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Stanton SC System (1D+1M) DJTT Review
Posted on: 29.09.2010 by Aurea Kager
Hi there guys, so i was watching some gear on the internet and i noticed that there
Albina Califano
06.02.2014		I'm hoping that Stanton is just a "Sleeping Giant"...
Hello again,spent my dayoff mixing and came up with this idea,since the SCS1d deck does not get color feedback on the LCDs, but the knobs LED indicators do light up,I "mixed" both applying some modifiers,and got to this:
-when in the Advanced FX2: the first knob (D/W) will light only 1 LED indicator when OFF and all LEDs,until the selected amount, will light when ON.
-when in Chained FX1:each FX knob will light only 1 LED indicator when OFF and all LEDs,until the selected amount, will light when ON.
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Attachment 21598 all other modifiers for filter;key;fine pitch/move loops; are described in the stanton community "Traktor Pro V.203 Preset - Setup and Operation"
Diogo Dj Dragão
05.02.2014		All that gear is (mostly) still available. But they haven't had a new product in AGES.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
06.02.2014		seems like a waste to drop from production, they have a lot of love for some of their products. I could have lived without the 3d and 3m but the rest of their stuff has been great, I have had a scratch mixer, carts & headphones from stanton, my mate had 150's and they were all great gear
Diogo Dj Dragão
05.02.2014
Originally Posted by synthet1c
why did gibson buy them out then? was it just for krk
KRK was certainly the most profitable company in the Stanton Group. But with the Gibson purchase of Onkyo and Teac, I imagine there was a plan for Cerwin Vega as well. Stanton was the only company that didn't really fit.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
05.02.2014		why did gibson buy them out then? was it just for krk
Diogo Dj Dragão
05.02.2014		So the answer to my question was at least 1 year (and still going). And longer than a year since any preset work has been done (more like 2 years, because I know the guy who did the latest presets for the SCS.1 and speak to him regularly).

so dont say the company is dead or the products,that is not true. stanton was at the NAMM2014 with the turntables str8,wich are still the best on the market, still available for sell brand new.
I'm not saying Stanton is out of business. I'm saying Stanton is dead. There is a difference. But let's look at what they had at their NAMM booth. Yes, they had the 150s on display, but they were displaying them with a Rane mixer (Stanton makes mixers). I'm sure this was because DJ Spark uses that mixer, so let's continue. They had the DJC.4, which is an off the shelf Hanpin controller that Stanton introduced 2 years ago. They had the SCS.4DJ, which hasn't had an update in just over 2 years. It will likely never get an update because the people "old Stanton" contracted to do the work are gone. Stanton used to have a decent size booth every year, now they're 4 or 5 products - all of which are 2 years old or older - tucked away at the back of the Gibson booth. Stanton used to maintain bicoastal offices and a factory in South Florida, now it's 3 guys in an office in Chattsworth. Stanton used to create groundbreaking products, now they distribute a handful of Hanpin products.

I'm not trying to be a dick here. It breaks my heart to see what Stanton has become. I owe a lot to that brand. But this is the reality of your situation. The SCS.1 is NEVER going to get fixed. Unfortunately it looks like Gibson has no interest in developing the Stanton brand.
Brunilda Kora
05.02.2014		Now you're getting it.
Albina Califano
05.02.2014		the bugs have been posted about a year ago,I am the only user trying to help others in the stanton community ,sharing .tsi,and workarounds for the bugs,the rest of the users just complain about problems with the deck or LCDs...
I've been in contact with support, and I always get a reply from them,by email or in the community , also my deck was in repair last year,for about 4 months,but stanton support was very friendly with me, my deck was in repair for the LCDs and blue LED, it has returned only with repaired LCDs,because they couldn't repair the blue LED stanton offered me a Stanton DJC4 ,I requested my deck back.
about the bugs,support me told that all my bugs on the community were forward to stanton technicians, and they were studying them,and creating a new .tsi, but yes none have been fixed since.
so dont say the company is dead or the products,that is not true. stanton was at the NAMM2014 with the turntables str8,wich are still the best on the market, still available for sell brand new. also the SCS1m is available on many stores brand new with warranty, I own one for about a month now, and yes they have problems with LCD missing lines,my deck after 2 months already has 2 missing lines on one LCD window.and one LCD on the mixer, despite these problems they are good controllers and were the first to use pads, endless knobs, big rotating platter...
I wouldn't waste my time creating a preset for daRouter,wich isn't that hard, using the generic presets,copy paste,here there...because the problem is in NI Traktor, beside S2,S4,and the pioneer cdj or timecode,there is always the platter drift and less resolution on other controllers, and NI doesn't care for those. DJTT staff could crack the unit like they did with the VCI, already contacted them last year,no reply. DJTT started all by modding the VCI then created MidiFighter,a few mods on MF and thats it...now they sell just resell...
so all in all music industry is shit! from "famous" artists, to "famous" hardware, to "famous" software, we use what they want us to buy...
Random X
04.02.2014		@Partyboy:

