Xone: DB2 Thread

If it was a digital 4D with those effects I'd be all over it but it feels to me the roadmap kinda went backwards. Take quality out of the equation and pioneer have been making this mixer for years. Everyone I know who has this uses traktor with it (minus one or two) so the effects and looping are already there. I'd rather have extended midi.

With more and more djs going performer midi controls are more important now than ever. I know it has the shift midi buttons, but personally i dont like to worry about shifting states when djing, and it's still very limited comparatively. Ableton, traktor, whatever you'd use it's sound card for has effects. It seems this should of been released (minus a few tech details) when the 4D was launched and the 4D released when the db4 was launched.
I rarely use DVS systems live, I'm working on doing more of a production performance, but its still in infancy. My career past and current has/is on techs or cdjs. I'd LOVE to have this mixer now in a club. Not using software that looper and effects would be great. In any case it's a great mixer.

kill send mode for delay and reverb is just like you described - when you hit the end of the dry/wet travel, the input is killed and the fx tails ring out. the results are similar to building up the effect and slamming down the fader at the 100% wet.

the next firmware update will include 2 major mode changes to the delay and reverbs, which i've mentioned a few times before...

first is the bypass routing. the fx bypass will be moved pre-fx, which means you can turn the effect off and let the tails ring out; alternately you can momentarily dub the fx in using the fx on/off buttons. the amount will still be determined by the dry/wet level, but this allows for some very cool ways to bring in or out the fx.

the second, more intense update is the addition of a "send mode", which turns the function of the dry/wet knob into a pre-fx send level. this does two things - allows you to dynamically control what the effect sees - sweep in your delays on the decay of a snare or modulate the attack and decay of dubs on a synth line; then it also results in the tail of the reverb or delay to decay naturally relative to your regeneration settings.

regeneration itself has been increased on the delays as well, so they get a lot more wild. delay modes can be shifted between ms and bpm sync; they also will do a call and response to your time modulations if you end on a long delay time. so take the time parameter, wiggle it up and down a few times, and end with it on a long delay. it will speak back your knob tweaks to you, since the delay buffer is recording the expansion and contraction of time.

so there's quite a lot to explore in db4 fx that are much deeper than what appears on the surface. same can be said for the db2 which carries over the fx engines and gains the post fader placement.

changing eq modes on the DB2 is accomplished through the menu. it's a global change for all the channels.

there are loopers on the DB2 - it's the roller effect under the delay variants menu.

DB2 FX are post fader, assigned via the x-y selector switch. they can be pre or post xfader if it's engaged, which can be very interesting, especially when running the same track across the matrix inputs with radically different fx settings.

the filters on the DB2 should not be underestimated, they're quite expressive and functional for smooth transitions or wild changes.

you can emulate master fx by assigning all of your active channels to an fx engine, which also has the filters in line... it's incredibly versatile, only limited by your willingness to do your homework, experiment, and take risks. same for the DB4.

DB4 FX are pre-fader, but on the next firmware update you'll see a new send mode for reverbs and delays that change the function of the dry/wet knob into something more like an aux send. the bypass buttons will also be pre-fx in that mode, so either through bypass or the send knob your delay and reverb tails will ring out. great for massive dub hits and the like. regen has also been increased for the delays, which make millisecond mode that much more crazy.

we've been doing some ridiculous filter stuff with both mixers - running maximum resonance on the dual filter mode eq, sweeping all the way down to create massive bass peaks, ramming that through maximum distortion for a ballsy square wave, and then using the fx filter (or the x/y filter on the db4) again with max resonance to be swept for serious wobble bass or a wonderful sub enhancement for layered tracks.

a variation of this is running one track across 2 matrix inputs, loop 1, run through 2 filters for wobble vibes, and then let the other run free with some minor feq adjustments to make room for the wobble. if your fingers are quick, things are totally nuts.

The DB2's EQ can't be changed on the fly, plus it's a global setting if I'm correct.

Well, yeah. That and 4 EQ buttons. Ever since mastering riding the EQs, I can't imagine going back to the 3 EQ world. Why would they f8ck up like that? Messin with their signature sound doesn't sound very smart.

Honestly I'm really glad they ditched the 4 band EQ. I convinced myself I really liked it on the 92 but when I switched to a 4D I loved the A&H 3 band and I couldn't go back to 4 it's just too much to mess with. Here you have the different modes so having EQs, issolators, and filters all in line I believe is more useful than 4 band EQ for carving out the sound you want.

DB2 for 1400 Euro incl VAT
seen here:

http://www.midi-amsterdam.nl/catalog...7V0sk.facebook

I'd also like to add, if anyone is believeing of either getting this or a pioneer DJM 900 - get the allen & heath.
the 900 does not record properly on certain mac osx. you can record out the back no problem, but digitally it gives all pops and crackles and a horrible fuzz sound.

That's only for the case for mac osx 10.6.8 and above, not sure about lion. Personally i believe it's a disgrace. How can you hope to sell a mixer that can't record properly.

Check the pioneer community s if you want to see more, there's a lot of unhappy people on there.

Rotary faders are overrated.

I guess I'll just have to save up and the Xone 92 with the rotary option.

Yeah, I agree!

Also I noticed that Juno has the db2 priced at

DB2 will be