NI kontrol M1 (member mockup)
NI kontrol M1 (member mockup) Posted on: 10.01.2011 by Demetra Pinizzotto Idea I had:2 channel mixer controller module. same size as the X1, same knobs and colours. I did a little photoshop and came up with this. comments, ideas and bumps are welcome. I will update the picture when a good idea comes in and I find some time. in the picture there are some labels on the buttons, in the real version I'd rather not have that. just to show you guys what is what. | |
| Lewis Stumpf 12.01.2011 | I'd be using maya, yeah. Wonderful thing about that program is that I can not only make a nice looking render, but also export the model to something that can be machined and manufactured Yeah, I'd do a mockup of the X1 as a start and use the size / format of that as a base. I'll get on it tomorrow. |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 12.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by safefire
ofcourse not! it's not patent pending or something. what soft ware do you use? maya/sketchup? you're using the X1 sizes as start right? |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 12.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
great idea, isn't a must, but a great addition. in both sides of the units female usb connections at the same place. then you can join them together with something like this (with the right kind of connection) connection would have to be tight, so that the controllers dont have a gap in between.
Originally Posted by ChrisEPIC
maybe look into making a controller yourself? I might make one next summer. unless NI made this idea |
| Lewis Stumpf 12.01.2011 | Hey Joostisme, would you mind if I did a 3d mockup of your concept, similar to the one I did a week back? Just to get a scope on how components would fit, sizing etc. Thanks. |
| Josh Villavaso 12.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by joostiisme
when i have a little more time, i'll add a full set of arcade buttons and some cross faders on the side, pretty much like the new custom midi fighters but integrated into a mixer. the idea of it totally turns me on lolz |
| Irwin Ney 12.01.2011 | Yes joost, like faderfox did with their modules... I like the modular aproach but it should have USB Hubs across the units like the SCS.3 System. At leas one USB hub to connect to the next NI controller... |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 12.01.2011 | getting more and more towards an full controller. every design idea added should be read by the NI team no matter what. they're all good ideas. I still hope they put it in a X1 sized package, split over multiple units for flexibility. |
| Josh Villavaso 12.01.2011 | all i have for now still working on it as i said. i'm not the greatest at these haha |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 12.01.2011 | Haha battle is heating up. many different ideas and approaches but thats the problem overall, no controller will ever be perfect unless you build it yourself. even then you'd have other needs in some time. maybe with a new software releases etc. looks like native instruments has to make 2 versions. 2 channel basic mixer only version (maybe without crossfader?) only EQ+gain+4FX buttons for each deck+volume faders. 4 channel version with more controls (can be used as stand alone) EQ+FX dry wet+basic transport+browsing etc. 2 channel version would be alot cheaper tho one thing I believe we can all say is: no labels on the buttons (I prefer no labels at all, after a while you don't look at them anyway. they are just confusing if you mapped your controller different.) just give 1 or 2 blank overlays. |
| Random X 12.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Garygary1
(And yes, all the functions are used; maybe the snap, master and quant are not used that much) Will do some believeing, if I would really need something else in my workflow. (And yes, this might even be include addition of arcade buttons. ) |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
i thought of that after i posted. honestly, maybe only have cue points for A and B |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 11.01.2011 | An "A C B D" layout would just be confusing. |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
-- changing it to loop size seems like a choice that would be more useful to me as well. but there would still have to be some sort of gain knob. maybe a single knob that can be switched accordingly? the gain isn't something that i feel like you would need to control more then one at a time. just takes to much room up. i would love to see this maybe a little wider, and adding cue points for each deck, deck a and c on the left, b and d on the right (maybe even a couple arcade buttons to give it that djtt vibe). and even a shift button so you can have all the knobs mapped to 2 different things, which would actually solve the gain/loop size problem lol. i would do it but i'm no good with this kind of stuff |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 11.01.2011 | Hell no! Keep those transport buttons. It stands on it's own like this! No need for deck controller at all. Having the faders switch to pitch faders seems pretty poor to me. Soft takeover is bad enough but when levels and pitch are involved it's just hell. I'd most likely remap the gain knobs as loop size (they are totally push encoders.) and use the FX buttons for beat jumps. Internal sound cards are for losers. |
| Chas Giraldez 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
Also, in a more radical approach, I would ditch the integrated soundcard and make the mixer full HID, but that is not nearly as flexible with those of you who have timecode setups and already priceier external sound cards. Would work perfect with 2 Kontrol x1s and an audio 2 or 4 dj. Would be perfect for me |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by electrofunk
especially for scratching and a lot of people prefer cross fading to channel fading and some do both. |
| Cammy Arfman 11.01.2011 | why don't just drop the crossfader? there would definitely be space for some extra buttons. i know that somehow the crossfader a basic feature of a mixer but i haven't touched it for ages. so i won't miss it. |
