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Clearing up the deadmau5 DJ thing

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Clearing up the deadmau5 DJ thing Posted on: 23.06.2012 by Linda Chavda http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2569...e-all-hit-play There was a discussion on this in the him on pauly d thread a week or two back and people were complaining, this clears it up for me and I can't help but agree.
Romelia Stankard 02.07.2012	Originally Posted by elliot1106 http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2634...vious-solution Very interesting, thoughts? Does anyone really care what he has to say? Ok great he is going on a long rant about plans to make some elaborate dual live setup just to stroke his own ego so he can look down at everyone else some more. " just like it doesnt WORK when you play 2 songs at the same time. you run into all SORTS of shit when you start “mixing” mastered tracks… phase cancellation, timming issues (if you still cant count to 4) , shit EQ job mashed up with another shit EQ job… the list just goes on and on… but thats another story." Sure joel, even if you build two studios on stage your live set still isn't going to sound as good as a solid DJ set since it lacks structure and programming.
Norman Haraldsen 28.06.2012	Originally Posted by squidot i don't really like the personalities of people like kanye west or deadmau5 and i generally gravitate to people who are more humble about their craft. the best musicians (artists/creators/athletes/etc) in the world tend to know their limitations intimately and feel like they always have much more to learn. once you believe you are the greatest, there is no place for you to go but down. most of the time these people don't get big enough to have an outlet to constantly create negativity in the mainstream, but when it ends up happening it really turns me off about the person since i have no choice but to recognize that quality in them. i usually don't take the time to even bother writing anything about them anywhere and tend to not give them a second thought...which includes never buying any product they have to offer. all people are free to their own opinion regardless of how controversial it is, but they have to be ready to accept the consequences of alienating so many people so consistently. Not really, look at Mozart, Beethoven, Picasso... need I name more?
Jerica Salava 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by keithace apparently you don't go see many DJs... i've seen (up close) Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Lawler etc...not one of them has just "pushed play and fiddled with the FX"... no one really cares about the sync debate anymore... I agree those dudes are some bad ass MF's. >
Shery Bergson 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Yeah, it's everyone else's fault for interpreting your sweeping generalizations and broad rants for exactly what they were. About that controllerism comment, he said this to me over twitter several days ago before he posted that follow up thing on tumblr. SoyOllin @deadmau5 there is skill in picking tracks and putting a great set together you must admit to that. What about turntablism and controllerism? 22 Jun deadmau5 ‏@SoyOllin boringism. Just seems he is just trying to cover up his ass, he bit off more than he could chew and now he is getting his ass handed to him by his own peers. Which is worse than it getting done by fans to be honest, he is the only one really up in arms about all this. He should just let his work do the talking for him, because recently his music hasn't been great at all (IMO).
Margie Pavell 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Hackysac seems like everyones getting #butthurt ahahahaahaha...but seriously...i understand both sides...hes a dick and he knows it and isnt afraid to spout off because lets face it, 97% of the people at his shows and buy his music that paid for his giant studio apt are not djs. theyre everyday people that like electronic music. I like his music and will go to his shows for the atmosphere and *im glad he came out and confirmed what i already knew to be true...that most performing dj's just press play and then mess with the effects*...they are producers first and "Djs" second so. Now one thing I agree with most is his stance on beat matching...I feel the same way...who you can count to 4 and adjust the pitch until it matches up. Now before you get all #butthurt yes i know it takes time to learn how to do it effectively(and yes i can do it as i mix off cdjs w/ no laptop) the concept is still elementary. I run into all the time as i was really the first dj in my town to utilize controllers, other midi centered gear and the oh so taboo sync button. everyother dj used vinyls running serato and made fun of me and boasted how hard their "trade" was compared to my "sync button". until one of my friends(serato dj) told me that he gets paid more cause he has the "Big boy gear " and it looks better but i was doing the same thing on my controller and laptop. so my opinion is...so what you spin vinyl but youre still watching a waveform just like i am(was) get with the times and just support your other local djs instead of hating on them because theyre not "old school" like you believe you are...welp im done and im sorry if i just kinda rambled on...one last time #butthurt apparently you don't go see many DJs... i've seen (up close) Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Lawler etc...not one of them has just "pushed play and fiddled with the FX"... no one really cares about the sync debate anymore...
