What should i do??
What should i do?? Posted on: 09.04.2012 by Henrietta Dortch Hey Guys!I'm looking for some suggestions about my situation here. Let me give you some background. For about a year now, I've been working in torrented versions of Ableton Live, some VST's, and samples. I wanna start from scratch, and buy everything, so i can begin to do things commercially. I have a midi keyboard, and honestly, that's all i want, so i'm set for hardware. I'm a student, so i qualify for educational discounts for LIVE. I've also considered switching to logic, since it is a little bit cheaper, and has some better built in instruments. My budget is about $400, maybe a bit more. So my question is, which one of these scenarios is best, or is there a better way to go than i already lay out... 1: Buy ableton Suite, that's all. 2: Buy Live (not suite version) and then get one or two synths, like maybe Synplant, and ANA by sonic academy. 3: Switch to Logic, and get Sylenth1. (If so, could someone suggest Logic tutorials, willing to pay, preferably for beginners, since i'll be new to Logic. 4: Other... My favorite artists are those such as Avicii, Laidback Luke, or Hardwell, and i like to produce styles such as those. A good example of something for me is the Jaywalker remix of "Wild one Two." Thanks for your help, and i hope to hear from you guys soon! | |
| Maricruz Mouw 14.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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| Tessie Grether 12.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I could find you thousands of people both on the logic and ableton side ready to say that their DAW is designed more for dance music. But like i said before, it comes down to.... workflow. Thats all. |
| Georgina Schatzman 12.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by sphilibin
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| Georgina Schatzman 13.04.2012 | Well, the question is why are you wanting to jump ship in the first place? |
| Maricruz Mouw 14.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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| Georgina Schatzman 13.04.2012 | Guess that's the end of this thread |
| Dorie Scelzo 12.04.2012 | Yeah…that sounds like the best idea, then. If you honestly like Live, nothing else quite works the same way. |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Honestly, i believe i might have to go with ableton. I mean, i've been using it for a year, so i already understand it, some things bug me, but truth is, i can pop out a track in a day on there. $420 for the edu license, and that leaves me enough to maybe buy dune right there. Pro tools isn't bad, but i've had dreadful experiences with M-Audio's customer support, where as with live, i hear back via email in one, maybe two days max, which means a lot to me. I won't be dj'ing with live anytime soon, but i can't take for granted i already am comfortable with it. I have like, 200 patches for operator lol |
| Dorie Scelzo 12.04.2012 | So, I'm actually not a huge fan of Logic, despite using it all the time. I won't be upgrading to a new version. It's perfectly capable, but there are enough workflow things that I just don't like about it that it's not worth money. Heck, I'd probably sell you my license for not too much if there was any way to track chain of custody. Unfortunately, it's Express not Pro (from back when that was a thing) and doesn't come with a few things that I believe are kinda cool (Multipressor, Multimeter, Space Designer, and Delay designer stand out). And, more unfortunately, I believe there wasn't even a license key or any kind of copy protection, so I'm not sure it's possible to sell it legally. Ableton is cool, but I hate it's workflow. I own it as well. I enjoyed it for DJing, and I'd use it for a computer-based LivePA set in ah eartbeat. But when it comes to production/recording, I believe it takes forever to do anything. Unfortunately, I honestly prefer Pro Tools, which makes most people believe I'm weird. Something about the way it works just makes sense to me. And if you're interested, there is a demo available. But you have to buy a $50 iLok to run it, and Avid is kinda bitchy about what computers it runs on. It's also really expensive if you can't get an academic license. The only reason I bought Logic 9 over an academic copy of Pro Tools 9 was that Avid said my computer wouldn't run it. After PT 10 came out, I decided to just try the demo and see what happened…and everything worked. So…in short, I won't be upgrading Logic no matter what they do with Logic 10…I'll be upgrading to Pro Tools as soon as I either have the copy to drop on the full version or as soon as I qualify for the academic discount again. So, if you have the $50 to throw at a 30-day demo and believe you might be interested, give it a try. I believe it's awesome. If not, if you can figure out how to do it, I'll sell you Logic Express (boxed install) for like $100. |
| Tessie Grether 12.04.2012 | You can get the gist of how logic is by watching the D.ramirez videos... |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Yeah, i mean, guetta (not saying he's any good) uses both, skrillex uses ableton, SvD and AvB both use logic, Swedish House Mafia uses Logic, like VST's, it's what you make of it, and what you prefer. Personally, i enjoy using live, i just wish i could try Logic before i buy it. I'd rather not take forever to decide though. Maybe a good pro's con's list is in order, if i'm feeling geeky(; |
| Tessie Grether 12.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I could find you thousands of people both on the logic and ableton side ready to say that their DAW is designed more for dance music. But like i said before, it comes down to.... workflow. Thats all. |
| Georgina Schatzman 12.04.2012 | Still worth it. Abletons native pluggins are solid (made my first release with no third party pluggins). And you can still buy your VSTs at a later date. |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Wow. No idea how i missed that, just threw it into a song, and already changes the whole thing. I would stick with ableton, but the price point is still killing me... |
| Georgina Schatzman 12.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by sphilibin
