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Posted on: 30.09.2011 by Romelia Stankard
I believe it might be time for me to ditch my NI Kontrollers and get back to my Xonetacular heritage.

I wonder how much a DB4 and two K2s will set me back. This thing look perfect.

http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Produc...eDB2&SubCatId=





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Basil Forshee
18.12.2011
Yeah, exactly! It's really useful for travelling, I guess. There's room for your laptop and other accessoires and made specially for the DB4 .
Cliff Lohman
18.12.2011
Dunno.. Probably.. The bag was a neat little surprise when i got my db4
Basil Forshee
17.12.2011
Damnit, too long to wait... I want reviews, hands ons and stuff like that! More in-depth knowledge... Does it come with that great bag which is also the case with the DB4? Pfff so long to wait!
Cliff Lohman
17.12.2011
I believe jan is the date they mentioned..
Basil Forshee
18.12.2011
Does somebody know when these things are gonna roll out? I want one!
Cliff Lohman
07.12.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
so it works with timecode going thru audio6/10 soundcard? u can dupe a track from deck A to deck C by using the lil silver knob?

Coulda swore I heard the timecode beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep when I tried it
My bad.. I stand corrected..input matrix still works woth an audio soundcard
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I thought Mix Architect said the DB4 was getting post Fader FX in a firmware update? Or was it a discussion saying that couldn't be implemented in a firmware update?
Yep - post fader fx are supposed to be coming to db4 via a firmware update. might not be for a while tho I believe he said.
Leeanna Ayla
06.12.2011
I thought Mix Architect said the DB4 was getting post Fader FX in a firmware update? Or was it a discussion saying that couldn't be implemented in a firmware update?
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by MaxOne
:eek: :eek: :eek:

So DB4 is not traktor certified and doesn't have post fader FX!?

Hefty price tag for that eh. Post fader FX is pretty big no? Best thing about the Pioneer DJMs is the post fader echo.

DB2 ftw maybe...
U can pretty much do all the standard delay + reverb tails by using their kill send mode - its just done with the d/w knob instead of the fader..
Hipolito Scionti
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Oh ya and another big thing on db2 is the fx can be routed to pre OR post fader. DB4 is pre-fader only (but theres kill sends on some of the efx).
:eek: :eek: :eek:

So DB4 is not traktor certified and doesn't have post fader FX!?

Hefty price tag for that eh. Post fader FX is pretty big no? Best thing about the Pioneer DJMs is the post fader echo.

DB2 ftw maybe...
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
This is correct, it works fine just a pain.
so it works with timecode going thru audio6/10 soundcard? u can dupe a track from deck A to deck C by using the lil silver knob?

Coulda swore I heard the timecode beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep when I tried it
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
So I've barely bothered with Traktor since getting this beast, but can someone explain why you lose input matrix options when you use the NI audio card with the DB4? The Audio 8 ouputs 4 discrete stereo channels for external mixing, right? Assuming you connect those channels to inputs 1,2,3,4 on the DB4, why would it be a problem switching inputs on the mixer? Wouldn't the DB4 be agnostic about whether the sound coming into a particular input is coming from a CD player or from the Audio 8?
I pretty much stayed off traktor for the first few weeks but truthfully, managing my tracks was just a pain in the ass so I went back..

I dont really know why the input matrix gets lost since ur explanation is how I understand the audio6/10 soundcards work.. but it just doesnt let u route the channels around as if u were coming directly out of traktor.

I havent tested line/phone input to see if u can duplicate those via the input matrix but I wonder if the dupe'ing is limited to USB input perhaps?
Romelia Stankard
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
So I've barely bothered with Traktor since getting this beast, but can someone explain why you lose input matrix options when you use the NI audio card with the DB4? The Audio 8 ouputs 4 discrete stereo channels for external mixing, right? Assuming you connect those channels to inputs 1,2,3,4 on the DB4, why would it be a problem switching inputs on the mixer? Wouldn't the DB4 be agnostic about whether the sound coming into a particular input is coming from a CD player or from the Audio 8?
This is correct, it works fine just a pain.
Danae Dumler
06.12.2011
So I've barely bothered with Traktor since getting this beast, but can someone explain why you lose input matrix options when you use the NI audio card with the DB4? The Audio 8 ouputs 4 discrete stereo channels for external mixing, right? Assuming you connect those channels to inputs 1,2,3,4 on the DB4, why would it be a problem switching inputs on the mixer? Wouldn't the DB4 be agnostic about whether the sound coming into a particular input is coming from a CD player or from the Audio 8?
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Nice one cheers. Yeah I'm more tempted by the DB2 for some reason. Nice uncluttered layout i believe.
Oh ya and another big thing on db2 is the fx can be routed to pre OR post fader. DB4 is pre-fader only (but theres kill sends on some of the efx).
Hipolito Scionti
06.12.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Looks like its the same but few differences to be aware of:
- db4 has efxunit per channel
- db2 has 2 efxunits for all 4 channels
* depending on ur workflow, u may actually like the db2 efxunit layout better.. For example, u could route 2 channels or more thru the same efx parameters on db2. U cant do that on db4.

