APC 40 mapping Traktor 2 multi page clip layout
APC 40 mapping Traktor 2 multi page clip layout Posted on: 09.05.2011 by Lavona Lobner EDIT 4: Version 3.1 on page 3 sorry it messed up the saveOk so i've been doing my research on this and thought instead of adding to extremely long posts on this subject that i would ask my questions outright in order that the information is separated. Basically i understand how to assign buttons knobs and led's with feedback loops etc. but no-one has quite made everything controllable that i would want. for example if i get all four decks then i lose out on cue points or full eq loses out on effects. i have tried about 4-5 different tsi files and they all have their merits but they are also not cross compatible, i would pull apart the Red Mapping that is on YouTube as he seems to have done what i am requiring but i cannot find it posted anywhere. So here is what i want to know: as i understand it having the apc in dumb mode stops there being any "Bank selection" toggle. 1. so i would like to try and create 5 "pages" of the apc's clip launch. in doing so i would need a button to be on for which ever page i wanted to select, possibly the Scene Launch buttons but preferably the track selection at the bottom. The idea being to have: Page1: Deck A only Page2: Deck B only Page3: Deck C only Page4: Deck D only Page5: All 4 decks as in the Andre Detoxx or Raising Cane tsi's, (This function has been scrapped in the TSI as it needs a midi translator) this way i can be aware of all 4 decks play functions and basic loops but if i want to use effects and or cue points and loops etc i can have full toggle functionality on any individual deck. i would want this then to change the knobs with the same button to be controlling the parameters of these decks and corresponding effects, i assume this is done with modifiers..? 2. i'd like to do is have the knobs on a send state loop to avoid soft crossovers and to have the led's show the position, i am told this has issues on pc systems but i couldn't find the fix anywhere and i tried a .tsi that uses it... the only thing i noticed was the knobs were jerky but i didn't hear any "crackle" that i read about can someone expand on this please and maybe post the fix? My system is: Rampage III extreme MB I7 980x 12GB dominator GT RAM and an Audigy 2 Running dual screen from a Geforce 450 GTS, but that shouldn't matter for audio so there is nothing here that means my system will not handle anything i throw at it (except perhaps usb 2 bandwidth) 3.Oh and before i post this one other thing to say, i noticed that some people split their tsi files up and have for example Mixer, Deck A, Deck B, Fx as standalone maps inside the tsi do modifiers then work across all for example if i put a modifier in Mixer control and then make something in Deck A do something if that modifier is putting out a 1 will it trigger in Deck A too or do i have to write the modifier into each of the pieces separately effectively having 6 or 7 modifier 1 in's for the same Key on the apc? hope that makes sense... gonna try to make it all work whilst i await a reply. EDIT: I've attatched the FINISHED 2.1 TSI here and the jpeg of the mapping to go with it EDIT2: Got the jpeg slightly wrong it's ACBD for faders vol and pitch fixing it now, t'was very late when i was doing it. Fixed, this post now has correct jpeg EDIT3: Version 3 and jpeg on Page 3 including EQ Kills and Previewload/unload and seek Comes complete with correct LED light sync for EQ, Filter and Effect Amounts. | |
| Lavona Lobner 06.06.2012 | http://community
.djranking
s.com/showthread.php?t=53026 here is the new mapping thread and the Jpeg is now up |
| Lavona Lobner 01.06.2012 | So i'm re doing the entire mapping for the new 2.5 version it will be much more streamlined but following many of the same principles and LED states as previous versions it's almost finished but i'm having some trouble with the new remix decks as they aren't completely midi assignable just yet so i'm working out the best course of action for further updates as they're available. I'll even do a video for it as i've now got some HD camera's watch this space. |
| Lavona Lobner 10.05.2012 | New Send Monitor State Fix links for you in case you need it: Oron: http://oron.com/a2mmgneffom5 Download File - 2.1 Mb Depositfiles: http://depositfiles.com/files/xhupv0gut Easybytes: http://www.easybytez.com/mmpsqi9gnamn Final Beta.rar - 2.1 MB |
| Lavona Lobner 11.02.2012 | cool good luck with it all then if you use the 64_40 script and monomulator max patch in the chain too those clip stop buttons are already used by one of them as extra banks in ableton so that's why i haven't used those myself. |
| Jeanette Germer 11.02.2012 | Hey man I just wanted to let you know I got everything working, thanks so much for your help and being so open with your project. I had to switch on the virtual ports in Bome's preferences, it didn't add the second port for me automatically it took me a bit to figure that out but I switched the sysex message from 40 to 42 for using my personal mapping and then switched over the first 4 faders' virtual ports and viola full traktor control and full ableton control when i want it, it's a thing of beauty! I'll end up switching the decks' volume faders back most likely once i figure out exactly which tracks i'll have them on, but i'm stoked for now. I also ended up changing where the master switches are, right now i have it shift+clipstop 1 ableton shift+clipstop 2 traktor shift+clipstop 3 drum rack shift+clipstop 4 monome shift+clipstop 5 vj Thanks again, Sean |
