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Pioneer DDJ - SX, first "serato dj" controller Posted on: 02.10.2012 by Janella Gripe So, I just read an article on ddjt where they say that Pioneer is working on a new controller for the newest serato software. The controller will be launched on the first of November. Here are some specifications from the new controller. 1. Performance pads. Similar to the Novation TWITCH and the Vestax VCI-380 (and velocity-sensitive, like the latter), the controller’s performance pads will control samples, cues, loop rolls and a slicer 2. “Dual Deck” mode. This will apparently let you link two decks (ie A&C, B&D) and manipulate them as one 3. 4-channel standalone hardware mixer. Like the Vestax VCI-400 (finally), the unit will also work as an analogue mixer 4. Slip mode. Slip mode lets you manipulate the track (scratching, looping, triggering cue points), then when you exit slip mode, the track will continue where it would have been before you began. It’s a popular feature on CDJs from Pioneer and Denon 5. Other high-end features. Fader start, dedicated filter knobs and large platters point to this being very much a pro controller, that ought to appeal to those playing out as much as bedroom DJs. Assuming it has decent microphone ins and balanced/booth outputs, that is… (source: http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/10...o-dj-software/) So, what do you believe? A new ground-breaking product or another regular dj-controller? You can always post some new updates of information about the new controller in this thread.
Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by Zer0beet I'd argue the novation twitch beats the s2 bus powered, slicer, 8 hotcues... S2? this thread is about the DDJ-SX. And the SX and Twitch are virtually incomparable, totally different philosophies.
Ashanti Andreacchio 07.10.2012	Just so excited about it That I desided to fo a comparison picture for VMS4 and S4 sompared to the DDJ SX. I took the VMS4 because thats what I'm replacing and the S4 as it's a controller many people have Pioneer VMS4.jpg Pioneer S4.jpg
Julissa Serrone 06.10.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint They have 2 of them on display at BPM, and 2 things strike me. First, it looks like a really good quality unit and all the controls feel awesome. Second, it's enormous. the diagram already showed it, but it's nearly as big as an NS7 and damn heavy for a controller. Annoyingly, Serato haven't even released a beta copy of SDJ to demo with yet. So they have the units on display but they aren't plugged into anything, and even Mark Settle (DJ Worx) has only seen a single solitary screenshot of the new software. So who knows what it'll be like. Take some pics
Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012	Originally Posted by Zer0beet I'd argue the novation twitch beats the s2 bus powered, slicer, 8 hotcues... S2? this thread is about the DDJ-SX. And the SX and Twitch are virtually incomparable, totally different philosophies.
Benjamin Sieh 08.10.2012	I'd argue the novation twitch beats the s2 bus powered, slicer, 8 hotcues...
Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012	Yup, but the software isn't out yet so I've fiddled with it but not played on it.
Brooke Cary 09.10.2012	This looks like it'll be worth the upgrade for me. Has anyone gotten any hands on time with it yet?
Celina Crusey 07.10.2012	I wonder if it really will be too big to fit in any sensibly sized DJ booths. Don't people still play out a lot on NS7's? And I'm pretty sure it's smaller than an NS7
Ashanti Andreacchio 07.10.2012	Just so excited about it That I desided to fo a comparison picture for VMS4 and S4 sompared to the DDJ SX. I took the VMS4 because thats what I'm replacing and the S4 as it's a controller many people have Pioneer VMS4.jpg Pioneer S4.jpg
Celina Crusey 07.10.2012	I'd love to know the quality of sliders/knobs/etc. How do they feel? rubberized? What's the quality of everything else on the unit?
Tatum Ansaldo 06.10.2012	Sure, I'll take some tomorrow. Any parts in particular that you want to see?