- as i mentioned above, db2 allows u to use efx units on any channel.

- the loop/roll is part of the efx on the db2
- db4 has roll as a seperate function per channel and doesnt eat up an efx unit.
* again, depends on ur preferences here.. I believe the db2 is going to let u use dry/wet on the loop to bring it in and out over a track. The db4, the loop roll completely takes over the channel when engaged. I like db4 method for most part but i do hope they add loop as an efx on the db4 so u can bring it in and out with d/w. ive sent a request to a+h requesting this. Its one of the few things i miss from the djm mixers.

Other than these routing / layout differences, i believe ull have exact same efx, parameters and quality of the db4 (which is just amazing - they really nailed it with the efx).
Nice one cheers. Yeah I'm more tempted by the DB2 for some reason. Nice uncluttered layout i believe.
Cliff Lohman
06.12.2011
I finally got around to hooking up db4 via audio6 soundcard and thought id report back.. I dont believe i hear a big sound quality difference - maybe very slight but its overall still great quality sound. I do need to jack up the master gain about 1 notch in traktor but other than that, works great.

Ive missed timecode

I really hope ni certifies the db4.. Its just frustrating to see this mixer remain uncertified.

But if u own an audio soundcard, its a decent workaround. So far, the only disadvantage is the input matrix routing (ie u cant dupe ur inputs using the db4 switches).

Does anybody know how to squeeze a 3rd deck out of the audio6? Can i just use that main output/input on audio6 to route deck c? I dont record thru traktor nor do any other fancy audio routing so im guessing i can do this..
Cliff Lohman
05.12.2011
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Is the FX engine on the DB2 the same as DB4?

Just accessed differently via the menu right... is that correct?
Looks like its the same but few differences to be aware of:
- db4 has efxunit per channel
- db2 has 2 efxunits for all 4 channels
* depending on ur workflow, u may actually like the db2 efxunit layout better.. For example, u could route 2 channels or more thru the same efx parameters on db2. U cant do that on db4.

- as i mentioned above, db2 allows u to use efx units on any channel.

- the loop/roll is part of the efx on the db2
- db4 has roll as a seperate function per channel and doesnt eat up an efx unit.
* again, depends on ur preferences here.. I believe the db2 is going to let u use dry/wet on the loop to bring it in and out over a track. The db4, the loop roll completely takes over the channel when engaged. I like db4 method for most part but i do hope they add loop as an efx on the db4 so u can bring it in and out with d/w. ive sent a request to a+h requesting this. Its one of the few things i miss from the djm mixers.

Other than these routing / layout differences, i believe ull have exact same efx, parameters and quality of the db4 (which is just amazing - they really nailed it with the efx).
Hipolito Scionti
05.12.2011
Is the FX engine on the DB2 the same as DB4?

Just accessed differently via the menu right... is that correct?
Branden Wentler
02.12.2011
Originally Posted by mix architekt
here's a quick guide configuring the xone db4 + traktor to record your set using the mix recorder. the same will apply to the db2.

http://mixarchitekt.com/xone_db4_traktor_record.html
Ha! Just when I was about to record some sets this weekend. I do notice however that I have to pump my record levels up quite a bit in Traktor else it's too quiet. Mix meter in Traktor is in the mids (wtv that means since there are no numbers) and the DB4 generally peaks at+2 to 3. thanks for the guide though.
Brant Briski
02.12.2011
here's a quick guide configuring the xone db4 + traktor to record your set using the mix recorder. the same will apply to the db2.

http://mixarchitekt.com/xone_db4_traktor_record.html
Mimi Mahaffee
23.11.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Hi,

I only briefly used the db4 with traktor and actually mostly ive been using it just with 2 cdjs (well 1 cdj900 + a dns3700) + 1 turntable. I'll go back to traktor at some point but I've been having a good time without traktor. I dunno, traktor gives me headaches believeing about it sometimes and makes my mind wander a million different directions.