| Lavona Lobner 24.01.2012 | yup it's entirely bomes the LED's are feedback inside Bome's, Live doesn't send any data at all it just receives midi on/off's for the notes of the drum rack which for some reason i have told florian are actually 1 octave above what Live says it is playing so C2 is C3 etc out of Bomes. Without Live running the drum rack will still lightup, if you hold shift and push clip stop 1 and let go of shift it will stay there until u change preset again. same with the monome, but tbh without converting to and from OSC messages it's not going to work properly. OSC are like folders where a command can have the same name but different root but are generally much more descriptive in their naming than midi. Monomulator uses Max to intercept and convert these messages to and from the midi the APC uses and unfortunately Bome's does not understand these messages to my knowledge so it would be about making timers and such to turn on and off lights independent of the actual program, now take into account BPM and we might have a problem, other than that maybe python could do it or a Max4live patch in program but why break something that someone else did better and gives you extra functions on PAN and Send's ABC plus choice of light colour... so i gave up with that. oh and i don't have or know anyone who owns a camera. hilarious as i did a video masters for the last 7 years so no videos can be made. laters man |
| Jeanette Germer 24.01.2012 | You read my mind, my next project was getting the monomulator or sevenup running. I'm still just a little fuzzy on what you're using to do the Hold shift + clip stop 1 for Drum Rack direct, is it something that's happening in/through bome's? I'm still working on getting it all together but i'm taking a break for the evening
, it would be great to see a video example of your performance integrating the grandvj, it seems like it's pretty much where i'm trying to go with my setup. Thanks again for your help and interest |
| Lavona Lobner 23.01.2012 | Working Bome's Preset on the Bome's community
http://www.bome.com/community s/viewtopic...4&p=9271#p9271 Ignore the Monome preset it's not working properly it does trigger Molar correctly it just won't light up so if you load Molar in a channel in Live it will work for the 1st 8 slices of a beat on the 5 rows. this has LED memory for Traktor channel 1 and Ableton does all it's own thing *Traktor on Virtual Midi out 1, Live on Virtual Midi out 2. Both Bome's, turn on Track and remote for Bome's 2 in Live for both in and out and set the Script of your choice to these in the dropdowns. *Hold shift + press Channel 7 Record/Arm for Traktor or Solo/Cue for Live or Activator for Arkaos (Virtual Port 3). *Hold shift + clip stop 1 for Drum Rack direct (requires drum rack loaded and Record/Arm lit for the channel) *Hold Shift + clip stop 2 for Monome (requires Molar loaded and Record/Arm lit for channel) |
| Lavona Lobner 23.01.2012 | Hi sean yeah i worked out that i didn't need the shift command sysex if i use the sysex to change states of the apc itself. as soon as i change to ableton state 040 it picks up the shift button and refreshes the leds on its own it's only going back to traktor that the LED's need a Send Monitor State to tell Traktor to refresh. i haven't been working on this for sometime as i was getting used to traktor and my apc on their own and i believe u might be right in believeing it's ableton that recognises it as it seems to only send the note on/off's in Traktor. I believe it is because of the internal mode of the APC but i discovered that i didn't need to do anything but blank traktor virtual outs or ableton vice versa to allow for the mappings on either end... basically just a load of global blanks in one direction. I also realised if you start a chain of little Max patches like Monomulator and anything else you can have all the functionality of that too and with the 64_40 script that adds to it and i don't need to really write any banks in ableton except for fun i guess. the only thing that i have done is the drum rack as i wanted the buttons to change colour when pressed which the 64_40 script doesn't do (cop out if u ask me) and i want to make the last pad functions from the now well old video everyone's seen but with monomulator and 64_40 i am not really seeing what else is needed on the matrix side of APC + Ableton. and you know my progress with Traktor so it's all about remembering those globals for State 1 in Traktor to refresh them when traktor preset is activated. with regards to button choice i am not able to toggle on a single button because i will and have got GrandVJ to consider too whereby the Activator button on the same channel is used to select that and currently for DJ sets i'm using 1 channel of audio from traktor and 2-3 channels of midi plus and audio or 2... stilll not getting to channel 7 in ableton here... so those buttons are currently unused by any program, but i was believeing of moving them eventually once the technicals are ironed out or at least stopping the code sending through if shift is held for the solo/cue button. The other point you asked about was jack... i didn't mention audio routing because you were asking about mappings but yes it's jack'd to the hilt but i don't want to go external in traktor as traktor's limiter is very good and ableton takes it all away again to need redoing and so if i route all decks to individual channels in ableton i basically