Xone: DB2 Thread
Xone: DB2 Thread Posted on: 30.09.2011 by Romelia Stankard I believe it might be time for me to ditch my NI Kontrollers and get back to my Xonetacular heritage.I wonder how much a DB4 and two K2s will set me back. This thing look perfect. http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Produc...eDB2&SubCatId= Twin DSP FX Engines :: Massive FX Library XoneB2 has more than 50 FX presets divided into 5 FX types: Delays/loopers, Reverbs, Resonance, M odulation and Damage. These are studio grade FX | |
Basil Forshee 18.12.2011 | Yeah, exactly! It's really useful for travelling, I guess. There's room for your laptop and other accessoires and made specially for the DB4 . |
Cliff Lohman 18.12.2011 | Dunno.. Probably.. The bag was a neat little surprise when i got my db4 |
Basil Forshee 17.12.2011 | Damnit, too long to wait... I want reviews, hands ons and stuff like that! More in-depth knowledge... Does it come with that great bag which is also the case with the DB4? Pfff so long to wait! |
Cliff Lohman 17.12.2011 | I believe jan is the date they mentioned.. |
Basil Forshee 18.12.2011 | Does somebody know when these things are gonna roll out? I want one! |
Cliff Lohman 07.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
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Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
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Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011 | I thought Mix Architect said the DB4 was getting post Fader FX in a firmware update? Or was it a discussion saying that couldn't be implemented in a firmware update? |
Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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Hipolito Scionti 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
So DB4 is not traktor certified and doesn't have post fader FX!? Hefty price tag for that eh. Post fader FX is pretty big no? Best thing about the Pioneer DJMs is the post fader echo. DB2 ftw maybe... |
Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Coulda swore I heard the timecode beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep when I tried it |
Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by djproben
I dont really know why the input matrix gets lost since ur explanation is how I understand the audio6/10 soundcards work.. but it just doesnt let u route the channels around as if u were coming directly out of traktor. I havent tested line/phone input to see if u can duplicate those via the input matrix but I wonder if the dupe'ing is limited to USB input perhaps? |
Romelia Stankard 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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Danae Dumler 06.12.2011 | So I've barely bothered with Traktor since getting this beast, but can someone explain why you lose input matrix options when you use the NI audio card with the DB4? The Audio 8 ouputs 4 discrete stereo channels for external mixing, right? Assuming you connect those channels to inputs 1,2,3,4 on the DB4, why would it be a problem switching inputs on the mixer? Wouldn't the DB4 be agnostic about whether the sound coming into a particular input is coming from a CD player or from the Audio 8? |
Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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Hipolito Scionti 06.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
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Cliff Lohman 06.12.2011 | I finally got around to hooking up db4 via audio6 soundcard and thought id report back.. I dont believe i hear a big sound quality difference - maybe very slight but its overall still great quality sound. I do need to jack up the master gain about 1 notch in traktor but other than that, works great. Ive missed timecode I really hope ni certifies the db4.. Its just frustrating to see this mixer remain uncertified. But if u own an audio soundcard, its a decent workaround. So far, the only disadvantage is the input matrix routing (ie u cant dupe ur inputs using the db4 switches). Does anybody know how to squeeze a 3rd deck out of the audio6? Can i just use that main output/input on audio6 to route deck c? I dont record thru traktor nor do any other fancy audio routing so im guessing i can do this.. |
Cliff Lohman 05.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
- db4 has efxunit per channel - db2 has 2 efxunits for all 4 channels * depending on ur workflow, u may actually like the db2 efxunit layout better.. For example, u could route 2 channels or more thru the same efx parameters on db2. U cant do that on db4. - as i mentioned above, db2 allows u to use efx units on any channel. - the loop/roll is part of the efx on the db2 - db4 has roll as a seperate function per channel and doesnt eat up an efx unit. * again, depends on ur preferences here.. I believe the db2 is going to let u use dry/wet on the loop to bring it in and out over a track. The db4, the loop roll completely takes over the channel when engaged. I like db4 method for most part but i do hope they add loop as an efx on the db4 so u can bring it in and out with d/w. ive sent a request to a+h requesting this. Its one of the few things i miss from the djm mixers. Other than these routing / layout differences, i believe ull have exact same efx, parameters and quality of the db4 (which is just amazing - they really nailed it with the efx). |
Hipolito Scionti 05.12.2011 | Is the FX engine on the DB2 the same as DB4? Just accessed differently via the menu right... is that correct? |
Branden Wentler 02.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by mix architekt
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Brant Briski 02.12.2011 | here's a quick guide configuring the xone db4 + traktor to record your set using the mix recorder. the same will apply to the db2. http://mixarchitekt.com/xone_db4_traktor_record.html |
Mimi Mahaffee 23.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
Yeah I have a pretty advanced home stereo system (B&W 685 speakers, nad C325BEE amp, Cambridge Dacmagic digital audio converter connected with QED silver line anniversary speaker cables, monster optical digital cables and own made hq rca's between my cdjs 850's and djm 800 (wish 850 had digital out to djm). Using the same system with airport express for wireless audio in hq, also for the sound of my tv and computor via USB(everything digital is connected to the dacmagic which transfers the signal to a good analogue signal and then to amplifier). The DJM goes straight to the analogue amplifier cuz of no digital outs.. Sound is ok but just listening through dacmagic via computor or tv or ps3 gives me better sound than via the DJM. |
