been drafted and should be out in the not too distant future. If you have further questions once the article is published, please post them in the Disqus comments and we'll get them answered.

Cheers,

SmiTTTen
Lina Rawie
07.10.2012
Is there any kind of curve control for the line faders?

How will the mini Innofaders be pre-configured?
Loyce Mekonen
07.10.2012
I know i'm kinda late on the questions, but I'd like to know if they're adding some kind of white noise effect to 2.6.
Tatum Ansaldo
07.10.2012
I don't know much about the deck switching, I believe the functionality is still being finalised. Pre/post fader can be selected per FX unit. You can't make your own macro FX yet, but it's something they're looking into.
Carola Argila
07.10.2012
Will you be able to map your own macro effects or are you stuck with the preset Traktor ones?
Johnsie Kingrea
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
See if you can get any info about Maschine connectivity with the Z2 or 2.6 either through deck C or D or routed internally in Traktor. See if you can pick up any hint of better Maschine connectivity with 2.6.

Nothing in 2.6. Apparently the issues lie in maschine not traktor, and maschine 2.0 may bring something. Nothing confirmed.

Try to clear up all the confusion with timecode, regular vinyl and when you using hardware EQ's or software EQ's.

How close are the hardware EQ's to the software EQ's? Are they in fact emulators of the software EQ's? Will we be able to select the different EQ's offered in software and use them with the hardware EQ's?

When using traktor with USB, the decks ONLY work in controller mode. The on board DSP doesn't do anything. If you use external inputs, the DSP is an exact copy of the traktor EQ. However, they are adding new EQ modes, including a full kill DJM-900 iso mode emulation:

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Can we control C/D EQ's with the mixer in anyway via hardware?

Yes. Shift + each deck's sync button selects deck C or D respectively.

Does the mic run on a dedicated channel in both external and internal mode? I want to know if I have to switch one channel to thru when in internal mode.

Dedicated channel, no need to use a deck. Mic EQs on the mixer as well.

Confirm that the macro effects will be available to any non NI midi controller.

Yes.

The middle faceplate isn't removable, and no one knows what will be available to replace the sides.
Hey fullenglishpint, you said we can control decks c/d eqs with a shift function, does allow faders as well. Also how will that work when switching back to deck a/b eqs? Will they jump in their position?
Dung Domingus
07.10.2012
Thanks for all the info fullenglishpint. Thanks for emarx for the info too.
Will post fader effects only be available in internal mixing mode? Will they be usable on other mixers?
Bertie Metro
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by emarx
Our official position is that we always encourage manufacturers to maximize the compatibility of their mixer with other faders including Innofader Pros and PNPs. Furthermore we've definitely made the mini Innofader electrically upward compatible, meaning that if a mixer works with the mini Innofader, it will also work with either the Innofader Pro or Innofader PNP as long as they actually fit. However it really is up to the manufacturer if they want to follow our guidelines about fader slot spacing to ensure that the long bodied Innofader will fit. Frankly I didn't have a lot of time to play with the Z2 when NI showed it to me so I'm not 100% sure of anything unless someone out there lucky enough to have one of the first samples can confirm. But I seem to remember the spacing seemed a bit tight and wasn't enough for long bodied Innofaders.

Elliot
Thanks for your post Elliot, it is very appreciated !

Maybe if you can answer another question

Since the mini innofader will be available in two mass market products soon, will it be possible to buy the spare from audio innovate, or will we need to go through the mixer's manufacturer to get a spare/replacement fader/crossfader (not that i believe it will break or anything, more in the idea of diy controller hacking) ?
Kellie Myrum
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
There's no major mapping update, 2.6 is all about the new Z2 features.
Thanks for reply. I guess I'll have to wait hopefully till v3 to see that shit improved.
Tatum Ansaldo
07.10.2012
There's no major mapping update, 2.6 is all about the new Z2 features.
Leota Dolney
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
How close are the hardware EQ's to the software EQ's? Are they in fact emulators of the software EQ's? Will we be able to select the different EQ's offered in software and use them with the hardware EQ's?