Time to tone down a bit friend... the ones your ranting against, are actually polite enough to help you out even though you keep burning them.

Take time to re-evaluate what is written on these last two pages and take time to formulate your reply.
Diogo Dj Dragão
04.02.2014
Stanton should have had shared editable presets for Bome,it would be a lot easier to insert new FXs and change a thing or two.I remember last year there was a preset beeing made by stanton support...where is it??
Sounds like a question you should be asking Stanton - along with that list of issues you posted. But let me ask you something. How long have these bugs been posted, and how many of them have been fixed by Stanton? How many times has Stanton posted in response to your problems? Beginning to see a pattern here?
Albina Califano
04.02.2014		Stanton should have had shared editable presets for Bome,it would be a lot easier to insert new FXs and change a thing or two.I remember last year there was a preset beeing made by stanton support...where is it??

about the platter spin bug,it is a knowed bug shared by me on the stanton community ,confirmed by another users and also the stanton support.

(pasted from stanton community )
".no color LCD feedback on the scs1d deck,
.bug on the platter spin on deck D,changing the pitch fader doesn't affect the platter spinning speed, can be worked around with a "tempo range cycle refresh", set your tempo fader then press 4x "Tempo Range" button.
.all 4 decks "scratch release" bug, ramp-up or ramp-down, when having diferent tempo range on deck and on-screen; for ex: scs1d @ 8% / onscreen track sync'ed @ 9% ; also can be worked around, set Tempo Range at 15% or more to avoid ramp bug
.the red leds,encoder knobs dont match exactly the knobs on-screen, I also worked around on this, set Midi Range Min. to 43 instead of 40,in Midi Out messages for FX knobs Dry/Wet knobs. but this way 3 red leds will always be On, makes sense looking at the position of the knob on-screen.
if you want to use just 1 LED to light up the knob indicator use Min.3 MAx.18,but like the above the 3 LED on the bottom wont light up, makes sense looking at the position of the knob on-screen."

about my videos,when I was interested on buying the scs1 system I would have like to see videos like mine on youtube/web, because there isn't one video showing the capabilities of the platter, beside the one about the 4000 counts,wich got me to get the unit, now there are videos showing the performance of the platter, so enjoy them...
Diogo Dj Dragão
04.02.2014
Originally Posted by pARtybOy
Patch: nemonic totally showed that he didnt wanted to help...
I was wondering why you were reviving 2 year old threads by posting videos that had no point, and not bothering to add a comment.

As for not helping, I'd say I already have. Most of the new development that happened with SCS.1 presets was able to move forward because I supplied the people doing that work with data they needed. This was long after I left the company. They got their documentation from me - not Stanton. As for any bugs in the presets, what I can tell you is that bugs get squashed over time. And the company that produces that hardware needs to be dedicated to developing it's software. But Stanton gave up on SCS.1 a long time ago. You can't fix a bug or react to changes in software if there's no one left to do the work.

