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Stanton SC System (1D+1M) DJTT Review
Posted on: 29.09.2010 by Aurea Kager
Hi there guys, so i was watching some gear on the internet and i noticed that there
Clay Donaldson
06.02.2011		Got my SCS1m about a month ago. It's a pretty nice controller, although a bit too plastic. Especially the knobs are very wobbly. But anyway...

I'm about to customize the Traktor Pro mapping a bit. Just came to one problem/question? Are the A/B buttons on each channel able to give led feedback as well? If so how do I make this happen? Wanna assign them to the crossfader control.

Anybody can help please?
Rosalyn Phillpott
27.11.2010
Originally Posted by nem0nic
I would say you have the wrong TSI loaded then. In any case, it sounds like a simple configuration error, and the Stanton support guys could resolve this easily in a short phone call.
There's only one TSI file with the browse function and it's the one I grabbed from the Stanton community s a few weeks ago.
Matthew Urtel
27.11.2010		Stanton guys are A+++ with customer service, they hooked me up.
Diogo Dj Dragão
26.11.2010		I would say you have the wrong TSI loaded then. In any case, it sounds like a simple configuration error, and the Stanton support guys could resolve this easily in a short phone call.
Rosalyn Phillpott
26.11.2010		Yep, I just went back to the stock DaRouter preset and everything worked fine.
Diogo Dj Dragão
26.11.2010		But they work in other presets?
Rosalyn Phillpott
26.11.2010		Alright, sorry for not testing your advice out earlier, but school has been busy. I'm sitting here with my SCS system now and gave your advice a shot, but still nothing on the 3m.

Everything on the 3m works perfectly (effects, EQ, headphone button) except for the crossfader and the 2 channel faders, they do absolutely nothing with this preset.
Diogo Dj Dragão
11.11.2010		So lets look at hardware. Try replacing the USB cable between the SCS.3m and the computer with a different one. Preferably one that didn't come with the SCS.3 pack. Also, be sure to verify that the SCS.3m is plugged into mains power. Then disconnect the SCS.3ds from the 3m and see if proper operation returns to the 3m.

If it acts right, add a single 3d to the 3m via the external USB ports at the top of the 3m. Test again.

If it's still acting correctly at this point, add the last SCS.3d to the 3m via the other top port. Test again.

If it's all working correctly, disconnect it all and wire it all up using the hidden ports in the bottom of the SCS.3m (using the wire management). Connect it all and test again.

Report results or failures here.
Rosalyn Phillpott
10.11.2010		Yeah, I did all this last evening as well. Serial numbers show up in DaRouter perfectly fine, and I imported the file into Traktor just as stated in that link.
Diogo Dj Dragão
10.11.2010		That's a system preset, so it's got translators for both the 3ds and the 3m. Make sure that all devices are showing up as properly detected in DaRouter, and follow the instructions here.

http://community s.stantondj.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=573
Rosalyn Phillpott
10.11.2010		I installed the DaRouter preset and Traktor preset found here and everything with the browse mode works perfectly, but the 3.m is pretty much not functioning at all. No crossfade, no channel volume, just like the guy in the 2nd post on the linked thread.
Diogo Dj Dragão
10.11.2010		Your problem isn't a preset issue unless you've loaded an SCS.3d only preset. Describe in detail what's happening and I can probably steer you in the right direction.
Rosalyn Phillpott
09.11.2010		Hey nem0nic, I was over on the Stanton community s and noticed you posting in a thread regarding a beta preset that was built with browsing included for the SCS.3. Someone replied that the preset wasn't giving them the ability to control the 3.m, but I never found a reply to the guy's problem. Am I now having that exact problem on my Mac, can't control anything on the mixer. Any tips?

And thanks a ton for your help up to this point!
Lashay Walchak
05.11.2010
Originally Posted by nem0nic
You can ABSOLUTELY have SCS.1 DaRouter and SCS3 DaRouter running at the same time. In fact, I did a video of it here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO86ayBMWL0
Nice! I though it would've been a separate preset in the same DaRouter. Craigslist here I come! Lol
Diogo Dj Dragão
05.11.2010
My gripe would be that I couldn't easily add either sc1 component as I couldn't have two instances of DaRouter running. I'd HAVE to buy Bomes and make a custom bmtp which seems like it would be a lot of work.
You can ABSOLUTELY have SCS.1 DaRouter and SCS3 DaRouter running at the same time. In fact, I did a video of it here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO86ayBMWL0
Lashay Walchak
05.11.2010		Coming from a controller noon I can say I had some problems originally with the scs3 but I've made a custom mapping for the 9 button layout for my 3d's and a separate map (avoiding DaRouter) for my 3m as it has it's own logic and can say I've got the system running stable consistently w/o the use of the power cord, although I do have several more powered USB ports than many laptop users as I'm running a HP touchsmart 600 all in one.