have to set up a limiter on the master and that's just unnecessary if i route what i want to ableton and control all levels in traktor, which is why i use the headphone monitor in Jack to send to both my headphone out on soundcard & ableton in 1-2; then take abletons out 1-2 to aux in in traktor and abletons out 3-4 (cue) to my headphone out on soundcard.... it's alot of different things going to the same plugs but it lets me have control inside traktor easier instead of having to switch back and forth to bring things in and out. i prefer the idea of letting traktor do all my mixing and that requires constant attention and ableton is running in the background to do anything interesting i like with a preview option and gain level from traktor and an output level from both. python is something i can't be bothered with as it's another language that i have enough going on in my head to worry about Bome's does everything i want it too and the 64_40 script fills in the rest the Monomulator does things it doesn't and then Traktor works great for me it's all down to preference streamlinity and how B*stard hard your computer is... mine definitely is a beast and laughs at me mostly so more programs are fine. if you are going to look into this monomulator thing then you need to get your routes right on PC i go APC-Bomes-Midi Translator Virtual In/Out 2-Monomulator In/Out-Midi Yoke 3-4-ableton In/Out APC -Bomes-Midi Translator Virtual In/Out 2-Max Patch Send Monitor State Fix-Midi Yoke 1-2-Traktor So you need to connect the monomulator to ableton with something not Bomes to make a straight through pipe... and you need to start them it in the order they connect in so APC-Bomes-Monomulator-Ableton or they won't like you... also if you keep messing with stuff it might just break and a restart computer is required to stop the apc and computer from remembering eachother. which is prety gay. |
| Jeanette Germer 23.01.2012 | http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/ Could this help to figure out what the Shift button is saying to Ableton? Could it also be a possibility that the shift is just sending regular midi and telling ableton to do the heavy work? that seems to me to be the case according to this. http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/20...k-classes.html http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/20...classes-2.html http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html Let me know if u believe I'm wrong, but it seems like the shift button is just sending its regular midi data and ableton goes "oh the shift is being pressed, so i should re-believe all the midi i'm getting from the APC to check if i should be doing something different" is this making any sense? Once i get into bomes i'll be able to test my theory by mapping a new button to the midi note that "shift" is set to send on the APC, and see if it's still doing it's thing, but maybe you could do it much quicker. if so, a fix should be to have bomes send the same Midi note as "shift" when you press the "switch back to ableton" button. I know i have the knowledge to do this, it'll just be slow going while I get the hang of it, so if i'm switching any lights on for you have at it! Hope this helps! P.S. This last link http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html has info on using the APC 20 note mode with APC 40, but i don't exactly see where he's getting the sysex string from. good luck |
| Jeanette Germer 22.01.2012 | Okay I believe I understand a little better now after reading your posts on the bomes community
s, it's alot to try and explain in single posts haha. I'm starting to get my head around your approach i believe. Have you thought about using a button other than the activator/solo to switch between ableton and traktor mode so you don't have the problem of messing with track 7 in ableton? such as one of the track select buttons or the pan or clip track buttons over on the right. If u haven't gotten the shift sysex command thing figured out yet to update the led feedback? you might find some of this useful, but might have already seen it.http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/20...classes-2.html It seems like instead of using the shift button you could also map send Monitor state to the same button that you use to switch back to traktor? So to clear up ur plan is to have state 1 traktor state 2 ableton state 3 drum rack? I'm running bomes version 1.6.3 on Mac. Is there a reason you're using your headphones output to your input and not using jack or soundflower to route it internally? Sorry if i'm asking dumb questions, I've been looking back and fourth at a ton of different posts and threads and my head's a little spun at the moment |
| Lavona Lobner 22.01.2012 | what version of Bome's have u got i only found 1.6 for free b4 and it doesn't have the midi router u need to split the apc to different cables by preset... all the info and the very 1st presets can be found here... http://www.bome.com/community
