S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 4.4 Beta]
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S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 4.4 Beta] Posted on: 16.01.2012 by Rey Holubar Hi everyone,As promised, here is the next release of my (well our) mapping. I say "our", because I was so brash and have taken modes 5-7 from Alinements "rework" of the mapping and have used them to some degree to fill in the empty modes 5-7. Thanks goes to Alinement for coming up with the additional modes. Because this mapping has so many changes and I've not tested it as much as I'd like to, I am calling it a beta. So use at your own risk in a performance. If you are new to this mapping, there is a manual in the download zip file explaining how to use it. Also please read up in these threads, if you want to know how the mapping evolved. http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=39910 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=40818 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=43115 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=43743 What's new in this mapping? 1. The filter is taken out of mode 4. 2. The T-3 delay has been replaced with just the delay effect in modes 1 and 2. (I am still not sure just the delay is right for mode 1.) 3. Added Alinement's modes 5-7. Here is how he explains them.
Mode 5 - I have added the Flangerflux/FilterPulse/Reverb from Ean's map (Chained FX mode 3). but I have replaced the reverb in the chained effects with a delay T3 that is activated only by FX Button 3 (as its best added in after the original effect takes shape). The Reverb from the original has been placed into the Advanced effect slot in Unit 3 (or 4) and is controlled by the Jog Wheel (along with the Flangerflux and Filterpulse)
Mode 6 - I have added the Beatmasher/LoFi/Filter92LFO (also from DJTT S4 mapping chained FX mode 1) Mode 7 - I have made this control just to control the Advanced effect slot in Unit 3 (or 4) for the BeatSlicer as to the exact specifications of Eans Mapping in DJTT Advanced FX Mode 1. So, that is it. Enjoy and have fun. Any feedback on issues or suggestions is very welcome! scamo Copyright and Usage Anyone can use this mapping free of charge for their own personal or professional use. It MAY NOT be uploaded to any other web site for download or passed on to third parties in its original or modified form without my authorization. | |
| Monty Strauder 06.02.2012 | Hey Scamo... i tried i litte bit with the gain encoders... to neutralize the encoder for deck C i insert a Control- Gain, Mode relative mapped on C.Gain(the encoder knob) - Assignment -> Deck C , Rotary Sensivitiy 25%, Rotation Acceleration 0% - Inverted switched on.... so u can turn the knob without an effect... M=0, M=1 is normal now... now we can use this to map gain c on the a knob with shift and we habe 1 knob with 1 or 2 shift funktions ... is this okay ? |
| Rey Holubar 06.02.2012 | I haven't yet found out a way to keep the gain settings in deck C and D where they are, when using the gain encoder with shift. I can reset the values or set them to a certain value, but I can't keep the previous value, which sucks. It is a typical S4 mapping issue, when layering a custom mapping over the default mapping. You simply can't properly override what the default mapping is doing in all cases. So I am not sure I will be able to make people who need constant gain control on Decks C and D happy. I'll keep looking for a way to use the gain encoder as properly as possible by keeping the previous set value, but for now, it isn't looking to good. Sorry. scamo |
| Monty Strauder 07.02.2012 | Hey guys... I believe this things with the Gain Encoder is a great idea, but i hope the Gain encoder still works on the decks... this would be no-go reason for me to use this mapping, because i also play analog Vinyls and not every track the AutoGain works pretty well. So if this works ... u can also use gain A and Gain B ? What about a shift mapping on... shift + Gain deck A -> Gain deck C ? ... mh ... so my FX wish is simple ... Wet Dry 0 - 100 / ICE 0-100 / Delay 0-100 / inverted Reverb 100-0 - all with the same accuracy. I play Techno / House... so in the past if u used this effect, everybody who is drunk goes crazy ;D maybe a Delay freeze or Reverb freeze on the other effect unit. I will test somethings today... Greetz Mert ... and another Thanks to scamo & Alinement |