And that's where you are right now. You own a dead product. My advice to you was to either learn how to build presets in MIDI Translator, or move on. Because no one is left to fix SCS.1. That company is gone.
Diogo Dj Dragão
04.02.2014
Originally Posted by synthet1c
did cstoll get the sack? that sucks he is a good guy, I was wondering why he hadn't been around the community for a while and not answered a couple of PM's
Apparently he's no longer with the company.
Diogo Dj Dragão
04.02.2014
you helped building a great preset,btw, but probably forgot to test for bugs
You're right. That totally slipped my mind. My bad.

how would " qualified engineers" leave a deck D bug platter spin?? moving the pitchfader up/down wont affect the platter spin speed on deck D!
This sounds like it could be a variable that isn't properly set in the DaRouter preset. Or you could be using an older preset than you should be using. Or it could be a conditional bug that only expresses itself in certain situations (for instance, when deck switching from B to D).

moving the pitchfader up/down wont affect the platter spin speed on deck D!
I'm guessing this is related to the first issue.

"ramp-up/down" when a track is synced at different tempo range, how didn't any qualified engineer noticed this??
No idea what you're saying here.

also when mooving loops,why pressing knobs aka "super knobs" when you can turn the knobs???its just stupid!!!!
It's been a long time since I've looked at an SCS.1, but I imagine that the knob turn was mapped to a different function. That's why the move was mapped to a push. But again, no idea.

we just need better resolution on the platter!!
A hardware issue. I can speak to this. The SCS.1d has 4000 counts of resolution in a single rotation. That's more than the NS7. In fact, it's precise enough that it's capable of picking up rubs -
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The problem isn't that the platter doesn't have the necessary resolution to perform well. It's that the software was never set up to take full advantage of the hardware. The NS7 performs well because it was developed in partnership with Serato.

someone did on the VCI-100 and the behringer BCD2000, is it a mission impossible on the stanton SCS??
It's one thing when a company works with a modding community, or designs a product to be open by default. For the SCS.1, Stanton would need to give someone the "keys" to access the firmware. I don't see that happening. So yes, I'm saying that's a mission impossible.

any controller scratching on TPro will have platter drift,so the problem is with NI!!
So talk to NI. Although I don't see them taking this on either - mostly because they have their own hardware to develop for. It should be up to the manufacturer to handle software support (or at least be available to implement features that NI would need to develop compelling support). And again, that Stanton is long dead.

so what if the guy in VDJ8 Atomix isn't there?all the controls in VDJ7 are in the midi commands of scs1m+1d,when the VDJ8comes out its just load the same .xml and add new features if needed.
Another hardware question I can answer. When support for the SCS.1 controllers was added to VDJ, a specialized library was added as well. This is the HSS1394 library, which basically allows the VDJ software to listen to the output of the SCS.1 controller. The SCS.1 controllers aren't class compliant, and no software will understand their output without this library (this was a major component in DaRouter). If Atomix decides to incorporate the library into VDJ8, then you're probably right. The device file will probably remain the same, and the mapper file will change to accommodate the new software functionality.

