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Is ripping vinyl worth it? Posted on: 30.09.2013 by Wynell Muma Hey guys, not posted in awhile! Got a question that needs answering! So I can spend ages looking at various underground music sites and listen to so many obscure techno/house tracks that I'd love to play out. Only problem is they're on vinyl only! I have some shitty Numark TT1610's which are really shitty belt driven turntables so I don't bother mixing with them or buying that many vinyls however I did wonder... Would it be worth me buying vinyl's and then ripping them to WAV? Or would it lose a lot of sound quality? I want to rip some big tunes so I can play them out on decent speakers and I don't really want shitty quality tracks! I have a mate who has proper 1210's so I could use his turntables to rip tunes as I know mine wouldn't be of much use? Plus I get to experience all the fun of going record shopping! Anyone on here do this? I would love to talk to someone about it. I believe doing this with vinyl would separate myself from djs who just buy tracks online? Plus my collection would build up and one day I could just bring my vinyl along to a club and play out straight away!
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by sarasin Why are you even contributing to this thread? (contributing being used loosely) ..... You're basically standing behind B1shop, going "Yeah! Thats why man!", whenever he says anything.....come on dude. Let B1shop fight his own battles huh? Yeah, I agree with him. He's doing a good job defending his points. This is a public board after all.. Cry more about it.
Maryam Fevold 04.10.2013	Hesitantly adding my 2 cents... I believe the idea behind vinyl-only releases is to keep the exclusivity alive in the world of music and DJing. Before digital, only having hard copies of music was a defining point for many DJs. Having that sick, exclusive tune was why people would leave their homes to go see a DJ. Today, in the world of digital, it's hard to duplicate that exclusive element. The only real way to come close is for a label/producer to go the vinyl-only route. Other physical mediums could work too (tapes, eight-tracks (lol), and to a lesser extent, CDs), but vinyl is pretty special as far a DJ history goes, so they stick with that. Now, when a DJ today gets his hands on a vinyl-only release, he knows he's got something that others can't find on Beatport, iTunes, etc. Whether he decides to rip it to WAV/MP3 or not, it's still a pretty exclusive track because I can pretty much guarantee he's not going to upload the ripped track to some torrent site or anything else, because he wants to keep it exclusive! TL;DR - it's not so much a love of the medium (although that does play a small part) but it's more of keeping the idea of "exclusive" and "rare" tracks alive in DJing and dance music.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Can I use major insults instead then? Yes cus then I would have clear case to ban your ass......... kidding I just want this thread to chill.
Lilliana Perris 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by Kwal Pretty much, yes. Why are you even contributing to this thread? (contributing being used loosely) ..... You're basically standing behind B1shop, going "Yeah! Thats why man!", whenever he says anything.....come on dude. Let B1shop fight his own battles huh?
Lina Rawie 04.10.2013	Can I use major insults instead then?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 04.10.2013	I'm not sighing about the merit of your argument I am sighing because, after I said that people were starting to use less than friendly language you go use the word "retarded" with regards to another member (implicitly). Shelve the minor insults. This thread is on the downhill slope.
Lina Rawie 04.10.2013	You can sigh all you want, but it's not opinion. Either there are labels who don't want DJs to rip records for their own use, or there's not. But there is no evidence of that and b1sh0p certainly hasn't provided any. There are reasons to put out vinyl-only releases other than that: - 1. Vinyl-only releases are often limited presses. These are usually quite expensive. I've paid
nayit ruiz jaramillo 04.10.2013	sigh
Lina Rawie 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos @Everyone: Ok enough...!!! This is going round in circles and people are starting to use less than friendly language. The OP asked if and how he can rip vinyl. He didn't ask for a lecture on DJ ethics. Opinion is divided... leave it. It's not really opinion. Either producers and labels don't want you ripping vinyl, or they're OK with it. Sadly, one particular poster doesn't seem to know the difference between opinion and fact and he's presenting the former as the latter, but with zero evidence whatsoever. Only a retard would say "labels put out vinyl-only releases because they don't want people ripping vinyl" which is what his entire opinion hinges on, lol. Mind you, the same dood said that DJing is not artistic nor expressive. He obviously likes being wrong.