When using traktor with USB, the decks ONLY work in controller mode. The on board DSP doesn't do anything. If you use external inputs, the DSP is an exact copy of the traktor EQ. However, they are adding new EQ modes, including a full kill DJM-900 iso mode emulation:

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1349622506.810655.jpg
Full kill EQs will be nice...if the sound is not too bad, then maybe internal mixing won't continue to get such a bad rap...

Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
Confirm that the macro effects will be available to any non NI midi controller.

Yes.
Good to know...I can now plan on mapping a couple of knobs to control Macro FX. I'm glad I didn't buy an RMX-1000...I believe the Macro FX and the ability to map it will essentially duplicate the functionality of the RMX-1000 that I was interested in.
Kellie Myrum
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
See if you can get any info about Maschine connectivity with the Z2 or 2.6 either through deck C or D or routed internally in Traktor. See if you can pick up any hint of better Maschine connectivity with 2.6.

Nothing in 2.6. Apparently the issues lie in maschine not traktor, and maschine 2.0 may bring something. Nothing confirmed.

Try to clear up all the confusion with timecode, regular vinyl and when you using hardware EQ's or software EQ's.

How close are the hardware EQ's to the software EQ's? Are they in fact emulators of the software EQ's? Will we be able to select the different EQ's offered in software and use them with the hardware EQ's?

When using traktor with USB, the decks ONLY work in controller mode. The on board DSP doesn't do anything. If you use external inputs, the DSP is an exact copy of the traktor EQ. However, they are adding new EQ modes, including a full kill DJM-900 iso mode emulation:

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1349622506.810655.jpg

Can we control C/D EQ's with the mixer in anyway via hardware?

Yes. Shift + each deck's sync button selects deck C or D respectively.

Does the mic run on a dedicated channel in both external and internal mode? I want to know if I have to switch one channel to thru when in internal mode.

Dedicated channel, no need to use a deck. Mic EQs on the mixer as well.

Confirm that the macro effects will be available to any non NI midi controller.

Yes.

The middle faceplate isn't removable, and no one knows what will be available to replace the sides.
Hey mate, if you can take a minute and look in to answer to my question about modifiers from above I'll be very grateful. Current state is eight.
Nathanial Belenkaya
07.10.2012
Originally Posted by oneapemob
I'm quoting this from a french turntablists/beatproducers community , beat4battle, from their thread on the Z2, and this quote comes from the official innofader dealer in france :

Bonjour
Tatum Ansaldo
07.10.2012
See if you can get any info about Maschine connectivity with the Z2 or 2.6 either through deck C or D or routed internally in Traktor. See if you can pick up any hint of better Maschine connectivity with 2.6.

Nothing in 2.6. Apparently the issues lie in maschine not traktor, and maschine 2.0 may bring something. Nothing confirmed.

Try to clear up all the confusion with timecode, regular vinyl and when you using hardware EQ's or software EQ's.

How close are the hardware EQ's to the software EQ's? Are they in fact emulators of the software EQ's? Will we be able to select the different EQ's offered in software and use them with the hardware EQ's?

When using traktor with USB, the decks ONLY work in controller mode. The on board DSP doesn't do anything. If you use external inputs, the DSP is an exact copy of the traktor EQ. However, they are adding new EQ modes, including a full kill DJM-900 iso mode emulation:

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1349622506.810655.jpg

Can we control C/D EQ's with the mixer in anyway via hardware?

Yes. Shift + each deck's sync button selects deck C or D respectively.

Does the mic run on a dedicated channel in both external and internal mode? I want to know if I have to switch one channel to thru when in internal mode.

Dedicated channel, no need to use a deck. Mic EQs on the mixer as well.

Confirm that the macro effects will be available to any non NI midi controller.

Yes.