May Artman 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says I'm with Xone. I haven't seen one great ableton "live show" yet. That's including Deadmau5's which I got dragged to in the fall. It was actually pretty standard and would much rather have seen a great DJ set. I would agree that I've never heard an amazing Ableton set, but I have seen some amazing stuff (Plastikman, Paul Van Dyk, Sub Focus). The Ableton environment is really only useful for those kind of huge shows with very elaborate but calculated performances, in my opinion. Just comparing musically, I've enjoyed Richie Hawtin DJ sets much more than the Plastikman live show, but throwing in the massive visual experience really makes it a completely different kind of show than just a musical performance. What was this thread about, again?
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says I'm with Xone. I haven't seen one great ableton "live show" yet. That's including Deadmau5's which I got dragged to in the fall. It was actually pretty standard and would much rather have seen a great DJ set. Even when I was kinda into deadmau5 and that type of music 4-5 years ago and saw him on ableton it was a snore fest and we left early. See this thread: http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=54186 Article there explains why people like deadmau5 just hit play. I'm consistently blown away by great DJs though who do so much more- and I'm not talking about any fancy controllerism or live elements or any of that, just great DJs.
May Artman 02.07.2012	As much as I'd love to believe that's going to work out and create an interesting "live" setup... I really doubt anything different will come of it. Honestly, his sets were more interactive when he just had a 3D and a laptop. The mountain pf gear he has on stage now is just too much to really use. Seems like he's just knee-jerk reacting to the feedback on the "we all press play" thing.
Romelia Stankard 02.07.2012	Originally Posted by elliot1106 http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2634...vious-solution Very interesting, thoughts? Does anyone really care what he has to say? Ok great he is going on a long rant about plans to make some elaborate dual live setup just to stroke his own ego so he can look down at everyone else some more. " just like it doesnt WORK when you play 2 songs at the same time. you run into all SORTS of shit when you start “mixing” mastered tracks… phase cancellation, timming issues (if you still cant count to 4) , shit EQ job mashed up with another shit EQ job… the list just goes on and on… but thats another story." Sure joel, even if you build two studios on stage your live set still isn't going to sound as good as a solid DJ set since it lacks structure and programming.
Linda Chavda 02.07.2012	http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2634...vious-solution Very interesting, thoughts?
Norman Haraldsen 28.06.2012	Originally Posted by squidot i don't really like the personalities of people like kanye west or deadmau5 and i generally gravitate to people who are more humble about their craft. the best musicians (artists/creators/athletes/etc) in the world tend to know their limitations intimately and feel like they always have much more to learn. once you believe you are the greatest, there is no place for you to go but down. most of the time these people don't get big enough to have an outlet to constantly create negativity in the mainstream, but when it ends up happening it really turns me off about the person since i have no choice but to recognize that quality in them. i usually don't take the time to even bother writing anything about them anywhere and tend to not give them a second thought...which includes never buying any product they have to offer. all people are free to their own opinion regardless of how controversial it is, but they have to be ready to accept the consequences of alienating so many people so consistently. Not really, look at Mozart, Beethoven, Picasso... need I name more?
Linda Chavda 28.06.2012	http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/a-g...-rat-head-fuck We have another reply article... I dont understand all of this one
Jerica Salava 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by keithace apparently you don't go see many DJs... i've seen (up close) Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Lawler etc...not one of them has just "pushed play and fiddled with the FX"... no one really cares about the sync debate anymore... I agree those dudes are some bad ass MF's. >
Shery Bergson 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Yeah, it's everyone else's fault for interpreting your sweeping generalizations and broad rants for exactly what they were. About that controllerism comment, he said this to me over twitter several days ago before he posted that follow up thing on tumblr. SoyOllin @deadmau5 there is skill in picking tracks and putting a great set together you must admit to that. What about turntablism and controllerism? 22 Jun deadmau5 ‏@SoyOllin boringism. Just seems he is just trying to cover up his ass, he bit off more than he could chew and now he is getting his ass handed to him by his own peers. Which is worse than it getting done by fans to be honest, he is the only one really up in arms about all this. He should just let his work do the talking for him, because recently his music hasn't been great at all (IMO).
