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OT: London Riots
Posted on: 08.08.2011 by Hipolito Scionti
The city has gone mental. Hope everyone is ok

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248
Maisie Marras
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by dj stifffy
Arent you only young yourself??
yes, but i still remember these things very well
Estefana Musfeldt
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by JonathanBlake
Your perspective is from the 'front line' so to speak, so I see it as a reality check rather than scaremongering. The common denminator in all the 'learned' opinions on the main cause(s) of the riots is that no-one REALLY knows. The foundations of all those ivory towers are starting to look a little shaky. Stay safe Herb.
I'm far enough north not to be effected. Although the north east has some of the most deprived area's in the country.............you will NOT see riots/looting here,
we are used to be let down by the government, throughout history, industry has been dead here for over a decade.
Lin Danek
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by sarasin
So......anyone get any good gear outta the looting?

Come on!.....fess up!
I wonder what Ralph Lawson (2020 Vision), Ben Watt (Buzzin' Fly) or Keith Reilly (Fabric) etc. would feel about that?
Lin Danek
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by HerbStrike
I know, Im sorry about being a daily mail scaremonger about this.......but its just my opinion,
you have to factor in a lot of things when you believe about an event like this.
Its a cost that our country just cannot afford to deal with right now :eek:
Your perspective is from the 'front line' so to speak, so I see it as a reality check rather than scaremongering. The common denominator in all the 'learned' opinions on the main cause(s) of the riots is that no-one REALLY knows. The foundations of all those ivory towers are starting to look a little shaky. Stay safe Herb.
Estefana Musfeldt
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by sarasin
So......anyone get any good gear outta the looting?

Come on!.....fess up!
I took a penny sweet from the local shop "that's my part in the looting done " i said to the shopkeep he just laughed and gave me a couple of free tabs
Estefana Musfeldt
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by JonathanBlake
A chilling perspective Herb.
I know, Im sorry about being a daily mail scaremonger about this.......but its just my opinion,
you have to factor in a lot of things when you believe about an event like this.
Its a cost that our country just cannot afford to deal with right now :eek:
Lilliana Perris
10.08.2011		So......anyone get any good gear outta the looting?

Come on!.....fess up!
Loralee Erban
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by theory28
kids these days stealing TVs by them selves

why, back in my day we had to get 5 people to carry one of the big screen monsters.
Arent you only young yourself??
Lin Danek
10.08.2011
A chilling perspective Herb.
Estefana Musfeldt
09.08.2011		They may be taking advantage, but i believe this is anger that has boiled over on the streets of some of the most deprived area's for the last ten year's, nick clegg predicted this back in April, this might as well be a carbon copy of the 80's, a mixture of anger and criminality did drive those riots as well, granted the ratio would have been a reverse of what is happening this week.

But there will be people out there who have worked hard at school/college with the promise of scholarship or help with uni fee's taken away from them, and apprenticeships few and far between, dole and housing benefit cut or taken away entirely, living on the streets of London after having the hopes of coming here for a better life shattered.

It is a Total disgrace but there should be better procedures for the police to deal with this kind of violence, better support and senior officers on the ground helping the Pc's to quell these public order offense's.

Then there is the cost of all this, we will be bankrupt within 6 months the amount it will cost to prosecute all of the looters/rioters "all of the cells in London are full" a quote from the met, how can they cope with this after cuts they have had over the last year.

Stop the world i wanna get off!

if you really believe about all this and it's backlash,I have an overwhelming feeling of dread looming over Britain that i have never felt before, my thoughts go out to everyone effected.

There is no quick solution to this. it's now part of our history and that makes me weep for humanity
Hang Postman
09.08.2011		And Look at this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011...k-london-riots

Its affect the music industry also, some good labels on their
Tatum Ansaldo
09.08.2011		So... it looks like Iran want to get involved. But have no fucking clue what's going on, or a twisted way of seeing it.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193030.html

And the dude's hair looks like it was badly photoshopped on afterwards.

Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast urged the British government to order the police to stop their violent confrontation with the people, IRNA reported in the early hours of Tuesday.

Mehmanparast asked the British government to start dialogue with the protesters and to listen to their demands in order to calm the situation down.
Anyone hear any demands from the guys ransacking currys digital in hackney? Any calls for appeasement? No? Didn't believe so.
Maisie Marras
09.08.2011		kids these days stealing TVs by them selves

why, back in my day we had to get 5 people to carry one of the big screen monsters.
Lacey Mecum
09.08.2011		Fingers crossed i believe we have had the peak and should start to come back down to reality. I know theres heat of the moment but theres also this thing called a brain!

Must calm down making me shake my fists like an old man *mumbles and grrrr's*

09.08.2011		looting combined with stupid random destruction is truly a disgrace... as for the sheer rioting, well I guess you reap what you sow - the UK government has been fucking with the population for way too long. it's just very disappointing that people chose to abandon peaceful disobedience for the sake of violence
Tatum Ansaldo
09.08.2011		I guess you see people running around, stealing jewellery and TVs and not being stopped by the police then you'd be tempted to join in. I don't believe they're believeing far enough into the future to realise they're committing serious crimes and are likely to be caught.
Lacey Mecum
09.08.2011		Yea just saw that, i dont understand the mentality of kids theses days im only 24 ok i settled down early with a family etc but wtf are parents doing or not doing :/ the vast majority of these "looters" are like 13 - 19 years old, ok as a kid you get into some trouble and maybe drink underage or whatever but what posses them to believe its a good idea and not realise they will be caught :/
Tatum Ansaldo
09.08.2011		The manager of the Manchester Bang & Olufsen store was just on BBC news, apparently they have NO stock left, it's all either gone or smashed. That is gna be one hefty insurance claim.