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by keithace I gotta disagree man...So you mean to tell me that the guy that spent countless hours creating a track and more dollars to get it cut into vinyl...only wants the few exclusive people who bought that track to hear it?...come on man... Pretty much, yes.
Margie Pavell 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p None of us are anything without the producers. it doesn't have to be that dramatic... some of us are taking our place in the food chain a little too seriously...
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by keithace I gotta disagree man...So you mean to tell me that the guy that spent countless hours creating a track and more dollars to get it cut into vinyl...only wants the few exclusive people who bought that track to hear it?...come on man... I believe it means he loved it that much more he took a little more care in making sure someone loved it just as much as he did. That person took to the time and effort to make a rip of the track and share it with a broader audience at one of their gigs. Digweed still talks about getting loads of vinyl and them having to rip them so he can audition them at the very least. Quote from Geoff Presha, owner of Samurai Records and fellow dj. You don't have to agree, but this is one of those circumstances where I wouldn't feel comfortable ripping these records. cuts both ways with that argument tbh, the tantrums digital buyers have thrown over Horo are very similar to a child not being able to get what he wants. One thing you miss here, is that the artists concerned on every record on Horo request to be part of it and are well aware of the vinyl only / no repress policy and this is what they like about it. We want to have one label where the music is not disposable and not up for being robbed by thousands of people instantly and stands as a unique product that can only be enjoyed by owning it and playing on a record player. It's an endless loop this argument obviously, but ultimately we make the decision in partnership with the artist, and this is something that people have to accept. Vinyl is our favourite medium for music listening, and this is our collective tribute to it. This whole debate escalated when the OP said, "who cares what the artist believes." None of us are anything without the producers.
Margie Pavell 03.10.2013	and I'll be damned if I am not going to rip my dubtribe, guidance or greyhound records some day...
Margie Pavell 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p The medium is the message. Look it up. the medium is the message? please elaborate my good sir... you might be confusing that the message is on the medium...
Margie Pavell 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p The medium is the message. Look it up. I gotta disagree man...So you mean to tell me that the guy that spent countless hours creating a track and more dollars to get it cut into vinyl...only wants the few exclusive people who bought that track to hear it?...come on man... I believe it means he loved it that much more he took a little more care in making sure someone loved it just as much as he did. That person took to the time and effort to make a rip of the track and share it with a broader audience at one of their gigs. Digweed still talks about getting loads of vinyl and them having to rip them so he can audition them at the very least.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.10.2013	@Everyone: Ok enough...!!! This is going round in circles and people are starting to use less than friendly language. The OP asked if and how he can rip vinyl. He didn't ask for a lecture on DJ ethics. Opinion is divided... leave it.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by keithace isn't you ripping the vinyl and playing it just as exclusive as playing the vinyl itself?...I don't understand some of the logic in this thread... If I may be so bold to ask...how old are you bishop? The medium is the message. Look it up.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Throughout this thread you've been telling people not to rip vinyl that they own so they can play the rips because according to you it's "disrespectful" to labels and producers, so you are speaking for labels and producers. Why you're doing that, I don't know. The only thing you've put forth as evidence is one conversation you supposedly had with a label owner who didn't even say anything that backs you up. But he couldn't say anything that backs you up anyway, because he's not even putting out vinyl-only releases, lol. You said yourself that they also put out digital versions of their tracks. So now you're left with "but why would labels have vinyl-only releases?", but implying that the only possible answer to that is "because they don't want people who buy their records to ever rip them as they want them to play the actual record each time" is just you making things up again. How does putting out a vinyl-only release stop someone from ripping the vinyl for their own use anyway??? What you're saying isn't even logical. Labels and producers would not give a fuck if you bought their record, ripped it and played the rip. Why would they? You bought their fucking record. You showed them respect by saying "here's my money". You didn't put the rip online so other people could pirate it. Only an absolute tool would say "you're disrespecting me by playing that rip bro" and a person like that isn't worth listening to anyway. Neither are you. End of conversation. You really are being dense. Djcommunity s must be mad slow. Again, I'm talking about vinyl only releases. The specific LP I mentioned got a digital release. The other 9 releases on that label never received a digital release and never will. You can't answer why they do vinyl only releases. You have dodged the question. This thread is going in circles and become mad stale. You've even gone ad hominem. I hope djcommunity s gets busy tomorrow.p Btw, I've never told anybody what to do. I don't give a fuck what you do. I gave my opinion about ripping vinyl only releases. In general, rip what ever the hell you want. Vinyl only rips are bogus, IMO.