Ashanti Andreacchio 06.10.2012	I don't care for the software I'll have it soon and mapp it to traktor will try the software just to see how it is. And yes pictures would be nice
Julissa Serrone 06.10.2012	Originally Posted by fullenglishpint They have 2 of them on display at BPM, and 2 things strike me. First, it looks like a really good quality unit and all the controls feel awesome. Second, it's enormous. the diagram already showed it, but it's nearly as big as an NS7 and damn heavy for a controller. Annoyingly, Serato haven't even released a beta copy of SDJ to demo with yet. So they have the units on display but they aren't plugged into anything, and even Mark Settle (DJ Worx) has only seen a single solitary screenshot of the new software. So who knows what it'll be like. Take some pics
Tatum Ansaldo 06.10.2012	They have 2 of them on display at BPM, and 2 things strike me. First, it looks like a really good quality unit and all the controls feel awesome. Second, it's enormous. the diagram already showed it, but it's nearly as big as an NS7 and damn heavy for a controller. Annoyingly, Serato haven't even released a beta copy of SDJ to demo with yet. So they have the units on display but they aren't plugged into anything, and even Mark Settle (DJ Worx) has only seen a single solitary screenshot of the new software. So who knows what it'll be like.
Audrey Pinda 05.10.2012	I'm interested to see if it will allow for time-code support in the software, even with an SL box hooked up. The thing is, the majority of the time I'm actually doing a gig, I'm going to want time-code. Either vinyl, or CD's. Pretty simple. Those times the gear is already there, I just bring my Timecode Vinyl, Needles, Slip mats, SL1 box, and my computer. But there are some times where it would be great just to have a controller for house parties, smaller gigs where you need to bring your own stuff, and whatever. This is where something like this would be great. And Traktor guys already have something like this with the S4 with timecode support, and it'd just be nice to have something like that on the Serato side (as honestly, I just am not feeling Traktor). I emailed them, and this is the response I got: "However the DDJ-SX will run with DJ Pro although it can also be used as a standalone mixer. This means that you can plug in two turntables and a Scratch Live box so you can use Scratch Live. You can even use the two platters on the controller along with two turntables for four deck control. This means that you have plenty of options." Which still leaves me to have a few questions... but... If you have an SL4, plug it into this, and can use these platters to control SSL? We may have a mighty winner. Most of the time I won't need to bring the whole thing out. It'd just be handy to have at home, and then also be able to use my turntables as well, as well as getting that practice for the CDJ feel, at a much lower cost.
Ashanti Andreacchio 05.10.2012	It has gone in my Shoping basked at Thoman.de just need to gig this weekend and I can place the order. Now to hunt for a flightcase it will fit in
Danae Dumler 05.10.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma You're not paying $500 for "timecode" you're paying $500 for an SL2, bundled through partnership with Serato Scratch Live. The same way you pay $1100 for a DDJ-SX bundled through partnership with Serato DJ. You're not just paying $1100 for "controller." Just because the product has standalone mixer support (like a large amount of Itch controllers before it), doesn't mean they'll just throw in a bonus completely separate product for free and kick their almost company-old partnership to the curb. Timecode is just a noise that goes through a sound interface. The pioneer already has a sound interface that has absolutely everything it needs to pass timecode to the computer program (and you're paying for the computer program as part of the Pioneer). It's just a matter of including the code in the computer program to let it "see" the Pioneer soundcard. Basically you're paying $500 to turn a switch. The "completely separate product" your talking about is an extra, unnecessary box with a pain in the butt of connecting wires added to the cost. Makes some sense if you're not already attaching it to an audio interface made to work with serato but it makes a lot less sense here. Ultimately the software has artificial limitations in it in order to get you to buy another expensive piece of hardware. I get it, and you're probably right this is the path they will follow, but it's bad for consumers.
Johnetta Olewine 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma What the Hell are you talking about? Every single product Rane DJ makes, save for the 56, are SSL's only audio solutions. Serato Scratch Live and Serato Itch have always been separate products, Serato DJ is just an evolution of Itch. You're not paying $500 for "timecode" you're paying $500 for an SL2, bundled through partnership with Serato Scratch Live. The same way you pay $1100 for a DDJ-SX bundled through partnership with Serato DJ. You're not just paying $1100 for "controller." Just because the product has standalone mixer support (like a large amount of Itch controllers before it), doesn't mean they'll just throw in a bonus completely separate product for free and kick their almost company-old partnership to the curb. I fucking love the angry armchair expert tone of all your posts. Relax man.