I like the system a lot thus far and have control of almost every thing in Traktor including 4 decks, 4 fx units, and browsing/loading.


My gripe would be that I couldn't easily add either sc1 component as I couldn't have two instances of DaRouter running. I'd HAVE to buy Bomes and make a custom bmtp which seems like it would be a lot of work.
Rosalyn Phillpott
03.11.2010
Originally Posted by nem0nic
You MUST use the power adapter with the SCS.3 system.
Well that might be a problem-solver right there. Thanks for the heads up!
Diogo Dj Dragão
03.11.2010
Well, I never measured it, because I don't need too...
Again, you're entitled to your opinion. It doesn't have to be based in fact - that's what makes it an opinion. What I take issue with is that in a thread where someone is asking for a fix to a specific problem, you're addressing their issue with your uninformed opinion instead of fact. Just because you were too too lazy or stupid to find the root source of a problem doesn't mean everyone is.

As far as being a "Stanton fanboy", does being a former product manager there qualify? I've quit there to work somewhere else, but that doesn't negate the fact that I've dealt with every issue the SC System 3 controllers have ever had. I know the product intimately, so there's a good chance that the advice I give in this case comes from actual knowledge of the product.

So while I have no problem with you stating your opinion on an internet community , let's call it what it is - uneducated guessing from someone who no longer owns the hardware.
Treva Carinio
03.11.2010		Well, I never measured it, because I don't need too. Everything works fine, also in the past, except for the SCS.3D's. Selling those was the best decision I've made in the last 6 months, because they just don't deliver.

For me it's as simple as that, DaRouter doesn't work as it should and the mappings you can find on the community are great to use, but they still have bugs in them. Ditching DaRouter and mapping it myself worked a lot better, but in the end I'm glad I got rid of them.

So if you have problems with that because you obviously are a Stanton-fanboy, that's too bad. And if you're not, then I really don't get why you're defending a product that just isn't good enough.
Diogo Dj Dragão
03.11.2010		You MUST use the power adapter with the SCS.3 system.
Rosalyn Phillpott
03.11.2010		Thanks for the input, guys. Oddly enough, I replaced the cable linking to my Mac yesterday and that was the one time my laptop auto-detected the system. After that, even with the new cable (a Canon printer cable), it's not picking anything up.

Would having the AC adapter plugged in help at all? I've been going straight off of USB power so far.
Diogo Dj Dragão
03.11.2010
I've used them almost every day for the last 6 months and I'm still convinced that DaRouter is the cause of the problem.
You're certainly entitled to your opinions, whether they're based on fact or not.

In my case it doesn't have anything to do with the USB-power on my computer, I didn't have any problems with any other midi device (or any type of USB device at all) except the Stantons.
Have you ever measured the USB power output of your computer, resting and under load? Until you have, you have NO IDEA what you're working with. The fact is that some devices are more tolerant than others. And some computer manufacturers play fast and a loose with the USB spec.

If by any chance they are the only ones who are more sensitive to this kind of thing, then the original problem lies with the devices themselves, not with the end user (Although a lot of people just have a shitty system and try to make to best of it).
The SCS.3 devices all adhere to the USB spec. Does your computer?

Even when I used the official presets there were problems, so saying that it has something to do with an "unofficial" preset in DaRouter, that's pretty much bullshit. You say there is no need for other presets, only the official ones. You're just forgetting that the official one's pretty much suck for people who want to use those things for a 4-deck setup and I guess a lot of people do.
Nope, you're putting words in my mouth here. With the exception of maybe one preset, all of the presets you'll find on the community s were done by Stanton. I only know of one that was done by an end user, and it's obvious it's from an end user because a Stanton employee didn't post it in an announcement thread. I never attributed ANY odd behavior to the presets, because the problem here isn't preset based. It's bus power based.