But what if they decide not to include this libaray (for an abandoned product by an all but dead manufacturer)?
Albina Califano
04.02.2014		Patch: nemonic totally showed that he didnt wanted to help...
Brunilda Kora
04.02.2014
Originally Posted by pARtybOy
so you worked with stanton on the presets for the SCS?well congrats! you helped building a great preset,btw, but probably forgot to test for bugs! how would " qualified engineers" leave a deck D bug platter spin?? moving the pitchfader up/down wont affect the platter spin speed on deck D! how would no one notice this??"ramp-up/down" when a track is synced at different tempo range, how didn't any qualified engineer noticed this?? also when mooving loops,why pressing knobs aka "super knobs" when you can turn the knobs???its just stupid!!!! we just need better resolution on the platter!! someone did on the VCI-100 and the behringer BCD2000, is it a mission impossible on the stanton SCS??it works great with VDJ7!!!any controller scratching on TPro will have platter drift,so the problem is with NI!!
Bit of friendly advice, mate - this is NOT how you ask for help.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
04.02.2014
Originally Posted by nem0nic
the guy who created the SCS.1 support in VDJ was let go from Atomix almost a year ago.
did cstoll get the sack? that sucks he is a good guy, I was wondering why he hadn't been around the community for a while and not answered a couple of PM's
Albina Califano
04.02.2014		so you worked with stanton on the presets for the SCS?well congrats! you helped building a great preset,btw, but probably forgot to test for bugs! how would " qualified engineers" leave a deck D bug platter spin?? moving the pitchfader up/down wont affect the platter spin speed on deck D! how would no one notice this??"ramp-up/down" when a track is synced at different tempo range, how didn't any qualified engineer noticed this?? also when mooving loops,why pressing knobs aka "super knobs" when you can turn the knobs???its just stupid!!!! we just need better resolution on the platter!! someone did on the VCI-100 and the behringer BCD2000, is it a mission impossible on the stanton SCS??it works great with VDJ7!!!any controller scratching on TPro will have platter drift,so the problem is with NI!!
so what if the guy in VDJ8 Atomix isn't there?all the controls in VDJ7 are in the midi commands of scs1m+1d,when the VDJ8comes out its just load the same .xml and add new features if needed.
Diogo Dj Dragão
03.02.2014
I'm crying for HELP!
That was not made clear by you posting links to the same YouTube videos without any commentary or text into 2 year old threads.

As for SCS.1 product support - forget it. The Stanton that made the SCS products is dead - they were purchased by Gibson and left to rot. All the employees that participated in SCS preset development (including myself) are long gone, and the guy who created the SCS.1 support in VDJ was let go from Atomix almost a year ago.

SCS.1 is going on 5 years old, so they're pretty long in the tooth. If you want to change something about the SCS.1 controllers, your best bet is to learn how to build presets in MidiTranslator and do it yourself. Yes, it's a lot to learn if you're starting from scratch. But no one else is developing for them.
Albina Califano
03.02.2014		I did post the bugs on the presets on another thread,the videos are to just to show that we can scratch on these controllers, stanton/gibson doesn't care for them,but they are really good, some more support on the presets from the brand or NI and it would be great, but the stanton community also seems dead... I'm crying for HELP!maybe someone from DJTT could crack something on the firmware!like they did for the VCI-100 mk1 ...or I will just have to wait for VDJ8...
Diogo Dj Dragão
31.01.2014		I'm happy that you're getting use out of your SCS.1 controllers, but why are you reviving long dead threads just to post a video? You're not even saying anything.
Albina Califano
31.01.2014

Claudie Cymerman
29.10.2011
Originally Posted by t0rben
Anybody knows anything about a proper preset for TP 2?

cheers
Is the preset with comes with the latest Darouter not good enough
Claudie Cymerman
29.10.2011
Originally Posted by t0rben
Anybody knows anything about a proper preset for TP 2?

cheers
Is the preset with comes with the latest Darouter not good enough
Clay Donaldson
03.04.2011		Anybody knows anything about a proper preset for TP 2?

cheers
Diogo Dj Dragão
02.03.2011
...can the SC1D be used with Traktor Pro to create some cool sounds via turntablism?
That would depend on what scratches you were doing. Within a single scratch message there is no drift, so lots of scratches translate well to the SCS.1d. The drift comes in when there are several scratch messages together, like you would see in a typical beat juggle. So juggles are going to drift on you. Also, more platter intensive scratches (uzis, lasers, rubs, etc) aren't going to translate naturally.
Marguerite Truka
02.03.2011		you can scratch on them and the sticker drift, and scratch on messages are better

there not perfect tho still using my 1200's personally
Burt Rickenberg
02.03.2011		Hi Nem0nic,
bottom line on the good and positive with your contibution to gear and design, can the SC1D be used with Traktor Pro to create some cool sounds via turntablism?

Not adavanced stuff just the easier stuff.

