APC40 Mapping Madness (Midi Fighter Style on APC40)

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APC40 Mapping Madness (Midi Fighter Style on APC40)
Posted on: 05.07.2010 by Lynetta Piacentino
This week I've ordered my Midi Fighter and as I cannot wait to receive it, I already started using the Midi Fighter mapping for Traktor by remapping it on my APC40!

The first result is now having row 5/6/7&8 (top 4 rows) mapped exactly as the DECK A mapping for Midi Fighter. I started to make slight adjustments to the LED's (as the APC40 has more options then the MF) and I went crazy playing with it! And I know that it's always cool to see other people's mappings, so I wanted to share mine as well! Both TSI (deck A only) and layout are attached. (don't forget to set the APC40 to 'dumb mode' via Albeton...).

I cannot wait for the original MF to arrive and test the ultra responsiveness and speed!!

(check out original files, new MF TSI file and info here http://www.djranking s.com/2010/06/3...lized-mapping/)

I'll continue to make it even more APC40 style and map a second deck asap (and move the first deck A to the left). But as I'm also playing with 2 and 4 deck TSI's an update might not come very soon
Sun Popov
20.08.2010
Originally Posted by Timmio
Stephs TSI can be recognized by different EQ handling. His EQ block is 'left block 4 rotaries deck A, right block 4 rotaries deck B)

Mine has top row rotaries EQ for deck A, 2nd row rotaries EQ for deck B

(and some other differences )

and I believe you have changed the value of the Dry/Wet(CueLevelKnob) for FX Unit 3+4 back from 0 % to 100% for your mixing style or am I wrong?
Lynetta Piacentino
20.08.2010
Originally Posted by completej
at this point, what is the difference between yours and stephs?

i cant recall which i loaded last... :/
Stephs TSI can be recognized by different EQ handling. His EQ block is 'left block 4 rotaries deck A, right block 4 rotaries deck B)

Mine has top row rotaries EQ for deck A, 2nd row rotaries EQ for deck B

(and some other differences )
Lilliana Perris
19.08.2010
Originally Posted by derders
updated my version of HouseQ
Lilliana Perris
19.08.2010
Originally Posted by derders
thanks to you Timmio/HQ for that nice .tsi(template) :-)

I am believeing about to set all to a 2/4 deck mode

but for that I need to play around with 4 decks - so far I used just 2 decks ... if it works to switch the clip launch section without having mixing problems ? .. I don
Lilliana Perris
19.08.2010
Originally Posted by derders
updated my version of HouseQ
Lilliana Perris
19.08.2010
Originally Posted by Timmio
Hey good news.

A visitor on my site used my TSI and updated it with some new options and also the EQ. It is really a cool TSI and although I'd prefer some options to be a bit different, it still a nice mapping!

Check out the attached files from the mapping image and the TSI!

I'll update the image and TSI according to some of my preferences and post some new one later!

(thanks go to Steph who updated my image and TSI with some additional cool stuff!)

Hell yeah!

I checked out about 6 mappings this week...and this one is the best of the lot.

Its got the FX....LED RINGS...and feels good using it.

I added a few things to make it complete for me....Thanks!!!!!!!

Sun Popov
19.08.2010
updated my version of HouseQ
Julietta Mistretta
19.08.2010
at this point, what is the difference between yours and stephs?

i cant recall which i loaded last... :/
Lynetta Piacentino
19.08.2010
Small update on the TSI; even more FX stuff, eq on top, some faders used for volume and dry/wet fx3 and 4:
Download the TSI directly from my website

If you need info on this, explanation video's and/or mapping overviews, check out: http://houseq.nl/index.php/controller-mappings/
Julietta Mistretta
17.08.2010
nice, that appears to have fixed it. initially, the lights didnt come up until i loaded a track, and then just cue-1 light started blinking. everything else worked great after that.

thanks,
Sun Popov
17.08.2010
Originally Posted by Timmio
(thanks go to Steph who updated my image and TSI with some additional cool stuff!)
thanks to you Timmio/HQ for that nice .tsi(template) :-)

I am believeing about to set all to a 2/4 deck mode

but for that I need to play around with 4 decks - so far I used just 2 decks ... if it works to switch the clip launch section without having mixing problems ? .. I don
Julietta Mistretta
17.08.2010
I started to play with the IN-port initially, but never really read up on what those do, so I cut my losses and closed up for the evening .

Will try this when I get home from work toevening . Thanks!
Lynetta Piacentino
17.08.2010
Hey completej,

You probably didn't select the correct in- and out-ports in Traktor, did you? Make sure you select the imported TSI/Device first in the mapping section (see red circle in the attachment) and then make sure you select the APC40 at the in- and out-port (see purple circles in the attachment)

After selecting this your APC should light up as a christmas tree
Julietta Mistretta
16.08.2010
not sure what im doing wrong, but...

i start from a fresh boot
turn on apc40
load ableton 8.1.3, get red box, and quit
all the lights on the apc go out
i load traktor 1.2.4
no lights appear on apc, all buttons unresponsive

i've tried with both steph's tsi and your most recent tsi with no luck. however, if i load in my old custom apc mapping, lights appear and the controller is responsive.

i've completely wiped all controller bindings (including keyboard) and tried both methods to "import" the tsis.

any ideas? i really dig your layout and was finding mine a bit restrictive as of late.

thanks,
Lynetta Piacentino
16.08.2010
Hey good news.