You're just forgetting that the official one's pretty much suck for people who want to use those things for a 4-deck setup and I guess a lot of people do.
The 4 deck TP preset is amazing, and there isn't a whole lot it doesn't give you access to. If you add a 4th controller (I use a 3rd 3d) to the mix, you can have a handle on everything in Traktor you'd need - with more feedback and flexibility than anything else currently available.

My system runs very stable, I almost never have any issues...
This is the mantra of every clueless user that calls into any tech support venue. I find it especially so for DJ related gear.

I couldn't care less what you use to DJ with, but don't twist a problem you failed to research and fix into a problem with the SCS.3 as a whole. There are very few people that know more about SCS.3 than I do, and I'm definitely the most accessible of the lot. And honestly, there have been a couple SCS.3 problems that have had me stumped (especially concerning using the virtual MIDI ports with some AV software). But sporadic device detection issues are an easy one to fix, because it's always a bus power issue.
Treva Carinio
03.11.2010		Well,

I've used them almost every day for the last 6 months and I'm still convinced that DaRouter is the cause of the problem. It just crashes a lot, or doesn't recognize the decives at all. And that while I don't have any issues with any other piece of software or hardware I use. I find DaRouter highly unstable and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

In my case it doesn't have anything to do with the USB-power on my computer, I didn't have any problems with any other midi device (or any type of USB device at all) except the Stantons. They were directly connected to the main USB-ports and they were also connected to a powered USB-hub for a while. As that may be the cause for some people, I can assure you it wasn't the cause for me. If by any chance they are the only ones who are more sensitive to this kind of thing, then the original problem lies with the devices themselves, not with the end user (Although a lot of people just have a shitty system and try to make to best of it).

Even when I used the official presets there were problems, so saying that it has something to do with an "unofficial" preset in DaRouter, that's pretty much bullshit. You say there is no need for other presets, only the official ones. You're just forgetting that the official one's pretty much suck for people who want to use those things for a 4-deck setup and I guess a lot of people do.

In the end everything and everyone else is the problem (with most computer-issues it's true, but not so much in this case). My system runs very stable, I almost never have any issues, but the DaRouter software just isn't good enough. That's why I ditched it like 2 months ago and just made a direct mapping in Traktor Pro.

But anyway, it's actually not my problem anymore. I have the S4 now and I'm very happy I ditched the Stantons.
Diogo Dj Dragão
03.11.2010		It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the drivers. The drivers for ALL of the SCS.3 products are default system drivers (all SCS.3 devices are class compliant). DaRouter is in no way any kind of driver.

If the DaRouter software isn't seeing one or more SCS.3 devices, 99 times out of 100 it's a power problem. There are 2 common fixes in this case. First, replace the USB cables with higher quality cables. Cable quality can be an issue with most USB audio devices (and is why the DJTT store sells cables). You don't have to break the bank, though. You can order short cables with great build quality from monoprice.com. Get 2 short cables (beware that 1' cables are not long enough) for the SCS.3ds and a longer cable for the 3m.

Second, buy a quality powered, multi TT USB 2.0 hub and connect your SCS.3m to that. All hubs ARE NOT created equal, and after extensive testing there are only a few I would recommend. Belkin's Tetrahubs are solid, as are the Cables Unlimited powered hubs. just make sure they specifically say multi TT.

Some people get the hub first, but I've been able to fix the issue with a cable swap most of the time. No sense in spending the extra money if it's not needed.

I guess if you use a stripped down version of your OS with almost nothing else running (so no interference from other processes or other midi controllers), it might be a lot better.
If this were a problem with a background process, everything else would be suffering as well. That isn't the issue here.

I used the Traktor 4 Decks Mapping which you can find on their community s, but that almost says enough. There are not enough official mappings from Stanton themselves, users just have to do it theirselves. (Normally that isn't a problem, but if you, as Stanton being, use your "own" software, it is)
That's because the "official" presets and mappings come bundled IN the DaRouter software. If it's not in there, it's not "official". There is no need to offer separate download for a preset if it's already on your computer.

I believe that if you would make your own mapping directly in Traktor (so without DaRouter), that would make a big improvement too.
You could do that, but you're just going to have different issues stemming from the same problem. They'll just manifest in a different way. And you'll lose all the logic DaRouter provides.

The only other thing I've experienced with the SCS.3s is when USB power is being manipulated for power management. Be sure to disable power management of your individual USB ports in device manager AS WELL AS disabling that overall setting in your power applet. There's no reason to throttle any of that stuff when you're connected to mains power.

Fix your bus power issues and you'll see solid performance.
Treva Carinio
03.11.2010		Well, basicly it can.

