VCI-100SE TSI Version 2 Feedback
VCI-100SE TSI Version 2 Feedback 2_0 has some big changes (hense the 2.0) but its the most usable and fun TSI i have made so far. super easy to use but there are many, many deep layers of power under the surface. To see what the functions of this mapping do, please visit our mapping tab at the top of the page. When Posting bug reports here please make sure you mention:
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| Roni Coile 26.03.2009 | Hi Ean I have tried to import the latest tsi into Traktor Pro but I get a message in red at the bottom of the Traktor window saying the file version is not recognised so has been ignored. Any ideas? Drez |
| MadMan Ajms 26.03.2009 | I believe the same could go for the the FX on/off buttons that replaced the looping area. For me this was the best to have easy control over the looping of all 4 decks like in the previous TSI's.. I am still in between 1.7 and 2.0. For me things like Key Lock and these fx on/off's could be in another layer or even off and left to the computer keyboard. My 3 cents |
| Kathe Lefcourt 25.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by eMDeeeMA
/just my $0.02 |
| DJ Pablo 26.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by eMDeeeMA
But this is only possible if you have a 3 deck layout.With the current 4 deck layout the jogwheel has 2 modifiers,and you need 3 modifiers to make it work.Tpro only allows 2 modifiers. |
| Doug Bieling 25.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by eMDeeeMA
Just add search function to your browse up down buttons. It also automatically highlights anything thats already there meaning its ready for typing straight over ... I'm a genious! |
| Salina Belonga 25.03.2009 | Switch the key lock and headphone cue buttons back and make the key lock buttons do something else. I believe its unanimous that most people leave key lock on, and having it switch via a SHIFT + button command would be better. Leave the open buttons for something more readily used. Also, I still believe incorporating a jog wheel scroll for browser mode is necessary. It is much easier spinning the wheel than hitting a button a million times. An automatic "snap to search bar" function would be nice when pulling up browser mode, as mentioned before. This would save time and trouble in a dark DJ booth with only a few seconds to drop the perfect track. |
| MadMan Ajms 25.03.2009 | I'd believe it would be cool if the color of the blue was darker and red and silver were used as well. Like the colors of this release is nice. Red, silver, dark blue.. |
| Ryan Deegan 25.03.2009 | First of all thank you for all the amazing work on the TSI. It really makes the VCI into a whole new controller, I particularly love the current layout of the FX section. Couple of suggestions: I preferred having the headphone cue buttons sitting directly beneath the headphone volume and fade knobs like it was in the previous layouts. It just seems to make sense to have all those controls grouped together in one place. I also agree which Jesper about not switching keylock on or off frequently. Perhaps the headphone cue buttons could move back to their original spot and the keylock could be a shift triggered function on the same buttons? Although I'm not sure what I would then do with the 2 buttons next to the filter knobs... Once again, thanks for all the hard work on this! |
| mohammed farhan 25.03.2009 | This new mapping threw me off but im getting used to it, for the better. I have the VCI-100 SE and the mappings are different and its all memory, with this one. Like I said, please release metal overlays too, just because ours already came in black and theres no need to wrap it again. Metal is always a good feel. |
| Dylan Anthony 24.03.2009 | Nice work Ean. Your hard work on this new TSI is absolutely amazing! The 2_1 is in my opinion close to perfect. The Fx section works very well and Fx slot 1 and 2 on/off for Deck A and Deck B is super cool – please keep it that way. The improved browser function is perfect. Suggestions for further improvements: In 4 deck mode – when pressing C and/or D the Fx/master section at the top of my screen disappear. It would be nice to keep this section on the screen to control/view the Fx also in this mode. I suggest the Key Lock bottom is used for additional functions as well (I have always key Lock on). The main function could bee Snap and Quantize and the second function (pressing shift) could be Key Lock. The to left over bottoms in the left corner could be used as modifiers: Loop A and Loop B in combination with the 4 bottoms in the bottom (Sync, Drop, Pause and Play) engaging 1, 2, 4 and 8 beat loops (very nice function and almost the same concept as in the 1_7 TSI). Keep up the good work. _______________________________ VCI-100 firmware 1.2 (soon 1.3)+Traktor v1.1.001 + 2_1 TSI + NA Audio Control 1 + IBM Thinkpad T42 |
| Latrice Atcherson 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by Fatlimey
Thanks (I'll try again to reproduce the bug to confirm you need to manually select the CC from the menu rather than clicking Learn) Update: Again, my fault, didn't realize before that selecting "Direct" could change the values of "Types of controller" ... so selecting Direct changes the types and allows for "Analog Fader / Knob" while "Next/Previous" will only allow "Button". |
| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by Anthony More
Great ideas Ean..hard to get the perfect TSI that is why I believe 2 styles would be great.. |
| DJ Pablo 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by claudek
especially the effects handling, but I try to implement the new ideas of 2.0 into my 1.7, like the cue store |