s/viewtopic...nspacial#p8964 u want the last one's labelled testing sysex: they split traktor and ableton so u can see how but without 1.7 you can't do it... also PC or MAC? but they're not fully working as when u switch back to Traktor the knobs stay in ableton for state 1 as they are both on midi channel 1 so the APC internally only remembers 1 state, all other states are hidden to ableton and so are remembered fine, it's purely low and mid eq's for all decks, i'm working on it now before i upload a new template with other states in ableton like direct drum rack etc. the Eq's only react in traktor as soon as you move them but it is not clean by any standards. and if you want to see the lights light up properly switching back to traktor you have to use a Send Monitor State In which means a hotcue for you, i have just added the stop all clips button myself as just that function on my traktor mapping here to accomodate and as nothing goes through to ableton in the traktor preset it works fine. ableton will refresh everything as the shift button will send it's Sysex as soon as ableton is activated... put some clips in ableton to see the change happen easier. i'll make up a version with the fx controls on modifiers for u to see what i mean and the entire EQ and Filters ARE available when in beatmash mode the modifier is purely changing the beatjump and EQ Kills on the buttons mentioned there is nothing mapped under that modifier for the knobs, i am working on moving the mix volume and aux to a modifier similar to the beatmasher but a different button as i am running ableton from the headphone monitor and back through the aux to preserve a deck and to have control over it without holding down a button |
| Jeanette Germer 22.01.2012 | I appreciate ur help with this, I've got some homework on my plate to get to before i get back into this too heavily, but I like what you're doing with the state changes giving more detailed control of all the FX controls at once, and then switching to the filter state to have all the filters controlled. I almost feel like i have two theories about apc mapping, one very closely follows ur approach to having everything mapped out completely using the insane amount of controls the apc offers, and it seems like ur recent mapping is the epitome of that philosophy, something i would utilize when using traktor as one part of a live band/show, to have maximum control over what i'm playing. On the other hand, I want to be able to do filter sweep while i'm working the beatmasher and building up a reverb effect, all basically at the same without using modifiers etc, to give me more access to different types of controls, sacrificing more detailed control of FX parameters, so I can be rockin it and also playing a beat pad or keyboard and not be tripping over all my buttons just to get the sound back to clean when i switch to the next song, if u know what i mean. In my own mapping I'm only using two decks and have the activator/solo/rec buttons as on/off controls for different fx parameters, very similar to how you map the beatmasher to the activator buttons, with the knobs giving detailed control of the fx a la Subcussion's mapping. http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...911#post419911. In this way I'm trying to get the push-button knob-turn insta-mash that i can rock on without too much effort. "it would be possible with not much work to have all 4 FX controllable by knobs all at the same time, so have FX 1&3 on the top 8 knobs and 2&4 on the bottom for example, and at a switch of a button in that state you could have back your filters and your high notes. similarly you could do away with the 2nd and 3rd states and have Device on/off or the 2 arrow keys to change the states of the top and bottom sets on state 1 without having to compromise eq or filter in the same way ever again." I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, but it would be cool to have 1 state/set of controls with a mix of filter and FX controls, as well as the full-on control of them individually in the other states. I've been looking for a bomes torrent for ages now, i'm a student and can't really justify spending the money on it, but i've been resourceful and have traktor working as an external instrument in live, using the hanz apc 64_40 script (http://remotescripts.blogspot.com/p/apc-64-40.html ) to send midi notes to traktor, but this leaves me confined to the matrix grid and any controls that i feel like giving up from the ableton interface. As I'm writing this I've aquired a version of Bome's, so if you could post the project file it would help very much. Anyway thanks for the reply, it's great having many heads working on something rather than one. I'm just starting up school again for the semester so once I get back in the groove of things I should have some more time to play with your mappings. |
| Lavona Lobner 16.01.2012 | Please do the following in Controller Manager before you start: 1. Sort by Mapped to 2. Scroll down to Ch05.CC.016 3. Click Effect 1 Select, check is Tape Delay 4. Click Effect 2 Select, Phaser Pulse 5. Effect 3 Select, Gater 6. Effect select FX1 is Delay T3 if any are wrong then most likely all will be wrong but check Ch05 CC017 to be sure they should be: Effect 1 Select: Delay Effect 2 Select: Flanger Pulse Effect 3 Select: Filter 92: Pulse Effect Select FX1: Gater If they are right then get on with setting your knobs and mixing if not comprehensive list of the rest you will need to assign below: Ch05.CC.018 FX2&4 Effect 1 Select: Delay Effect 2 Select: Flanger Pulse Effect 3 Select: Filter 92: Pulse Effect Select FX2: Gater Ch05.CC.019 FX2&4 Effect 1 Select: Tape Delay Effect 2 Select: Phaser Pulse Effect 3 Select: Gater Effect Select FX1: Delay T3 Ch05.CC.020FX1&3 Effect 1 Select: Reverb Effect 2 Select: Filter 92: Pulse Effect 3 Select: Iceverb Effect Select FX1: Delay Ch05.CC.021 FX1&3 Effect 1 Select: Reverb T3 Effect 2 Select: Delay Effect 3 Select: Reverb Effect Select FX1: Delay Ch05.CC.022 FX2&4 Effect 1 Select: Reverb T3 Effect 2 Select: Delay Effect 3 Select: Reverb Effect Select FX2: Delay Ch05.CC.023 FX2&4 Effect 1 Select: Reverb Effect 2 Select: Filter 92:Pulse Effect 3 Select: Iceverb Effect Select FX2: Delay Ch03.Note.F3 FX1 Effect Select FX1: Transpose Stretch FX2 Effect Select FX2: Delay T3 FX3 Effect 1 Select: Delay Effect 2 Select: Flanger Effect 3 Select: Gater FX4 Effect 1 Select: Reverb Effect 2 Select: Bouncer Effect 3 Select: Delay T3 obviously these can all be set to whatever you wish and these are the controls to do it. There is one other you should check Ch01.Note. A#3 Effect Select should be Beatmasher 2 if you want to use the Beatmasher buttons described in a post above. Mac users just set input and output to APC40 not midiyokes which you don't have. |
