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Is ripping vinyl worth it? Posted on: 30.09.2013 by Wynell Muma Hey guys, not posted in awhile! Got a question that needs answering! So I can spend ages looking at various underground music sites and listen to so many obscure techno/house tracks that I'd love to play out. Only problem is they're on vinyl only! I have some shitty Numark TT1610's which are really shitty belt driven turntables so I don't bother mixing with them or buying that many vinyls however I did wonder... Would it be worth me buying vinyl's and then ripping them to WAV? Or would it lose a lot of sound quality? I want to rip some big tunes so I can play them out on decent speakers and I don't really want shitty quality tracks! I have a mate who has proper 1210's so I could use his turntables to rip tunes as I know mine wouldn't be of much use? Plus I get to experience all the fun of going record shopping! Anyone on here do this? I would love to talk to someone about it. I believe doing this with vinyl would separate myself from djs who just buy tracks online? Plus my collection would build up and one day I could just bring my vinyl along to a club and play out straight away!
nayit ruiz jaramillo 08.10.2013	Originally Posted by LoopCat I feel like ripping someone a 'new one' Fixed that LoopCat
Hellen Mindrup 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy no, I don't need to ask people how good it is going to be, I just said I'd send him the results on one track because he said it'll sound shit... That'll show 'em.
Wynell Muma 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by SirReal Does that mean you're going to upload your vinyl rips for people to "check the quality"? That might be in bad form. no, I don't need to ask people how good it is going to be, I just said I'd send him the results on one track because he said it'll sound shit...
Antonetta Wikel 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy I'll link you my results when I do it then Does that mean you're going to upload your vinyl rips for people to "check the quality"? That might be in bad form.
Edwardo Rothenberger 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos http://cassettestoreday.com/stores "Music sounds great on cassette. I have a big collection of original albums on cassette from artists like Dylan, The Rolling Stones, Maceo Plex, The Byrds, CJ Bolland, MC5 & Suicide. I also have great compilation tapes I made to play on Primal Scream tours. Cassette is a cool medium to listen to music on. Warm and fat. Good Bottom end. Yeah! X" - Bobbie Gillespie 2013 I record my vinyl onto cassette and then rip it from cassette to play on Traktor. Becomes impossible to beatgrid. Sure shows them guys who use the sync button.
Sonja Roybal 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy you just destroyed him He destroyed me by giving his opinion? I presented my opinion. I provided evidence of a label that doesn't want their tunes being ripped. "Vinyl exclusive." I said my piece.
Wynell Muma 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Throughout this thread you've been telling people not to rip vinyl that they own so they can play the rips because according to you it's "disrespectful" to labels and producers, so you are speaking for labels and producers. Why you're doing that, I don't know. The only thing you've put forth as evidence is one conversation you supposedly had with a label owner who didn't even say anything that backs you up. But he couldn't say anything that backs you up anyway, because he's not even putting out vinyl-only releases, lol. You said yourself that they also put out digital versions of their tracks. So now you're left with "but why would labels have vinyl-only releases?", but implying that the only possible answer to that is "because they don't want people who buy their records to ever rip them as they want them to play the actual record each time" is just you making things up again. How does putting out a vinyl-only release stop someone from ripping the vinyl for their own use anyway??? What you're saying isn't even logical. Labels and producers would not give a fuck if you bought their record, ripped it and played the rip. Why would they? You bought their fucking record. You showed them respect by saying "here's my money". You didn't put the rip online so other people could pirate it. Only an absolute tool would say "you're disrespecting me by playing that rip bro" and a person like that isn't worth listening to anyway. Neither are you. End of conversation. you just destroyed him
Tesha Freudenstein 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by UncleFunky This point has been made a few times and it's worth noting that dance music producers aren't anything without the DJ's either. Their song won't go far without any club play. It's a symbiotic relationship. i'd say we need them more than they need us. sure, there are mutual benefits, but the producer would exist even if the DJ didn't. to the original question: absolutely. there are tracks that have never been released in a digital format and if you want the best of both worlds (the feeling of owning a finite peace of music and the ability of playing it on a DVS without carrying your precious hard copy around) it doesn't get much better.