The device itself is not the problem, it's the fact that they use a 3rd party piece of software (Bome's Midi Translator) for their translation. It works, but not perfectly stable.

I guess if you use a stripped down version of your OS with almost nothing else running (so no interference from other processes or other midi controllers), it might be a lot better.

I didn't really have the problem that DaRouter didn't "see" my devices, I just had a lot of problems of keeping DaRouter running for more than 45mins. I also noticed that a lot of times when it crashed, it was because I switched layouts from one deck to another.

I used the Traktor 4 Decks Mapping which you can find on their community s, but that almost says enough. There are not enough official mappings from Stanton themselves, users just have to do it theirselves. (Normally that isn't a problem, but if you, as Stanton being, use your "own" software, it is)

That's why I eventually just tried to sell them again & bought the S4

PS: I believe that if you would make your own mapping directly in Traktor (so without DaRouter), that would make a big improvement too.
Rosalyn Phillpott
02.11.2010		That can't be, there's got to be a better explanation and subsequent fix than that. No one can sell a product at this system's MSRP and then just have it shut down and not function on a regular basis.
Treva Carinio
02.11.2010		I've had the SCS.3D's for months and I had the same problems, they would just fail on my 2 or 3 times during one set and then I had to restart DaRouter.

They're definitely not made for real gigs, just for fooling around at home.
Very unstable drivers
Rosalyn Phillpott
02.11.2010		Alright, got my SCS.3 system yesterday and have been having major troubles getting DaRouter to detect all the devices. Only one time has it immediately detected the system without me having to unplug and plug back in. What gives?
Shala Wohletz
27.10.2010		Good luck
Rosalyn Phillpott
26.10.2010		Just had an Amazon seller agree to lower his price of the full system from $300 to $250. Used twice, in great shape, pumped. Now if I can just get $100 for my Numark mixer, I won't feel bad at all for spending the cash.
Rosalyn Phillpott
23.10.2010		Yeah, I noticed that as well. It looks like I can get the whole system gently used for $305 shipped, but I'm seeing if I can get something closer to $250 on eBay. Also trying to sell my Numark X6 to help with the cost. Wish me luck, haha.
Shala Wohletz
23.10.2010
Originally Posted by hobi316
I'm currently shopping around for the whole SCS system. I'm following a few auctions on eBay now, but would love to see if anyone's got something for sale here as well.
Shame your over there postage is expensive, i got a scs1d in the for sale section cheaper than any ebay deal
Herma Buschelman
22.10.2010		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sURZLIASLT0
Rosalyn Phillpott
22.10.2010		I'm currently shopping around for the whole SCS system. I'm following a few auctions on eBay now, but would love to see if anyone's got something for sale here as well.
Shala Wohletz
22.10.2010		I have a scs1d for sale if anyone in the uk is interested
Herma Buschelman
08.10.2010		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLj1LYBsv4Y

Professor BX and I are gonna try to have a scs1 comp...if anyone else wants in just let me know
Diogo Dj Dragão
07.10.2010		Like what? I believe especially with SCS.1, I've been pretty transparent. I didn't blow smoke up anyone's ass and told it like it is. I still believe SCS.1 has more potential than any other system out there right now, but I don't believe we'll ever see it fully realized. That said, I'm happy with how things have been left, and hope Stanton continues to develop the system.

If you're looking for me to burn bridges, it's not going to happen. I have no axe to grind at Stanton. I'm only leaving because I've been given the opportunity to develop a ton of hardware instead of one or two projects a year... maybe. That's really my only beef. Everyone there was cool, and I learned a lot there.
Jerrold Blumreich
07.10.2010		So Nemonic, now that you're no longer a Stanton employee, got any information about the SCS.1 system that you wouldn't have shared before?

...But seriously...
Diogo Dj Dragão
06.10.2010		@chrisw - No. You need firewire on your computer to use the SCS.1. Don't waste your money trying the USB to firewire adapters either - they generally don't work.

@TABS
Your only option is to call their support. If it's a part like a Vinyl or slipmat, they should be able to help you. If it's something internal, you're not going to be able to get the part. You'll need to do an RMA.
Matthew Urtel
05.10.2010
Originally Posted by nem0nic
I quit being a Stanton employee about 2 weeks ago.
Know anyone that can hook me up with the SCS.1D parts. I would like to get mine up and running for a Halloween gig.

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