Why old school DJs are complainging and you should too
Why old school DJs are complainging and you should too Posted on: 20.05.2012 by Margie Pavell a good little editorial...sums up how alot of us feel...http://notyourjukebox.com/2012/05/19...ou-should-too/ | |
| Monroe Vandeslunt 22.05.2012 | I dunno why people get so aggravated about this stuff. We play other peoples music... The rise in popularity of the "DJ" is pretty much driven by people who want the sort of BS that the blog was against. Telling fresh talent that this is bad and then telling them to do what the kids want is totally contradictory. |
| Lilliana Perris 22.05.2012 | "While Hilton has spent her spare time spinning for years at private parties for friends or hanging around her boyfriend's DJ booth, this is her first foray into playing club and festival gigs." What?....YEars spinning? Sitting and spinning maybe... |
| Lilliana Perris 22.05.2012 | Annnnnd there it is..... http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/par...-(yes,-really) |
| Rosenda Gossage 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by sobi
You're half right, though, this has been happening ever since recorded music existed. And each and every time it happens, nothing changes. Good music keeps getting made, and commercially sucessful music keeps being commercially successful. There is no point, future or reason to rail against it. See also: Chickenshit Conformist - Dead Kennedys. |
| Dannielle Dingey 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by extrct.
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| Jaleesa Zheng 21.05.2012 | hmmm... |
| Dannielle Dingey 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by ExTrCt.
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| Jaleesa Zheng 21.05.2012 | Someone who is old and has arthritis? |
| Dannielle Dingey 21.05.2012 | What is an old school dj ? This whole thread is ridiculous, for 99% this is a hobby...so at least try/pretend to have some fun and don't take this to serious. ...unless you are aiming for the stars (then carry on) |
| Lela Umanskaya 21.05.2012 | Big Bad Ghetta is gonna kill da howse muziiic zomg! |
| Darren Teboe 21.05.2012 | I'd have to add to the topic, that we all risk to lose from larger acts and various other vultures exploiting the popularity of the music. That, my friends, is why this dead horse should keep being beat. This happened once before in the disco era. I guess I should say at the end of it. Disco was absurdly hot, the vultures circled and took advantage to make as much money as they could, and the end game was a backlash that basically all but killed the genre. Now I know that was a good thing for all of us, because it placed a stigma on the genre, drove it underground, and triggered a metamorphosis that mutated it into modern house music. That being said, I don't want to see the same thing happen again with this iteration. |
| Tera Baragan 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Gina Promes 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
lol! |
| Nannette Doniger 21.05.2012 | This whole pre-recorded to sync with the pyro and light show thing, I was always of the assumption it was the techs and the engineers job to keep the visuals and stuff in sync with the dj's music??? With the exemption of VDJ's obviously |
| Jaleesa Zheng 21.05.2012 | Its shocking that these celebs are trying to be djs..... They have the money so they will just pay people to teach them. Lil john should stick with Rap, paris hilton a dj???? like what the fuck..... She's dating afrojack... like this is a shame to the world... Just bieber? like wow..... Its a bit frustrating. They do whatever to stay in the spotlight thats not what dj'ing is about at all. |
| Onie Sarandos 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Erich Vallabhaneni 22.05.2012 | I totally agree with this man. No more Paris Hiltons! |
| Natalia Bucko 22.05.2012 | What the hell? What a bunch of poorly-written drivel! He's said nothing new at all, he's just jumping on the "old school DJ bandwagon", and making the same points that other people have made, except he does it while sounding like a special needs student. What point is he even trying to make? There are three main statements, the second two are redundant to the point that it's not worth discussing them any more, and the first is the same tired argument that everyone seems to be believeing half-way through... Except he actually thought further into it and completely invalidated it several times IN THE SAME ARTICLE. He's trying to claim that DJ/Producers are chasing gimmicks and playing pre-recorded sets, and that's unacceptable... But then totally invalidates it by saying: "Seriously though, producers either need to put on a live show like Orbital, Daft Punk, Chuck Love, etc., or develop actual DJ skills before they step on stage. " What? Daft punk dresses up as fucking robots and play in a giant light pyramid, and play pre-recorded sets with some live non rhythm-affecting live tweaking. What, so it's okay for them to do it, because they're awesome and we all love them? No, the point is that it's all a gradiation, and it's not worth drawing a line anywhere and getting cranky about it. He then goes on to say: "I also know playing pre-recorded sets is nothing new and has been a ‘necessity’ now and then for DJ’s playing evening ly on tour (not that I approve), but to use this as a default is unacceptable." WTF? So... What, it's okay to do it every once in a while, but if you do it all the time you're an asshole? What are you gonna do, follow DJ/producers around and count how often they cheat? People like this are just making us all sound like cranky blathering idiots that don't know what we're mad about. |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by jfd6812
Big acts have been playing with pyro since the 70s……with real instruments. Both the musicians and the pyro techs have the ability to at least alter the speed of what's happening. It's not "just press play" on either side. And the pryo doesn't have to be computerized. You can do it in real time if you want. Lights are the same way. And, yeah…there can be problems. James Hetfield almost lost his arm. Michael Jackson became white. Whatever. Shit happens when you play with fire. If you really want to sync that shit more than actually being aware of your surroundings, run a metronome and have both the pyro techs and the DJ syncing to it. |
| Onie Sarandos 22.05.2012 | I don't believe its the end of the world. Assuming that it would be necessary to pre-mix that portion in order to sync the lights and pyro (for safety, accuracy, etc.), sure. They're giving they're fans what they paid to see. It's a different kind of show, with plenty of people who are into it. Doesn't mean anybody has to like it if they don't. Now, if they pre-mixed the whole thing, that, to me, is going too far, even for this reason. All about balance. |
| Margie Pavell 22.05.2012 | is that acceptable? |
| Onie Sarandos 22.05.2012 | The closest thing ive ever heard to an acceptable excuse for planning to play even a short pre-mixed portion of a set (not talking about emergency crash situations) was after the Steve Angello/Dance Valley brouhaha last year. The excuse given was that the finale is pre-mixed so that the pyro and fireworks can be synced to the music. Don't know if that's legit, but it sounds plausible. |
| Margie Pavell 21.05.2012 | let's not forget they used to unplug Brian Wilson's (of the Beach Boys) keyboards all the time... it's not an old school v. new school thing... if you are going to call yourself a DJ please be one and yes there is a code... |
| Lilliana Perris 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Its his JOB...he best fucking do it! Or take on less work. |
| Dorie Scelzo 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Woah
And we're not just talking like…the shit you get on beatport or whitelabel.net, the blue scholars that blew up on the internet or the slightly off the beaten path stuff like when a friend was afraid to play lady soverign and shasty at a party, believeing it was too late to get away with it, in 2005. I'm talking about that and the mixtapes (well…cds) you buy for $4 on street corners. There's a lot of crap in the mainstream, just like with the dance that all came out of house. But there seem to be a lot more hip hop gems in that rough than there are in the current breed of electro/dubstep EDM headliners.
