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DJTT Mix competition - Whos got the balls? Posted on: 10.08.2012 by Lawana Spratlen Who wants to go in a head to head mix off? We can do a knockout competition and run a vote. Kinda like a mix train but a bit different. The rules (Any input welcome): 30 - 45 min Any Genre Any format ie vinyl, traktor, ableton, serato or whatever! Whos in? Put your names down and I will randomly sort out who plays against who
Rey Holubar 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by keithace You can do things in Ableton you can't do on the fly. That's what the bitch is. Like stopping in the middle and going back to do some corrections. It doesn't matter to me. Because if you don't have the creativity to dream it up, Ableton won't be able to help you. I am starting to not care either really. But maybe it would be just fair to actually note the tools used and how the mix was made? Something like Name of mix - Tools - Mix Type Like.... Bad ass mix - Traktor/ 2 controllers - Live Cool vibes - Ableton/ 1 controller - Produced This way the voters know what they are judging and can set their own judgment criteria accordingly, hopefully tightening their criteria for a produced mix and loosening them for a live one, because, and I am going to be honest here, I am not sure I could tell the difference and if one is live and sounds as good as the produced one, I will vote for it for sure. I just want to be sure there is that difference. scamo
Leeanna Ayla 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot Anything done in Ableton or a DAW can be done live. Like I said earlier, if it can be done live it counts regardless of what it's done in. Originally Posted by crakbot People are scared of what they don't understand, and clueless DJ's believe DAWs are some magical black boxes. Ableton isn't some black magic device that can do impossible things. Agree completely.
Arla Seniw 27.08.2012	Originally Posted by BFLY That's a contradiction in itself. Either people would tell its done using a daw and not vote for it, or they wouldn't notice and therefore whats the problem? Where did i say people wouldn't notice? And that adds another thing to judge... "oh this is so done with DAW so I'm not voting for it/marking it down or up" its easier to just choose one and stick to that. Which jojo has.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by mwn11 This i agree on, but because of the anonymity of the competition it would be unfair to let a DAW mix tape go against a live recording one. I have nothing against produced mix tapes but for equality in the competition it would be unfair. That's a contradiction in itself. Either people would tell its done using a daw and not vote for it, or they wouldn't notice and therefore whats the problem?
Arla Seniw 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by BFLY Its a fun competition, If I have fun putting a Mix together and spending some time on it in a DAW whats the issue? Its the rules that make things complicated. Just have 1 rule - less than 30 minutes. If people believe using a daw is cheating or against the spirit then they dont have to vote for it do they? This i agree on, but because of the anonymity of the competition it would be unfair to let a DAW mix tape go against a live recording one. I have nothing against produced mix tapes but for equality in the competition it would be unfair.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Live in one take reflects my opinion that if it takes someone five hours to put together a 30 minute mix then they need to practice more and maybe believe about entering the next contest instead. Tell that to these http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=321 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=320 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=319 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=317
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by dope @BFLY Do you play for a crowd ? When you do, do you press play on the pre-recorded mixtape you took 5 hours to do ? Or you're DJing (whether if it's with DVS CDJs Ableton or a controller) ? I really don't get why would you enter this MIXING competition with a mixtape done in a DAW. Anyway, that was supposed to be a friendly competition for fun, and some guys seem to be here just to make things complicated and to screw everything up.. I was so motivated for this, aaaand it's gone. When I play live I usually use DVS. If you re-read my opening post it says a mix competition, by this I was referring to a mixtape. NOT a mixing competition. A mix that you listen to is not meant to be listened to by a crowd. Have a look at Resident advisor which has one of the most respected and best Podcast series about, loads of there mixs are produced using a DAW some in one take some people take there time. Recent ones: RA319 James Zabiela "How and where was the mix recorded? I don't mind admitting that I was nervous about making this mix. Sometimes you can make promo mixes or mix tapes for fun fairly quickly, and even in one take without too much thought, but this mix was kind of a big deal for me. In all fairness this, with all the travelling I've been doing, which equally inspired and hindered the mix in terms of how long it took to complete. I probably spent about three months on it! This might sound a bit like overkill for a "DJ mix" but I wanted to create something more than that, something personal." " I probably spent about three months on it! This might sound a bit like overkill for a "DJ mix" but I wanted to create something more than that, something personal." Its a fun competition, If I have fun putting a Mix together and spending some time on it in a DAW whats the issue? Its the rules that make things complicated. Just have 1 rule - less than 30 minutes. If people believe using a daw is cheating or against the spirit then they dont have to vote for it do they? In fact Ive just had a scan over the RA website and loads of the DJs state that they take a while on the mixs and use daws. DJing live for a crowd and listening/producing mixtapes are worlds apart. This competition imo should be judged on tracklisting and order first. Mixing/the ability to blend second.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Someone could enter a 30 minute snippet of a five year old Sasha mix and no one would probably even know it. Cheaters are going to cheat, we can't stop that. This is for fun and nothing else. +1 - TBH the only rule id have would be length.