| Randell Juna 06.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by scamo
IMHO it will be better to use just gain encoder to change the modes and gain+shift for gain, but I'll be happy either way! ty again for your hard work |
| Rey Holubar 06.02.2012 | I believe, if you get messed up with mappings and things start to get weird, the best thing to do is delete the mappings except the default and restart Traktor. I was playing with the S4 DJTT mapping yesterday and I got into a bug where the play button didn't work anymore. Don't ask me how I got it to happen, but it was with effect group 3. I could load tracks, scratch, change in and out of the effects modes, but the track in Deck A just wouldn't play. I thought to myself, "Oh my god. If this would happen in a performance....!:eek:" Edit/ Oh, and the only way I could get rid of it was to restart Traktor with the default mapping. scamo |
| Roosevelt Leanos 05.02.2012 | ok, well. It was working great for me on Friday! Adjusted preferences and all. Saturday evening I setup for my gig and I get this weird thing where when I press Sync on the decks the pitch drops down half way, not sure what the percentage was and I couldn't adjust pitch with the fader. The effects wouldn't light up when pressing the Load switches either. The switches themselves wouldn't light up that is. The clock wouldn't let me set a deck as Master. The only way was to go into the Metronome and undo it's auto stuff. Then I could manually assign a deck as master. This would be cumbersome throughout the evening though. So I go back and load in my default mappings, that I saved before. All good. So I believe in a panic, I'll just re-import the tsi file for Scamo. What I did though was re-import the DJTT tsi file a couple times instead. ugh, once I realized this I stopped doing that, deleted the mapping in Traktor then tried it again with the Scamo tsi file. I did some macbook restarts in all this too. Nothing worked, I went back to my default user tsi I had saved. Did the show, bummed though I was looking forward to using this. Today I started up, deleted all the DJTT tsi's from my HD, re-imported Scamo's twice and it's all good. Did some Permission Repairs and restarts. I don't know what happened. I did do a permissions repair I believe between Friday and Saturday evening , maybe that was it? I might have stopped it halfway through at some point. I don't know if my preference and browser window adjustments had anything to do with this. thoughts? |
| Rey Holubar 05.02.2012 | Hey everyone, I found some time today to play with the mapping. It was more like a bout of experimentation, as I wanted to find out if I could get the jogs to change the modes like in the DJTT FX jogs mapping. I took about 3 hours playing with the DJTT S4 mapping and trying different ways to get the modes to switch with the jog wheel and do more than just 3 modes. After all that playing around, I've come to the conclusion, it aint going to work like I want it too. But, I did find an alternative. I am going to use the C and D deck gain encoders with shift. I've gotten a set-up going where I can scroll through the modifiers and also switch between modifiers 1 and 3 for Deck A and 2 and 4 for Deck B. The only issue I have, which I haven't figured out yet, is the fact I can't get modifier 1 (and 2) to stop at 1. It goes to 0, which means it will screw up the mapping. Once I figure out how to stop mod 1 from going to 0, then I'll build it into the mapping and we'll have 14 effect modes.:eek: Time for some more ideas for effect groupings. I hope I can find some more time the next few days to continue. scamo |
| Jared Foye 04.02.2012 | Thanks for all your hard work with the replies Scamo, about that Reverb in 5, its not a big deal, I just found it easier having that way for me but as a chained effect works as well, but I found not as well as advanced, it works alright for me without the issues you mention. When I start it up, I like to run the effects grouping once to loosen them up so to speak, and when I have an inkling of an issue I use your reset, for those that dont know, its the Shift and Offset (I end up tapping it a few times to make sure). It does work with Midifighter and the X1 and I have ALOT of different effects grouping and it hasnt been an issue. That being said I still have issues only with Deck 3 being a track deck, but with the resets its not a big deal. Looking forward to whats next though Ill try to have a look at what I can help with too. Alinement |