| Random X 11.01.2011 | This would be enough for me: The buttons under TEMPO modify the volume faders into pitch faders, while the up/down arrows help tempobend/nudge the tracks. I have added Play and Cue transfer controls for extra control. Select the track out of your collection with the browse knob and load it into the decks by clicking the appropriate button. I also tried to keep the crossfader away from buttons. |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 | this thread just gets more and more interesting. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
Ha. |
| Matha Obray 11.01.2011 | ^^Bingo |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
the deck select LED in the earlier design came from reloop RMP-40 the rest is all S4 and X1
Originally Posted by BennyJ
that you can add and move around the different parts that make a S4 or VCI for instance. If I'd just split the controls over 2 units and make them equal, you can still use it as a 2 channel mixer. or use 2 to create a 4 channel mixer. |
| Matha Obray 11.01.2011 | I like the first idea more. this on is kinda big |
| Random X 11.01.2011 | I would guess that the rotaries come from an APC40. |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 | then you'd still need a browse knob etc for it to work on it's own. maybe just mixer controls and enough transport controls to mix one track into the next. no fx except the four on/off button for each deck. would be a minimalistic controller, bedroom party or something. but could also be used as with a bigger midi based setup. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 11.01.2011 | Transport controls can't hurt. There's plenty of space below each channel. It'd add a slight touch of independence to this controller that I feel would help it sell. |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 | audio interface would make it bigger. the way I imagine it would be same height as an X1. I dont know if that will leave any room for sound card. having said that, all you need is a 2 channel sound card. (I believe) audio out and headphone out. because of the internal mixing no other channels required. or am I wrong here? |
| Caitlyn Scarantino 11.01.2011 | I would buy something like this. Funny it reminds of what Stanton did with their SCS series. If this had a built in hub and audio interface it would for a dj like me who is trying to minimized what Im carrying, but still has everything I need to mix and control effects. |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 | would have to be very small buttons, and then we'd be going more and more towards a full midi deck controller. only without jogwheels. the idea was a mixer, wich in this state has FX functionality (like most 4 channel mixers) it has just dry wet, and on/off buttons for the FX. the rest would have to be done with a X1 or similar controller. I just wanted a controller for the internal mixer. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 11.01.2011 | This totally needs some buttons per channel below the faders. ie. Basic transport functions (pause /play, cue, sync, beatjump + and -) and it'd be my dream controller. (with maybe some push encoders that control loop set and size) |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 | game: guess what gear
I got all my parts from. (all uploaded images so far in this thread) endless encoders added. |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
other wise you'd get alot of soft pickup hassle. maybe just 4 endless encoders in the middle free for the user to assign. |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by joostiisme
i would love to see them taking the ideas of this community and having some of the members help design and create something. there are so many creative and brilliant tech's on this site. it could change the future of controllerism and djtt i'm not good with like the technical stuff, but still. i know what i want in a controller and i know what i want it to do lolz as my last post stated. push button loud noise, turn knob louder noise |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by ChrisEPIC
I'd love to be one of those would be great if NI and DJTT looked thru some posts and find some members for an alpha feedback team or something like that. not only beta testers. I'd be willing to help for free, or with a tip: finished product just imagine the grand masters playing on your design |
| Random X 11.01.2011 | Ghehehe, yeah, it would be cool if this could ever get adopted. |
| Josh Villavaso 11.01.2011 | this is one of the greatest threads ever. i believe djtech should have some of the community members help design a controller like this. this community would release waaaayyy better gear then NI and Rane lol i feel like such a caveman, all i pretty much know is "push button loud noise move knob louder noise" lulz |
| Random X 11.01.2011 | Don't mind a bit of both, but this just became a little bit more awesome. The only thing now is; ideally you would also want faders or knobs to control the dry/wet of the fx. So maybe add 4fx knobs in the middle? (Also loving the M4 name adopting. ) |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
just added some buttons to map in the empty space in the middle, (rane sixty-eight copyright...) cue levels, and 3rd and 4th FX button et voila: personally I'd like it to have the same face plate and LED colours and buttons as the kontrol X1. but maybe thats just me. |
| Random X 11.01.2011 | Glitching lights is only a problem of the way you've mapped stuff on both controller and software. But coming back on my remark, design it more like the mixerpart of an S4 and you will have a win! |
| Demetra Pinizzotto 11.01.2011 | I dont have a BCR2000 or used one, but on this community
and the native instruments community
I saw some threads of ppl complaining about glitching lights and so on. I thought so that it was them doing something wrong, cause mostly I've heard good stuff about them. shame that they look so ugly (my opinion) If I'd buy one, I'd make a custom case right away, if possible. haha, I read your story about your BCR I wasn't talking about yours, I'm sorry if I hurt his or your fealings:P aaaand we're back on topic I believe it's weird no company has a modular kind of serie. everything can ofcourse be mapped, but something like we're talking about here isn't out there yet. right?! |
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