Rey Holubar 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by keithace You can do things in Ableton you can't do on the fly. That's what the bitch is. Like stopping in the middle and going back to do some corrections. It doesn't matter to me. Because if you don't have the creativity to dream it up, Ableton won't be able to help you. I am starting to not care either really. But maybe it would be just fair to actually note the tools used and how the mix was made? Something like Name of mix - Tools - Mix Type Like.... Bad ass mix - Traktor/ 2 controllers - Live Cool vibes - Ableton/ 1 controller - Produced This way the voters know what they are judging and can set their own judgment criteria accordingly, hopefully tightening their criteria for a produced mix and loosening them for a live one, because, and I am going to be honest here, I am not sure I could tell the difference and if one is live and sounds as good as the produced one, I will vote for it for sure. I just want to be sure there is that difference. scamo
Leeanna Ayla 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot Anything done in Ableton or a DAW can be done live. Like I said earlier, if it can be done live it counts regardless of what it's done in. Originally Posted by crakbot People are scared of what they don't understand, and clueless DJ's believe DAWs are some magical black boxes. Ableton isn't some black magic device that can do impossible things. Agree completely.
Margie Pavell 26.08.2012	You can do things in Ableton you can't do on the fly. That's what the bitch is. It doesn't matter to me. Because if you don't have the creativity to dream it up, Ableton won't be able to help you.
Frieda Swoboda 26.08.2012	Anything done in Ableton or a DAW can be done live. I do pre-made mixes in Ableton for friends or whatever, and if someone told me to do it with Traktor, I could (and have done it). I would have to export a few samples for certain parts. But overall, anything done in a DAW can be done live. Also, not practicing a routine is just stupid and a hold over from some old way of believeing. What other activity requires you to not practice in order to be "legit". What fighter would enter a fight without specifically training a certain aspect of his technique. What musician would go out on stage without first perfecting his songs during practice? What snowboarder or skateboarder would enter a contest without first practicing his tricks? What play would have all the actors do their first performance in front of a crowd without any rehearsal? If you are going to do a "show-off" set, you should know exactly what it is going to be beforehand, and practice it. People are scared of what they don't understand, and clueless DJ's believe DAWs are some magical black boxes. Ableton isn't some black magic device that can do impossible things.
Cole Maroto 26.08.2012	i agree with bfly and the others. the only rules i would have is the 30 minutes broken into genres. too many rules and grey areas are also taking the fun out of this friendly comp. to the people who believe it's unfair to go against a daw mix...well, it sounds like your skills aren't up to par if you are worrying about a mix constructed in this fashion. it's particularly odd because using ableton and traktor to make the mix are allowed, so i don't really see how it's a huge jump from those methods. to be honest i don't believe the "cleanliness" or "perfect" blends that come from using a daw are going to win this. it's going to be mostly subjective voting for whatever tracks they like the best. i doubt someone will gravitate towards a daw mix that lacks flavor. to me this is all about the flavor and that will shine through no matter what method you use. and what about pre-editing songs and then mixing them live? since it's only 30 minutes i'm sure some people would like to do edits so they could fit more songs in. if you can do edits before but not after, what is the difference really?