| Greg Gow 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by claudek
Works well. Makes me wish for a click knob(?) though, so I could feel the loop size change instead of looking at the screen. |
| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 | sure it does.. try this example demo in bank C..only did one deck for example. open this 2.0 tsi and select bank C and button 1 turn the loop for deck 1 on and the knob adjusts the amount. This could be the same for each deck, (B, C & D).. now imagine this for easy control on 4 decks..be like a Xone style 4d now using the loops in bank c and fader fx mode would work with this loping in bank c....but the volume fader in "fader fx" could\ control fx parameter 2 and the jog could stay as it is to control wet dry and pitch control parmater 2 or vica versa.. just some crazy but fun ideas.. |
| robert chanda 25.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by freakerz
I don't have my laptop here to test it, but I seem to remember that in Traktor 3.2 when you mapped a menu selection to a CC knob it divided up the 0.127 range equally between the menu items. So if you had 6 items each one would be selected by 1/6th of a full rotation. To get this behavior you had to specify that the input was a CC instead of direct. I hope the same thing is still there in TPro. |
| Latrice Atcherson 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by claudek
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| Bernadine Somes 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
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| Doug Bieling 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by convoi
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| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 | One more thing that confuses me a little here is while in "fader fx mode", the jog wheel and the volume fader control the same function: dry/wet amount. I would believe the volume fader would be better control the fx parameter...seems weird to have it do the same, but maybe it was always like this in "fader fx mode". I tried the Traktor 3 TSI and it seemed the best..was it different in this mode or am I just dreaming? |
| Reina Ranges 24.03.2009 | I have an original vci100 fw 1.3 and with 2.0 and 2.1 layout the gater effect button (sw 36 according to vestax midimap) and the left keylock button (sw 25) seem to be linked. when i press either one of them, the other one lights up, and vice versa. the function seems to be keylock for deck A for both of them. so effectively i cannot activate the gater effect. i've read the vestax midimap and there seems to be no separate midi note for these two buttons (wtf?!?) so i guess they are always linked?) |
| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by freakerz
funny, dj's like Ritchie Hawtin and Chris Liebing use the A&H Xone 4D and they rotate the dials to get their loop sizes on the fly. Using a bank to control loops would be nice, but then the problem arises, there is no quick access to fx anymore without switching to a new fx bank like A/B.. I was believeing it would be cool for DJTT to make a few different templates/faceplates and colors and for the different styles and needs. I kind of preferred the 1.7 over 2.0 a little, as I like 4 deck control and decks c/d volume idea was brilliant using the fx dials, then one could control volumes at same time of A/B. Also, loops A-D could be controlled all at same time. 2.0 is great too, but very basic but practical. |
| Latrice Atcherson 24.03.2009 | claudek, knobs are too precise (increase rapidly) for loop size (already tried) ... each degree is a loop size.. there's no way to change the sensibility like a job wheel... that's why NI needs to provide freaks like Ean with some programming language :P |
| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 | Nice work ean..your working hard! Only thing I do not like, I'm looking at the new image only and not crazy about the blue color as the shift. Gold looked better I thought or even red. Blue will not look good in the dark I believe. One more thing I thought would have been cool, but maybe hard to incorporate in, is the fX knobs could be for the Fx loop size amounts (decks a-d) and the Fx butoons can also activate / turn on loops A-D on.. |
| 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by Djedge
New mapping with bug fixes going out now! |
| casey rascal 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by Djedge
But if you want to use this mapping by Ean, then yes - you need Traktor Pro (Traktor 3 isnt enough)! |
| Doug Bieling 24.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by Djedge
Yes pro or traktor 3 at least |
| Lenora Uncapher 24.03.2009 | Ean Thanks for all your efforts, much appreciated. Ok here are my 2 cents on the new 2.0 mapping 1. The deck C&D ON knob should be a button, maybe take place of the keylock button for quicker switching of decks A,B to C,D. 2. Im kind old school but I don't really feel the need to have 6 efx at once going on for each deck (A&B). Dedicate the Bottom FX2 buttons for decks C and D EFX. 3. Not sure how much the scratch buttons are used, but I always leave mine on and maybe these could be used for something else like the keylock. 4. Just a request., maybe fitting in a preview button somewhere... my brain can only remember so many records and after a while most tracks are often forgotten. Thanks for all your hard work Ean. |
| Marcel Almero 23.03.2009 | So i am one of the fortunate few to have a signed arcade edition of the Vci..Only problem is it came with traktor 3LE and the vci doesnt do anything my total control did..Do i need to get Traktor Pro to be able to use the unit? I was previously using Numark Cue and decided to upgrade after seeing the youtube vids..Someone help i want to use the vci on my next gig |