| Rey Holubar 04.02.2012 | Hi John, Thanks for the compliment. These are the differences to Alinement's mapping. It is actually his mapping (which was actually mine before he made his changes), with these changes. (Taken from my first post in this thread) 1. The filter is taken out of mode 4. 2. The T-3 delay has been replaced with just the delay effect in modes 1 and 2. (I am still not sure just the delay is right for mode 1.) 3. One note on mode 5. I've taken out the cross-over of effect unit 3 for the moment, as it wasn't working for me properly and I was too tired yesterday evening to figure out what was going wrong. It was leaving effect unit 3 on deck B and I couldn't get it back. Only with switching through the effects again did it then work again, which isn't the best work flow in some situations. Sorry Alinement. I'll get it straight next version. About your suggestion. It's not going to be possible to change the reverb with the knob, as long as the reverb is the 3rd effect in the 1st or 2nd effect banks. The problem is, the third effect is the one that Traktor always tries to manipulate, when you turn on the Jog FX mode (and the only one). So I had to actually trick the software into getting the reverb to stay static, otherwise the jog would change the reverb, which isn't always what we need. Hope that makes sense. Sorry I can't help you with your suggestion. It is a quirk with the way the software works with the mapping. I wish NI would just take out the manipulation of the third effect or change it to the first. Then we are in business. scamo |
| Marget Vasilko 04.02.2012 | Hey Scamo, amazing mapping! I've been trolling the community s for a while, and this mapping is so awesome that it brought me out of my cave to actually post. One thing I absolutely love is the beatmash effect that drops a cue when you lauch it. Pure genius! I have one question and also believe I may have found one issue (although extremely minor). My question is this. What exactly is the difference between the 4.4 beta and Alinement's mapping? I can't figure it out for the life of me. The one thing I've noticed is that on one of your effects chains, the reverb is set differently on each deck. The last thing I have for you is this one suggestion. On the effects combos that have reverb as a nonchanging effect, it would be great to be able to use the knob to change it. You can technically do it, but if you move the jogwheel at all it resets back to it's original position (making it not easy nor ideal to add reverb with the knob). I'm not very well versed in mapping, so I don't know if this would require more modifiers or anything crazy that makes it not doable. Overall great job though. This is infinitely better than the djtt mapping and definitely the best (not to mention most stable) mapping I've tried with my s4. Thanks |
| Randell Juna 04.02.2012 | @scamo & king fader: my layout is completely different than original. zero problems! |
| Rey Holubar 04.02.2012 | @King Fader - I doub't the changes you've mentioned would affect the mapping. Try them out. If it still works. Great! Let us know about it. @Sonicsculpture - A user has reported it works with the Midi-Fighter. That is also why I've reordered my effects, so they match to the Midi-Fighter mapping. I believe you might have to go out and back into Jog FX mode to reset Traktor for my mapping to work after using the MF with effects though. That is the kind of super-advanced mapping stuff I still need to learn. Plus I need an MF to test with. scamo |
| Roosevelt Leanos 03.02.2012 | I curious as to what and how much alterations with the layout may screw up the mapping? Cause as it is now the browser is tiny, thanks for the improvement when in browse mode though. It's going to take some time to get used to switching. If I adjust columns in the browser, like moving them around and adjusting size, would that screw up stuff? What about removing the xfader and cue volumes and making the sample decks tiny? Thank you. |