Kasi Marget 26.08.2012	I don't mind mixtapes made in a DAW. The thing is, as friendly as the contest isas it is, a competition is here to compare and compete against other. I don't see how someone could win recording a DJ mix over someone who used a DAW and had hours and hours to polish every bar. It's totally unfair for guys here who have no clue about DAW, and since it's DJTT and not ProductionTechTools, there are plenty. (and btw in my previous post I didn't had the single intention to imply you sucked at DJing or stayed in your bedroom all the time BFLY, don't get me wrong)
Danae Dumler 26.08.2012	You guys remember the Mixed in Key competitions right? They didn't care how much time you spent on it or what software or hardware you used. Some people did full on studio jobs while others mixed with vinyl straight up. I believe the winner the first year used CDJs and no computer at all, and he was up against plenty of shameless studio compositions perfected in Ableton or ProTools. I don't see the point of making a big deal one way or another about it - you're judging a product, that thirty-minute thing, not performance skills. If you want to judge performance skills I believe video would be necessary. Since you're judging the product it should stand on its own - and if judges want to nix a mix that sounds too "clean" that's fine too (after all, arguably such a mix would be sterile and distancing; a lot of people say the same about mixes using the "sync" button). If you try to set rules about what kind of software people use or how long they spend practicing, people will never get around to just mixing.
Margie Pavell 27.08.2012	I'd say let the DAW work stay...If that's how you want to represent yourself, so be it. I believe the DAW work will be obvious. And there's only one person really protesting for it.
Arla Seniw 27.08.2012	Originally Posted by BFLY That's a contradiction in itself. Either people would tell its done using a daw and not vote for it, or they wouldn't notice and therefore whats the problem? Where did i say people wouldn't notice? And that adds another thing to judge... "oh this is so done with DAW so I'm not voting for it/marking it down or up" its easier to just choose one and stick to that. Which jojo has.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by mwn11 This i agree on, but because of the anonymity of the competition it would be unfair to let a DAW mix tape go against a live recording one. I have nothing against produced mix tapes but for equality in the competition it would be unfair. That's a contradiction in itself. Either people would tell its done using a daw and not vote for it, or they wouldn't notice and therefore whats the problem?
Arla Seniw 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by BFLY Its a fun competition, If I have fun putting a Mix together and spending some time on it in a DAW whats the issue? Its the rules that make things complicated. Just have 1 rule - less than 30 minutes. If people believe using a daw is cheating or against the spirit then they dont have to vote for it do they? This i agree on, but because of the anonymity of the competition it would be unfair to let a DAW mix tape go against a live recording one. I have nothing against produced mix tapes but for equality in the competition it would be unfair.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Live in one take reflects my opinion that if it takes someone five hours to put together a 30 minute mix then they need to practice more and maybe believe about entering the next contest instead. Tell that to these http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=321 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=320 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=319 http://www.residentadvisor.net/podca...de.aspx?id=317
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by dope @BFLY Do you play for a crowd ? When you do, do you press play on the pre-recorded mixtape you took 5 hours to do ? Or you're DJing (whether if it's with DVS CDJs Ableton or a controller) ? I really don't get why would you enter this MIXING competition with a mixtape done in a DAW. Anyway, that was supposed to be a friendly competition for fun, and some guys seem to be here just to make things complicated and to screw everything up.. I was so motivated for this, aaaand it's gone. When I play live I usually use DVS. If you re-read my opening post it says a mix competition, by this I was referring to a mixtape. NOT a mixing competition. A mix that you listen to is not meant to be listened to by a crowd. Have a look at Resident advisor which has one of the most respected and best Podcast series about, loads of there mixs are produced using a DAW some in one take some people take there time. Recent ones: RA319 James Zabiela "How and where was the mix recorded? I don't mind admitting that I was nervous about making this mix. Sometimes you can make promo mixes or mix tapes for fun fairly quickly, and even in one take without too much thought, but this mix was kind of a big deal for me. In all fairness this, with all the travelling I've been doing, which equally inspired and hindered the mix in terms of how long it took to complete. I probably spent about three months on it! This might sound a bit like overkill for a "DJ mix" but I wanted to create something more than that, something personal." " I probably spent about three months on it! This might sound a bit like overkill for a "DJ mix" but I wanted to create something more than that, something personal." Its a fun competition, If I have fun putting a Mix together and spending some time on it in a DAW whats the issue? Its the rules that make things complicated. Just have 1 rule - less than 30 minutes. If people believe using a daw is cheating or against the spirit then they dont have to vote for it do they? In fact Ive just had a scan over the RA website and loads of the DJs state that they take a while on the mixs and use daws. DJing live for a crowd and listening/producing mixtapes are worlds apart. This competition imo should be judged on tracklisting and order first. Mixing/the ability to blend second.
