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Traktor Z1
Posted on: 11.06.2013 by Janella Gripe
http://www.djranking s.com/2013/06/1...raktor-dj-pro/

Latoria Kavulich
11.06.2013		Nice addition to the lineup.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		Not going to derail thread but loads of reasons why timecode with TDJ would be fab. Actually, turntables are fab...but that's not for this thread.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
BTW am I the only one out there that is desperate for timecode support with TDJ? That really would make the difference for me.
Probably. Timecode itself is dying off due to the inherent limitations, and if you're a turntables DJ you're going to be dealing with big, bulky setups anyway so having a larger x86 tablet or a laptop instead of an iPad isn't much of a difference.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		It does but the interface is a bit messy and cumbersome. Can't quite get away with it even though I grabbed it for free.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
BTW am I the only one out there that is desperate for timecode support with TDJ? That really would make the difference for me.
Dj player seem pretty good i believe it supports dvs..

i only messed with the demo was impressed tho
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		BTW am I the only one out there that is desperate for timecode support with TDJ? That really would make the difference for me.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Except that TDJ has no generic MIDI support?
good move by NI.


some examples of setups.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
nice find.

believeing about it.. the z1 is basically a class compliant sound A2... that pretty much grantee's the next soundcard NI bring out will be compliant also..

the CMD MM-1 =
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
nice find.

believeing about it.. the z1 is basically a class compliant sound A2... that pretty much grantee's the next soundcard NI bring out will be compliant also..

the CMD MM-1 =
Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		Btw, I still use chinese cables on some stuff I never move. Like homecinema, etc. If you are going to plug it in-out many times, buy real
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You realise the knockoffs are made in the same factory, right?

Here's the right listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lightning-...item4ac5489e1d

Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		Oh I'm on my third MagSafe. All replaced for free by Apple I hasten to add.
Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		If NI did this to be used with iOS, they should include that.

Btw, knockoff chinese cables (of any sort) are just useless, you never know when they are going to die for whatever reason. Just save a bit more and buy the real cables, like someone said above, I also learned the hard way (I bought, literally, hundreds of cables from ebay and every single one of them didn't last over a year )
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		Has NI confirmed that the Z1 is compatible with any of these USB Camera Kits, given that the included cable connects directly to the 30-pin socket instead?

Edit: The camera connection kit does not work at all on the Iphone btw.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Lets put it this way mate. Knockoff lasted one day before the soldering knacked. Official product still going strong after 4-5 months. :-)
Haha, that's like the COMPLETE opposite of the fiasco Apple had a couple of years back with their magsafe connectors. I know like 4 people who have 3rd party chargers because their Magsafe connectors got pulled off the official PSU in a matter of weeks :-\
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		Lets put it this way mate. Knockoff lasted one day before the soldering knacked. Official product still going strong after 4-5 months. :-)
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
..and will be awful build quality. Just buy the official connection kit and save some cash in the long run. I know from making the same mistake.
You realise the knockoffs are made in the same factory, right?

Here's the right listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lightning-...item4ac5489e1d

Gaynell Rydberg
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Don't forget that that's YOUR opinion. Some people (myself included) feel that the EQs are better on Traktor than standalone mixers, especially with the Z-ISO curves. I was planning on buying an MM-1 specifically so I could switch to internal mixing full-time, but it looks like I'll be getting the Z1 instead now.

All we need now is for NI to add customizable EQ frequencies to Traktor and I'll be as happy as a swine in muck.
I believe the majority of users agree external mixing > internal mixing though.