Margie Pavell 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Hackysac seems like everyones getting #butthurt ahahahaahaha...but seriously...i understand both sides...hes a dick and he knows it and isnt afraid to spout off because lets face it, 97% of the people at his shows and buy his music that paid for his giant studio apt are not djs. theyre everyday people that like electronic music. I like his music and will go to his shows for the atmosphere and *im glad he came out and confirmed what i already knew to be true...that most performing dj's just press play and then mess with the effects*...they are producers first and "Djs" second so. Now one thing I agree with most is his stance on beat matching...I feel the same way...who you can count to 4 and adjust the pitch until it matches up. Now before you get all #butthurt yes i know it takes time to learn how to do it effectively(and yes i can do it as i mix off cdjs w/ no laptop) the concept is still elementary. I run into all the time as i was really the first dj in my town to utilize controllers, other midi centered gear and the oh so taboo sync button. everyother dj used vinyls running serato and made fun of me and boasted how hard their "trade" was compared to my "sync button". until one of my friends(serato dj) told me that he gets paid more cause he has the "Big boy gear " and it looks better but i was doing the same thing on my controller and laptop. so my opinion is...so what you spin vinyl but youre still watching a waveform just like i am(was) get with the times and just support your other local djs instead of hating on them because theyre not "old school" like you believe you are...welp im done and im sorry if i just kinda rambled on...one last time #butthurt apparently you don't go see many DJs... i've seen (up close) Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Lawler etc...not one of them has just "pushed play and fiddled with the FX"... no one really cares about the sync debate anymore...
May Artman 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says I'm with Xone. I haven't seen one great ableton "live show" yet. That's including Deadmau5's which I got dragged to in the fall. It was actually pretty standard and would much rather have seen a great DJ set. I would agree that I've never heard an amazing Ableton set, but I have seen some amazing stuff (Plastikman, Paul Van Dyk, Sub Focus). The Ableton environment is really only useful for those kind of huge shows with very elaborate but calculated performances, in my opinion. Just comparing musically, I've enjoyed Richie Hawtin DJ sets much more than the Plastikman live show, but throwing in the massive visual experience really makes it a completely different kind of show than just a musical performance. What was this thread about, again?
Glennis Bischoff 27.06.2012	personally, i dont really like deadmau5 as a person/producer. but there is no doubt that his tracks can pump a dance floor. thats where i as a dj have to side with him. he can make a beat that i can play and will rock my floor for that 5 minutes or so. that much i cannot deny. as for his stance on the EDM scene... its pretty true as well. its become way to glamorized. too much commercial influance and people jumping on for the cash involved. as for his bashing of dj's and local "non-producers", i dont really care. its an opinion, and he isnt the only one in the world who believes that. he may be part of his own argument, but at least he is putting a crack in the wall of secrecy about it. the EDM scene needs to change, and Deadmau5 is in that argument as well. there needs to be a swing and decline in it because at this rate... its only a product, no longer art. even if you dont like a performer, (Deadmau5/paullyD) , you still have the ability to agree with them sometimes. if they were sitting with you at a bar and said that murdering your parents was a bad thing, you probably would agree. but it seems here if they posted that online, you would oppose them and say the opposite because of the source. TLR i dont like the person writing the material, but the material is undeniably true.
Onie Sarandos 27.06.2012	I actually liked his post. He's basically being pretty open, honest and self-deprecating about what he does onstage. And he's right: thousands of people DO go to his shows to see the light show and to hear his greatest hits. And he get's paid big time for it. And I'm sure he's right that alot of the "top DJ's in the world" are doing little more than that when they headline festivals, etc. But, of course, he's wrong about a bunch of stuff too. Beat matching IS a skill. Otherwise, everyone would do it. Speaking as someone who grew up trying to beat match, i know how much practice it would take me to keep that skill up. He grew up in a different time when it's not strictly necessary. When I first started to DJ (late 90s) you had to beat-match, and getting the tracks matched was half the fun, and it felt awesome when you got it off perfect (i almost don't even consider track selection-of course you need to pick 2 tracks that sound good together). And, he's obviously wrong in that there are plenty of DJ's who do amazing things live, as has already been pointed out. And, I do believe its interesting that he seems to care so much. If he really was just an egotistical ass, would he even care? He seems to come out periodically and defend himself, which almost makes him seem insecure about how he's perceived. He's wildly successful and doesn't really need to defend himself-i believe its kind of cool that he would spend so much time doing so, and providing what sounds like an honest insight into what he does live and why he does it. As for personal taste, yes, I do like alot of his music, although i understand taht might not be cool to admit. That's ok. If you dont like Strobe, we just have different tastes in music on that account
Romelia Stankard 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says I'm with Xone. I haven't seen one great ableton "live show" yet. That's including Deadmau5's which I got dragged to in the fall. It was actually pretty standard and would much rather have seen a great DJ set. Even when I was kinda into deadmau5 and that type of music 4-5 years ago and saw him on ableton it was a snore fest and we left early. See this thread: http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=54186 Article there explains why people like deadmau5 just hit play. I'm consistently blown away by great DJs though who do so much more- and I'm not talking about any fancy controllerism or live elements or any of that, just great DJs.
