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Lizabeth Peight
02.07.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
XLR to RCA is anything but elegant..
I meant as a solution to that particular problem which one might be faced with at a given venue. You are welcome to find the problem inelegant.
Samuel Stamaria
30.06.2013
Honestly I see this being perfect with an ipad mini, and some headphones gone are the times needing to drag around a 1000$ laptop. Lets just hope they make an update for the z2/traktor DJ or even better with DVS support!
Karolis Petrauskas
30.06.2013
I preordered here on djtt.
Gaynell Rydberg
30.06.2013
I already saw some at my local guitar center.

Don't really see any purpose for it though so I won't be ordering.
Rochel Papillion
30.06.2013
so who plans to get a Z1 tomorrow?
or already preorder 1...
Doreen Schurle
21.06.2013
Originally Posted by lingk
This is all good and all, but unless your big enough to demand what gear will be at the venue, your going to have to lug your own with you. Most places are still rocking the DJM800, around here anyways, unless it's a big show and they are bring out the good stuff for the big act and your lucky enough to be able to use it. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to walk around a club/bar/rave with $1,800 mixer in my hands / bag.
Most places here are running DJM600s, usually battered and broken ones lol. My Wednesday residency had an Xone:42 the other day which was quite nice but I'm not a fan of the Cue buttons (can't just tap them easily like other mixers), but usually you'll be having to deal with a DJM600 which is REALLY not fun.

Whatever gear the venue has though, I'd much rather work completely off my own setup and just feed into a single channel on the house mixer and use that for tweaking the base EQ level. For me, the Z1 will be perfect.
Mariko Oppenhuizen
21.06.2013
Originally Posted by JesusJuice
So after reading this whole thread this is my conclusion. Z1 is dope if you're running TDJ or wanna make your 2deck modular midi setup more compact. But I feel like everyone has forgotten about the DJM900NXS in all of this talk. Its traktor certified, so bam you can do your internal mixing if you wanted to go that route. Its fully midi mappable so it can be used for way more purposes a la datsik and deadmou5 in ableton. You can go dvs or full cdj setup or modular also. Has built in top shelf sound card. Yeah I dig it, its expensive blah blah blah, but with dj gear anyone will tell you the same you pay for what you get. My set up currently makes use of a djx700... oh how I hate the thi g and relish when I can use a clubs djm. But once again that's just my take. I use 4 channels so I can't find a use for it. And if you use for channels and use a macbook your fucked cuz of the limited usb ports. But yeah you can by a hub and get two of em and have cables all over the place and have a drunk bitch rip out your shit at anytime cuz its "ideal for house parties" or whatever... but if your a noob looking to pick up mixing as a hobbie fuck it put your 200 duckets down and see if you wanna persue this further. Yeahh that was a long response hahaha
This is all good and all, but unless your big enough to demand what gear will be at the venue, your going to have to lug your own with you. Most places are still rocking the DJM800, around here anyways, unless it's a big show and they are bring out the good stuff for the big act and your lucky enough to be able to use it. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to walk around a club/bar/rave with $1,800 mixer in my hands / bag.
Armanda Yankauskas
21.06.2013
So after reading this whole thread this is my conclusion. Z1 is dope if you're running TDJ or wanna make your 2deck modular midi setup more compact. But I feel like everyone has forgotten about the DJM900NXS in all of this talk. Its traktor certified, so bam you can do your internal mixing if you wanted to go that route. Its fully midi mappable so it can be used for way more purposes a la datsik and deadmou5 in ableton. You can go dvs or full cdj setup or modular also. Has built in top shelf sound card. Yeah I dig it, its expensive blah blah blah, but with dj gear anyone will tell you the same you pay for what you get. My set up currently makes use of a djx700... oh how I hate the thi g and relish when I can use a clubs djm. But once again that's just my take. I use 4 channels so I can't find a use for it. And if you use for channels and use a macbook your fucked cuz of the limited usb ports. But yeah you can by a hub and get two of em and have cables all over the place and have a drunk bitch rip out your shit at anytime cuz its "ideal for house parties" or whatever... but if your a noob looking to pick up mixing as a hobbie fuck it put your 200 duckets down and see if you wanna persue this further. Yeahh that was a long response hahaha
Alphonso Deitchman
20.06.2013
XLR to RCA is anything but elegant..
Doreen Schurle
20.06.2013
Originally Posted by dillinger23
Functional, elegant, and CHEAP! Good find!
This won't balance your outputs though, you'll need a DI box for that. If the amp is under the booth, it probably won't be a problem using those adapters, although you may have to increase the gain on the amp. If it's upstairs in the office, you'll want to get a DI box to avoid interference with the long cable runs.
Lizabeth Peight
20.06.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980