| Lavona Lobner 12.01.2012 | ok it's screwed, took it to mates last evening and all the fx are wrong rset buttons etc i'm going to overhaul it all but i'm away fpr the next 3 days if i get a chance i'll upload it asap maybe with a list of controller mappings and dropdowns to set if i have to. |
| Lavona Lobner 10.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by seannash
you can actually use as many programs as your computer will handle running at the same time with Bome's and any midi controller, i run Grand VJ ableton and traktor seperatley from 1 apc if i'm in the mood and have projectors at hand. |
| Lavona Lobner 10.01.2012 | Right so you inspired me to go deeper with this sean and i started messing with it alot in the last couple of days and in doing so noticed that NI had changed the way in which knobs interact depending on what CC they must send and a couple of knobs actually stopped working... back tracking this i discovered that knobs on the apc can no longer function as direct buttons if they are created in traktor now and if the old assignment is clicked and viewed in the controller manager (which is what i must have done). This has posed 2 problems since i have now fixed it, The APC knobs will not work as Fader\Knob in direct mode only as relative, so all Knobs and Faders are relative. That is the first problem, the second is that the APC although is lovely and i'm not selling it for any reason, the LED ring is not detailed enough to actually see what is going on CC value wise and i believe that NI have put middle of their knobs not on a whole number with the result that it is nigh on impossible to hit 0 on any knob anymore. That said i always overdrive my bass and treble to get a clean change over and punch between tracks. So in this beta (because of the next part) all knobs are relative and you will have to turn them all the way round both directions multiple times for it to pickup the beginning and end of the CC output. it will the first time move from 0 on the apc to anywhere and push the knob in traktor and then stop until you catch up with it... on all states before you start. Also of note here if you change the slider values in traktor for say an effect, say using a button.. hint hint, then the next time you go to look at the 'state the apc knobs are for that effect the knobs will work as i have just said so you will have to reset these before bringing in the effect or deal with it quickly, especially if it's the dry/wet knob. (I will be playing around with this for a while to see if rewriting them helps at all for direct input but it might be a NI problem. So. I have moved the States for FX 2 and 3, swapped them over so Bank/State 2 is now FX1 dry/wet,para1,para2,para3 on top and FX3 dry/wet,fxamount 1, fx amount 2, fx amount 3 on the bottom and the same in Bank/State 3 FX2 on top F4 underneath. this way you can control a single/advanced effect whilst controlling a group effect at the sametime in either case. There is now a Beatmasher section which i have copied the basics from the Midi Fighter to implement it on the APC i chose to use the Activator buttons to do it as they toggle on and off and when experimenting with the clip launch buttons they were more accurate and consistent. to access this you will need to be in Bank/State 1 and press the clip/track button under your EQ Low for Deck A. If it is lit then you are in Beatmasher mode and you should see FX 1 is Beatmasher 2. Then use the first 4 activator buttons to start at 1/4's on button 1 1/8's button 2, 1/16's on 3 and 1/32's on 4. if you press them in order like this then you must use Button 1 to cancel all the other button resetting the effect and if you use any of the other 3 seperately then you must turn them off individually. i have found it interesting to use the Effect Button 2 seperately on the main clip launch to make the rolls more airy but felt it was better to have control over this being on or not. There are then 3 more combo buttons on the bottom row Record Arm buttons and 3 reverse sweeps for these effects on the Solo/Cue buttons above them. The 2nd activator button does not turn off the FX unit on's that it creates on your focused deck you must do this manually . The 3rd Solo/Cue button is purely FX3 & 4 dry/wet sequential reduction and so can be used to take out an effect smoothly without affecting your sound but can also be stopped at any point during it's sweep down by deactivating the Solo/Cue button. the other 2 are specific to their Record/Arm buttons underneath. These are all the buttons on the left hand side of the APC. If the Clip/Track button is lit on state 1 then you are in this mode and your eq kills will not work until u release it. There are still a couple of bugs here that i'm trying to iron out