Going from an A&H Xone 42 to internal mixing makes me a sad panda. I've been on the hunt for a cheap external mixer ever since.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		..and will be awful build quality. Just buy the official connection kit and save some cash in the long run. I know from making the same mistake.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Why did you link an adapter that does not support audio?
Whoa, that's weird :-\
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-CABLE-...item3f22e9ab2d

Enjoy

EDIT: Fixed link, other one was out of stock.
naw you need to usb.. not 30 pin..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Ligh...item257ef36b60

thats cheap rrp is 25


i really believe if you have no interest in IOS. and you get over the soundcard the CMD MM-1 is a better buy
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		Why did you link an adapter that does not support audio?
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
have you guys seen the price of the apple lighting to USB.... got to factor that in to the cost... = ipad fun but over priced
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-CABLE-...item3f22e9ab2d

Enjoy

EDIT: Fixed link, other one was out of stock.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013		have you guys seen the price of the apple lighting to USB.... got to factor that in to the cost... = ipad fun but over priced
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by DJBife
It's not the sound coming out of Traktor that is bad, it's the EQ's that are bad. Choose the Xone:92 EQ in Traktor preferences.

Mix internally for an hour or so.

Now put your hands on a real Xone:92 and mix for another hour. You WILL notice the HUGE difference between digital software and analog EQ's and filters, and start to hate internal mixing.

This controller is NOTHING NEW. Internal mixing exists for YEARS now. MANY other controllers like this EXIST FOR YEARS (with better layouts and stuff but that is my personal opinion).

AND NOBODY USES IT. I mean, name ONE big name DJ/Producer/whatever that uses internal mixing Live. I don't know anyone to be honest.



Don't take me wrong, I'm not against NI in any way (I recently purchased two X1's which I love), but this new Z1 in my opinion is simply pointless. Begginer DJ's will want an all-in-one controller (Mixtracks, whatever).

When they begin to start feeling comfortable they will want a MIXER. Behringers, Reloops, low price Vestax's, etc. After that they will want good controllers. (X1's, K2's, Contours, Faderfox's, etcetc).


I speak for myself as that is/was what is/was happening with me
Don't forget that that's YOUR opinion. Some people (myself included) feel that the EQs are better on Traktor than standalone mixers, especially with the Z-ISO curves. I was planning on buying an MM-1 specifically so I could switch to internal mixing full-time, but it looks like I'll be getting the Z1 instead now.

All we need now is for NI to add customizable EQ frequencies to Traktor and I'll be as happy as a swine in muck.
Marshall Aby
11.06.2013		When I got Traktor DJ for the iPad, I thought 'what I want is a hardware mixer that'll charge my iPad'. This is the solution. It'll also be useful for people that want some modular setup with their F1s etc. I'm sure that NI will release other solutions for other users too, they always do
Janella Gripe
11.06.2013		I believe NI developed this midi-mixer with an eye on the iPad users and diehard controllerist. It's a nice addition if you are using some X1's and F1's. Same size, simple, basic, portable... Pretty much the only thing that was missing for a complete live-remixing setup.

Also a perfect solution if you want to play with friends or at a local house party and don't want to take your $1500 mixer (heavy, expensive, not portable) with you.

It's definitely not designed with the intension of replacing the traditional club mixer.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by Bcaylor22
I am "noob" and i find this kind of offensive..... Its not that i dont care about quality its that someone who is 16 cant afford a 2000 dollar mixer.
Sorry to say mate, but when I was 16 I got an apprenticeship and saved $1600 for some turntables and $600 for a mixer not to mention all the vinyl that I was buying. Saving took me about 6 months.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013		the behringer CMD MM-1 is a more professional unit... 4 channels, usb hub... i'd take the hit on the soundcard and get that unless you want iPad.



they nailed it with that hub
Olin Easley
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
So why is it advertised by NI for use with Traktor DJ & Traktor Pro?
The more features it has, the better. Or at least that's how the public believes.

Zedd uses internal mixing btw.
Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		It's not the sound coming out of Traktor that is bad, it's the EQ's that are bad. Choose the Xone:92 EQ in Traktor preferences.

Mix internally for an hour or so.

Now put your hands on a real Xone:92 and mix for another hour. You WILL notice the HUGE difference between digital software and analog EQ's and filters, and start to hate internal mixing.

