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Traktor Z1
Posted on: 11.06.2013 by Janella Gripe
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Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		And by the way, it's normal 2000NXS isn't still seen in many places as it is fairly "new" yet. About the other mixers, around where I live, every good club is 900NXS (800 on some small bars by the beach). More in the underground scene, they either have :92 or DB4. True story.
Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		You misread what I wrote, please read it again.

About 3: Do you seriously believe that this has the same sound quality of an Audio 10 for example? I mean, we are talking about a 199$ CONTROLLER, with buttons and knobs n shit on them, that happens to have a soundcard integrated. It will be nowhere NEAR the quality of a flagship NI Soundcard.




I can't see this competing against the Allen Heath K2 or Behringer MM-1. Behringer has all of it's features except soundcard, but it does 4 channel. Allen heath really does it everything better than this. What's the point NI?
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		You can get a decent 2 channel hardware mixer for maybe $50 more than the Z1.
Lanie Priske
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by synthet1c
noobs and controller kids don't care about quality, how else would anyone justify the surge of dj's in the past few years using kontrollers and mixtracks etc..
And I never said they were comparable in the sense you are arguing, what I meant is you can have a mixer functionality for a fraction of the price, that means eq's, volume and a crossfader, if your learning that is all you really need. Would I use this in a club? hell no there is a real mixer that I can punish, but most people who buy it will probably never play in a club. It is a disposable fad for most. Allen & heath is not aimed at the same audience.
I am "noob" and i find this kind of offensive..... Its not that i dont care about quality its that someone who is 16 cant afford a 2000 dollar mixer.
Joesph Kasian
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by DJBife
Why I wouldn't buy this:

- 2 Deck controller
- Shitty Native Instruments VU Meters
- Internal Mixing which sounds awful on club speakers
- Too expensive for what it offers (I mean, not so many buttons and knobs for mappings)


Why this will never replace a proper club mixer:

- They do 4 channels.
- They have proper EQ's
- They have proper VU Meters
- They have precise and accurate Gains
- They are so versatile (you can connect pretty much everything to them: microphones, maschines, turntables, cdj's, ipods, whatever)
- Build quality, the flagship mixers are indestructible (pretty much)
- Sound quality





I mean, are you SERIOUSLY believeing that a "toy-ish" controller like this can replace the sound quality of a DJM2000NXS, a Xone:92 or a DB4?

Can you compare for example Traktor effects vs. DB4 studio grade effects?

If yes, you are completely insane
Bless you and your silly inexperienced heart for believeing the following;

1) this is meant to replace a club mixer.

2) the DB4 will ever be a regular club mixer. I have one and thankfully got it for free off A&H, as if I'd have bought one I'd be gutted that I would have never been able to use the FX in a club - I play every week and have never come across one in a club. Same with the 2000NXS. The standard club mixer is a DJM800, 900 or 2000, which the Z1 has no intention of trying to replace. When NI decide to go at those mixers; you'll know about it.

3) That anyone on the floor can notice the difference between the sound of a NI soundcard and a club mixer.

I will however let you off as a quick scan of your previous posts shows you have lots to learn.
Rolanda Clodfelder
11.06.2013		When i first saw it I though "thats pretty cool"

Then I thought - WTF, 199 for a 2 channel mixer with essentially no additional Midi functions, a 2ch soundcard and fisher price version of traktor ...huh ?

I get the idea behind the F1, I get the idea behind the Z2, I really don't get the idea behind this or who it appeals to considering you'd need extra controllers to get the most out of it which will add another $300-400 to the price and you are into s2/s4 territory

Allen and Heath's K2 has more controls, is also IOS compatible, oodles of controls AND a case for $50 extra !
Leon Albornoz
11.06.2013		Why I wouldn't buy this:

- 2 Deck controller
- Shitty Native Instruments VU Meters
- Internal Mixing which sounds awful on club speakers
- Too expensive for what it offers (I mean, not so many buttons and knobs for mappings)


Why this will never replace a proper club mixer:

- They do 4 channels.
- They have proper EQ's
- They have proper VU Meters
- They have precise and accurate Gains
- They are so versatile (you can connect pretty much everything to them: microphones, maschines, turntables, cdj's, ipods, whatever)
- Build quality, the flagship mixers are indestructible (pretty much)
- Sound quality





I mean, are you SERIOUSLY believeing that a "toy-ish" controller like this can replace the sound quality of a DJM2000NXS, a Xone:92 or a DB4?

Can you compare for example Traktor effects vs. DB4 studio grade effects?