Is there any inherant problems in doing this? Again if I wanted turntables I would have got timecode and I am not comparing the two.

Cheers, Maxy.
Marguerite Truka
01.03.2011		yea I meant that they worked with NI and implimented it into traktor.

I dont know how useless the current vst plugin would be I would love a copy if it can be used to record in ableton. would make my life alot easier on the production side.

I might get the ms pinky plugin for that believe I will need a few other bits to get that to work
Diogo Dj Dragão
01.03.2011		The SCS.1 isn't limited because it's using MIDI instead of HID. If Stanton waved a magic wand and released an HID firmware tomorrow it would change nothing. It would still be an undefined message to be implemented into software they don't directly control the development of.

will stanton ever release the scs 1d vst you showcased at NAMM...
Probably not, but in it's current form it wouldn't help much. Now if it were combined with the MIDI translation software... THAT might be interesting.
Marguerite Truka
28.02.2011		If only stanton could work with NI and get the scs 1D working in HID. Or the music software industry could get there heads together and actually decide on a new high res midi standard and NI to add it to traktor.

This controller would be the tits. Hopefully there will be a way to let me use it to scratch sample decks in the new traktor.

One question to nem0nic will stanton ever release the scs 1d vst you showcased at NAMM seems such a shame to have it locked away for no1 to use.

I understand if you dont want to answer that
Diogo Dj Dragão
28.02.2011		There is nothing to "sync". What specifically are you having trouble with?
Rosalyn Phillpott
28.02.2011		My mind is blown as to how unstable DaRouter is. Have a gig tomorrow evening , had everything working fine Friday at home, yesterday afternoon, and today I can't get this shit to sync with my Macbook. Incredible.
Diogo Dj Dragão
07.02.2011		You don't need the SCS.1m to use the SCS.1d (or vice versa). You DO need to use DaRouter.
Burt Rickenberg
07.02.2011		Hi Nem0nic, can I use the SCS1d without the 1M? Do I have to use da router?
Cheers, Maxi.
Diogo Dj Dragão
06.02.2011		Hey Maxi, I would love to help, but to be honest I'm not sure what you're asking me. I still believe that if you understand it's limitations, the SCS.1d is a fantastic controller.

As long as you're using Traktor, you should be in good shape - that's the strongest preset available. The presets are big and complex, but they also cover a wide range of use cases, so you should be able to find something that suits you.
Burt Rickenberg
06.02.2011		Hi Ariser, I have just got a SCS1D and I figure you can use it without the 1M with traktor pro. How did you set up your system? id you like the SCS1D?
Cheers, Maxiboy.
Burt Rickenberg
06.02.2011		Hi Nemonic, love your work, can you help me please?

I have been using Traktor with an X1 and Audio 2 DJ with a PC for about 1 year now after using Torq with X-Ponent for a year before that.

My new setup is Traktor Pro, MB Pro 15", Audio 2 DJ, 1x X1, 1x X-Session Pro and 1x SCS.1 D. I have thought a lot about what configuration to establish but I thought a legend like you would know best. What do you believe?

I want to use the SCS.1 D to give my performance a visual aspect as well as injecting some basic turntablism skills. I also want to stick with internal mixing.

I have just purchased the MB Pro and have loaded Traktor Pro but nothing else at this stage.

I have had some advice from community members that just have a go at mappings etc. as it's easy, but I am sceptical about this and feel that everything must be done in the right order and each stage of mapping must be done correctly otherwise you can create a evening mare for yourself.

The SCS.1 D and the X-Session Pro are also the other worry for me regarding installing the correct software and firmware. Hope you can help.


Cheers, Maxiboy.
Clay Donaldson
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by DirtyCache
Sorry to say but the A/B buttons are not backlit (have LEDs).
That doesn't make any sense. Every other button is. Why not those? Disappointed...
Deejay Atish
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by t0rben
Are the A/B buttons on each channel able to give led feedback as well?
Sorry to say but the A/B buttons are not backlit (have LEDs).

Congrats on your purchase.

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