My vote for the next edition of Call of Duty: Replace zombie mode with looter massacre mode.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
09.08.2011		They just burnt out the store that my girlfriend worked at when she was younger.
Stay Safe Tonite Manchester .
Kristopher Salta
09.08.2011		Great. Now the prisons are full! I believe that they should use water cannons with an identifying UV dye or something, that doesn't wash off. In following weeks police should go round scanning people and arrest those who were sprayed. Also, bring on those rubber bullets!
Paulette Stolhand
09.08.2011		sounds like how Liverpool is anyway....
Kassandra Guthmiller
09.08.2011		In Liverpool, Bold Street has been locked down, shops have closed and restaurants have now been boarded up
Paulette Stolhand
09.08.2011		kickin off in Manchester now, apparently quite badly, no travel in or out of city centre allowed now.
Matt Kane
10.08.2011		having my best buddy eric in my prayers toevening ! he
Tatum Ansaldo
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by farhanashraf
revolution is here to stay
What a bullshit statement. A guy was shot dead in london last evening by rioters. This isn't some noble people's uprising, it's people stealing and breaking things because they can.
Tatum Ansaldo
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by Dejavoo
My mate just had a fwd'ed message from facebook of a copy of a BBM message saying toevening in Watford High Street 8pm, that's my home town :/ other people getting sent home now from business up road! only live like 2 mins down road :s and apparently already mass police presence in the big park near by on standby!
Shit, that's not far from me. My brother's on duty toevening in St Albans, dno if anything is gna happen there but I'm a bit worried.

Good luck mate, hope it all comes to nothing.
Maisie Marras
10.08.2011
Originally Posted by Dejavoo
My mate just had a fwd'ed message from facebook of a copy of a BBM message saying toevening in Watford High Street 8pm, that's my home town :/ other people getting sent home now from business up road! only live like 2 mins down road :s and apparently already mass police presence in the big park near by on standby!
be safe man.
Ninfa Larranaga
10.08.2011		revolution is here to stay
Neville Blackinton
09.08.2011		This is just hitting the web and making the rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o
Lacey Mecum
09.08.2011		My mate just had a fwd'ed message from facebook of a copy of a BBM message saying toevening in Watford High Street 8pm, that's my home town :/ other people getting sent home now from business up road! only live like 2 mins down road :s and apparently already mass police presence in the big park near by on standby!
Roselee Jasnoch
09.08.2011		I don't believe people really seem to have an excuse. I know there isn't allot of love for the goverment at the moment, and I know there is allot of unemployment (got a scary amount of friends on the dole at the moment), but I believe people are just using what happened as an excuse to go around looting.
Doug Bieling
09.08.2011
Originally Posted by alexfells
Ah sorry if what I wrote was wrong, was just repeating what I saw on the news.
ney worries mukka! just thought it best that people weren't believeing some random guy had just been shot for no reason, as people seem to be using any excuse to riot at the mo hahaha
Roselee Jasnoch
09.08.2011		Ah sorry if what I wrote was wrong, was just repeating what I saw on the news.
EDIT: (Did see it on news asia, sometimes the information is a little off).
Kassandra Guthmiller
09.08.2011
Originally Posted by DJ Nada
You guys have guns in the UK?! I thought it was just us redneck yankees.

But seriously, that's really sad that they shot someone that didn't do anything. Hope his family gets some kind of settlement.
He was a known gangster apparently, and police had put him on the watch list because his cousin was murdered a few weeks beforehand and they thought he might seek revenge.

The police initially said that they shot him because he shot at police, but the bullet that hit the police officer was allegedly found to be a police issue round.

So who knows
Doug Bieling
09.08.2011
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
No one's exactly sure what happened at that shooting yet. A police officer was injured and Mark Duggan was killed, some guns were fired somewhere in the process. It's not clear who shot who, how and when.

But as Bradcee said, it's irrelevant now. It's just rioting for the sake of it.
I know yeah, but its pretty clear that some random innocent taxi driver hasn't been shot for no reason.
Tatum Ansaldo
09.08.2011
Originally Posted by theory28
do you guys have the equivalent of a swat team?

in that vieo it looked like having a few more guys in line and some pepper spray would have helped deter them
Our police have some badassmotherfucker teams, but when the violence is this widespread (just look at that google maps link above), they're just spread too thin. My brother is a police special constable and I can tell you I'm fucking glad there's no violence in our county.
Maisie Marras
09.08.2011		do you guys have the equivalent of a swat team?

in that vieo it looked like having a few more guys in line and some pepper spray would have helped deter them
Tatum Ansaldo
09.08.2011		No one's exactly sure what happened at that shooting yet. A police officer was injured and Mark Duggan was killed, some guns were fired somewhere in the process. It's not clear who shot who, how and when.

But as Bradcee said, it's irrelevant now. It's just rioting for the sake of it.
Evelia Mcgaffin
09.08.2011		Yeah, what a mess they've got there...

A movie I highly recommend watching, Harry Brown, deals with the really fucked up underground crime in London.
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Doug Bieling
09.08.2011
Originally Posted by BradCee
tbh I believe the actual details of the original event that 'sparked' this are irrelevant now. The rioting has become a stand alone problem with a weak excuse...
I know, but i felt i had to correct the comments made earlier which were basically stating an innocent taxi driver had been shot dead for no reason. Thats the kind of shit that gives these dick heads on the street reason (they believe) to go and smash shit up.

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