Nancey Inderlied 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by djproben No it wouldn't; Rane sells mixers and soundcards for people who use mixers. This is really a different beast, and nobody would buy this who really wanted a mixer. Maybe you're right but it would just be silly for them to sell something that is Serato branded, totally geared to Serato, with turntable inputs, that doesn't actually allow timecode. Especially given that the cheapest new serato box is almost half the street price of one of these, and likely has measurably worse sound quality. I mean, timecode is really cool, but is it really worth $500, when you have everything else available to you software and hardware-wise? It's basically a $500 tax to enable this little thing in the software and hardware you already bought. Again, I'm not saying they won't do it, or even get away with it - it's not that different from NI's current agreement with Pioneer - but it's bullshit. What the Hell are you talking about? Every single product Rane DJ makes, save for the 56, are SSL's only audio solutions. Serato Scratch Live and Serato Itch have always been separate products, Serato DJ is just an evolution of Itch. You're not paying $500 for "timecode" you're paying $500 for an SL2, bundled through partnership with Serato Scratch Live. The same way you pay $1100 for a DDJ-SX bundled through partnership with Serato DJ. You're not just paying $1100 for "controller." Just because the product has standalone mixer support (like a large amount of Itch controllers before it), doesn't mean they'll just throw in a bonus completely separate product for free and kick their almost company-old partnership to the curb.
Danae Dumler 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma No. You can't. That would completely undercut Rane's entire DJ division. No it wouldn't; Rane sells mixers and soundcards for people who use mixers. This is really a different beast, and nobody would buy this who really wanted a mixer. Maybe you're right but it would just be silly for them to sell something that is Serato branded, totally geared to Serato, with turntable inputs, that doesn't actually allow timecode. Especially given that the cheapest new serato box is almost half the street price of one of these, and likely has measurably worse sound quality. I mean, timecode is really cool, but is it really worth $500, when you have everything else available to you software and hardware-wise? It's basically a $500 tax to enable this little thing in the software and hardware you already bought. Again, I'm not saying they won't do it, or even get away with it - it's not that different from NI's current agreement with Pioneer - but it's bullshit.
Julissa Serrone 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Buddyhollywood I read this, PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS Interoperable with Scratch Live, ITCH, DJ Intro and iTunes Music Libraries. Im guessing that you can, seeing as you can run turntables through the new SX im sure you can use serato time codes. Nope. It's always been like that. All Serato products share the same library.....that's all.
Nancey Inderlied 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Buddyhollywood I read this, PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS Interoperable with Scratch Live, ITCH, DJ Intro and iTunes Music Libraries. Im guessing that you can, seeing as you can run turntables through the new SX im sure you can use serato time codes. No. You can't. That would completely undercut Rane's entire DJ division.
Gilberto Bordeau 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by jprime If they integrate SSL into seratoDJ down the road to allow control via the records as well, om nomnomnom. I read this, PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS Interoperable with Scratch Live, ITCH, DJ Intro and iTunes Music Libraries. Im guessing that you can, seeing as you can run turntables through the new SX im sure you can use serato time codes.
Breanne Penge 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Buddyhollywood SX+1210's would be amazing 4 deck control, SP6, slicer? game changer If they integrate SSL into seratoDJ down the road to allow control via the records as well, om nomnomnom.