Functional, elegant, and CHEAP! Good find!
Doreen Schurle
13.06.2013
Also worth remembering is that some DI boxes will convert the unbalanced line-level signal into a balanced mic-level signal, which may not be suitable for your specific application. Something like this: http://www.visiosound.co.uk/stage-st...isting+ads#355 offers the option to control the conversion.
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013
What are you connecting to that requires XLR connections? XLR cables can carry a balanced signal which is more suitable for long cable runs e.g. in a PA setup.
Mi Gabele
13.06.2013
Thanks for help. Is there a big difference if I use XLR plugs to RCA in quality? I guess there is none with DI box.
Alphonso Deitchman
13.06.2013
Get a DI box if you need XLR outputs.
Kristofer Krauel
13.06.2013
Just buy 2 of these.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0012IPSEW
Mi Gabele
13.06.2013
This looks like what I was waiting for, but I can't understand why this took so long to make it.

If you believe from the digital dj's perscpective, Z1 gives us a new way of flexibility, things comes in smaller and smaller sizes and I believe that is really interesting. I can imagine how the future of mxing will look like (stuff being used). So as I believe of buying Z1 and X1 and having a setup X1+Z1+X1.

I got one question, I never had a soundcard and I will need to connect XLR cables, so guessing audio interface or an audiocard with XLR inputs will be needed? Cheers
Marshall Aby
12.06.2013
It's the latter.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
Does multi-route audio mean the 30pin can be used directly as an independant audio out, or is it only for outputting a digital signal to an external sound card?
Marshall Aby
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Why am I remembering the "early" dual stereo routines using both the 30 pin and headphone ports then?
No idea fella. iPad didn't support multiple routing points at all until iOS 6.
Nancey Inderlied
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
It routes analogue audio from your single on board DAC, so it's the same audio channel as your headphones (but at line level).

The new lightning to 30pin connectors seem to have a DAC in them though (as lightning has no analogue out, it's the only way to be able to use old docks etc with new iPads). As to whether they can be used independently from the headphone output though, I have no idea.
Why am I remembering the "early" dual stereo routines using both the 30 pin and headphone ports then? IIRC the actual 30 pin standard terminal includes a DAC, as part of Apple's initial plan for the connector, which is separate, but I guess linked through firm/hardware from the actual headphone DAC. It's probably similar to the DACs on the master bus on most digital mixers if they're not independent. DJMs have separate DACs for each master output, but they're all outputting the same signal.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
Hmm..the Lightning to 30-pin adapter contains a DAC too. So that's another reason not to buy the 99p knockoffs.
Marshall Aby
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
The 30-pin connector has an analogue audio channel, which is how Line-Out Docks work.
It routes analogue audio from your single on board DAC, so it's the same audio channel as your headphones (but at line level).

The new lightning to 30pin connectors seem to have a DAC in them though (as lightning has no analogue out, it's the only way to be able to use old docks etc with new iPads). As to whether they can be used independently from the headphone output though, I have no idea.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
The Z1 is the only device that can control the internal TDJ mixer. You can use any? class compliant sound card for dual stereo output for external mixing.