Linda Chavda 27.06.2012	10 pages later I don't believe I cleared up the deadmau5 thing
Salvatore Husley 27.06.2012	I'm with Xone. I haven't seen one great ableton "live show" yet. That's including Deadmau5's which I got dragged to in the fall. It was actually pretty standard and would much rather have seen a great DJ set.
Werner Bile 27.06.2012	phew... Well I'm glad that's all cleared up now.
Alona Durfee 26.06.2012	seems like everyones getting #butthurt ahahahaahaha...but seriously...i understand both sides...hes a dick and he knows it and isnt afraid to spout off because lets face it, 97% of the people at his shows and buy his music that paid for his giant studio apt are not djs. theyre everyday people that like electronic music. I like his music and will go to his shows for the atmosphere and im glad he came out and confirmed what i already knew to be true...that most performing dj's just press play and then mess with the effects...they are producers first and "Djs" second so. Now one thing I agree with most is his stance on beat matching...I feel the same way...who you can count to 4 and adjust the pitch until it matches up. Now before you get all #butthurt yes i know it takes time to learn how to do it effectively(and yes i can do it as i mix off cdjs w/ no laptop) the concept is still elementary. I run into all the time as i was really the first dj in my town to utilize controllers, other midi centered gear and the oh so taboo sync button. everyother dj used vinyls running serato and made fun of me and boasted how hard their "trade" was compared to my "sync button". until one of my friends(serato dj) told me that he gets paid more cause he has the "Big boy gear " and it looks better but i was doing the same thing on my controller and laptop. so my opinion is...so what you spin vinyl but youre still watching a waveform just like i am(was) get with the times and just support your other local djs instead of hating on them because theyre not "old school" like you believe you are...welp im done and im sorry if i just kinda rambled on...one last time #butthurt
Margie Pavell 26.06.2012	sounds like he got told or realized he should shut his mouth... "it's much bigger than you"
Brunilda Kora 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by Deadmau5 A couple people come to mind, sure my heart broke a little when dave clarke chimed in on my
Celine Surico 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I kind of disagree. I have yet to really be impressed with a lot of "live" sets- yet I am consistently blown away by amazing DJ sets with just a guy on two decks and amazing skills, programming, and song selection. 4 traktor decks and Maschine is about as 'live' as I've been impressed with recently. Yes but few understand the techniques behind this compared with Paris Hilton pushing buttons. While she can't exactly play any instruments, unless I'm mistaken. Or using playback.
Romelia Stankard 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by DarioJ This is interesting... http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2592...-swear-words-d I'll steal a comment on this from reddit Originally Posted by deadmau5 All im trying to do, is put on my life jacket and swim as far away from this shipwreck as fast as i can. Because in all honesty, i just wanna be in the studio, making electronic music, and expressing myself by means of sitting in a comfy chair with my cat and my gear … and of course, occaisionally strap on a foamy mau5head get on the road and press a few buttons for you guys Joel, respectfully, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO IT THEN. You can't sit there and say this, because it's not all you're trying to do. You're also trying to be this voice of superiority, because you're a giant douche bag at heart. The very same EDM scene which swept you, a mediocre producer at best, into stardom is doing it for others, and you have the audacity call it a sinking ship. You're the rat that chewed through the hydraulic lines which is why the ship starting veering for that iceberg. Sincerely, one of your oldest fans. And also in regards to this: Originally Posted by deadmau5 Im a reasonable man, and i know what “controllerism” is. i also know that there are MANY groups and individuals out there who put in serious work and effort to bring a live or CREATIVE element into EDM performance. And if you didnt know that those people were exempt from my argument, then you need to get off the boat too. Yeah, it's everyone else's fault for interpreting your sweeping generalizations and broad rants for exactly what they were.
Alfred Takala 26.06.2012	The press-players would imply people like Steve Angello? last i heard they are friends i believe? It seems like alot of his posts are self-defensive as if he feels the need to still justify his stance. If he cant accept his own reality (of what ever he is) then he has the problem and doesnt need to pour it out over the rest of us i guess.
Judi Sissel 26.06.2012	This is interesting... http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2592...-swear-words-d
Romelia Stankard 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik Kind of funny but I would rather enjoy a DJ that takes chances with live controllers and even has mistakes compared with a perfect DJ set done with the help of computers. That's the whole charm of live performance, once-in-a-lifetime unique events. So don't worry if you are no Herbie Hancock on keyboards, it's the attempt that counts. Just make the DJ event eventful. I kind of disagree. I have yet to really be impressed with a lot of "live" sets- yet I am consistently blown away by amazing DJ sets with just a guy on two decks and amazing skills, programming, and song selection. 4 traktor decks and Maschine is about as 'live' as I've been impressed with recently.