Kasi Marget 26.08.2012	@BFLY Do you play for a crowd ? When you do, do you press play on the pre-recorded mixtape you took 5 hours to do ? Or you're DJing (whether if it's with DVS CDJs Ableton or a controller) ? I really don't get why would you enter this MIXING competition with a mixtape done in a DAW. Anyway, that was supposed to be a friendly competition for fun, and some guys seem to be here just to make things complicated and to screw everything up.. I was so motivated for this, aaaand it's gone.
Leeanna Ayla 26.08.2012	Live in one take reflects my opinion that if it takes someone five hours to put together a 30 minute mix then they need to practice more and maybe believe about entering the next contest instead.
Lawana Spratlen 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Someone could enter a 30 minute snippet of a five year old Sasha mix and no one would probably even know it. Cheaters are going to cheat, we can't stop that. This is for fun and nothing else. +1 - TBH the only rule id have would be length.
Leeanna Ayla 26.08.2012	Originally Posted by squidot so who is going to know if you are going in and editing mixes after the fact? . Someone could enter a 30 minute snippet of a five year old Sasha mix and no one would probably even know it. Cheaters are going to cheat, we can't stop that. This is for fun and nothing else.
Rey Holubar 26.08.2012	This rule, I believe, lets you do only that. I will not make any volume or EQ adjustments to your mix. It's up to you to make those before you send it to me. scamo
Cristian Carmona 25.08.2012	No recording a mix in Serato on 2x 1200s & a Rane 57 and saving as a .als mix and opening in Ableton Live mixtape to check levels?
Rey Holubar 25.08.2012	I might have missed it posted here, but if I didn't, the official "kick-off" thread is here: http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=57075 scamo
Edwardo Rothenberger 25.08.2012	Originally Posted by squidot so who is going to know if you are going in and editing mixes after the fact? you also wouldn't know if someone practices the set several times to nail it. i don't believe i would enter either way, but it seems like limiting what you can do to make a mixtape is a bit odd and would be impossible to police. i personally believe you should be able to make a set in any fashion and let it go against similar genre'd mixes however they are constructed. that's just me though. I believe it goes without saying that people are going to practice what goes together, etc, and they may want to do a few passes and choose which one they want to submit. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. In this world of controllerism, if you want to get your set right for when you play out you will need to practice sections if you are going to, say, play multi samples interacting, etc. I used to sometimes have groups of 2-3 records that I knew worked really well together, when I played out using vinyl. If the vibe suited I would go for that set of records. Sometimes after the first I would decide to go for something else, depended. If a person wins a category and they sat down and did editing on it they know they haven't entered into the spirit of things. That is non-real time. When I Dj'd vinyl in the early - mid nineties I would do a couple of 'repair' edits if I was doing a mix tape, but this isn't called for so much with controllers, since you're not having to concentrate on keeping the tracks in sync so much. That was one of the big skills before. Concentrating on the timing and being able to keep the mix going long and getting the bass drums to phase with each other. Even if you don't use 'sync' to lock the tracks, you still get a bpm read out now where you easily match the tempos before even playing anything. Nobody's going to win any big prize here, so let's just enter into it in a spirit of fun, and abide by the rules
Cole Maroto 24.08.2012	so who is going to know if you are going in and editing mixes after the fact? you also wouldn't know if someone practices the set several times to nail it. i don't believe i would enter either way, but it seems like limiting what you can do to make a mixtape is a bit odd and would be impossible to police. i personally believe you should be able to make a set in any fashion and let it go against similar genre'd mixes however they are constructed. that's just me though.