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| Georgina Schatzman 12.04.2012 | Trust me mate, Ableton is by far leaps and bounds ahead of Logic as far as producing "dance" music. While Logic does work more like a traditional DAW (i.e. Pro Tools/Cubase), much like those it's more useful and flexible for "traditional" studios where they are capturing live performances. In that sense, if you've used those other DAWs Ableton does have a bit of a learning curve but once you wrap your head around it you're work flow and creativity will come much more naturally. And I agree with Zhao as well, I never used the session view myself, but now that I'm developing a "live" setup I couldn't imagine NOT having it. And like you, I have "traditionally" DJed with 3-4 decks, but this live set up is for something completely different than what I play when I DJ. It's just another creative outlet that wouldn't be practical with Logic. |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Also, the fact that i ableton has no built in piano, that really kills it for me, i need a good piano sound |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Ah, see, i dj extremely traditionally, 3-4 decks, mixing, not so much mashing and stuff, though i feel i may have to adapt to that, seeing the future of dj'ing become so digitalized |
| Patrica Giancaterino 12.04.2012 | Consider live for its 'live performance' aspect. I started off with live never believeing I'd use the session view and now I'm developing my live set with it. Plus it has some great dedicated controllers should you grow tired of your keyboard. I've messed about on Logic and honestly the only thing I like about it was being able to curve automation. As far as synths go, personally I like the sound sylenth puts out a little more than massive and for some reason using the faders for envelopes in sylenth are a lot more pleasing to my workflow. Although the mod matrix in massive is definitely more powerful than that of sylenth. Also, not condoning piracy, but what would be the repercussions of using cracked software commercially? How would anybody know? FYI my copy of Live is legit, I've just wondered this before. |
| Henrietta Dortch 12.04.2012 | Price, only $200, suits my workflow, like, in ableton, i never used session view, i'm an apple geek, never owned anything but a mac, so i don't have to deal with a bunch of PC people, i don't use anything but a midi keyboard, and logic isn't really designed for a ton of midi controllers (not that you couldn't do so) i grew up playing around with garageband, so i already have a small finger on the pulse of it, and there were some things i didn't like about ableton live, some that i loved, but an equal amount of things about it that piss me off... But in it's entirety, i believe $200 is a deal, because it leaves me with about $300+ for synths, and samples, where if i bought live suite, it's at least $450 (edu version) and then i don't have nearly as much money leftover... |
| Georgina Schatzman 13.04.2012 | Why Logic? |
| Henrietta Dortch 11.04.2012 | For my budget, which has slightly increased, and for the better of my workflow, i believe i'm going to get Logic, Sylenth1, and Dune. Can't wait to try it all out! |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | Not to sound like a dumbass, which i do, but that is most definitely what i meant lmao. It's been a long day... |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 | Its not a software nord lol, you can make virus type leads with it though. I use Cubase for hardstyle and Ableton for house. Both suit my workflow in a different way/genre. |
| Georgina Schatzman 10.04.2012 | It would be more accurate to relate it a Virus I'd say than a Nord |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by botstein
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| Ervin Calvery 10.04.2012 |
A lot of people call it a "software nord." Would that be accurate?
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| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | I'm feeling like i'm going to go with sylenth1, just because of how at home i feel with it. What about the synth Dune, as a second. A lot of people call it a "software nord." Would that be accurate? |
| Georgina Schatzman 10.04.2012 | Massive has a bit of a learning curve because you have to learn how to route all the envelopes and LFOs, it's really different compared to most soft synths out there, plus it's FM and that alone is a learning curve in itself. But with that being said, it truly is the swiss army knife of all synths out there I'd say. I have Sylenth as well, and feel comfortable with it but always feel like it's holding me back compared to something like Massive or even RP Predator. |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | Yes sir! I feel as though we probably should have started there in the first place. What DAW do you use? |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 | Then you have your answer, lol. Its up to what feels right for you. |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | First off, nice stuff man. And second off, i have used both, massive a torrent version, and sylenth1 the demo, and right off the bat, sylenth1 made me feel more at home, where as with massive, i felt like i couldn't manipulate it as well as i'd have liked. Maybe it's just preference for me, but massive seems like it's a bit more bass, and grit oriented. Not that that couldn't be changed by skillful programming, but for me, it's not worth the hassle... |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 | HARDSTYLE - http://soundcloud.com/techone-music/...-one-producer/ HOUSE - http://soundcloud.com/ben_jackal Use both sylenth1 and Massive |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | Yeah, i've used massive, and i love it for supersaws, but it felt like a hassle to make big, house leads on it. I believe native instruments even says that it is BEST for gritty leads and strong basses. What style do you make? |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 | I used to love Sylenth1, but massive has become my favourite... It took me quite a while to like it... but hey now its my preference. $199US http://www.native-instruments.com/en...ducer/massive/ |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | So with $200, is there is a better option than sylenth1? |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 | You could use anything for prog house and trance? Massive, ANA, Nexus (if your into romplers), Pro-53.... ANYTHING... |
| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | Exactly lol sylenth1 is a go to synth, whether it's for 1 style or a billion, it's a go to synth, and for the style i want, it's a go to synth. Point established. Do you have a better one in mind for prog. house and trance? Also, i don't have a soundcloud. I revisit most everything, daily, and only share it with friends, and shit. |
| Tessie Grether 10.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by sphilibin
Care to share your soundcloud? |
| Henrietta Dortch 11.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by benjackal
I didn't mean it so much as the DAW, but as, if i get logic, i can get sylenth1, a go to synth for swedish house, or trance, where as if i get ableton suite, i don't have the money to buy a high powered synth like that. |
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