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Official info on the Kontrol Z2!
Posted on: 29.09.2012 by Dung Domingus
***MOD EDIT Go to page 6 for the official announcement***

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Idk if this is real or not. It's in spanish (I used google translate to read the article), but supposedly this article bears all of the info you could ever want about the z2 and has an unreleased picture of it. I apologize if this has been posted already. I did some searching and didn't see it anywhere. http://grupoadagio.es/informaticamus...e-instruments/
kontrol z2.jpg


Article as translated by google translate. Maybe our bilingual djtt members can give us a better breakdown of the features?

"I recently had the opportunity to be in Berlin at the official presentation of the Z2 KONTROL European distributors. From the first moment is a product that has raised great expectations while many doubts. Leo in certain community s many dubious statements about what is going to be exactly the Z2 KONTROL Native Instruments ... Let's try to clear up some ideas.

One of the "slogans" that Native Insturments used in new designs is INTEGRATION. That means that each and every one of them his power will always come from an integration of the advantages of a powerful and efficient software and ergonomic hardware. Thus we have the best of both worlds combined, or rather multiplied.

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The KONTROL Z2 is a controller for DJ, sound card, integrated 4-channel capability to handle external signals from dishes or CDJ's in a session. It even works in "stand alone", ie not connected to the computer, but who wants to buy the Z2 with this functionality as stomping staple is suitable territory.

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The main idea that is developed with the design and release of TRAKTOR KONTROL Z2, is that there is a huge community of DJ's worldwide using TRAKTOR and go on tour with your computer as a key. Upon arrival at the club the DJ's are a multitude of solutions mixture that does not integrate with TRAKTOR at all, you must face connections and disconnections of cables and make room in the cabin for dedicated controllers as X1 and F1 are those who really are solve your session with TRAKTOR. The mixer as the centerpiece of the cabin is relegated then to control the volume, EQ and little else, and if it is an old and battered interpose noises mass or some faders and EQ's rascantes between your brand new computer and gear is sound.

With Z2 as a controller / mixer core of a club can have the conventional material (plates and / or CDJ's) playing, but start dreaming of your TRAKTOR just connect a USB cable. In addition two integrated USB hubs allow you to connect F1 or X1 in any combination at the same mixer and sound ... The changes between DJ's are now possible in less than two seconds.

Z2 can control 4 channel sound, to select between channels A, B, C and D easily. Its 4 side buttons are prepared to control 4 CUES or the shot of the first 4 samples of REMIX decks. The TRAKTOR effects control is also integrated although in a less extensive than using an F1. Switching to receive the analog signal from an external source is instantaneous and is performed with a simple pressing of a button, in this case only functions EQ, filter and volume can be performed on the signal.

The mixture remains engine when no ringing TRAKTOR an external source, so that the absolute cleanliness of the signal path is ensured.

The analog electronics around digital motor has been designed and chosen to provide audio quality up to the level that will require this new contender to win the heart of the cabins worldwide. In that sense I've tested both as EQ and filters are excellent. It also includes a license for TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 with their corresponding vinyl and CD's in the pack.

With this new family member TRAKTOR, the digital DJ system more advanced than we could have in the universe or not an S4, is a two KONTROL Z2 + F1 and an F1 or X1 or two dishes plus two CDJ's. And a computer, of course!

Other details like effects PRE / POST fader selectable, adjustable crossfader curve from the front panel, as well as X-fader reverse, two headphone outputs
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Lina Rawie
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
What makes you guys believe the minnofaders won't be "scratch worthy"? That's the whole point of them, isn't it? Although apparently the channel faders are adjusted too tightly but I'm sure that can be easily fixed.
I've heard from someone that's used one that the crossfader is fine, but using the stiffer version of the Mini Innofaders for the line faders (which is not user-adjustable) combined with having no curve control for the lines is off-putting for scratch/battle and many hip-hop DJs.
Lang Abriel
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
Haha man ain't that the truth, I would have been perfectly fine with them upping the price a little and giving us 3 scratch worthy faders and metal pots unlike the plastic that's in there, and longer LED levels
Amen to that, and it would be a really easy design change but now that they released this they wouldn't get much of a market for the pro version....so it won't happen.
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Lina Rawie
16.10.2012
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Rey Holubar
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by photojojo
I wish, but it looks like he's plugged the mic into something else. The Mic input is on the very right of the mixer looking at it from the top and it doesn't look like there's anything plugged in there on the video.
Yeah, I see what you mean now. Too bad. That would have been a damn cool feature. But I guess the mic input is part of the sound card anyway. I mean, the sound input from the mic doesn't get processed through Traktor in any way, does it?

scamo
Leeanna Ayla
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
How does he get the ducking done with his mic input? Is there some sort of gear being used we don't see? Or is that a new Traktor feature?

scamo
I wish, but it looks like he's plugged the mic into something else. The Mic input is on the very right of the mixer looking at it from the top and it doesn't look like there's anything plugged in there on the video.
Rey Holubar
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by oneapemob
I'm pretty sure that yes it will work with the crossfader as well as with the line faders, you can see it on dj craze's latest ustream ( http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/26053135 ).
Watching that video makes me want to go to TT/ DVS. Damn.....