If yes, you are completely insane
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by D-Kem
This is a great solution as a back up for a mobile gig or for messing around at house parties/at home. It certainly isn't (and most likely isn't intended to be) a professional DJ solution. I'd still like one though.
i agree look fun if you own a iPad / iphone. might even be OK to use with a ipad / ableton setup...
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2013		This is a great solution as a back up for a mobile gig or for messing around at house parties/at home. It certainly isn't (and most likely isn't intended to be) a professional DJ solution. I'd still like one though.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by donstone
What $2000 mixer is this comparable? Have you ever actually mixed on a DJ mixer...
noobs and controller kids don't care about quality, how else would anyone justify the surge of dj's in the past few years using kontrollers and mixtracks etc..
And I never said they were comparable in the sense you are arguing, what I meant is you can have a mixer functionality for a fraction of the price, that means eq's, volume and a crossfader, if your learning that is all you really need. Would I use this in a club? hell no there is a real mixer that I can punish, but most people who buy it will probably never play in a club. It is a disposable fad for most. Allen & heath is not aimed at the same audience.
Oretha Afful
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
+1

Man there's a ton of babble on this thread. NI releases two volume faders and a set of eq's and folks get wet between the legs.
well you can totally replace your $2000 DJM with this controller though! Don't you get it? Pretty sure it mixes tracks for you, and comes with a download voucher for any month of the beatport top 100 too.
Julissa Serrone
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
It's mainly aimed at TDJ users, and the app only supports 2 channels. You .
+1

Man there's a ton of babble on this thread. NI releases two volume faders and a set of eq's and folks get wet between the legs.
Kati Garbo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by donstone
My biggest gripe about traktor and the S4 is the mixer and mixing internally. It is nowhere near as good or as accurate as mixing on a real dj mixer with real VU meters, real EQ and real filters. The S4 mixer is basically a toy compared to my DJM800.
This

I will say this, I've owned an S4 and got rid of it, sound quality was terrible (to me at least)
Albertina Fay
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
Why in the heck would anyone use two of them and have to change the traditional / simplistic way of mixing? I have to use "two" crossfaders now wtf? Sounds like a disaster for a live set.
you can always remove crossfader assignments, so they do nothing when you move them. this will eliminate any accidents.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		You're not likely to be using a crossfader for 4 deck mixing are you?
Kati Garbo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
It's mainly aimed at TDJ users, and the app only supports 2 channels. You could always use 2 of them for TPro usage if you want 4 channels.
Why in the heck would anyone use two of them and have to change the traditional / simplistic way of mixing? I have to use "two" crossfaders now wtf? Sounds like a disaster for a live set.
Annalisa Shogren
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
DJM is now traditional?

damn I'm old.
Traditional in the sense of doing it how it's always been done, not in the sense of age.
Oretha Afful
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by synthet1c
there are more people willing to spend $200 than $2000 for the same functionality is the ethos for any controller company.
What $2000 mixer is this comparable? Have you ever actually mixed on a DJ mixer? My biggest gripe about traktor and the S4 is the mixer and mixing internally. It is nowhere near as good or as accurate as mixing on a real dj mixer with real VU meters, real EQ and real filters. The S4 mixer is basically a toy compared to my DJM800. I actually went back to CDJs just so I could use the DJM instead of the S4 mixer.

Software mixers have not gotten to the point (YET) that they can replace a DJM or A&H or Rane yet.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Pretty much all clubs will have a mixer installed already. Why should you have to bring your own mixer?

Your X1 already controls FX so I don't see what the point of having a Z1 is. DJM 750+ have a whole bunch of FX anyways if you aren't using Traktor.
Familiarity, reliability, and the fact that you know exactly what condition your gear is in and that nobody has abused it. To me, that's invaluable - hence why I take a 4 channel mixer down with me along with the rest of the gear when I'm using a modular setup. When I get one of these (it was going to be the MM-1, but NI win this round ), I'll be taking this instead. In fact, I'll probably sell my 4 channel mixer.

Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
What upsets me is to see them constantly put out products and neglect their optional abilities within the software.
If it helps, there's mention on the site of the Z1 controlling TWO different types of filters when used with Traktor Pro; a high resonance and a low resonance one. Whether that's just a mapping thing, and makes use of the Filter effect, or if they're adding new "Filter types" (like Z ISO, Xone, Pioneer) into TP2, I suppose we won't know for sure until the unit comes out.

EDIT: Here's the quote, for clarity's sake:

When using TRAKTOR PRO 2, the Mode button toggles between low- and high-resonance filters.
Kati Garbo
11.06.2013		What upsets me is to see them constantly put out products and neglect their optional abilities within the software.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		It's mainly aimed at TDJ users, and the app only supports 2 channels. You could always use 2 of them for TPro usage if you want 4 channels.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I'd love to see some hard statistics on this, but I get the feeling that FAR more people use non-timecode setups than timecode ones. NI's bread and butter is more and more becoming completely digital setups, so more pieces of gear without audio inputs is most likely the way we're going.

A report on the number of Traktor Scratch vs Traktor Pro licenses purchased this year would be interesting to see... I nominate Karlos to ask NI nicely for some stats
i would love to but i have no interest in these stats,

i retract what i said about price its not that expensive but what i was trying to say before people jumped on me was they kept it to 2 channels due to the price point.. the lower the better when it comes to IOS users.
Gaynell Rydberg
11.06.2013		Pretty much all clubs will have a mixer installed already. Why should you have to bring your own mixer?

