S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 4.4 Beta]
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S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 4.4 Beta] Posted on: 16.01.2012 by Rey Holubar Hi everyone,As promised, here is the next release of my (well our) mapping. I say "our", because I was so brash and have taken modes 5-7 from Alinements "rework" of the mapping and have used them to some degree to fill in the empty modes 5-7. Thanks goes to Alinement for coming up with the additional modes. Because this mapping has so many changes and I've not tested it as much as I'd like to, I am calling it a beta. So use at your own risk in a performance. If you are new to this mapping, there is a manual in the download zip file explaining how to use it. Also please read up in these threads, if you want to know how the mapping evolved. http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=39910 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=40818 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=43115 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=43743 What's new in this mapping? 1. The filter is taken out of mode 4. 2. The T-3 delay has been replaced with just the delay effect in modes 1 and 2. (I am still not sure just the delay is right for mode 1.) 3. Added Alinement's modes 5-7. Here is how he explains them.
Mode 5 - I have added the Flangerflux/FilterPulse/Reverb from Ean's map (Chained FX mode 3). but I have replaced the reverb in the chained effects with a delay T3 that is activated only by FX Button 3 (as its best added in after the original effect takes shape). The Reverb from the original has been placed into the Advanced effect slot in Unit 3 (or 4) and is controlled by the Jog Wheel (along with the Flangerflux and Filterpulse)
Mode 6 - I have added the Beatmasher/LoFi/Filter92LFO (also from DJTT S4 mapping chained FX mode 1) Mode 7 - I have made this control just to control the Advanced effect slot in Unit 3 (or 4) for the BeatSlicer as to the exact specifications of Eans Mapping in DJTT Advanced FX Mode 1. So, that is it. Enjoy and have fun. Any feedback on issues or suggestions is very welcome! scamo Copyright and Usage Anyone can use this mapping free of charge for their own personal or professional use. It MAY NOT be uploaded to any other web site for download or passed on to third parties in its original or modified form without my authorization. | |
| Rey Holubar 23.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by viszla
Wow, you did a 4 hour gig with the mapping? That is really nice to hear. Looping with mode 1 not working. I added a cue-in in this mode (which is the reason a loop will stop), because I wanted to be able to beatmash then come back to where I started to beatmash and basically re-enter the song near or at where I started to beatmash. I had actually mapped different methods to accomplish the same thing. I tried to start and stay in a loop. That was really hard to get the timing right and get back out of the loop and it sound right. I also tried to just stop the track and restart it when I was finished with beatmashing and said to myself, that sort of works, but what if I don't want to stop the track, which happens often too? The cue-in was the best way to do what I wanted. The cue-in is only one command in the mapping. If you don't like it. Take it out. But if you time cueing back to the start right (it does take some timing), then adding the beatmashing effect is more fluid in a lot of situations. Someone mentioned the cue-in (using a different command) could possibly and not kill a running loop. I haven't found it yet. But to be honest, I haven't looked really hard at all. I'll look into the lo-fi effect for the next major version (when and if I can get the jog working for selecting the modes and I can add another additional 6 or 7 modes.) As for your discipline issue. Just remember to press shift with the load button too. scamo |
| Aletha Dukelow 23.01.2012 | hey scamo this is the best dam thing to happen to the s4!! i love it, I cant wait till 4.4.1 |
| Randell Juna 23.01.2012 | tnx scamo! one more thing (for now ) why is not posssible to use loop in 1st mode? is it to complicated to map in that way or just your decision? after 4 hours gig the only thing I really missing in your mapping is simple but veeeery nice and effective digital lo-fi + filter combo like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2_otKgWZg (cca 1:05) I miss that combo and my own discipline to NOT press load for loading songs regards and thank you again for your hard work! |
| Rey Holubar 23.01.2012 | Hey viszla, I took the filter out of the mapping, because the filter really didn't help the effect much, but I forgot to remove the same in the manual. Darn it. Good catch. Nice to see you all are reading the manual. I'll fix that mistake for the next release. To everyone. Sorry, but I didn't have any time to dig into the mapping and fix what has been found so far. Maybe I'll get some time during the week. I just can't promise anything. scamo |
| Randell Juna 22.01.2012 | scamo in manual (page 7) you are talking about filter in 4th mode (riffer), but I can't control any filter in that mode. only gater, beatmasher and T3 reverb in FX slots 1 (for deck A) and 2 (for deck B)? I see delay in slots 3 & 4 but I can't control it. (and I believe that riffer does not load delay - because delay is there from previous mode) any ideas? tnx! |