This controller is NOTHING NEW. Internal mixing exists for YEARS now. MANY other controllers like this EXIST FOR YEARS (with better layouts and stuff but that is my personal opinion).

AND NOBODY USES IT. I mean, name ONE big name DJ/Producer/whatever that uses internal mixing Live. I don't know anyone to be honest.



Don't take me wrong, I'm not against NI in any way (I recently purchased two X1's which I love), but this new Z1 in my opinion is simply pointless. Begginer DJ's will want an all-in-one controller (Mixtracks, whatever).

When they begin to start feeling comfortable they will want a MIXER. Behringers, Reloops, low price Vestax's, etc. After that they will want good controllers. (X1's, K2's, Contours, Faderfox's, etcetc).


I speak for myself as that is/was what is/was happening with me
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		P if they ever get round to making a platter controller?
Kellie Myrum
11.06.2013		So we got X and Z... What would be next? Y??
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
You're all missing the point. Z1 is meant to be used with Traktor DJ (or whatever it's called). No one is supposed to use it with Traktor.
Yep that's exactly the point. It's supposed to be a bit of fun with decent converters ( safe to assume it will have the same as every other NI soundcard). It allows to you charge your iPad while playing and gives you some basic midi control. For 199 dollars its a bargain. Will it change anything in the real world of club DJing? Absolutely not....but that's not the point.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
So why is it advertised by NI for use with Traktor DJ & Traktor Pro?
if you dont own a s2, s4, or other controller and own a f1 , x1 i could see the appeal..

for me it'd be a bit of fun for the iPad
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
You're all missing the point. Z1 is meant to be used with Traktor DJ (or whatever it's called). No one is supposed to use it with Traktor.
So why is it advertised by NI for use with Traktor DJ & Traktor Pro?
Olin Easley
11.06.2013		You're all missing the point. Z1 is meant to be used with Traktor DJ (or whatever it's called). No one is supposed to use it with Traktor.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by Bcaylor22
I am "noob" and i find this kind of offensive..... Its not that i dont care about quality its that someone who is 16 cant afford a 2000 dollar mixer.
Ignore them. You don't need a $2000 dollar mixer. In fact, I'd argue that in terms of effects and sound, you've got more flexibility and more features from Traktor Pro and a MIDI control surface than on even the highest end DJ mixer. If you're comfortable using your Mixtrack at the moment, then a VERY reasonable upgrade path would be a pair of modular controllers and one of these.

If you go into Traktor's preferences, there are different EQ and Filter profiles, plus with the four FX units you've got way more scope for modulating your sound than on even the most expensive DJM or A&H mixer. Hell, if you use something like Deckadance, The One, or Ableton you can even plug VSTs directly into the individual output stages for each channel. To get the same sort of flexibility with a "pro" mixer you either need to have a hardware effects unit or a multiple in/out audio interface and per-channel send/returns to the mixer, and then in that case you might as well be using an all-software setup anyway.

As for anyone who believes that Traktor's internal mixing "sounds crap", you might want to have a play with the headroom and limiter settings in preferences.

Originally Posted by jhoward06
Does internal mixing really sound that bad on a basic club setup? I like it but only because I just want a simple midi mixer to mix internally.
Nope. Try it yourself and see.

The majority of issues arise because Traktor includes a compressor which is enabled by default. If you're playing on a PA setup which doesn't have a compressor, Traktor will typically sound BETTER than CDJs and a mixer. If you've got a fancy PA setup, just switch Traktor's limiter off.
Cora Younginer
11.06.2013		Does internal mixing really sound that bad on a basic club setup? I like it but only because I just want a simple midi mixer to mix internally.

edit: The K2 can work as a mixer but the lack of center click is the reason I don't own one. Food for thought.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		The Audio 2 has similar audio quality to the Audio 10 as far as I know, and there's no reason why the Z1 would be any worse than the A2.

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