Your X1 already controls FX so I don't see what the point of having a Z1 is. DJM 750+ have a whole bunch of FX anyways if you aren't using Traktor.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
not cheap exactly... imagine if it had a audio 4 inside it....
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by pastabox
I'm not sure I saw a definitive answer on this: Can you hook up an X1 and the the Z1 to an iPad and use both? Or would you only be able to connect the Z1 and have to do your effects / play / pause / whatever on the iPad itself?
The Z1 is the only controller you can use in TDJ at the moment.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
So their target market is to those who can afford 200 bucks? That makes no sense.

imagine if it had a audio 4 inside it....
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
So their target market is to those who can afford 200 bucks? That makes no sense.
there are more people willing to spend $200 than $2000 for the same functionality is the ethos for any controller company.
Brianne Duvoisin
11.06.2013		I'm not sure I saw a definitive answer on this: Can you hook up an X1 and the the Z1 to an iPad and use both? Or would you only be able to connect the Z1 and have to do your effects / play / pause / whatever on the iPad itself?
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
So their target market is to those who can afford 200 bucks? That makes no sense.
It's not cheap by any means, I agree.

However, with regards to the 4-deck statement made earlier, don't forget that the Z1 ships with Traktor LE, which - afaik - is 2-deck.
Kati Garbo
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
price..
So their target market is to those who can afford 200 bucks? That makes no sense.
Jerica Salava
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by Ross
I guess I'm just more traditional.
DJM is now traditional?

damn I'm old.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by omnipo7ent
I dont understand why NI neglects/forgets to realize that their software enables the use of 4 decks. Why they continue to only tailor to 2 deck use just baffles me. It is essentially a Audio 2 with internal mixer ability.
price..
Kati Garbo
11.06.2013		I dont understand why NI neglects/forgets to realize that their software enables the use of 4 decks. Why they continue to only tailor to 2 deck use just baffles me. It is essentially a Audio 2 with internal mixer ability.
Merideth Garnder
11.06.2013		NI did what any smart business would do....they opened up the world of DJing to even more new faces with this move. As for me....I'll stick with our CDJs and DJM mixer for the clubs.....those are starting to look like toys....
Jeffrey Akinsanya
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
No arguments there tbh, although I only play 4/4 stuff so I make more extensive use of them.

But here lies my point; if you're using two decks (I can accept an argument for a 12" mixer if you're using 4 decks, although I suppose you could always get 2 of these), wouldn't it make more sense to be able to take your exact setup with you everywhere you go and not have to worry about the condition of the venue's gear?

Not to mention, with my OCD I don't exactly relish the idea of having to touch a mixer that THOUSANDS of other people have had their germs all over either :-\
you cant use external sources with this... thats what alot will want
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		You only have to visit a club once to know the condition of their gear. If they have a Pioneer or A+H in decent condition it makes much more sense to bring a sound card + modular controller while leaving your mixer at home.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
You mean the FX on your knock-off Reloop are utterly pointless. There are plenty of usable FX on the recent DJMs.

Very few hardware mixer users actually bring them to a gig as the whole point of them is to be a permanent install.
Who mentioned Reloop? I'm talking about DJMs.
Doreen Schurle
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by Ross
I use both, but prefer Traktor's. They're just smoother, and sound better. However, I only really find myself using reverb freeze, and echo freeze, as they're the only ones that tend to suit drum & bass. I feel like the other effects very much cater for 4/4 tunes.
No arguments there tbh, although I only play 4/4 stuff so I make more extensive use of them.

But here lies my point; if you're using two decks (I can accept an argument for a 12" mixer if you're using 4 decks, although I suppose you could always get 2 of these), wouldn't it make more sense to be able to take your exact setup with you everywhere you go and not have to worry about the condition of the venue's gear?

Not to mention, with my OCD I don't exactly relish the idea of having to touch a mixer that THOUSANDS of other people have had their germs all over either :-\
Alphonso Deitchman
11.06.2013		You mean the FX on your knock-off Reloop are utterly pointless. There are plenty of usable FX on the recent DJMs.

Very few hardware mixer users actually bring them to a gig as the whole point of them is to be a permanent install.
Annalisa Shogren
11.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
That depends... are you using the DJM effects or Traktor's?

To me, mixer FX are just utterly, UTTERLY pointless. There's nothing more irritating than being in a club and hearing the DJ using the flanger/filtersweep constantly.
I use both, but prefer Traktor's. They're just smoother, and sound better. However, I only really find myself using reverb freeze, and echo freeze, as they're the only ones that tend to suit drum & bass. I feel like the other effects very much cater for 4/4 tunes.

I use the filter/filter sweep on the DJM sparingly, and only when I consider appropriate. I never use a quick sweep, it'd be over 16-32 bars if it was the auto filter, for instance.

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