Nedra Fresneda 08.10.2013	Now if everyone could drop the youtube comment attitude and move back to a constructive discussion it would be great. Spare the rest from your personal disputes.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 08.10.2013	Originally Posted by LoopCat I feel like ripping someone a 'new one' Fixed that LoopCat
Ming Devis 08.10.2013	I feel like ripping some vinyl
Wei Deschryver 06.10.2013	While the technics Sl's are good DJ decks I'd suggest something a bit more exotic if you want to get the most out of your vinyl. Although I've just upgraded my sound card I believe that that is slightly less important but not irrelevant . Also if great importance is the format you choose to end up with. A decision I am still making but I can tell you my master copies in 24bit 96khz Wav are astounding. A note here for some reason 2step garage is fussier about the quality of mp3 format than most other types of music probably because it is busy musically. White labels and promos never come out great but they are ok . Official releases are however excellent ripping material. For instance I have artful dodger please don't turn me on , in both vinyl and CD. I Prefer the quality of the Rip than the CD itself. I'm not one of these guys that likes vinyl just because it is vinyl. However my ear prefers the end result of vinyl conversation than the clinical cd. For what it's worth I'm looking to end up with 320kbs , 16bit, 48khz , CBR. I am allowing my vinyls more dynamic headroom than my cd rips which are only done to 44.1khz. As I feel they have more to offer. This is however subjective
Hellen Mindrup 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy no, I don't need to ask people how good it is going to be, I just said I'd send him the results on one track because he said it'll sound shit... That'll show 'em.
Antonetta Wikel 06.10.2013	Ahhh, ok. My bad.
Wynell Muma 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by SirReal Does that mean you're going to upload your vinyl rips for people to "check the quality"? That might be in bad form. no, I don't need to ask people how good it is going to be, I just said I'd send him the results on one track because he said it'll sound shit...
Antonetta Wikel 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy I'll link you my results when I do it then Does that mean you're going to upload your vinyl rips for people to "check the quality"? That might be in bad form.
Wynell Muma 06.10.2013	I'll link you my results when I do it then
nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.10.2013	^^Awesome^^
Edwardo Rothenberger 06.10.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos http://cassettestoreday.com/stores "Music sounds great on cassette. I have a big collection of original albums on cassette from artists like Dylan, The Rolling Stones, Maceo Plex, The Byrds, CJ Bolland, MC5 & Suicide. I also have great compilation tapes I made to play on Primal Scream tours. Cassette is a cool medium to listen to music on. Warm and fat. Good Bottom end. Yeah! X" - Bobbie Gillespie 2013 I record my vinyl onto cassette and then rip it from cassette to play on Traktor. Becomes impossible to beatgrid. Sure shows them guys who use the sync button.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 05.10.2013	http://cassettestoreday.com/stores
Edwardo Rothenberger 05.10.2013	Yeah, I know a guy who has a label. He released some really cool stuff. He wanted to keep it really exclusive, so he only released it on cassette. That way no-one could play it. It kept it really niche and cool. That's the way he wanted it. He said he wanted hardly anyone to hear it. If he did he would have obviously released it on CD and download. He said he would rather no-one played his music than release it on digital, or have anyone rip it. That's why I didn't buy it, or try to rip it. I respected his vision.
Sonja Roybal 05.10.2013	Btw, I'd be surprised if your rips don't come out sounding like shit. They usually do.
Sonja Roybal 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by MeetsMandy you just destroyed him He destroyed me by giving his opinion? I presented my opinion. I provided evidence of a label that doesn't want their tunes being ripped. "Vinyl exclusive." I said my piece.
Wynell Muma 05.10.2013	anyway, I was pretty shocked to see how this thread has spiralled off into this debate. Don't worry I'm not ripping to upload to torrent sites, I believe most people who own vinyl are madly into music and wouldn't want to share it! what would they get out of it? I'm going to start ripping this next weekend!
