Is ripping vinyl worth it?
Is ripping vinyl worth it? Posted on: 30.09.2013 by Wynell Muma Hey guys, not posted in awhile! Got a question that needs answering! So I can spend ages looking at various underground music sites and listen to so many obscure techno/house tracks that I'd love to play out. Only problem is they're on vinyl only! I have some shitty Numark TT1610's which are really shitty belt driven turntables so I don't bother mixing with them or buying that many vinyls however I did wonder... Would it be worth me buying vinyl's and then ripping them to WAV? Or would it lose a lot of sound quality? I want to rip some big tunes so I can play them out on decent speakers and I don't really want shitty quality tracks! I have a mate who has proper 1210's so I could use his turntables to rip tunes as I know mine wouldn't be of much use? Plus I get to experience all the fun of going record shopping! Anyone on here do this? I would love to talk to someone about it. I believe doing this with vinyl would separate myself from djs who just buy tracks online? Plus my collection would build up and one day I could just bring my vinyl along to a club and play out straight away! | |
| Lina Rawie 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Personally, I love buying records when they toss in a digital copy for free. It saves me from having to rip the vinyl for personal listening, because whatever format I buy music on, I'm gonna want digital copies for my phone, car stereo and PC. As for saying that DJing isn't art and that it's not expressive, that's nonsense man, haha. Dumbing it down to "you play other people's music" reminds me of those people who say "I can't believe footballers get paid so much. All they do is kick a ball round a field!". |
| Hellen Mindrup 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Annalisa Shogren 01.10.2013 | You purchased a tune on vinyl (probably cost you more anyway) it's now yours. Play it how the fuck you like, and bollocks to anyone else. As mentioned, as long as you have a decent needle (i.e. Ortofon Arkiv), and pre amp, you're golden. ALSO, make sure the record is clean. Something like this http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/c...Record-Cleaner should do the trick. |
| Sonja Roybal 01.10.2013 | I recently had a discussion with a label owner that runs a vinyl only sub label. Personally, I don't care about mediums. Play whatever you want. Sync. Loop. Make fart noises in the mic. Just make it sound good. Anyway, I asked him why they run a vinyl only sub label. His response was that vinyl is their favorite medium. They run the label as an homage to vinyl dj's because there are so many tunes that never get pressed these days. It's their way of saying thanks. They enlist producers that know these tunes will have a very limited, exclusive run. The pressings are incredibly sought after and sell quickly. The producers line up for it because its special. Just this week, they released a beautiful box set LP with 20 tunes, marble vinyl, fantastic artwork... The works. They also ended up caving and releasing it digitally because they knew some asshole would rip it. That, IMO, sucks. "Who cares about the artists anyway?" You should. You wouldn't have shit without the people that make the actual tunes. I just hate that attitude. You're a disc jockey. You're not an artist. You're not expressive. You play other people's music. I do too and I love it. The difference is that I have no delusions of grandeur. I'll get off my high horse. That post just really bothered me. |
| Lina Rawie 01.10.2013 | I don't see why anyone has a problem with someone ripping a record and playing the ripped version. Why does it make a difference if I take the record with me and play that, or if I rip the record and play it via a DVS? I don't see why that's "entitlement". It's the same song. I've bought it. There doesn't seem to be any reason for saying "no, you can only ever listen to it by playing the original record each time!". I'm gonna release my first song on 8 track only, so make sure you have an 8 track player if you want to play it in a club. NO OTHER METHOD IS ACCEPTABLE!!!! Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there were hipster DJs out there who use 8 tracks, lol. |
| Sonja Roybal 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by MeetsMandy
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| Wynell Muma 02.10.2013 | Don't see why people care so much about what the artist believes? You've just spent a lot of money on a vinyl that you can only play out A) the club has turntables and B) if you can be arsed taking it all. I'm sure you want to make life easier for yourself and rip it. Plus the label wont find out unless your in the big leagues... Im which case you'll be able to get your vinyl there no problem because your on mega bucks! All I wanted to know was it worth it with sound quality etc? |
| Sonja Roybal 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Sonja Roybal 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Cook
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| Dione Haimes 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Sonja Roybal 01.10.2013 | There's a distinction between ripping your back catalogue of vinyl and ripping old gems you find (which is fine) and ripping new tunes that the artist and label don't want played digitally. There are vinyl only labels for a reason. Ripping their tunes is disrespectful. |
| Hank Guidas 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| Wynell Muma 01.10.2013 | I'm agreeing that If I pay the money to buy a rare vinyl and I want to play it out then I should be allowed to rip it to WAV because of the practicality of it, who wants to lug vinyl round these days too? and the artist is losing out on anything if you rip it unless you share it to the world, but why would you share such an exclusivity? I should have quoted the person I was referring too ha sorry |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by MeetsMandy
Originally Posted by Dohjo
btw - Joy Orbison and Boddika are excellent examples to use. |
| Hank Guidas 01.10.2013 | Agreed. That mentality is bullshit |
| Wynell Muma 01.10.2013 | Yeah but if everyone lived with that mentality the world would be shit. It's like saying 'Well I really fancy that girl but her parents don't approve of me so I'm not going to go there' ... Get my drift, If I get the chance to play some joy orbison or boddika in my sets because I've spent the money and time to rip it then I'm going to play them? |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
The opposite of this is playing an MP3 with DVS. Your using vinyl to play a track that was only released as MP3. I believe vinyl only releases are fine but I'm not gonna let the artist or the label make my mind up on how I play it. I'd rather play a track and a crowd hear it than have it unplayed if I cannot use decks at a gig. You owe it to your crowd to play it, you don't owe the artist anything. It's their decision to release it on their chosen format and your decision to play it on your chosen format.