Audrey Pinda 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik I agree that for 90% of DJs there's little talent involved. The talent comes in when you have a specialized DJ set with live elements, surprising musical tweaks and so on and so on. Just doing beat matching and selecting right tracks is trivial in today's world of music. I have to say I completely disagree with you, which validates the arguments above saying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes just having a smooth, tight mix, without any fancy bonuses or extra's, is exactly what I like to hear and what I personally aim for in DJing. It's fun to get funky, once and awhile, but it's a balance thing. There's no need to having a pissing contest about it though. I disagree with you and I'm fine with it, and that's perfect as it brings all of our collective opinions on matters to light when it comes down to mixing and whatnot. I prefer a minimalistic approach, others prefer to go all out. To each their own really, and just hope it sounds great on the way out. Deadmau5 fits his niche perfectly, and I can't blame him for it. There's really no reason for everyone to get so worked up about it though. We need to stop worrying about what other people are doing, and just turn the focus back onto ourselves and how we can improve.
Shonda Soulier 26.06.2012	When it comes to critiquing a live DJ set, I believe we can all agree that sometimes things get complicated.
France Evoniuk 26.06.2012	Matt Lange > deadmau5
Celine Surico 26.06.2012	Kind of funny but I would rather enjoy a DJ that takes chances with live controllers and even has mistakes compared with a perfect DJ set done with the help of computers. That's the whole charm of live performance, once-in-a-lifetime unique events. So don't worry if you are no Herbie Hancock on keyboards, it's the attempt that counts. Just make the DJ event eventful.
Darlene Strohbeck 26.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik I agree that for 90% of DJs there's little talent involved. The talent comes in when you have a specialized DJ set with live elements, surprising musical tweaks and so on and so on. Just doing beat matching and selecting right tracks is trivial in today's world of music. Amen brother. Another important point about Deamau5 is that he looks like a crack baby. Somebody give that mutherfucka a cheeseburger dude is so skinny he looks sick.
Celine Surico 26.06.2012	I agree that for 90% of DJs there's little talent involved. The talent comes in when you have a specialized DJ set with live elements, surprising musical tweaks and so on and so on. Just doing beat matching and selecting right tracks is trivial in today's world of music.
Hiedi Sat 25.06.2012	Oh Deadmau5. I give him credit for fessing up on the blog about live performances. But it's still obvious he can't stand DJ's. Whatever man no love. I've seen him live twice (I'm a fan). I'll admit the first time was better then the last time. Funny story. This was the first year he was using the cube (mau5trap). Towards the end of the set it died on him. He then only had the choice of using the mixer/CDJ's. Yeah he played raise your weapon and ended the set. Didn't even bother trying to mix live LMAO. It's all good it was still a good time. True the second time I saw had more eye candy, but the first time around the sound selection/set created a way different experience. But one thing is for sure, as much as he is a troll (and enjoys that).... BUT he sure does let his critics get to him. He has very thin skin.
Lela Umanskaya 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by elio_xh Thanks, completely forgot that there is only ONE taste in music. Out of everything i've read on this community , whether it be sync-djing, vinyl vs digital debates, or whatnot, judging people for their taste in music seems to be the most senseless thing. How can you tell something that something that speaks to them is wrong? It's like saying "the style of art you like is wrong." What appeals to you may not appeal to someone else, and vice versa. Music is an art, whether "good" or "bad", and it's completely subjective depending on listener, you can't quantify it. Try to be open to other's opinions. /thread
Cole Maroto 25.06.2012	i don't really like the personalities of people like kanye west or deadmau5 and i generally gravitate to people who are more humble about their craft. the best musicians (artists/creators/athletes/etc) in the world tend to know their limitations intimately and feel like they always have much more to learn. once you believe you are the greatest, there is no place for you to go but down. most of the time these people don't get big enough to have an outlet to constantly create negativity in the mainstream, but when it ends up happening it really turns me off about the person since i have no choice but to recognize that quality in them. i usually don't take the time to even bother writing anything about them anywhere and tend to not give them a second thought...which includes never buying any product they have to offer. all people are free to their own opinion regardless of how controversial it is, but they have to be ready to accept the consequences of alienating so many people so consistently.
Cole Maroto 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by tokenasianguy After all, nobody wants to be a starving artist and none of us are aiming to be a mediocre success. speak for yourself man, i'm aiming directly at success level: mediocre!

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