Margie Pavell 03.10.2013	isn't you ripping the vinyl and playing it just as exclusive as playing the vinyl itself?...I don't understand some of the logic in this thread... If I may be so bold to ask...how old are you bishop?
Lina Rawie 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p I'm not "speaking for everyone." I'm giving my opinion based on conversations I've had. Why do labels have vinyl only releases? Just for the hell of it? Throughout this thread you've been telling people not to rip vinyl that they own so they can play the rips because according to you it's "disrespectful" to labels and producers, so you are speaking for labels and producers. Why you're doing that, I don't know. The only thing you've put forth as evidence is one conversation you supposedly had with a label owner who didn't even say anything that backs you up. But he couldn't say anything that backs you up anyway, because he's not even putting out vinyl-only releases, lol. You said yourself that they also put out digital versions of their tracks. So now you're left with "but why would labels have vinyl-only releases?", but implying that the only possible answer to that is "because they don't want people who buy their records to ever rip them as they want them to play the actual record each time" is just you making things up again. How does putting out a vinyl-only release stop someone from ripping the vinyl for their own use anyway??? What you're saying isn't even logical. Labels and producers would not give a fuck if you bought their record, ripped it and played the rip. Why would they? You bought their fucking record. You showed them respect by saying "here's my money". You didn't put the rip online so other people could pirate it. Only an absolute tool would say "you're disrespecting me by playing that rip bro" and a person like that isn't worth listening to anyway. Neither are you. End of conversation.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Yep, you said this: - But nowhere do you say "the label owner said he doesn't want people ripping the vinyl and playing it themselves". You said that they released a digital version because people might rip it, presumably because they would put it online for others to download for free. Otherwise, there is no logic to it at all as a person who buys vinyl can rip if even if they don't release a digital version. Plus, speaking to one label owner who didn't even say "don't rip records that we sell, even for personal use" does not give you the right to speak for all labels out there, even though you seem to believe it does. You're talking pure shit about something you know nothing about and your single anecdote doesn't even back you up, lol. "Dense as fuck" indeed. I'm not "speaking for everyone." I'm giving my opinion based on conversations I've had. Why do labels have vinyl only releases? Just for the hell of it?
Lina Rawie 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p Did you read the thread and see where I posted about asking the label owner? Some of you cats are dense as fuck. Yep, you said this: - Originally Posted by b1sh0p I recently had a discussion with a label owner that runs a vinyl only sub label. Personally, I don't care about mediums. Play whatever you want. Sync. Loop. Make fart noises in the mic. Just make it sound good. Anyway, I asked him why they run a vinyl only sub label. His response was that vinyl is their favorite medium. They run the label as an homage to vinyl dj's because there are so many tunes that never get pressed these days. It's their way of saying thanks. They enlist producers that know these tunes will have a very limited, exclusive run. The pressings are incredibly sought after and sell quickly. The producers line up for it because its special. Just this week, they released a beautiful box set LP with 20 tunes, marble vinyl, fantastic artwork... The works. They also ended up caving and releasing it digitally because they knew some asshole would rip it. That, IMO, sucks. But nowhere do you say "the label owner said he doesn't want people ripping the vinyl and playing it themselves". You said that they released a digital version because people might rip it, presumably because they would put it online for others to download for free. Otherwise, there is no logic to it at all as a person who buys vinyl can rip if even if they don't release a digital version. Plus, speaking to one label owner who didn't even say "don't rip records that we sell, even for personal use" does not give you the right to speak for all labels out there, even though you seem to believe it does. You're talking pure shit about something you know nothing about and your single anecdote doesn't even back you up, lol. "Dense as fuck" indeed.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma What a load of absolute bollocks. You're in no position to speak on behalf of all the labels that put out vinyl-only releases. There's no reason for anyone to take you seriously. Did you read the thread and see where I posted about asking the label owner? Some of you cats are dense as fuck.