Wynell Muma 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Throughout this thread you've been telling people not to rip vinyl that they own so they can play the rips because according to you it's "disrespectful" to labels and producers, so you are speaking for labels and producers. Why you're doing that, I don't know. The only thing you've put forth as evidence is one conversation you supposedly had with a label owner who didn't even say anything that backs you up. But he couldn't say anything that backs you up anyway, because he's not even putting out vinyl-only releases, lol. You said yourself that they also put out digital versions of their tracks. So now you're left with "but why would labels have vinyl-only releases?", but implying that the only possible answer to that is "because they don't want people who buy their records to ever rip them as they want them to play the actual record each time" is just you making things up again. How does putting out a vinyl-only release stop someone from ripping the vinyl for their own use anyway??? What you're saying isn't even logical. Labels and producers would not give a fuck if you bought their record, ripped it and played the rip. Why would they? You bought their fucking record. You showed them respect by saying "here's my money". You didn't put the rip online so other people could pirate it. Only an absolute tool would say "you're disrespecting me by playing that rip bro" and a person like that isn't worth listening to anyway. Neither are you. End of conversation. you just destroyed him
Tesha Freudenstein 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by UncleFunky This point has been made a few times and it's worth noting that dance music producers aren't anything without the DJ's either. Their song won't go far without any club play. It's a symbiotic relationship. i'd say we need them more than they need us. sure, there are mutual benefits, but the producer would exist even if the DJ didn't. to the original question: absolutely. there are tracks that have never been released in a digital format and if you want the best of both worlds (the feeling of owning a finite peace of music and the ability of playing it on a DVS without carrying your precious hard copy around) it doesn't get much better.
Desire Piedmont 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p None of us are anything without the producers. This point has been made a few times and it's worth noting that dance music producers aren't anything without the DJ's either. Their song won't go far without any club play. It's a symbiotic relationship.
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by D-Kem Right to get this thread back to point " is ripping vinyl worth it"? Absolutely! The biggest factor for me is practice. I don't want to ruin my precious, limited slab. I'd rather rip a WAV and use DVS for practice. My lovely piece of vinyl stays on the shelf fresh for the gig. For this reason alone ripping is priceless. Good logic. 10/10
Lauretta Ehrhorn 04.10.2013	Right to get this thread back to point " is ripping vinyl worth it"? Absolutely! The biggest factor for me is practice. I don't want to ruin my precious, limited slab. I'd rather rip a WAV and use DVS for practice. My lovely piece of vinyl stays on the shelf fresh for the gig. For this reason alone ripping is priceless.
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma It goes without saying that a label doesn't want you to rip a record and then put it online for people to download for free. That's the same regardless of format. Releasing a record on vinyl doesn't stop piracy. That's not what b1sh0p was talking about though. He's saying that even if I never give a copy of the rip to anyone and I never sell the record, I still shouldn't do it. At that point it's all personal preference. But, you still can't argue his passion for keeping such exclusive releases in the right hands if you're truthfully doing the same thing.... Originally Posted by JBang I also just feel that, for the most part, someone who is searching high and low for that one particular tune on vinyl takes their craft pretty seriously, and isn't out to just find records and rip them so they're widely available to everyone. Good point as well.
Maryam Fevold 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by Kwal Yeah, but that's you... Who is to say that every other person ripping these doesn't just post this shit for the rest of the world to have.... You know that these people exist... It certainly can and does happen. But you gotta admit that it does create a pretty big barrier before being completely and easily available on every digital download site. I also just feel that, for the most part, someone who is searching high and low for that one particular tune on vinyl takes their craft pretty seriously, and isn't out to just find records and rip them so they're widely available to everyone.
Lakeesha Storman 04.10.2013	I'm really surprised in following this thread lightly that there has been very little, if no mention that maybe the artist or label just believe it sounds better on vinyl, and that's why it's a vinyl only release. The label/artist are likely very aware of the fact that they're limiting the availability of the record and they obviously don't care because if they were in this to make a lot more money they'd make it more openly available. So maybe many vinyl only releases are released that way just because the sound is different and the artist is trying to best preserve that. Having said that, I'm sure they're also not naive enough to believe that people are going to buy that vinyl only release and then not rip it. But even if someone does rip it and puts it on a torrent site, people are going to have to hear it first in order to know they want it. I don't know, I haven't touched a table or a record in twenty years, so what do I know? I know I haven't answered OP's original question, and so to do that I'll say, I have no idea if it's worth it to rip vinyl man.