I use some good grade spdifs to connects the cdjs + the technics stock rca for the tt. Dont know the specifics on the spdifs but they look and feel like their decent quality.

I use XLRs to go directly into powered monitors (pioneer sdj05s).

When I have traktor connected, I just use the db4 + an x1 at the moment (again, XLRs direct to powered monitors). I will probably try timecode via audio6 soundcard soon when I get some time to get timecode back. Will see how the sound quality goes when I introduce a middle ground between the monitors and db4. I expect some sound degradation.

If you had a real audiophile sound system, I have to imagine it would sound like a dream with the db4. Tried it out on a bigger system Monday evening (not sure on the specifics but mid-sized lounge sized system). XLR to amp to system. Thumped but it wasnt a high-grade system (just bigger than my home setup) so you wouldnt tell the difference between a djm + db4 I dont believe.
Okay,

Yeah I have a pretty advanced home stereo system (B&W 685 speakers, nad C325BEE amp, Cambridge Dacmagic digital audio converter connected with QED silver line anniversary speaker cables, monster optical digital cables and own made hq rca's between my cdjs 850's and djm 800 (wish 850 had digital out to djm).
Using the same system with airport express for wireless audio in hq, also for the sound of my tv and computor via USB(everything digital is connected to the dacmagic which transfers the signal to a good analogue signal and then to amplifier). The DJM goes straight to the analogue amplifier cuz of no digital outs..
Sound is ok but just listening through dacmagic via computor or tv or ps3 gives me better sound than via the DJM.
Basil Forshee
23.11.2011
Does the DB2 come with a fancy bag, just like the DB4?
Rosaria Lachina
15.11.2011
The italian A&H catalog's says that the DB2 will cost from 1499
Danae Dumler
11.11.2011
Originally Posted by THE DEEP SEA DJ
+1 caint wait for new firmware upgrade.
My sense from the last time mixarkitecht posted about it is that this won't be in the next firmware upgrade as there are other priorities focused on first. Either way, I'm just glad they continue to upgrade the firmware; my experience with mixers that have upgradeable firmware has been one or two upgrades to fix problems and that's it - no new features, no real upgrades, just a few bug fixes. The DB4 (and DB2) promises a lot more than that, which is one of the reasons I was willing to pay the premium for it.
Danae Dumler
11.11.2011
Originally Posted by Ando
these silver buttons look like they are transparent plastic buttons coated with silver paint and finished with a laser engraving afterwards. Nothing should come off using this method, it is used for e.g. car radios and other lit buttons. If something comes off, they forgot to sandblast them before coating them, usually done with nutshells for delicate parts .
Well then they forgot to sandblast the ones on mine, as well as on a unit I played with in a store about six months ago. And I believe I saw a review that mentioned this back then too; I don't believe I'm the first to notice this. The whole letter doesnt come off, just a tiny sliver in some letters where it's thin (like the triangles in "M"). I can take photos if anyone wants; it's a barely noticeable thing but once you do notice it, it's there... and it's one of those things you don't really expect on gear this high-end.
Yevette Matatall
11.11.2011
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Any word on when a post fader firmware update is coming to the db4?
+1 caint wait for new firmware upgrade.
Ashley Bernhoft
11.11.2011
these silver buttons look like they are transparent plastic buttons coated with silver paint and finished with a laser engraving afterwards. Nothing should come off using this method, it is used for e.g. car radios and other lit buttons. If something comes off, they forgot to sandblast them before coating them, usually done with nutshells for delicate parts .
Cliff Lohman
11.11.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
OK so it's here. And it works. I've been playing with it for a few hours now, all vinyl; haven't even plugged in the computer yet. The effects are mad. The BPM detector is spot on. And the looper is really nice. Gonna have to see how much I miss TSP certification. Otherwise this mixer is absolutely sick. Loving it!

If I keep it though I'm definitely going to want to swap the crossfader for an innofader. The fader is actually not terrible for scratching but it's not as nice as what I'm used to. Is there a guide anywhere to taking this thing apart? It's not obvious like the four screws on the denon mixer fader plate. There are screws on the top and sides of the mixer in a few different places. I believe A+H said replacing the fader with an innofader was a pretty straightforward mod but I'd be far more comfortable knowing someone else has done it before successfully.