Desire Piedmont 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by Patch Is the answer! WINNER!! Originally Posted by ctg23 Group 3 can be hip hop/ chart Well excuse me!
Addie Engbrecht 24.08.2012	my prediction.....this never happens
Stefania Herb 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Let me clarify the live in one take rule. That means you would need to record this mix as if you were playing live and couldn't go back and edit something. You can't go back and add FX to the mix later or tweak where an FX comes in. If you use Ableton to play out live that's fine, use Ableton to record the mix. If you don't play out and are all bedroom then log into mixify or ustream or whatever, record your mix and pretend you have 1000 people listening to you on the radio. This is a DJ mix comp for fun and there will most likely be no prizes. So loosen up and enjoy yourself. super cool... im on it !
Janyce Henningson 24.08.2012	You can't really have a DJ competition when you can't see the DJ's. If the entries aren't videos then it should just be a mixtape comp, because that's all that's being judged.
Lawana Spratlen 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Let me clarify the live in one take rule. That means you would need to record this mix as if you were playing live and couldn't go back and edit something. You can't go back and add FX to the mix later or tweak where an FX comes in. If you use Ableton to play out live that's fine, use Ableton to record the mix. If you don't play out and are all bedroom then log into mixify or ustream or whatever, record your mix and pretend you have 1000 people listening to you on the radio. This is a DJ mix comp for fun and there will most likely be no prizes. So loosen up and enjoy yourself. Thats fine
Leeanna Ayla 24.08.2012	Let me clarify the live in one take rule. That means you would need to record this mix as if you were playing live and couldn't go back and edit something. You can't go back and add FX to the mix later or tweak where an FX comes in. If you use Ableton to play out live that's fine, use Ableton to record the mix. If you don't play out and are all bedroom then log into mixify or ustream or whatever, record your mix and pretend you have 1000 people listening to you on the radio. This is a DJ mix comp for fun and there will most likely be no prizes. So loosen up and enjoy yourself.
Lilliana Perris 24.08.2012	Thats a mix tape...not a DJ mix. Then it will be who has the best Ableton skills...and not the best DJing skills. ....
Stefania Herb 24.08.2012	photojojo please clear this up as seriously, yours is the only clear voice of reason... i fully plan on doing my mix live and feel that if someone wants to master and re-master theirs and enters theirs against mine, then so be it, but karma is a nasty lil mofo that will rip their head off in do course this is a friendly lil comp.. not the dmc's, and while i plan on taking it serious as it can be, i'm not gunna let not winning get to me ( even though i know ill win my genre cos i'm a baaaaaaad maaaaaaaan)
Lawana Spratlen 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by dope But you're planning to open Live, pick track and do a mixtape of them in the arrangement view ? Kind of producing a giant 30 mins mashup. If so, that's pointless because : 1) We're all DJ, and some of us don't own/can't master well enough a DAW 2) Since nothing is done live and recorded, your mix will be more subtle and technical than ANYTHING that could EVER be done live This will just ruin the competition, no one can compete with that quality wise. Anyone can own Ableton - it's as cheap to buy as Traktor. I don't believe you can knock someone for taking time to learn the skills!
Lashawn Maycock 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by Timbo21 It's gonna sound too slick. I mastered some of the first DJ Mix CD's in the UK, like Journeys by a DJ. At first we would just de-crackle the mix, eq it, and do the levels, plus do the odd edit if the mix mucked up. After a while we were using CD's and varispeed on the CD's and mixing them on the Mac. When we did this they started to sound a bit un-exciting. I've found that when I've spent ages getting everything perfect on a mix tape it's started to lose it's vibe. There's definitely something to be said for keeping a rawness and a vibe to mixing that isn't overly pre-planned, IMO. I personally believe I've got a good taste in music, and I believe picking the tunes is the important bit. Definitely agree with the final sentence, the definition of a DJ IMHO. Journey's By DJ, great series! Big fan of the Billy Nasty mix.

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