Lina Rawie 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p Vinyl only releases are an homage to vinyl only dj's. Labels do it as a thank you to vinyl dj's because there are so many releases that no longer get pressed. What's hard to understand? They want the tunes to be exclusive and only available to the dj's still playing vinyl. What a load of absolute bollocks. You're in no position to speak on behalf of all the labels that put out vinyl-only releases. There's no reason for anyone to take you seriously.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Vinyl only releases are an homage to vinyl only dj's. Labels do it as a thank you to vinyl dj's because there are so many releases that no longer get pressed. What's hard to understand? They want the tunes to be exclusive and only available to the dj's still playing vinyl. @djproben: the label I was referring to is Samurai Horo. Horo is the vinyl only sub label of Samurai Records.
Ming Devis 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by Kwal Hey would you look at that... He's using real vinyl, like the kinda stuff we're arguing over. face palm completely missed the point
Danae Dumler 03.10.2013	You know, I'm a vinyl fanatic. I've spent over $1500 on vinyl this year and it's not over yet. I love the format, and I want to know what that marble-colored box set is that bishop is talking about. But I don't get this notion that because a release is "vinyl-only" that means the artist doesn't want people playing or listening to it in another format. I suspect this claim never even occurred to anyone when people were taping "vinyl-only" releases on cassette to listen in the car, or putting them on CDs to play at clubs that didn't have turntables. Why would they care, and why would anyone notice, if you play a WAV that you ripped? It's the same music, and it will sound exactly the same (unless you knocked the needle when you ripped it and recorded a skip or something). A well-recorded 320kbps mp3 might sound slightly different if you're playing for an audience of audiophiles sitting in an otherwise quiet room listening to a $20,000+ home stereo, but nobody in a loud club is going to notice any difference (even your pops and dust noises are going to be recorded if you ripped it from vinyl yourself). I don't see how you're disrespecting an artist by playing the music they made to be heard rather than sticking it in a box where nobody in your audience will even know it exists. And to the original poster - no, you won't lose any sound quality by recording your vinyl to WAV if you do it right. As others suggested, quality needles, mixer, turntable, etc. will make the difference. The beatgridding problem is a non-issue if you use a decent turntable; the only times I've seen problems is with old recordings (again as someone else mentioned, acid house from the late 1980s is notorious for this), and I believe that has to do with the source material rather than the vinyl.
Celestine Porebski 03.10.2013	What a bizarre thread. If I buy a vinyl only record (which I do quite regularly, actually), there's no reason why I shouldn't play it, regardless if I want to lug records around or not.
Hellen Mindrup 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by LoopCat It's funny, I just watched this video then read your post. DJing isn't an art form/not expressive/not grand?? Tell that to this guy Anyway to add, vinyl rips are fine if done well. If you know you won't be playing at venues with turntables very often go ahead and rip them. If there are turntables at most venues I would take the records with me and just play them as is. Most vinyl rips I've heard have 'ok' to 'bad' sound quality compared to a good condition record. IMO if you are planning on buying records go the DVS route and buy some direct drive tt's. You'll be able to play your WAV's/mp3's and your records you pay hard earned cash for! Seems like a bit of a waste ripping them and leaving them on a shelf. Hey would you look at that... He's using real vinyl, like the kinda stuff we're arguing over.
Sonja Roybal 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by keithace such poor attitudes from people who's responsibility is to make people dance... Right. Some people have no respect for the music. Dj'ing used to just be a means to an end, make people dance and get good music out there. Now dj's believe they're the party and they're more important than the music they're playing. It's a sad state of affairs tbh.
Ming Devis 03.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p I recently had a discussion with a label owner that runs a vinyl only sub label. Personally, I don't care about mediums. Play whatever you want. Sync. Loop. Make fart noises in the mic. Just make it sound good. Anyway, I asked him why they run a vinyl only sub label. His response was that vinyl is their favorite medium. They run the label as an homage to vinyl dj's because there are so many tunes that never get pressed these days. It's their way of saying thanks. They enlist producers that know these tunes will have a very limited, exclusive run. The pressings are incredibly sought after and sell quickly. The producers line up for it because its special. Just this week, they released a beautiful box set LP with 20 tunes, marble vinyl, fantastic artwork... The works. They also ended up caving and releasing it digitally because they knew some asshole would rip it. That, IMO, sucks. "Who cares about the artists anyway?" You should. You wouldn't have shit without the people that make the actual tunes. I just hate that attitude. You're a disc jockey. You're not an artist. You're not expressive. You play other people's music. I do too and I love it. The difference is that I have no delusions of grandeur. I'll get off my high horse. That post just really bothered me. It's funny, I just watched this video then read your post. DJing isn't an art form/not expressive/not grand?? Tell that to this guy Anyway to add, vinyl rips are fine if done well. If you know you won't be playing at venues with turntables very often go ahead and rip them. If there are turntables at most venues I would take the records with me and just play them as is. Most vinyl rips I've heard have 'ok' to 'bad' sound quality compared to a good condition record. IMO if you are planning on buying records go the DVS route and buy some direct drive tt's. You'll be able to play your WAV's/mp3's and your records you pay hard earned cash for! Seems like a bit of a waste ripping them and leaving them on a shelf.