but i'd like some feed back on it none the less. I'm considering ditching the 3rd State altogether atm and i'd really like your opinion, basically i've worked out in all this that i can change the entire APC with modifiers of buttons that turn on and off i.e the activators the Clip/track etc. and this means that the APC has (8x8)+4+24=92 switches which is a ridiculous number of switches give or take a few because the 'detail view' and 'rec quantisation' buttons are not. but anyway... uit would be possible with not much work to have all 4 FX controllable by knobs all at the same time, so have FX 1&3 on the top 8 knobs and 2&4 on the bottom for example, and at a switch of a button in that state you could have back your filters and your high notes. similarly you could do away with the 2nd and 3rd states and have Device on/off or the 2 arrow keys to change the states of the top and bottom sets on state 1 without having to compromise eq or filter in the same way ever again. The top example allows you to have a 1 button switch over by leaving the single button on on that state you could just hit bank 1 or 3 to switch between them but the 2nd offers bass changes and FX control or filter sweeps and FX control at the same time... your thoughts please worls... let the experiment continue. No Jpeg yet just TSi files it's 7am and i haven't been to sleep yet it aint happenin til i've made the final choices and smoothed some shizz out. Please download and tell me what you believe |
| Jeanette Germer 08.01.2012 | Amazing work! I feel like this is really unlocking the potential of the apc. You mentioned using the stop clips with ableton, are you using one controller to control traktor and ableton? |
| Lavona Lobner 08.01.2012 | Updated and reconfigured FX Macros with future updates planned. jpeg to match. enjoy |
| Lavona Lobner 08.01.2012 | Hi Sean, I'm about to upload a new version that has been remapped for Traktor version 2.1.2 as the FX Macro's don't remember with every update they do. but the dual program thing is impossible without an intermediate program called Bomes Midi Translator and there is no cracked version of this so i had to buy it for |
| Jeanette Germer 08.01.2012 | You're doing amazing work here, it's helping to allow the APC to be the controller it should be in the first place. Thanks so much. You meantioned the Stop clips button for use with ableton, are you using the APC to control both at the same time? |
| Lavona Lobner 28.11.2011 | Sorry to you guys who downloaded the last version here's another 1 this has a single update in that i now understand how to warp the grid whilst a track is playing so the only change here is if you hold MOD 3 (4th from the left top row red button) then the nudge buttons now turn red and if you hold them down they will phase match your track. So if your tracks not grid matched by Traktor properly once the track is playing in Sync mode in your headphones use the Nudge buttons to push the phase out and the beat in then hold MOD 3 and use the Move Grid FWD/BWD accordingly to bring the sync's back in to phase. Nice... i knew Traktor could be used like 12/10's and here it is. Make sure you stay in Tempo Sync mode not Beat Sync and Instant not On Release and Vinyl not Snap (already set in preferences but just in case you decide to play with them.) If you get lag on the input then change it to Slow CPU Mode and that should sort it out. |
| Rashida Rodney 23.11.2011 | So so dope! I really like what you are doing here. Im going to check it out and try it. Obviously not this wknd as its a holiday weekend and time to spend with family. |
| Lavona Lobner 22.11.2011 | Okay so i've been working with this for sometime now and got into Bomes quite heavily which made me rebelieve some minor details for my own use but i did not see the need outside of my own use in Bomes (essentially i have freed up the stop all clips button for use with ableton easier). but now having had quite a few thoughts about reworking the clip matrix to suite the layout of Traktor a bit better i have finally got around to it. The only thing changed here is the layout of the lower 3 rows of the clip launch and the Load unload's have been moved 1 clip stop to the left. the Jpeg should be self explanatory but i will go over it here as i have not changed the Txt in it as it mostly still applies. So the 3rd row down now splits the matrix and contains the sample deck plays and the Filter On's. This takes away the nice squares that they formed which made them easy to locate but frees up the FX to take up 2 rows echoing Traktor's display. so we have 2 single FX 1 & 2 on the 4th row and then 3 group FX on the 5th row FX 3 & 4. The LED's have been switched a bit to prevent confusion so the Sample Slots are green when off and flash red when playing and the Filters are amber and flashing amber instead of green and flashing green. That's it the rest is the same, this allows you to use your FX as left and right if you want it visually or as all 4 in combination as i prefer. Enjoy |
| Rodger Mangus 22.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by nonspacial
the best one of all i have tested. |
| Elvina Zwally 25.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by nonspacial
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| Lavona Lobner 24.08.2011 | Sorry it took so long been making music for 2 weeks since the festival. There is now a Jpeg Zipped 2 TSI's PC and Mac (and a word document with instructions and Zoomed pictures that is too big to upload so email me and i'll send it to you) |