Some really noob questions.......

What TTs does he have there? Nice and golden, but what is the make/ model?
How does he get the ducking done with his mic input? Is there some sort of gear being used we don't see? Or is that a new Traktor feature?

scamo
Leota Dolney
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
my mixer(DN-X1700) can't do that...but it does have MIDI mode so I can use it's faders & knobs to control Traktor and thus get access to the post-fader FX...although I don't like going from mixer to midi mode...i guess that is what the Z2 is doing anyway...so maybe it's not so bad.
Nancey Inderlied
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
Most S/R loops I'm familiar with are routed pre-fader, unless they have a separate master send point on the S/R bus. The only exception I can believe of are Rane mixers and 92s, with the 92 having a separate aux/insert system.
Marshall Aby
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
So another thing can anyone confirm if the post fader fx will work in external mixing mode?
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
Lina Rawie
17.10.2012
In DJ TechTools' review of the Mini Innofader, they say: -

This stripped down Innofader will ship with preset, non-user configurable options:

Tension: Stiff (mixing) or Light (scratching)
And: -

There is no mechanism to change the cut-in, curve or tension on the unit.
The Z2 has a knob for adjusting the curve on the crossfader, but unless you can somehow adjust the line fader curves in Traktor, then you're stuck there. If you use vinyl, then you're stuck regardless.
Danae Dumler
17.10.2012
If you can't adjust the curve or tension on the line faders that would be a problem. My understanding of the minnofader was that there is the ability to adjust but it's just not as extensive as the regular innofader, which you can really fine-tune. But as long as you can switch between a sharp cut and a slope, they should be fine, and the tension is obviously adjustable if you have a crossfader with one setting and line faders with another. But you may need to open up the Z2 to actually get to where the adjustment controls are.
Lina Rawie
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
What makes you guys believe the minnofaders won't be "scratch worthy"? That's the whole point of them, isn't it? Although apparently the channel faders are adjusted too tightly but I'm sure that can be easily fixed.
I've heard from someone that's used one that the crossfader is fine, but using the stiffer version of the Mini Innofaders for the line faders (which is not user-adjustable) combined with having no curve control for the lines is off-putting for scratch/battle and many hip-hop DJs.
Johnsie Kingrea
17.10.2012
That's basically what I mean, the line faders are stiffer then the crossfader, according to the recent article though it sounds like that won't be tweakable, which I find hard to believe.
Danae Dumler
16.10.2012
What makes you guys believe the minnofaders won't be "scratch worthy"? That's the whole point of them, isn't it? Although apparently the channel faders are adjusted too tightly but I'm sure that can be easily fixed.
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Not gonna lie I still plan on picking up a Z2 but i'm hoping they won't cut the same corners with the Z4: no more shiny face plates, 5 awesome faders, send/return loop, metal pots, and long level LEDs. Basically I want this to be the DJM 900 minus the 900's FX and adding tight control for all the functions of Traktor.
Lang Abriel
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
Haha man ain't that the truth, I would have been perfectly fine with them upping the price a little and giving us 3 scratch worthy faders and metal pots unlike the plastic that's in there, and longer LED levels
Amen to that, and it would be a really easy design change but now that they released this they wouldn't get much of a market for the pro version....so it won't happen.
Johnsie Kingrea
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Lina Rawie
16.10.2012
I would love to see a "Pro" version of this mixer with the following: -

1. 3 full Innofaders instead of the mini ones.
2. Curve/reverse on all 3 channels.
3. Metal pots.

The only other mixer I'm interested in right now is the Rane 62. It's
Rey Holubar
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by photojojo
I wish, but it looks like he's plugged the mic into something else. The Mic input is on the very right of the mixer looking at it from the top and it doesn't look like there's anything plugged in there on the video.
Yeah, I see what you mean now. Too bad. That would have been a damn cool feature. But I guess the mic input is part of the sound card anyway. I mean, the sound input from the mic doesn't get processed through Traktor in any way, does it?

scamo
Leeanna Ayla
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
How does he get the ducking done with his mic input? Is there some sort of gear being used we don't see? Or is that a new Traktor feature?

scamo
I wish, but it looks like he's plugged the mic into something else. The Mic input is on the very right of the mixer looking at it from the top and it doesn't look like there's anything plugged in there on the video.
Verona Spradlin
16.10.2012
Those are golden Technics 1200s. You can only get them from winning a DMC championship (Craze won 3). You can easily find some used 1200MK2s if you look around. Mixing on turntables and a DVS is the way to go.
Rey Holubar
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by oneapemob
I'm pretty sure that yes it will work with the crossfader as well as with the line faders, you can see it on dj craze's latest ustream ( http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/26053135 ).
Watching that video makes me want to go to TT/ DVS. Damn.....