Lina Rawie 04.10.2013	It goes without saying that a label doesn't want you to rip a record and then put it online for people to download for free. That's the same regardless of format. Releasing a record on vinyl doesn't stop piracy. That's not what b1sh0p was talking about though. He's saying that even if I never give a copy of the rip to anyone and I never sell the record, I still shouldn't do it.
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma This makes no sense though man. A song is vinyl-only. I buy it. I rip it to a FLAC file and play that at gigs instead of the original record. How is the track "less exclusive" because of that? It's not. It only becomes less exclusive if I share the rip with someone else or I sell the record on and keep the rip, not if I just use it for my own personal use and keep the record as well (which is what I always do). This doesn't really make sense either. I'm a record collector. If I have the choice of buying a 4 track limited edition 12" or paying less to download the same 4 tracks as MP3s, I'm taking the 12" every time. So, saying "why waste the money in pressings?" implies that people would choose the cheaper MP3s and they wouldn't sell copies of the vinyl, but that's just not true. That's not the record buyer's mentality. I buy a lot of limited pressings, but IMO, a lot of them are kept limited solely to inflate the price and get more money out of people. I bought a 4 track 12" the other day and it cost
Lina Rawie 05.10.2013	Originally Posted by Kwal One would imagine that the sole purpose of their vinyl only release was to keep the track exclusive... This makes no sense though man. A song is vinyl-only. I buy it. I rip it to a FLAC file and play that at gigs instead of the original record. How is the track "less exclusive" because of that? It's not. It only becomes less exclusive if I share the rip with someone else or I sell the record on and keep the rip, not if I just use it for my own personal use and keep the record as well (which is what I always do). Originally Posted by Kwal (Why waste the extra money in pressings?) This doesn't really make sense either. I'm a record collector. If I have the choice of buying a 4 track limited edition 12" or paying less to download the same 4 tracks as MP3s, I'm taking the 12" every time. So, saying "why waste the money in pressings?" implies that people would choose the cheaper MP3s and they wouldn't sell copies of the vinyl, but that's just not true. That's not the record buyer's mentality. I buy a lot of limited pressings, but IMO, a lot of them are kept limited solely to inflate the price and get more money out of people. I bought a 4 track 12" the other day and it cost
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Assuming that the label/producer of a vinyl-only track would see it as disrespectful if you were to buy their record and rip it for your own use is baseless. It's like assuming that if you buy a CD that isn't available as digital downloads, that ripping that is disrespectful as they didn't offer digital downloads for a reason. One would imagine that the sole purpose of their vinyl only release was to keep the track exclusive... What you decide with it once you buy it is something that they can't dictate.. Do they expect it to get ripped? Yes. Was that their intention? Probably not. (Why waste the extra money in pressings?) Also, you can't compare Cds to records man.... Anyone who sells CDs at this day and age offers their music digitally.. Unless they're some kind of half assed, one man show who sells discs at your local swap meet. Apples to oranges, etc. I haven't followed this thread in a detailed manner, but that's my two cents.
Edwardo Rothenberger 04.10.2013	It's handbags at dawn again
Lina Rawie 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by Kwal Yeah, I agree with him. He's doing a good job defending his points. He really isn't, as he hasn't offered a single defence for his point other than "because I say so". The sole anecdote he posted was irrelevant and there are multiple reasons for bringing out vinyl-only releases. Assuming that the label/producer of a vinyl-only track would see it as disrespectful if you were to buy their record and rip it for your own use is baseless. It's like assuming that if you buy a CD that isn't available as digital downloads, that ripping that is disrespectful as they didn't offer digital downloads for a reason.
Hellen Mindrup 04.10.2013	Originally Posted by sarasin LOL, you embarrassing yourself mate... That's a cute little story you're telling yourself right now.
Lilliana Perris 04.10.2013	LOL, you embarrassing yourself mate...

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