| Gale Breithaupt 18.08.2011 | Thanks for all your hard work. This layout seems great. I have one problem though. When I go to any of the other states besides state one my knobs don't work as the layout says. I have no control over my FX. I was wondering if you knew what might be going on here? I have done everything requested with the FIX and I have your TSI 5.5. |
| Lavona Lobner 10.08.2011 | 5 Macro FX on State 5 for FX 1 & 3 plus a reset back to the FX layout that comes with the tsi. If you want to change any of the chains you can do so by finding the CC's on Midi Channel 5 and then locate the Effect Selects, there is a drop down menu at the bottom that contains all the effects in a list. I will be creating more as i go and adding some on FX 2 & 4, but i will not be doubling up any for left and right of the mixer. If you find some nice chains post them below. *PC Users read my Post on page 4 called 'The Fix' (if you haven't already) and do as it says to make the tsi work properly* |
| Dwight Thukral 08.08.2011 | hey nonspecial. i am axciously awaiting the new EQ setup(filters on the top row) you sent me the pc version in your email. also when your back i have a couple things that may or may not beable to be added, ill explain in detail when your not busy |
| Lavona Lobner 02.08.2011 | Your gonna have to email me for the Jpeg at [email protected] 2day if you want a good copy, been at this for hours and gotta do shit for 2moro leaving. |
| Lavona Lobner 02.08.2011 | i'm unsure as to why you're so concerned about the low EQ tbh if it's needed to be killed because it's going to clip or the sounds won't mix in key or whatever then the EQ kills are always there. the filter is more important however. I don't believe my brain will work well with an upside down EQ system, it's backwards after all. However if you want to change them for yourself then all you have to do is click the Learn button (it will go yellow/orange) and twist the knob you want to assign, go down the list (check Deck ABCD before twisting) then un-highlight Learn and change the Outs to the corresponding CC+8. eg if EQ high A is midi channel 1 CC52 then the LED ring output is midi channel 1 CC60 and so on. I believe i am always going to release updates Filter, High, Mid, Low top to bottom from now on, have been working with it last evening and it feels good. oh and the pic is currently my bain, this site won't let you upload any larger than 195.3KB jpegs so my latest version won't even upload as it's larger than that and looks shit i agree. i believe the only way to do it is to remake it all on less pixels in the 1st place which is pretty gay and time consuming. thanks for the input man. |
| Dwight Thukral 01.08.2011 | thanks for the quick reply. in regard to the filter and FX. i believe the best way in my opinion to set this up would be (from top to bottom) the filter, low, mid, high. that way the filter and the low nobs will always be accesable, and when you are in the FX states, the high and mid get lost. i believe that the filter and low are most inportent to beable to tweak at any time. also i dont wanna sound like a complainer but is there anyway you could make a more "HD" pic. im having a hard time reading some of the things in your Jpeg. thanks |
| Lavona Lobner 01.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by kfgreen420
1: originally i set up the eq and filters this way as it matched the way i imagined most would be used to using, but it wasn't until much later when i had mapped the entire matrix and deck selects etc that i started to look at the other states. Now the way the other 'states' work is internally controlled by the APC. The 'States' only change the lower 8 knobs midi channel and i am not aware of any way to change the same for the top 8 knobs, they are static. So your suggestion of changing the top 8 knobs instead is impossible to my knowledge, correct me if i am wrong someone. 2. I then went about making the FX 1 and 2 controls and again originally completely forgot/did not believe about the Dry/wet controls and wanted to find a way to put 3 knobs in action placing the blank one's in a place that was least problematic, i figured left and right hands would be used to control 2 FX at a time and then like a piano you would bring them together at the top, e.g. two right angles. a few updates ago i realised there was a dry/wet knob and just added it in the space. i'm not sure if i want to change the layout from this or not now, but straight lines is certainly possible only on the bottom two rows of knobs as stated above. I am believeing about what you say regarding the filters and low knobs being lost, i often work with 4 decks and find that i work around the idea with filter & FX separately, but i can see the validity of the filter being in constant use. What do you believe about moving the Filter to the topmost row and then the others down 1? If you are gonna lose some anyway then mid and low can be compensated for with filter in the interim periods when using FX parameters. I'm potentially going to go with this anyway as it seems to make the most sense. |