The middle faceplate isn't removable, and no one knows what will be available to replace the sides.
Loyce Mekonen
07.10.2012
It would be awesome if they could release those magnetic panels available for the Z2 but for the S2 and S4. No more glossy panel FTW.
Leeanna Ayla
07.10.2012
When you're using the mixer externally, can you midi map any part of the mixer in anyway without losing the loop display?

Is the glossy center panel removable?
Kellie Myrum
07.10.2012
See if 2.6 comes with more modifiers and modifier condition slots. Only thing that bugs me
Leeanna Ayla
07.10.2012
See if you can get any info about Maschine connectivity with the Z2 or 2.6 either through deck C or D or routed internally in Traktor. See if you can pick up any hint of better Maschine connectivity with 2.6.

Try to clear up all the confusion with timecode, regular vinyl and when you using hardware EQ's or software EQ's.

How close are the hardware EQ's to the software EQ's? Are they in fact emulators of the software EQ's? Will we be able to select the different EQ's offered in software and use them with the hardware EQ's?

Can we control C/D EQ's with the mixer in anyway via hardware?

Does the mic run on a dedicated channel in both external and internal mode? I want to know if I have to switch one channel to thru when in internal mode.

Confirm that the macro effects will be available to any non NI midi controller.

That's all I can believe of now, but I just woke up and have only had one cup of coffee.
Tatum Ansaldo
07.10.2012
If there's anything at all people want to know about the Z2 let me know, they have one on display here at BPM and I'll ask anything you like.
Bertie Metro
07.10.2012
Thanks Smittten !
Len Lukawski
06.10.2012
Just spoke with Elliot at Audio Innovate. I will be putting something together for an article on the blog very shortly. If you have any specific questions, you have about an hour from the time this is posted to get them to me via PM.
Lina Rawie
06.10.2012
I kinda wish there were 2 versions of this. I believe it looks to be a potentially great deal for the price, but for my particular needs, I would prefer 3 full Innofaders with curve/reverse on each. This mixer is
Kellie Myrum
06.10.2012
Originally Posted by oneapemob
I'm quoting this from a french turntablists/beatproducers community , beat4battle, from their thread on the Z2, and this quote comes from the official innofader dealer in france :

Bonjour
Bertie Metro
06.10.2012
I'm quoting this from a french turntablists/beatproducers community , beat4battle, from their thread on the Z2, and this quote comes from the official innofader dealer in france :

Bonjour
Leeanna Ayla
06.10.2012
This is not officially confirmed, but the way I understand is that the EQ's are emulating the software EQ' but the software EQ's have been refined slightly. Slightly tells me probably not drastically enough to offer full kills, but who knows.
Nancey Inderlied
06.10.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
Does anyone really know that the z2 is emulating traktor software EQs? I haven't read anything that says this anywhere.
Why would they put that in a press release? It's a concession, not a feature. We know this because it wouldn't make any sense for it not to be. Additionally, info from DjWorx confirms that at least the filters are emulations.
Johnetta Olewine
06.10.2012
Does anyone really know that the z2 is emulating traktor software EQs? I haven't read anything that says this anywhere.
Rochel Gleese
06.10.2012
Originally Posted by deckard26354
That's the bite isnt it. Not used the software EQ's, I've always had Traktor hooked up to an external mixer throughout the years of using it. Ive heard the EQ's are not good? So maybe a 4 channel wouldn't even matter. Unless theres been some NI jiggery pokery in the software to improve them?
Same here, never really used the software EQs.

Gotta say I'm not really that pleased, but I'll reserve judgement until they're released.

A&H DB4 I'm guessing will beat this sound wise
Pilar Maure
05.10.2012
Originally Posted by photojojo
It's not going to matter much on which EQ's your using since the hardware EQ's are emulating the software EQ's.
That's the bite isnt it. Not used the software EQ's, I've always had Traktor hooked up to an external mixer throughout the years of using it. Ive heard the EQ's are not good? So maybe a 4 channel wouldn't even matter. Unless theres been some NI jiggery pokery in the software to improve them?

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