Margie Pavell 02.10.2013	such poor attitudes from people who's responsibility is to make people dance...
Lina Rawie 02.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p I wrote a whole paragraph about it in this thread. Why do you believe they have vinyl only releases? Where's the paragraph that you wrote about this? You wrote a paragraph about a label you know that originally put out vinyl-only releases, then they started putting out digital releases because they knew that someone would rip the records and put them online for people to pirate. I'm not talking about piracy though. I'm talking about me buying a record, ripping it, then playing the rip at a gig instead of playing the record itself. You didn't write anything about that other than claiming it's the case. I'm claiming it's not the case, simply because there is no evidence of it at all - not even you have posted any.
Sonja Roybal 02.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma I have never seen the act of buying a record, ripping it, then playing the ripped file, called "disrespectful" before. I still don't even understand why that would ever be the case, considering it begins with "buying the record". Is there an example of a producer saying "if you buy my record, only play the actual record at gigs, not a rip of it that you made!" anywhere? I wrote a whole paragraph about it in this thread. Why do you believe they have vinyl only releases?
Lina Rawie 02.10.2013	I have never seen the act of buying a record, ripping it, then playing the ripped file, called "disrespectful" before. I still don't even understand why that would ever be the case, considering it begins with "buying the record". Is there an example of a producer saying "if you buy my record, only play the actual record at gigs, not a rip of it that you made!" anywhere?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 02.10.2013	That's a bit dramatic. Everyone isn't exploiting it. The few people that would wish to rip something 'that' limited are hardly likely to be the kind of person that sticks it up on some torrent. This topic is bananas. I get the sentiment about disrespecting the artist but it's kinda disrespectful to believe that the djs that do rip are gonna use the rips in an exploitative way. Playing the damn tune is not disrespectful,quite the opposite.
Hellen Mindrup 02.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy I know that, I am producing music! But where I'm from, if your set stands out it's easy to get another set elsewhere! Maybe put yourself in their shoes. You have a special idea and everyone just exploits the fuck out of it, etc.
Wynell Muma 02.10.2013	I know that, I am producing music! But where I'm from, if your set stands out it's easy to get another set elsewhere!
Sonja Roybal 02.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy This quote is ridiculous, obviously I want to make more money or get better gigs? If I can rip vinyl and play out unique tunes that get me playing in bigger clubs then I'm going to take that opportunity... and before you say anything like oh you're doing it for the wrong reason, I love djing and I want to improve my own mixes for my own pleasure however you are restricted with digital, and it's true! If you start ripping tunes you'll build up a pretty impressive catalogue anyway so you can just begin bringing your vinyl... therefore no one is complaining! However to get to that point, ripping seems like a perfect idea You're not going to get gigs by playing unique tunes. You're going to get gigs by making your own tunes or kissing the right ass. That's reality in 2013. Technology has made adequate dj'ing so easy, dj's are a dime a dozen. You have to produce. You might as well start having more respect for producers now.
Wynell Muma 02.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p This is why I absolutely can't stand "dj culture." It's the entitlement people have as the make money with somebody else's music. This quote is ridiculous, obviously I want to make more money or get better gigs? If I can rip vinyl and play out unique tunes that get me playing in bigger clubs then I'm going to take that opportunity... and before you say anything like oh you're doing it for the wrong reason, I love djing and I want to improve my own mixes for my own pleasure however you are restricted with digital, and it's true! If you start ripping tunes you'll build up a pretty impressive catalogue anyway so you can just begin bringing your vinyl... therefore no one is complaining! However to get to that point, ripping seems like a perfect idea

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