| Erin Olcott 22.01.2012 | Hi guys, Im newbie doing this kind of hard job Im trying to work on my own mapping, but i can't get a nice result. Would you like to share with us how to get done the part where you first shift+"x"button and then use the jog wheel to active and get work the effects using the jog wheel? That will be awesome!!!! I took a look on internet, how to do this, but i didn't get work properly the jog wheel. I will really appreciate any help. Thnx in advanced. Cheers |
| Randell Juna 22.01.2012 | great, great, great mapping! I just wanna say ty scamo & ty alinement for your contribution! fantastic work guys! I'm delighted! |
| Margery Meath 21.01.2012 | Alinement, Just done another gig, 6 hours which is a bit over the top but better venue with an awesome sound system and so I really got to use the jog effects to their full potential. I did have a bit of an issue. The Gatorator was more of a Beatorator as for some reason when opening Trakor it had swapped the gator for the beatmasher for that effect. Not a problem with the mapping (I don't believe), I have had some ridiculous weirdness with Traktor for a while now and I'm surprised that was the only thing that was slightly strange. Anyway, both gator effects and the sweep drama are really easy to use and suited the deeper to tech to straight up house from toevening . The flapulator as well, especially with darker, more bassey tunes. The beatmasher effects, for me anyway, are better suited to more tech/tecno beats and that was not really any avenue I was able to go down toevening , I will on Sunday though and will feed back then. I did discover by accident that replacing the beatmasher with the gator on any of the effects was a pretty successful error. Check it out. My overall experience is that the whole mapping adds a ridiculously good aspect to the S4 user experience. I will not be going back from here, well done guys. |
| Jared Foye 21.01.2012 | awesome Macklefinch, which effects did you find worked the best in a live environment? |
| Margery Meath 20.01.2012 | Scamo, played a gig last evening and not one single problem, not the most technical feedback but thought I'd let you not. 4 and half hours and everything ran completely smoothly. |
| Margery Meath 20.01.2012 | Thanks. I'll get on it when I have the time.
Originally Posted by Alinement
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| Josefina Schutten 20.01.2012 | damn you're a genius i will try it, maybe make a nice keyboard mapping in order to create combination with the pc-keyboard that no one uses for the default functions keep it up!!!! |
| Rey Holubar 19.01.2012 | Oh, I have some ideas. scamo |
| Gigi Weese 19.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
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| Rey Holubar 19.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by defmd
I was believeing, when the FX On button is on (if it isn't always on, have to check), means you are in layer 2 and the indicators would work normally as in layer 1 (where the FX On button is off). Your idea about using the jog to cycle through the effects modes is also a good idea, I am just not sure it is possible in my mapping, yet. But with 14 modes, that would definitely be a better alternative to pressing buttons. scamo |
| Jared Foye 18.01.2012 | Hey Macklefinch, if you have an X1 I have mapped Army Of Me's effects that you speak of to the Midi mode for that, check it out here. http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=44945 It has all the effects settings listed with names so you can duplicate and add them in to your own S4 mapping using Scamo's it just must take time, but then again, it took Scamo (and myself) a lot more time to get them up and running in the first place. I love your idea of using more modifiers Scamo, it will take a lot of practice to be able to scroll through them at the speed of whence you need them though. Any word on making them work with another deck though? Cheers Alinement |
| Gigi Weese 18.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
I was believeing of your fx modes as well and was going to implement the lights like this: 1 = 1 2= 2 3 =3 4= FX Unit 5= FX Unit + 1 6= FX Unit + 2 7= FX Unit + 3 8= FX Unit + 1 +3 9=FX Unit + 2 + 3 10=FX Unit 1 + 2 + 3 I didn't believe I was going to be using more then 10 FX modes and it is easy to remember that the FX represents 4 :-) |
| Margery Meath 18.01.2012 | Scamo, if you have the time and the inclination, you have my total support in mapping in another modifier. Ha, bet it feels good to have my support.. |
| Roseanne Torstenson 18.01.2012 | I just started playing with this mapping and like it a lot more than the djtt mapping. Keep up the good work guys! |
| Rey Holubar 18.01.2012 | Well, unfortunately, I won't be getting to any heavy duty changes for a couple of weeks. I am going to fix the couple of bugs in 4.4 on the weekend and release 4.4.1. This is just an idea I have and I am going to throw it at you all. Since I have two modifiers still free, I believe I could add another 7 effects modes. To switch between them you'd press something like "Shift + FX On" (I'll have to see if nothing happens when you press that combination). But if it works, then you'll be in layer 2 and would have another 7 combos, so 14 in total. I'm believeing the FX on button (if it isn't already lit), could indicate you are in layer 2. What do you believe? scamo |