| Randell Juna 03.02.2012 | @sonicsculpture: my experience with this great mapping told me that I can have additional controller, but only for sample decks, cue points etc. not for FX... |
| Elise Kruml 03.02.2012 | Ah, yes the tracks had not yet been anylized by traktor. Thank you! Can I run a mapping on my Kontrol X1 ( IG for instance ) and also run your mapping for the S4 simaltaneously? After all these years with Traktor I still know just ehough to be dangerous! |
| Rey Holubar 03.02.2012 | If the waveform is blank, it means the track hasn't been analyzed by Traktor. I turned off the automatic analyzing. To get back to default S4 mapping, you only have to delete my mapping. scamo |
| Elise Kruml 04.02.2012 | Much respect and many thanks for Scamo's work with the S4 mapping. I downloaded and installed yesterday and have love the fx combos. However, when i load a track sometimes the waveform is blank? ( the smaller waveform in the bottom of the deck ) Anyone else experiencing this issue? I am loading my tracks from browse mode on the Kontrol X1. Also, how do I get back to the settings I had in place before using Scamo's mapping? Any input would be greatly appreciated! |
| Rey Holubar 03.02.2012 | Hi Krypt7n, Try setting your effects order to the order written in this post. Not sure if it will help you, but it might. http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...8&postcount=24 scamo |
| Sophia Piecyk 03.02.2012 | May be pointing out something aforementioned, but the Gatorator always loads with a Beatmasher instead of the Gator for me. Also, in Mode 7 (Alinement's Slicer) the jog does nothing for me and all three effects (Beatmasher, LoFi and Filter) stay off unless I manually turn them on using the buttons up top. I'm not sure if that is what's supposed to happen. Overall a great mapping, best I've found so far. I'm looking forward to updates |
| Randell Juna 03.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mert
ty! |
| Akilah Washnock 03.02.2012 | Hi Guys, just spent hours on the fx and have realised that the fx will work on decks c and d when they are in track mode.However sometmes the fx are a bit more extreme in these decks.The fx will only worl in c and d if you dont have the c od deck button illuminated. ( if this has been covered before i apologise for my stupidness!). I did get effects to work on the sample decks at one stage but i cant recall how i got to that point ( too much button popping jog dialling and knob turning). This mapping is great and i can se it becoming pretty awesome as scamo does more workwhich is greatly appreciated by myself and countless others. |
| Akilah Washnock 03.02.2012 | Hi Guys, just spent hours on the fx and have realised that the fx will work on decks c and d when they are in track mode.However sometmes the fx are a bit more extreme in these decks.The fx will only worl in c and d if you dont have the c od deck button illuminated. ( if this has been covered before i apologise for my stupidness!). I did get effects to work on the sample decks at one stage but i cant recall how i got to that point ( too much button popping jog dialling and knob turning). This mapping is great and i can se it becoming pretty awesome as scamo does more workwhich is greatly appreciated by myself and coiuntless others. |
| Monty Strauder 02.02.2012 | This mapping is amazing !!! I added my best FX in mode 5 (ice, delay t3, rev inverted) and now iam totaly happy ... i spended a lot of time to add my combinations in midi mode ... because i always wanted to use the default mapping... now i founded this and ... .buuuaahhh u are the best! !!! Love it mert |
| Rey Holubar 02.02.2012 | Hehe...thanks. But to be honest. I am far from an expert. I just happen to have a knack at being patient with things, learning them and I know something about computers and programming. When I saw the Controller Manager in Traktor, it caught my attention and also seeing stuff Ean can produce with remaps, I said to myself, "Damn, that is so cool", so I've learned some stuff about mapping, but I believe I know only about 80% of it. I've also come to realize, you still need to practice quite a bit to even make cool effect groupings with nice jog control sound right in a mix and I have yet to even perform to a crowd. So, like I said, far from an expert. But thanks for the compliment anyway. (and BTW, please turn off the cap locks, when you write. That can be considered to be screaming in a community .) scamo |