One minor niggle; the silver foil over the effects buttons comes off after a few presses. Not all over, but the points on the Ms and stuff are gone. Really minor cosmetic thing but for the price of these you'd believe they'd get something like that right.
What do u mean by the silver foil coming off? Like the "M" on the "MOD" effect button? I really dont believe anything should be coming off those effect buttons.. the buttons on mine dont feel like theres any foil/covering of any kind.. Seems like a solid button thats engraved with lettering.. Unless Im misunderstanding this?
Romelia Stankard
10.11.2011
Any word on when a post fader firmware update is coming to the db4?
Cliff Lohman
10.11.2011
Originally Posted by M.Beijer
Hey there,

How do you connect the mixers to your system?
and what system are you using?
(brand? Active speakers? amplifier + passive speakers? what cables?).
I'm sort of new to the market and ofcourse i've heard of the "way supreme" soundquality of xone mixers. This is a important factor for me.. I do have a quite exclusive hi-fi system and care alot of the soundquality. Right now im using a 800 mixer. It's ok but with my D/A converter from Cambridge audio (name, dacmagic) for like 300 euro I get way better quality of sound on my system. (might be cuz im using better audiocable from my converter than on my mixer).
Hi,

I only briefly used the db4 with traktor and actually mostly ive been using it just with 2 cdjs (well 1 cdj900 + a dns3700) + 1 turntable. I'll go back to traktor at some point but I've been having a good time without traktor. I dunno, traktor gives me headaches believeing about it sometimes and makes my mind wander a million different directions.

I use some good grade spdifs to connects the cdjs + the technics stock rca for the tt. Dont know the specifics on the spdifs but they look and feel like their decent quality.

I use XLRs to go directly into powered monitors (pioneer sdj05s).

When I have traktor connected, I just use the db4 + an x1 at the moment (again, XLRs direct to powered monitors). I will probably try timecode via audio6 soundcard soon when I get some time to get timecode back. Will see how the sound quality goes when I introduce a middle ground between the monitors and db4. I expect some sound degradation.

If you had a real audiophile sound system, I have to imagine it would sound like a dream with the db4. Tried it out on a bigger system Monday evening (not sure on the specifics but mid-sized lounge sized system). XLR to amp to system. Thumped but it wasnt a high-grade system (just bigger than my home setup) so you wouldnt tell the difference between a djm + db4 I dont believe.
Danae Dumler
10.11.2011
Originally Posted by mix architekt
the best way to get to the xfader is through the back. loosen the screws which hold the fader on top first, then flip the mixer over and remove the 8 screws on the back panel. you can reach in a take it out from there.
Ahhh thanks for the info -- I don't believe I ever would have figured this out on my own. I would have taken all the screws off the front and every damn fader cap and knob before giving up in frustration heheh....
Cristobal Madhavan
10.11.2011
Originally Posted by djproben
OK so it's here. And it works. I've been playing with it for a few hours now, all vinyl; haven't even plugged in the computer yet. The effects are mad. The BPM detector is spot on. And the looper is really nice. Gonna have to see how much I miss TSP certification. Otherwise this mixer is absolutely sick. Loving it!

If I keep it though I'm definitely going to want to swap the crossfader for an innofader. The fader is actually not terrible for scratching but it's not as nice as what I'm used to. Is there a guide anywhere to taking this thing apart? It's not obvious like the four screws on the denon mixer fader plate. There are screws on the top and sides of the mixer in a few different places. I believe A+H said replacing the fader with an innofader was a pretty straightforward mod but I'd be far more comfortable knowing someone else has done it before successfully.

One minor niggle; the silver foil over the effects buttons comes off after a few presses. Not all over, but the points on the Ms and stuff are gone. Really minor cosmetic thing but for the price of these you'd believe they'd get something like that right.

congrats man. all I know is I hope changing the fader is less involved than the 4D. I almost had a hemorrhage trying to FIND one to replace it with, let alone disassemble the entire thing. I couldn
Brant Briski
10.11.2011
the best way to get to the xfader is through the back. loosen the screws which hold the fader on top first, then flip the mixer over and remove the 8 screws on the back panel. you can reach in a take it out from there.

starting tomorrow andy rigby jones and i will be touring asia; we have workshops planed in singapore and tokyo with the DB2, DB4, and K2's; as well as club gigs in seoul, beijing, and singapore. if anyone is in the region and want to attend, just get in touch via email.
Danae Dumler
10.11.2011
OK so it's here. And it works. I've been playing with it for a few hours now, all vinyl; haven't even plugged in the computer yet. The effects are mad. The BPM detector is spot on. And the looper is really nice. Gonna have to see how much I miss TSP certification. Otherwise this mixer is absolutely sick. Loving it!