A visitor on my site used my TSI and updated it with some new options and also the EQ. It is really a cool TSI and although I'd prefer some options to be a bit different, it still a nice mapping!

Check out the attached files from the mapping image and the TSI!

I'll update the image and TSI according to some of my preferences and post some new one later!

(thanks go to Steph who updated my image and TSI with some additional cool stuff!)
Kandy Ahdoot
16.08.2010
Ok mate no worries and thanks again for all the help you been a star
still useing this mapping for traktor
Lynetta Piacentino
16.08.2010
@CassoIVchoon, yeah received your PM, sorry for not responding. I've being quite busy with non music stuff. I'll continue with this map asap, and implement the EQ stuff as well.

About the FX, I cannot solve it. The problem is that there are various APC40 controllers in the world which seem to send different notes, depending on production, country, setting (I don't know actually). I already noticed 3 different notes-overviews for the APC. The problem is that the buttons below (red/green/blue) seem to different in note-midi signals per controller.

Check some more information here

I'm not sure on how to solve this. Maybe I'll make a slightly other mapping in which you can set the effects more easily yourself. I didn't make up my mind about a solution for this yet..
Kandy Ahdoot
16.08.2010
any closer to solveing the problem of the efx 3 and 4?
all so did you get my pm about setting up eqs for me?
Lynetta Piacentino
16.08.2010
just joking! Thanks for sharing, no hard feelings.
Aurea Kager
10.08.2010
Originally Posted by Timmio
Why on earth are you posting this here? Did you read this thread at all?????

I did present my TSI in here, providing 2 deck full sample, juggle, cueing, advanced fx and other stuff....

It's like shouting that there is a shoe sale at your place in a competitor's store ..

Sorry mate it is not my intention to take down your work.

I posted this here, because is almost the same topic, and i just want to help even i believe we can benefit from the work of each other, maybe my mapping helps you to get yours even better or maybe not.

Maybe it works as a base for other guy new mapping, i just want to share it and if you like it allright if you dont, well that is the magic of this community we are all here to share info.

Im proud of showing my .tsi but i only managed to achieve what i did reading and learnig from others right here, then i learned what i needed to do new things or just do them my way.

I hope you enjoy the layout, im at your service for anything you need.
Kandy Ahdoot
10.08.2010
i really want this tsi to work but i just dont believe it will
i believe its strange that apc sends out different midi just cus it was made somewhere else
this is tsi is perfect i just cant use it cus of the efx problems,
Lynetta Piacentino
10.08.2010
Originally Posted by oscarjmg
Sorry guys i posted my thread on the wrong section of the community .

Here
Aurea Kager
10.08.2010
Sorry guys i posted my thread on the wrong section of the community .

Here
Lynetta Piacentino
10.08.2010
Yep, setting those filters yourself would be a good idea. It might be a bit hard, but hopefully my TSI example helps.
Kandy Ahdoot
09.08.2010
well that sucks

i had a idea tho in the tsi could i not just edit it myself like where it says beatmaser on 3 of the comands could i not just change it to "delay" etc...? i dont have my apc40 with me but will try it in the morning
Lynetta Piacentino
09.08.2010
I believe there is a difference between our APC's and what notes they are sending. I've read differences in this earlier, for example in this thread: http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=5484

I believe that various production ranges and/or countries may have 'different' APC's. So that means if note 'X' is sending the FX3 in my setup, it might fire note 'Z' in your setup causing a whole different action to fire (like in this case FX4).

Too bad that therefore sharing tsi's is a bit hard.
Kandy Ahdoot
08.08.2010
Originally Posted by Timmio
@CassoIVchoon; someone else also notices me about the wrong filtering settings compared to my scheme I have drawn.

I'll check this again, it is possibly a wrong setting at my side, not yours

ok cheers mate if u get it sorted like me know and thanks again for all your work
as i say sweet mapping just this little problem needs sorted
peace
Lynetta Piacentino
08.08.2010
@CassoIVchoon; someone else also notices me about the wrong filtering settings compared to my scheme I have drawn.

I'll check this again, it is possibly a wrong setting at my side, not yours
Lynetta Piacentino
04.08.2010
The version shouldn't be a problem.

'filter in action' => I meant, if you go to preferences and the the mapping of the APC. Check the in-command called 'select filter' and check a command which focusses on deck A or B. Then you should be able to check what filter the command sets the unit to.
Kandy Ahdoot
03.08.2010
i am useing 1.2.4 and whats filter in action?

its a shame this part is not working for me cus this is pretty much the mapping i have been after for a while
Lynetta Piacentino
03.08.2010
Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
.... and yeah all my filters are on
Hmm, believeing of what else this can be. The filters are hardcoded-selected in the mapping itself, so it can only be wrong in there. I still need to check the part where the filters are selected in the TSI, it goes OK in my Traktor..