Some really noob questions.......

What TTs does he have there? Nice and golden, but what is the make/ model?
How does he get the ducking done with his mic input? Is there some sort of gear being used we don't see? Or is that a new Traktor feature?

scamo
Leota Dolney
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
my mixer(DN-X1700) can't do that...but it does have MIDI mode so I can use it's faders & knobs to control Traktor and thus get access to the post-fader FX...although I don't like going from mixer to midi mode...i guess that is what the Z2 is doing anyway...so maybe it's not so bad.
Lang Abriel
15.10.2012
Know what kind of ticks me off about this mixer....NI keeps stating how durable it is and how they have replaced the faders. Ok, the faders were necessary for this to be any type of scratch mixer but the knobs remain untouched.

I can believe of about 10 threads on DJTT where ppl bitch about the knobs breaking/bending and no one has ever complained about the faders breaking.

I finally saw the pics today from DJTT's blog post and they look identical to the S4. I need to be reassured that these things will last if I'm going to buy another NI product. I would imagine that NI is not paying very much attention to their reasons for replacement on the s4/s2...warranty replacements will absolutely kill their margins on this product.
Nancey Inderlied
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
Most S/R loops I'm familiar with are routed pre-fader, unless they have a separate master send point on the S/R bus. The only exception I can believe of are Rane mixers and 92s, with the 92 having a separate aux/insert system.
Johnsie Kingrea
15.10.2012
Well that makes the DJM T1 a lot less valuable compared to the Z2, I was planning in keeping my T1 but with no I gotta have the Z2
Marshall Aby
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
So another thing can anyone confirm if the post fader fx will work in external mixing mode?
No. Traktor audio enters your mixer pre-fader. Traktor can't magic audio past your mixer's fader when you have it down, unless of course your mixer has a send/return loop that can do this, and a sound card with enough inputs and outputs to make it happen.
Bertie Metro
15.10.2012
I'm pretty sure that yes it will work with the crossfader as well as with the line faders, you can see it on dj craze's latest ustream ( http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/26053135 ).
Johnsie Kingrea
14.10.2012
Anyone know if post fader FX will work with the crossfader? For example on the DJM 900 you can assign the FX to either crossfade A or B. So for example let's say I've got a sample on side B, if I assign a delay too it and start scratching the sample will trail off even when my crossfade is closed on side A.
Basil Forshee
14.10.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
That would be a bussing evening mare... Youd have something like 6 sets of cables for a 2 channel rig.
Yes, that's true but I don't see the problem in that. Another option would be the Xone 4D where you'd only need a DAC but then you do have digital send/returns.
Nancey Inderlied
14.10.2012
Originally Posted by JDFS
Yes it does. But the mixer must have a send/return option. Like the Xone 92.
That would be a bussing evening mare... Youd have something like 6 sets of cables for a 2 channel rig.
Basil Forshee
13.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
Well I was talking about using a Z2, but no you can't use traktor's effects post fader on an external mixer since you'd be using the hardware faders and the FX would be applied before the signal even reached the mixer input.
Yes it does. But the mixer must have a send/return option. Like the Xone 92.
Tatum Ansaldo
14.10.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
Even with a Traktor certified mixer like the DJM 900 or T1?
Well I was talking about using a Z2, but no you can't use traktor's effects post fader on an external mixer since you'd be using the hardware faders and the FX would be applied before the signal even reached the mixer input.
Johnsie Kingrea
14.10.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
It only has 4 buttons per remix deck and I assume they control the top 4 samples, so it actually has no more functionality than any other midi controller except for having the RGB LEDs.



I believe the FX are in the software not in the mixer's DSP, so I don't imagine they'll work without traktor plugged in.
Even with a Traktor certified mixer like the DJM 900 or T1?
Tatum Ansaldo
13.10.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
So it's the second controller to open up the remix decks functionality? I wonder if that means they'll open up the remix decks to other controllers now or still locked to NI F1 and Z2?
It only has 4 buttons per remix deck and I assume they control the top 4 samples, so it actually has no more functionality than any other midi controller except for having the RGB LEDs.

Originally Posted by rdej47
So another thing can anyone confirm if the post fader fx will work in external mixing mode?
I believe the FX are in the software not in the mixer's DSP, so I don't imagine they'll work without traktor plugged in.
Johnsie Kingrea
12.10.2012
So another thing can anyone confirm if the post fader fx will work in external mixing mode?

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