If I keep it though I'm definitely going to want to swap the crossfader for an innofader. The fader is actually not terrible for scratching but it's not as nice as what I'm used to. Is there a guide anywhere to taking this thing apart? It's not obvious like the four screws on the denon mixer fader plate. There are screws on the top and sides of the mixer in a few different places. I believe A+H said replacing the fader with an innofader was a pretty straightforward mod but I'd be far more comfortable knowing someone else has done it before successfully.

One minor niggle; the silver foil over the effects buttons comes off after a few presses. Not all over, but the points on the Ms and stuff are gone. Really minor cosmetic thing but for the price of these you'd believe they'd get something like that right.
Danae Dumler
07.11.2011
Originally Posted by M.Beijer
Right now im using a 800 mixer. It's ok but with my D/A converter from Cambridge audio (name, dacmagic) for like 300 euro I get way better quality of sound on my system. (might be cuz im using better audiocable from my converter than on my mixer).
Pretty sure the D/A converter will make a bigger difference than the cables, unless one of the cables sucks or is broken.
Mimi Mahaffee
08.11.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
by the way - i have to say that the db4 has an AMAZING bpm detection algorithm in use.

At the moment - i have the djm 900 and the db4 sitting side-by-side and im doing comparisons (as I mentioned the bpm problem on the djm900 and the lack of pioneer to recognize my problem finalized my move to the db4). Im sending vids to pioneer to see if they will actually do anything about it or whether they'll just keep not responding to me.

Wont have both mixers for much longer so if anybody is curious about any comparisons, let me know and ill try to do it. My buddy is going to buy the djm900 in a week or two when he gets some cash so I got a little while with them both.

The sound difference is VERY VERY noticeable - the db4 has some special sauce when it comes to sound warmth. Usually, I dont notice big sound differences like some folks who notice differences in 256 vs 192 mp3s, etc etc. But Im using the exact same tracks and there is a HUGE difference. You can hear things going on in a track when played on the db4 that you cant hear on a pioneer. Its kind of crazy..
Hey there,

How do you connect the mixers to your system?
and what system are you using?
(brand? Active speakers? amplifier + passive speakers? what cables?).
I'm sort of new to the market and ofcourse i've heard of the "way supreme" soundquality of xone mixers. This is a important factor for me.. I do have a quite exclusive hi-fi system and care alot of the soundquality. Right now im using a 800 mixer. It's ok but with my D/A converter from Cambridge audio (name, dacmagic) for like 300 euro I get way better quality of sound on my system. (might be cuz im using better audiocable from my converter than on my mixer).
Ella Rick
07.11.2011
There seems to be a big problem with some of the db4 units,
What's happening A&H... Come on!

I was going to buy one but I'm gonna hold off for a while now,
I'll stick with my Xone 92 for the time being.

And I hope there is not going to be a problem with the k2 and db2 when they are released, if that happens it could seriously damaged their rep.
Danae Dumler
06.11.2011
Originally Posted by kevz718
Was it somebody on this board who had a power problem with the db4 where it wouldnt turn on at all?

If so, I stumbled on something that basically causes that condition (not sure if that was his problem or not).

Like a dope, I wasnt looking and plugged stuck usb cable tip into xlink/ethernet jack in back. I went to power on and it didnt power on at all. As soon as I removed the usb cable tip from xlink/ethernet jack, it powered on fine. I was certainly panicked for a second there..
Definitely wasn't the issue. I hadn't even plugged any USB or anything else into the unit; just the power cord.
Cliff Lohman
06.11.2011
Was it somebody on this board who had a power problem with the db4 where it wouldnt turn on at all?

If so, I stumbled on something that basically causes that condition (not sure if that was his problem or not).

Like a dope, I wasnt looking and plugged stuck usb cable tip into xlink/ethernet jack in back. I went to power on and it didnt power on at all. As soon as I removed the usb cable tip from xlink/ethernet jack, it powered on fine. I was certainly panicked for a second there..

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