Originally Posted by UncleFunky
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| Eilene Mayall 01.10.2013 | Yeah it's worth it, but do it properly first time around if you have loads of records to do. Use as good a cartridge, pre-amp and audio interface as you can get hold of, because you don't want to end it doing it twice (or three times; - a lesson learnt the hard way). It's definitely worth buying a decent hifi needle specifically for recording rather than using a DJ needle to get good quality rips. |
| Hank Guidas 01.10.2013 | The quality is fine. Some websites *COUGH* JUNO *COUGH* sells vinyl rips. |
| Dione Haimes 01.10.2013 | Quite a lot of releases ive bought in the last 2/3 years have had digital download links to iTunes/web hosts in the sleeve, If it dosent come with one, ask the label, im sure theyll be willing to give it out for you to play it! |
| Lashawn Maycock 01.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hippie
OP: If it's older vinyl, then as long as you have a cleanish setup, in terms of quality turntable, cart/stylus, and minimum audio runs, it's worth doing, but it does take ages. I've only managed a handful of tunes and rip as and when I might need the track digitally (and not available) and if there's no turntables to play it on. |
| Ara Tima 30.09.2013 | In most cases it's worth contacting the label like people have said, you'd be surprised. One of my favourite labels Untzz only does vinyl releases, but they also give away every tune for free as a 320k MP3 on their Soundcloud page.... Four Tet tends to do the same in regards to his vinyl only releases. |
| Margie Pavell 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
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| Audrey Pinda 30.09.2013 | If you buy it, use it. If you have it, play it. If a track is amazing and gets a vinyl only release, and you want to play it? Buy the vinyl, rip the vinyl to whatever format you desire, and play it. Same goes for Mp3 files you buy: Unless it's to a select group of close friends, I really don't agree with sharing music of any sort digitally. My song and dance has changed on that since I started DJing, when I was just a musical consumer I was up with the worst of them downloading things illegally. Just don't do it if you are playing out, and don't help people who do. This should be the same with anything you buy on vinyl and rip to Mp3. Hell if I could afford a record press, I'd do the exact opposite. I'd take the Mp3 files I find, bootlegs and everything, and make them INTO vinyl. But I can't. So I don't. If it's good: Play it. |
| Desire Piedmont 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
I believe Andrew Weatherall's current label is vinyl only. Not sure of the reasoning behind it. |
| Desire Piedmont 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hippie
I rip vinyl all the time and never have a problem beat-gridding it. I'm a vinyl junkie at heart and prefer something physical to digital. Buying digital leaves a bad taste in my mouth. My answer - ripping vinyl is indeed worth it. |
| Hellen Mindrup 30.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Sonja Roybal 30.09.2013 | If a tune isn't available digitally and only got release on vinyl, it might for a reason. They might want it to be a vinyl only release. I won't play those tunes out of respect for the artist and label. |
| Will Spinello 30.09.2013 | I buy and rip a lot of vinyl. A loss of sound quality? Perhaps a little. Aside from the mastering, there are going to be cracks and pops. I like that, though. To be honest, I haven't had a lot of trouble with wobbly rips. The vast - and I mean 99.9% - are as easy to beatgrid as digital tunes, and every bit as precise. A lot of the current lo-fi house is a wee bit different. I assume that this is less to do with the quality of the vinyl press and more to do with the production techniques. I've a bunch of old Acid House from the mid and late 80's that is wonky to the point of being un-gridable, and is very similar in terms of how it was made to this newer stuff: Wonky old analogue gear, recorded to knackered old master tapes, that sort of thing. I got the new Greg Beato one on LIES last week and two of the tracks are all over the place. I'm going to have to sit down and do some work to find out whether it's me, the pressing or the production. Considering the third track is pretty much perfect I'm guessing it's the production. In comparison, I have digital tracks that are every bit as bad. Most of it is about how that music was made. Not a lot you can do about it. I guess you could stick it in Ableton and try and warp it but that brings it's own problems. Anyway, yeah, if your just mixing by ear lt's not really a hardship to just manually adjust. |
| Hellen Mindrup 30.09.2013 | I'd love to have some of that Art Department and Seth Troxler shit that they release vinyl only, but I prefer to leave it alone as is, it's what they intended it to be. |
| Wynell Muma 30.09.2013 | So I should deffo start ripping!? Plus I'd just be beat matching by ear as if I was playing on vinyl |
| Tania Somppi 30.09.2013 | Pedantic point - the plural of vinyl is vinyl Ahhhh that's better Yes - doo it doo it doo it Rips are usually a bit wibbly wobbly tho and thus a pita to beatgrid and mix on a controller unless you tap the beat in when you need it, beat match and adjust by ear or warp them into shape with ableton. |
| Wynell Muma 30.09.2013 | I do plan on playing the vinyls that I buy, but I want to know about sound quality and ripping them? if I was willing to just buy vinyl I'd get decent turntables however I am getting cdjs which would be more suitable? Also Labels must get loads of people wanting the digital copy and they'd never release them lol |
| Latoria Kavulich 30.09.2013 | Up to you mate but personally i wouldn't invest in vinyls unless i planned on playing them. I would contact the label and ask nicely if they could release a digital version, but where's the exclusivity in that eh? |
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