Gilberto Bordeau 04.10.2012	SX+1210's would be amazing 4 deck control, SP6, slicer? game changer
Nancey Inderlied 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard I'll eat my hat if I ever see this being gigged out anywhere I play, too big, too expensive, wrong software. Just never going to happen, it'll be like the last lot of Pio controllers, a few people will buy them for home use and that's it. All imo of course. How much bigger is this than a S4? Uhh, virtually every high end controller is "too big" to fit in a booth, but people still buy/use them in truckloads, the size margins have literally no bearing on if it will actually get hold. I'm pretty sure you're trolling with the price and software points, this thing comes out in the same area as the NS7 and S4 initially started, and since when is Serato not a viable software solution? Literally the only gigging DJs I've ever known who didn't use Serato were the ones who couldn't afford decks and an SL, or rubbed off to MIDI maps.
Danae Dumler 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture That's always been the thing that kept me from switching to Itch. The fact that I'd have to re-grid, re-cue and re-loop all of my tracks again. I'm pretty sure there is a software tool that will do most of that work for you.
Fannie Ohayre 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by MaxOne This is why using iTunes to organise music is good cause if you want to switch software they almost all have iTunes integration to a degree. Course grids and cues are a pain but at least playlists are there... That's always been the thing that kept me from switching to Itch. The fact that I'd have to re-grid, re-cue and re-loop all of my tracks again.
Hanna Ridenbaugh 04.10.2012	It's a serious contender there, build quality and stand alone mixer.
Cassie Sangermano 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by zimfella Coolest. Any chance for the denon mc 6000 to fit in there? Was just about to ask the same question. See how my Denon compares to the rest!
Hanna Ridenbaugh 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Size comparison to a few other controllers, Coolest. Any chance for the denon mc 6000 to fit in there?
Jerica Salava 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Size comparison to a few other controllers, thanks photo. this is cool. >
Ashanti Andreacchio 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard I'll eat my hat if I ever see this being gigged out anywhere I play, too big, too expensive, wrong software. Just never going to happen, it'll be like the last lot of Pio controllers, a few people will buy them for home use and that's it. All imo of course. How much bigger is this than a S4? the s4 is Depth: 32.2cm / 12.7'' Height: 5.2cm / 2'' Width: 50cm / 19.7'' Weight: 3.4kg / 7.5lbs The XS is Depth: 35.7cm / 14.06'' Height: 7cm / 2.77'' Width: 66.4cm / 26.14'' Weight: 6.5kg / 14.3lbs So it's quite bigger But the software is not a problem it can be mapped to any other software. I have hardware that was not mapped or made for Traktor and I take them all with me when I DJ. When setup at the club it's about 120cm by switching to the DDJ XS I'll trim it down by almost 1/2 of the size and weight. So for me it's a big optimasation to my setup.
04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard How much bigger is this than a S4? Just done some checking and it's about 20% bigger than the S4, which was too big for my liking to start with. In summary - nice controller, looks like nice software, never going to gain any major traction in the pro market.
Leeanna Ayla 04.10.2012	Size comparison to a few other controllers,
Erich Vallabhaneni 04.10.2012	this controller looks amazing, I might even try out Serato DJ if the time is right
04.10.2012	I'll eat my hat if I ever see this being gigged out anywhere I play, too big, too expensive, wrong software. Just never going to happen, it'll be like the last lot of Pio controllers, a few people will buy them for home use and that's it. All imo of course. How much bigger is this than a S4?
Mac Fly 04.10.2012	People are still going to buy it...Hell I use my S4 whenever I can and then I use timecodes with an X1 whenever there is no room or a switch over is not possible or difficult. There is always options.
04.10.2012	Most dj booths there is barely enough space for a VCI 400 without using deck lids/flightcases to cover up the decks/CDJs, the S4 is bigger than that, and this new Serato thing is bigger than that again. I'm not saying it's not a nice controller, it looks great, what I'm saying is that hardly anyone will buy/use it due to it's size/price/choice of software.
Nancey Inderlied 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Too big (and not enough adoption of Itch) for clubs. Too expensive for most home setups. This is a niche product at best. This is the core issue with almost every single controller ever. It hasn't stopped the S4 from becoming prominent, and the controller market in general from booming. As much as I despise laptop systems, this looks like a pretty solid one at least.

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