| Dwight Thukral 01.08.2011 | Hey, again id like to say i really like your mapping here, best one iv seen so far, looking forward to the upcoming updates. thought i would share some layout suggestions. like i said before im a noob so if for any reason you disagree, lemme know, and tell me why, just for learning purposes so first i like how you have your EQ set up in columns, keeps thing organized and neat. however i don't like when you change from state 1(EQ) to state 2/3(FXS) that the filter and low nobs arnt tweakable. I believe that if your were to just rearange the order which is currently(from top to bottom) hi, mid, low, filter; and flip it to filter, low, mid, hi that would be great! then when you switch to state 2/3 to tweak the FXs with the lower 8 nobs, then the filter and low nobs for each deck are still available for tweaking in the top 8 nobs without having to switch back and forth from state 1 to state 2 to access FX's and the low/filter nobs. OR you could leave the order you have which makes most sence having the "hi" on top, and the "low" on the bottom, and put all the FX's in the top 8 nobs instead of the lower 8. its all up to you man, both will get the same results Secondly i believe that the layout you made for the FX's in general is a little confusing. Everything else you made seems perfectly organized so im sure there is some stratigic reason why you put the FX's nobs the way you did. But i believe it would make most sence to order it this way(from left to right) dry/wet, parameter 1, 2,3. Any reason why you put the 2 dry/wet in the middle bottom row? i always get confused when tweakin parmeters which ones im actually tweaking. the order i mention above i thought would be the most organized lemme know what you believe about my 2 suggestions. also because im a noooob i cant believe of any macro suggestions. ill try out fucking with some parameters and making some macro suggestions. the one in the vid i posted about tho seems AMAZING. |
| Lavona Lobner 01.08.2011 | I am going away for at least week on weds so any replies after 2moro will be dealt with when i get back. please feel free to give me your ideas for effect chain macro's, that you use/would like to use. just tell me the FX names you want on a single knob, state whether Single/Grouped, and any info on how you use it, like the feedback echo out in the video above. Also worth noting here: if you want to add anything to the tsi on your own for testing purposes, by splitting the TSI as i have seen some do into Mixer/FX and other controls as separate midi devices (by adding a new one at the top) you increase the size of the TSI by Mb's and so i had to spend a couple of hours recreating them in the very long list of controls already in the "Everything" Device. I ended up with a 3.1Mb file which could not be uploaded to this site but by putting them all in the single device it is only 710Kb. My point is purely to illustrate the choice to make all the controls so confusing, and my only workaround i can suggest is to sort the list's by Control 1st and then by Mapped to, this way you can see all commands on a single midi button/knob and then see what it controls alphabetically. seems to organise it easier for the eyes if you want to learn how it works for yourself. have fun Robbie |
| Lavona Lobner 31.07.2011 | Version 5 with Jpeg and Macro Knobs |
| Lavona Lobner 30.07.2011 | Primarily for Kfgreen420 but also to clarify a few things: I believe i should explain myself a little bit here about the way the FX are laid out. Basically i'm coming from a production perspective to DJ'ing, for me all FX are for all Decks and mixing and mashing 4 decks through the same FX or not is a choice that i make on the fly. so the layout is designed that you would turn on said FX on the Deck of choice and then be able to tweak it's parameters thereafter. Taking on-board what the 'Broad' as you put it has done i have recreated this effect on a State 5 Knob set but don't actually see the value of splitting the FX Left and Right deck specific. You have a flashing light on the APC to say whether anything is active on the specific Deck you are looking at and you can see in Traktor which other Decks have that effect on or not so i have concluded useless midi info to double this feature up on a separate state. I am looking into more FX Macro's to chain together under single knobs any suggestions would be welcome, before i upload a working version of it. I have also included in the next version 5 a Reset FX to the original that comes with this TSI as these are the FX i use solo most. Also in Version 5 will be Snap Mode and Quantize Mode On/Off buttons with LED's correctly assigned. |
| Lavona Lobner 29.07.2011 | Nothing added simply an overhaul of the knobs to stop the annoying jerky feedback going on with the FX rack amounts. all knobs now work smoothly and correctly. You will still need to set them on all 'States' before you begin to mix ofc. Macro's coming soon. |
| Lavona Lobner 29.07.2011 | Well that looks simple enough, I will invest-imi-gate into this for you, i have 3 "States" left which means 24 knobs and 24 buttons so shouldn't be a prob. will take some weeks as i am now pretty busy with festivals for the next two to three. i got my apc not too long ago too, and i had never DJ'd til i had it and realised it could be mapped to traktor. The way i set it up was so that it could be configured by anyone to their own setup without changing Decks around and such but i have got problems with the LED ring feedback on the effect amount knobs i''m believeing that it has to do with the way i have setup the original inputs and so i'm going to look over it with what she lays out here. having said that she is using knobs with no LED position and so it could just be inherent in the apc to be jumpy for this. you'll see how i get on in maybe later today if it works out. |
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