Is there a simple 30-pin to RCA adapter that allows you to make use of the 2nd DAC?
Edit: there seem to be plenty of these. But that means the whole connector is taken up.

2nd edit: Would TDJ allow stereo output with one of these cables? Or does it only have access to the headphone output?
Nancey Inderlied
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Where are the 2 DACs in iOS devices? Headphone and..?

TDJ does support dual stereo with 3rd party class compliant sound cards AFAIK?
The 30-pin connector has an analogue audio channel, which is how Line-Out Docks work.

If TDJ already supports dual stereo, why would a first-party device use internal mixing and cost a bundle? That'd be like releasing a timecode oriented hardware mixer that defaults to mixing internally... Wait....
Doreen Schurle
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
Nope.
That quote made me chuckle lol.
Marshall Aby
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
iOS devices already have two stereo DACs (probably of higher quality than standard issue NI outs too
Nope.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
Where are the 2 DACs in iOS devices? Headphone and..?

TDJ does support dual stereo with 3rd party class compliant sound cards AFAIK?
Emelina Chillson
12.06.2013
iono what you goin on about.

what are the specs of the DAC output on each iOS device?
Nancey Inderlied
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
Add a core compliant soundcard to the cost of the whole shebang if you intend to use a DJM-250. And of course, most core compliant sound cards won't charge your iPad in use.
Why would you need a sound card? iOS devices already have two stereo DACs (probably of higher quality than standard issue NI outs too), all you need is software that can output in PF split mono or dual stereo, of which TDJ is one of the only applications that CAN'T do IIRC; because, you know, NI just loves locking in its hardware, regardless of how sensible it is.
Gaynell Rydberg
12.06.2013
Most likely yes, but whenever you're dealing with data transfer, there's no guarantee.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
Would a pass-through charger like this work?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/electronics/dp/B000FSQ6EG
Marshall Aby
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
When you believe about it, you'd almost be better off with a hardware mixer with an iPad, assuming the application you're using actually supports stereo pairs.
Add a core compliant soundcard to the cost of the whole shebang if you intend to use a DJM-250. And of course, most core compliant sound cards won't charge your iPad in use.
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You're forgetting that
Doreen Schurle
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Anyone else find it a little odd that the Z1, a plastic box with some plastic knobs, a MIDI circuit, and two cheap stereo DACs; costs almost as much in use as a DJM-250, a metal case with metal/rubber pots, a 24/48 DSP, and a comprehensive I/O bus? When you believe about it, you'd almost be better off with a hardware mixer with an iPad, assuming the application you're using actually supports stereo pairs.
You're forgetting that
Gaynell Rydberg
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
^Thought this too. I was really hoping for an updated TDJ X1 with sound card that I could route into my DJM250 for a super portable setup.
Me three. This is why I was saying I don't see a purpose of this controller.
Teresia Janusch
12.06.2013
this with an iOS device is a cool house party solution...cant see much other use for me personally. if it could be daisy chained with other controllers i.e. x1 and f1 then it would be better
Alphonso Deitchman
12.06.2013
^Thought this too. I was really hoping for an updated TDJ X1 with sound card that I could route into my DJM250 for a super portable setup.
Nancey Inderlied
12.06.2013
Anyone else find it a little odd that the Z1, a plastic box with some plastic knobs, a MIDI circuit, and two cheap stereo DACs; costs almost as much in use as a DJM-250, a metal case with metal/rubber pots, a 24/48 DSP, and a comprehensive I/O bus? When you believe about it, you'd almost be better off with a hardware mixer with an iPad, assuming the application you're using actually supports stereo pairs.
Julissa Serrone
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by bigbeatzz
Agreed, I was just mentioning one of the ways it could be used. I already have an X1 so I'd be fine with the Z1 (I also have external mixers and a bunch of other crap in my arsenal).
AND --- I have one of your mixers!

I need an iPad.

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