| Margery Meath 18.01.2012 | Scamo, Am I pushing my luck if I ask if you fancy having two versions of the overall mapping, one as it is an other other incorporating AoM's delay, beatmasher to stopped vinyl and the timestretch effect as in her S2 midi mapping? When you have time of course.. |
| Rey Holubar 18.01.2012 | Hi everyone. This is not a midi mapping. It is using the built-in "Load button to turn on FX Jogs" setting in the S4 section of the preferences. So basically, with one press of the Load button, you are in the jog effects mode. With one press of the Load button again, you are back to scratch mode (the normal mode). You don't loose ANY, S4 functionality except the capability to load a song to deck A or B with the Load button. I have also fixed this by remapping Shift+Load to load a song. @Alinement - Yes, I reordered the effects as defmd had asked, so the MF shouldn't have any issues now (I hope). scamo |
| Josefina Schutten 18.01.2012 | ehi scamo, is it a midi map? if yes you would be my hero XD |
| Dj Tykarma 18.01.2012 | Hi Alinement, thanks for your reply. The loop display and jump was a big loss on DJTTs mapping... I hope this one keeps it. I'm a long time user of the VCI-100 Special Edition since version 1 of EANs mapping as well as other custom mappings and mixers, I'm getting quite paranoid with the bugs in these custom mappings. Having been in very stressful situations during gigs with some buggy mappings making my controller temporarily unusable. I would like to be able to exit the mapping quickly in case I encounter a bug. I'll give this one a test though. |
| Jared Foye 18.01.2012 | The great thing about Scamo's mapping is it works in Native mode (ie not Midi), so the Jog Wheels are High Res. Follow the instructions and it will work without taking away the things that the DJTT mapping took away. Cheers Alinement |
| Dj Tykarma 18.01.2012 | Hi Scamo, That looks interesting, haven't tried yet though. Is it for MIDI mode ? Will I be able to switch between this mapping and the default S4 mapping by enabling/disabling midi-mode ? I was quite disappointed of the DJTT S4 mapping when I realized I'd have to go to the preferences and even maybe restart Traktor in order to switch between their mapping and the default one... Have you made or have any plans to make a video to show us the features ? Thanks. |
| Jared Foye 18.01.2012 | Hey Scamo, apologies for the slackness of my replies, this has been a really stressful week trying to deal with a long distance relationship. I appreciate you filling in the blanks with my ideas. Have you changed the effects settings around to suit the Midi Fighter as was suggested in the previous posting? Im going to post my one again in my previous post with the Big Import button to be used instead, to see if that clarifies anything. I want to know that when I load things in here people can use them as I do. Ill redirect the post back to this thread though. Cheers Alinement |
| Lucia Boemer 17.01.2012 | Awesome mapping guys, Thanks sooo much. When I hook up my Midi-Fighter classic, the "Play" button on the S-4 becomes disabled??? Is it in the mapping or am I doing something wrong?.... Thanks Scott |
| Gigi Weese 16.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
e.g at 0.44 and 1:16 |
| Rey Holubar 17.01.2012 | Yeah, I liked the T3 better too for mode 1. Maybe I can play with the Wet/Dry settings to make it a bit less "voluminous". hehe.... Echo freeze issue and reverb on right load button I'll fix and make a new release. Sorry about that. Funny I missed that. Thanks for the feedback. Peakfilter. Well. The idea is it shouldn't mess much with the beat masher for most of the beatmasher movement and it is more like a swoosh in the other direction. So the idea is, you can beatmash like crazy and when you are ready to stop and hit the break you turn the jog one or two rotations fairly fast to the left. That makes a swoosh like transition through the break. That is how I am using it. Or you can catch a pretty neat 4 beat and turn the jog quickly to the left, cut in the new song and slowly turn the jog to the left until the peak filter is finished to transition that song out. That is another possible way to use the effects. And since it is "Ean's Beatmasher" I'd like to keep it as he created it. Hope you don't mind. scamo |
| Gigi Weese 16.01.2012 | My initial findings, Some minor errors: * Echo freeze is not working as mentioned. Reason is that it does not turn on FX Unit 3. * Right Load button loads the Reverb instead of Delay into FX Unit 4 In general I believe the T3 delay sounded better with M1, the overall volume is the only problem. Still feel that there should be more movement on the peakfilter, if you spin back on the jogwheeel and spin forward againto bring the effect back in the beatmasher is already in stuttermode before the Peakfilter is even at 25%, just feels inbalanced. I can easily adjust this to my own taste so it is not a real problem for me. The echo freeze sounds better with the standard delay so I would map that to the Dry Wet buttons. I only spend half an hour with it so I might find more when I have some more time. |
| Mel Menger 16.01.2012 | I cant seem to get teh echo freeze to work correctly. Can you go more in depth of how you create the echo freeze on this mapping? thanks! |
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