| Akilah Washnock 01.02.2012 | tHANKS MATEY, STARTED ON VINYL WITH MY SON 15 YEARS AGO WENT TO CD'S DID CLUBS ETC THEN STARTED DOING WEDDING DISCOS WITH CD'S ................I KNOW DULL CITY THEN BEEN DRAGGED INTO THE TRAKTOR AGE BUT WAS GETTING LOST IN THE EFFECTS YOU HAE SAVED ME WITH THE PRE-SETS ANYHOW 47 YRS OF AGE AND GOT MY MO JO BACK. THANKS AGAIN GUYS LIKE ME NEED EXPERTS LIKE YOU. NOW I WONDER HOW MANY NEWBIE DJ'S CAN COUNT TO 32 OR EVEN WHAT THAT REFERS TO. |
| Lilla Tankesley 30.01.2012 | Something similar happened to me with the djtt mapping. But with that only the left side would work. Tried deleting and re importing many times but it would come out the same. Finally just totally deleted and re installed traktor. That worked. |
| Margery Meath 30.01.2012 | Yep. |
| Rey Holubar 30.01.2012 | Last dumb question. Do you have the latest version of Traktor installed? scamo |
| Margery Meath 29.01.2012 | Hi Scamo, Yes and yes. I believe this is just issue that's personal to me and either the S4, Traktor Pro or my laptop..thanks for checking in with your thoughts.. Matt |
| Rey Holubar 29.01.2012 | That is a strange issue to which I have no real explanation or help, just some dumb questions. You are importing with the big import button at the bottom? And you are doing it twice? Other than checking that, I have no idea how to help you. Sorry. scamo |
| Margery Meath 28.01.2012 | I get no response on any of them.. |
| Rey Holubar 28.01.2012 | Not all effect groups use all the possible effects. For instance mode 1 doesn't use the third effect. Mode 2 should though. scamo |
| Margery Meath 28.01.2012 | Quick question. When I try to use your mapping now the 3rd effect in the bank doesn't work for any of the effects combo so I'm only getting two thirds of what was there before. I have tried deleting and reimporting but same result. Any thoughts? |
| Rey Holubar 28.01.2012 | Hey viszla. Good to hear the mapping is working for you. The only way to get different mode groups or number of mode groups is to actually just (re)map them. Sorry I can't help much there. If I ever can come up with a method of using the jog to "scroll" through the modes up and down, that might help you be able to get to them faster. This is one of the things at the top of my to-do list, so keep an eye out for future versions. scamo |
| Randell Juna 28.01.2012 | another friday evening
behind me - another gig without any problems with this great mapping! (and not a single 'wrong' load button pressed ) just one idea: is it possible to make option to make my own order of FXs (modes) because and I'm using only 5 of them, not all 7? |
| Rey Holubar 24.01.2012 | @donutsdc - scamo |
| Kimberlee Bosel 24.01.2012 | Scamo, Gotta say this is great. The combo of you and Alinement has made me look very *ahem* impressive. Anyways, did a 5 hour set this past weekend and many people loved it. I had a friend come by who was very familiar with the S4 and when he saw the capabilities of this mapping plus Instant Grat on a MFC, he just sat there slackjawed. He focused intently on me the entire evening and got a bit creepy. Keep up the good work sir, you too Alinement! Looking forward to your next iterations of these mappings! |
| Rey Holubar 24.01.2012 | Great to hear Gapout. Thanks for the feedback. Looking forward to what you can come up with for effects groupings. We might just have the possibility for another 6 or 7 more. scamo |
| Sarai Suchman 24.01.2012 | Scamo awesomely wicked mapping. Last friday i did a 10 hour party/set using this mapping in conjuction with the Midi fighter mapping and it was freaking amazing. I mostly used your mapping for transitions and sweeps when im adding in new songs and then using the midi fighter mapping for rolls and litte bits here and there. I am really happy that this mapping works in conjunction with the Midi fighter. IMO this blows the DJTT mapping out of the water! GREAT mapping. I am working on setting up my own combos and will share when i have them done |
| Randell Juna 25.01.2012 | yes, cue is somehow similar to loop, I do understand you intention. anyhow, 4 hour gig (more party than gig) without problems! and btw I'm now using cue buttons as load buttons. IMHO much more elegant than shift+load option! |
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