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
The fact that the monkeys used to just play studio tracks on stage or that some of the big punk bands had members so wasted that they didn't know that roadies were playing their parts backstage isn't an excuse. When the shit hits the fan or you realize you're about to have a riot when the fans realize their idols are crap…you do what you have to do to get through the gig. You don't make it standard practice. Accepting this shit just makes it okay. |
| Romelia Stankard 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by sarasin
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| Devora Chait 21.05.2012 | You have DJ's and DJ's. I mean you can't compare people like Swedish house mafia, to someone like Ritchie hawtin. I never gotten too much into house because I was told Swedish house mafia was actual house so I never bothered. After listening to some other house tracks I'm actually in love. I believe the label is slapped onto almost anything EDM with a beat. I consider Swedish house mafia, skrillex and other shit pop, yes they RESEMBLE certain styles but in the end it's just commercial pop music. Just like a few years ago hip-hop was all that, still, the commercial hip-hop was VERY different compaired to actual, decent hip-hop. Pop music is made to attract the masses, generally the people that don't care too much about the music and just want to be able to say "yo dude lowl I saw tiesto!". So my advice if you LOVE music and have a passion for it, seek out other artists, avoid the mainstream, dig a little bit deeper, and the quality of the music will go up tremendously. Myself I'm going to festivals this year with small names I have never heard of. You know why? They AREN'T there for the masses and EVERY time I go to such places those DJ's put on a ffing amazing set and try their absolute best. Add to that I pay like 20-30 euro's less. |
| Jaye Walkington 21.05.2012 | AGREED!! although i am a noob, i still believe this is pretty true. |
| Lela Umanskaya 21.05.2012 | This again.... dead-horse11.jpg |
| Lilliana Perris 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
I mean, if thats his job...its his JOB! I would not be happy to pay to see a guy press play. I just would not... |
21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
Jesus Christ, some of these comments make me ashamed to be a dj. I’ve been playing for 20 years now and I hope I never sound as pretentious or idiotic as some of you. It’s playing other peoples music in a pleasing way ffs, it’s not anything that important. Don’t get me wrong, I love it like nothing else and I don’t know what I’d do if I didn’t buy tunes and play out, but does it really deserve a thousand shitty blog entries whining like little bitches about shit djs and acts that no one who is actually into the music gives a fuck about anyway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_Law <- There's some reading for you all, once you accept that into your lives you'll be happier. And as for the hate on technology you all just sound like the people shouting 'judas' at Bob Dylan for playing electric guitar in the 60s, history will make you look stupid. |
| Dorie Scelzo 21.05.2012 | I stopped reading here:
Originally Posted by the article
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| Anja Ursprung 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
Why do people have to blog so much about what they don't like? Let people do their shit. Who cares? There will always be main stream music that, we that have music as a main hobby/interest/living, believe is "shit". But there is people that don't care about music and they like when its easy, funny and crazy "bad" with flying cakes, rockets and fireworks. I don't like "american action movies", but I don't tell other how bad I believe it is. Its ok for other to like it! And, by the way Guette, tiesto, SHM etc is not taking the crowd from the "underground" music. They take crowd from other pop artist. |
| Johnetta Olewine 21.05.2012 | TBH I'm getting a bit bored with this whole old school keeping it real blog post bullshit. Look, good DJs, in whatever incarnation they may take, will always be around playing great music in various vibrant underground scenes. Guys like Sneak et al have seen multiple waves of the whole superstar DJ phenomenon happen and I get that the Deja Vu must be tiring but shit, let it go and do your thing. There are a bunch of amazing DJs and artists out there doing rad shit on a regular basis, I'm done with hearing all the whining about the the turds that are SMH and Guetta etc and I'd much rather focus on the folks doing good stuff. |
| Marguerite Salsedo 21.05.2012 | Great read. Definitely agree with a lot of what was said in that article.... Hopefully the shitstorm will soon pass so those of us who are in it 'cause we love music can go about our business. |
| Georgina Schatzman 21.05.2012 | Larry Levan at Paradise Garage? |
| Marguerite Truka 20.05.2012 | The most interesting part of this article, is where it says dj's used to play music to make it hits now people play hits to make themselfs successful. I believe the best example of this is from the disco days where a very famous club in new york started playing this B side I will survive. That DJ's song selection spread across the world. Turning a Bside into an A side then a world wide hit |
| Halley Wurzer 20.05.2012 | 100 agreed. tweeted. thank you. |
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