| Dj Tykarma 23.03.2009 | Ean, first thanks for your good job. Here are my thoughts after testing the new mapping with one of the one hundred VCI-100SEs on Firmware v1.3 and Traktor Pro 1.1.1 : 1. The FX section remains quite confusing, you should probably add a third color to your labeling and show for example what happens when we select the 1+2 FX control mode. 2. The LOOP and LOOP-/+ buttons are in symmetry where I'd expect them to be in the same order on each deck as it's the case for the transport control buttons on the bottom. The SCRATCH and DECK COPY buttons are ok though as they aren't aligned so we easily identify which is the good one. 3. When using Fader Performance mode, i would expect the jog wheel to turn the FX on and off when changing direction as it's the case for the volume faders. 4. For the Cue mapping feature, why not making it even simpler ? "Shift + one of the cue buttons" to map the current position without even having to drop the cue. 5. The PAUSE button is actually a "CUE/PAUSE" button and should be labeled so. You could also add the real PAUSE function with "Shift+PAUSE" or with "Shift+PLAY". In that case you should add the "PAUSE" label in blue on the bottom side of this button. 6. When using the Juggle performance mode, I'd love to see the LEDs of the transport section buttons on the bottom going all blue and switching to white when they're hit. 7. When using the Advanced FX mode and the 1+2 FX Bank control mode, the WET/DRY rotary should set to 50% for convenience. 8. I agree with the comments on the FX assign buttons on the left. 9. I also agree with the fact that plates would be better than stickers for the new layouts based on this mapping. 10. I finish with an idea : What if we had all the parameters of each newly selected FX pre-set to what you believe is the best position for the audience's ear so as we can drop an FX without believeing of not making any bad noises or end up with no sound. Thanks again and keep up the good work! |
| Corey Holm 23.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
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| Corey Holm 23.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
I like the version 2, its so easy to understand and use. Its almost perfect. But i believe i will change it a little bit so its works for me and my type of work: I would use the shift and the buttons under the effect knob to have 4 presets effect to deck 1 and deck 2 (like the 1.3.2 tsi) not shift and turning knob as it is now (it could stay but i believe its so difficult to tune in 3 different effects in the dark and not looking at the computer). And then try to put in "super knob" in 1+2 bank Then i will change the advanced and chained button to beatjump 16 beats +/- on each deck because i dont use advance effect. |
| Doug Bieling 23.03.2009 | Another one ... The load command doesnt work when youve got your effects in the 3 chanined mode. It works when you have the 1 effect version selected. I'm on 1.2 but this worked fine on 1_7 any ideas ?? Anyone else have this trouble ? >>>>>>>>>MASSIVE GREAT BIG HUGE EDIT::::: I am a cock ignore me. You've changed the button to load hahahaha I dont have internet on my traktor machine so had to look at the tsi then run upstarirs and try it all from memory IGNORE ME |
| MadMan Ajms 23.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by EanGolden
Shift on small buttons 3/4 could expand collapse??.just an idea, also an idea I had that would be nice for users who like 4 decks..would be to have the pitch sliders become volume faders for decks 3, 4, and then user could control levels of all 4 decks on same level. |
| Karl Forde 23.03.2009 | Minus the few bugs.... Still would love the beatjump option to be worked in. If there was ANY way of making thsi happen you'd have the perfect TSI!!! |
| Doug Bieling 23.03.2009 | Great TSI Another few things I've found are ... Deck C & D buttons operate different, one you have to hold to continually display the 4 deck view and the other you toggle press. There wasx something else i'm sure but ive forgotten ... Hmmm it'll come back .. maybe it was just my tip.... Tip ... add the search command to browser up and down then when you open the browser you have the cursor ready and waiting in the search box. I tried to add a clear search to but that didnt work as everytime you tried to move up and down in the browser after a search your search was deleted and you were back to all your collection. |
| Bernadine Somes 23.03.2009 | Is there any definitive list what features are known to be broken with FW 1.2? I kno some of the bugs were firmware independent so now that those are fixed I'm wondering what still won't work with FW 1.2. Can't wait to see a video demo of this .TSI |
| MadMan Ajms 24.03.2009 | I would honestly wait until like Friday until you put the order in for the finals..Never good to rush things like this. I was having fun with FX bank C..I found the SHIFT and rotating the fx knob changes the fx..(nice). I was wondering if there was a SHIFT or Modifier that can also control the WET DRY in Bank C? |
| 24.03.2009 | hey guys- i agree with the FX per deck thing- its makes more sense. I was having the same brain fart when making quick decisions. Sounds like a nasty bug on the tree load- I will check that one and add it toevening . All of the other bugs have been fixed that were mentioned here and should be released toevening . So besides the FX layout- everyone likes the new TSI and agrees this should be the final major layout change? |
| Bernadine Somes 23.03.2009 |
Originally Posted by mpetersen3
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