Basil Forshee 23.11.2011 | Does the DB2 come with a fancy bag, just like the DB4? |
Rosaria Lachina 15.11.2011 | The italian A&H catalog's says that the DB2 will cost from 1499 |
Danae Dumler 11.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by THE DEEP SEA DJ
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Danae Dumler 11.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by Ando
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Yevette Matatall 11.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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Ashley Bernhoft 11.11.2011 | these silver buttons look like they are transparent plastic buttons coated with silver paint and finished with a laser engraving afterwards. Nothing should come off using this method, it is used for e.g. car radios and other lit buttons. If something comes off, they forgot to sandblast them before coating them, usually done with nutshells for delicate parts . |
Cliff Lohman 11.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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Romelia Stankard 10.11.2011 | Any word on when a post fader firmware update is coming to the db4? |
Cliff Lohman 10.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by M.Beijer
I only briefly used the db4 with traktor and actually mostly ive been using it just with 2 cdjs (well 1 cdj900 + a dns3700) + 1 turntable. I'll go back to traktor at some point but I've been having a good time without traktor. I dunno, traktor gives me headaches believeing about it sometimes and makes my mind wander a million different directions. I use some good grade spdifs to connects the cdjs + the technics stock rca for the tt. Dont know the specifics on the spdifs but they look and feel like their decent quality. I use XLRs to go directly into powered monitors (pioneer sdj05s). When I have traktor connected, I just use the db4 + an x1 at the moment (again, XLRs direct to powered monitors). I will probably try timecode via audio6 soundcard soon when I get some time to get timecode back. Will see how the sound quality goes when I introduce a middle ground between the monitors and db4. I expect some sound degradation. If you had a real audiophile sound system, I have to imagine it would sound like a dream with the db4. Tried it out on a bigger system Monday evening (not sure on the specifics but mid-sized lounge sized system). XLR to amp to system. Thumped but it wasnt a high-grade system (just bigger than my home setup) so you wouldnt tell the difference between a djm + db4 I dont believe. |
Danae Dumler 10.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by mix architekt
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Cristobal Madhavan 10.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by djproben
congrats man. all I know is I hope changing the fader is less involved than the 4D. I almost had a hemorrhage trying to FIND one to replace it with, let alone disassemble the entire thing. I couldn |
Brant Briski 10.11.2011 | the best way to get to the xfader is through the back. loosen the screws which hold the fader on top first, then flip the mixer over and remove the 8 screws on the back panel. you can reach in a take it out from there. starting tomorrow andy rigby jones and i will be touring asia; we have workshops planed in singapore and tokyo with the DB2, DB4, and K2's; as well as club gigs in seoul, beijing, and singapore. if anyone is in the region and want to attend, just get in touch via email. |
Danae Dumler 10.11.2011 | OK so it's here. And it works. I've been playing with it for a few hours now, all vinyl; haven't even plugged in the computer yet. The effects are mad. The BPM detector is spot on. And the looper is really nice. Gonna have to see how much I miss TSP certification. Otherwise this mixer is absolutely sick. Loving it! If I keep it though I'm definitely going to want to swap the crossfader for an innofader. The fader is actually not terrible for scratching but it's not as nice as what I'm used to. Is there a guide anywhere to taking this thing apart? It's not obvious like the four screws on the denon mixer fader plate. There are screws on the top and sides of the mixer in a few different places. I believe A+H said replacing the fader with an innofader was a pretty straightforward mod but I'd be far more comfortable knowing someone else has done it before successfully. One minor niggle; the silver foil over the effects buttons comes off after a few presses. Not all over, but the points on the Ms and stuff are gone. Really minor cosmetic thing but for the price of these you'd believe they'd get something like that right. |
Danae Dumler 07.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by M.Beijer
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Mimi Mahaffee 08.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
How do you connect the mixers to your system? and what system are you using? (brand? Active speakers? amplifier + passive speakers? what cables?). I'm sort of new to the market and ofcourse i've heard of the "way supreme" soundquality of xone mixers. This is a important factor for me.. I do have a quite exclusive hi-fi system and care alot of the soundquality. Right now im using a 800 mixer. It's ok but with my D/A converter from Cambridge audio (name, dacmagic) for like 300 euro I get way better quality of sound on my system. (might be cuz im using better audiocable from my converter than on my mixer). |
Ella Rick 07.11.2011 | There seems to be a big problem with some of the db4 units, What's happening A&H... Come on! I was going to buy one but I'm gonna hold off for a while now, I'll stick with my Xone 92 for the time being. And I hope there is not going to be a problem with the k2 and db2 when they are released, if that happens it could seriously damaged their rep. |
Danae Dumler 06.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by kevz718
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Cliff Lohman 06.11.2011 | Was it somebody on this board who had a power problem with the db4 where it wouldnt turn on at all? If so, I stumbled on something that basically causes that condition (not sure if that was his problem or not). Like a dope, I wasnt looking and plugged stuck usb cable tip into xlink/ethernet jack in back. I went to power on and it didnt power on at all. As soon as I removed the usb cable tip from xlink/ethernet jack, it powered on fine. I was certainly panicked for a second there.. |
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