Are you using the newest Traktor (sorry for the dumb questions )? Where you able to check the TSI yourself (~select filter IN action?)
Kandy Ahdoot
02.08.2010
Right sync probelm is now sorted noidea what it was as it was set to intr but changed it and switched it back and it now works

and yeah all my filters are on
Lynetta Piacentino
02.08.2010
Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
..
and i still cant figure out this sync problem
Regarding the SYNC stuff, do you have the same blocks as in this screenshot:
http://www.rodytheroady.nl/foto/normaal-traktor.png
(check out the top row with the FX units, but on the left there is a sync-block. In there you should choose INT(ernal) and then 100 bpm for example.

Do you normally have problems with sync as well (without using the apc?)

Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
i still dont get

-> Delay (green buttons)
-> Slicer (blue buttons)
-> Beatmasher (red buttons)

i get

-> mash (green buttons)
-> Slicer (blue buttons)
-> iceverb (red buttons)

...
This is really the weird part. The filter-change is hard coded per button. So if you click on the blue/red/green buttons below the switch to the specific filter is hard coded and set to delay/slicer/masher.

When I'm at home I'll try to check the TSI again and make a screenshot of the part where I set the filters in my TSI, maybe you can then, or already, check what your TSI says?

Do you have all filters enabled in your preferences?
Kandy Ahdoot
01.08.2010
i still dont get

-> Delay (green buttons)
-> Slicer (blue buttons)
-> Beatmasher (red buttons)

i get

-> mash (green buttons)
-> Slicer (blue buttons)
-> iceverb (red buttons)

and i still cant figure out this sync problem
Lynetta Piacentino
01.08.2010
Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
on the fx bank 3 and 4 what do you have it set has or does it change auto?

all so when pressing sync button its setting my bpm to 124.13 on the other track and other way round so its not syncing?

btw thanks for all your help on this sorry to be a pain in the ass
No problem at all, thanks for trying out and letting me you your thoughts !

The fx units 3 and for 4 do auto set to:
-> Delay (green buttons)
-> Slicer (blue buttons)
-> Beatmasher (red buttons)
(unit 3 is locked to deck A, unit 4 is locked to deck B)

I didn't suggest the filters for unit 1 and 2 did I? They are not set automatically yet.

But my suggestion is:
FX UNIT 1 (chained)
-> ICEVERB
-> MULHOLLANDDRIVE (something like that )
-> PEAK FILTER

FX UNIT 2 (chained)
-> DELAY
-> GATER
-> BEATMASHER

(2 of these filters are also on the fx unit 3 and 4, but now you have the possiblity to freely play with the dry/wet and amounts)

The SYNC button is exactly working as the standard SYNC button on Traktor itself, the button isn't map to anything else. Maybe you can check the BPM-unit on top (if you have enabled its view via the preferences). In that BPM-unit you have the option to set the BPM yourself, automatically or via your midi device. I've mine set to manual, then both decks will work fine (also the sample-button will work best with sync on).

EDIT: I see you addition to your post now , my effects are my suggested fx for units 1 and 3, feel free to use your own prefered ones.
Kandy Ahdoot
01.08.2010
on the fx bank 3 and 4 what do you have it set has or does it change auto?

all so when pressing sync button its setting my bpm to 124.13 on the other track and other way round so its not syncing?

btw thanks for all your help on this sorry to be a pain in the ass

as i see on yout mapping efx 3 and 4 banks are

delay
slice
mash

on mine they are

mash
slice
ice
Lynetta Piacentino
01.08.2010
Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
ahh yes its all working now thanks i am loving it
Great! Enjoy!

If you're done playing with the basic, go check out the 'SAMPLER' button (4th blue button for deck a (and of course 8th blue button for deck b), some tips on this:

You can record 8 beats into the slice fx by using this button, so if you turn it on and then play around with the cues it records 8 beats and then plays your 'show' again. You can even pause the original track and it will still continues to play. So the next thing in the mapping will be the possibility to record a sample, and then play through the sample with some new beats/cues (probably just by setting dry/wet to 0.5 , more to come!)

For now enjoy this map! I've played a lot with it myself. Playing with the echo (especially the first green button) is sooo cool. Using voices or cool sounds, put the delay1 button on, then switch the delay off and set the music back on. The echo of the voice will continue for a while, and still the original track is already playing, way cool

(hopefully this makes sense, haha).
Kandy Ahdoot
01.08.2010
ahh yes its all working now thanks i am loving it
Lynetta Piacentino
01.08.2010
Originally Posted by CassoIVchoon
right have done all that now everything works apart from the fx3 and fx4 banks pressing the buttons does nothing they light up for a second but does not trigger the efx in them banks they dont move or come on :S
(I've updated the image-jpg in my previous post by the way..)

Did you set the fx units 3 and 4 to advanced? (so unit 1 and 2 to chained, unit 3 and 4 to advanced?)
Kandy Ahdoot
01.08.2010
right have done all that now everything works apart from the fx3 and fx4 banks pressing the buttons does nothing they light up for a second but does not trigger the efx in them banks they dont move or come on :S

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