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Less than a week (VMS4). What to do?
Posted on: 23.04.2010 by Shay Wyche
D'oh!

I've mis-read the delivery due date, it's a month to go.


I'm seriously considering selling my EKS Otus to fund buying an American Audio VMS4. It's around a week until they hit the stores in the UK - link - I believe I really want one of these, as it has a great layout, it will do everything I need it to do and it's relatively cheap.

My days of gigging are more or less over (I'm 37 years old now and haven't played out for 6 years), this seems too good to be true for me. Has anyone actually got there hands on one yet?
Errol Bernabei
08.08.2010
Originally Posted by looneygeorge
What about the new NI controller? I feel it looks abit better as it stands now
No ones knows anything for sure by the looks of it.

http://www.djranking s.com/2010/07/2...ontroller_new/

It could also be a long way off release. 6 months+ at a guess.
Adrien Hochstrasser
09.08.2010
Looks very promising. Kind of like a budget Xone:4D except 25% of the price.

For those of you knocking rubber buttons, I like rubber buttons! Think of them as a midi pad, not a midi fighter...
Leeanna Ayla
09.08.2010
Wow that's bad. Maybe I'll go post that NI teaser video in all those threads.
daniela klein
09.08.2010
Looks like I'll be waiting for version 2 -- if I don't end up with the new NI controller).
Kecia Wnukowski
09.08.2010
I was having a look at the vms4's community to get the first feedbacks around the unit, for those interested you should have a look too. Makes you believe twice.
Shay Wyche
09.08.2010
VMS4 skin!!!!

Shay Wyche
09.08.2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8nhAjbmzMg
Leann Zugay
08.08.2010
Archie I believe the question between the two is whether or not you see yourself needing jog wheels to mix, if not I would say go with ddm. One of my buddies has one and he rips a set with just the mixer and a couple other little gadgets without jogs. You'll also save a bunch of money on buying the ddm
Errol Bernabei
08.08.2010
Originally Posted by looneygeorge
What about the new NI controller? I feel it looks abit better as it stands now
No ones knows anything for sure by the looks of it.

http://www.djranking s.com/2010/07/2...ontroller_new/

It could also be a long way off release. 6 months+ at a guess.
Shay Wyche
08.08.2010
I just want a few decent reviews of this before I decide whether to buy it or the DDM4000 for home use.

* They're even available on Ebay now.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/American-audio...073257ff28e643
Lillia Doc
08.08.2010
What about the new NI controller? I feel it looks abit better as it stands now
Errol Bernabei
08.08.2010
UK store decks.co.uk stock levels say its in stock. There usually pretty spot on I was on the phone to them on Monday and they said they were taking stock before Friday. Nothing slid though like its in my hands right now.
Cristian Carmona
08.08.2010
so is it here yet?
Errol Bernabei
08.08.2010
Rather than throw up a new thread I thought i would tag it on the end of this. I am getting my VMS4 pretty soon but i require a bag for it. Now I know they are making a flightcase but I need something a bit more portable than that like a UDG or a magma bag. Does anyone know of something which would let me get a VMS4 in?

Dimensions (LxWxH): 19”x12.75”x1.5” / 482x325x40mm
Tyrone Baghdadi
03.08.2010
VMS4 is currently in production at our factory in China. American Audio USA will begin receiving it's first shipment the last week of July. American Audio Europe should receive their first shipment the first week of August.
..statement of AA from the official American Audio community ...
Clara Samario
02.07.2010
VMS4 - VELOCITY MIDI STATION

AVAILABLE JULY 2010
It's the release date actually
Latoria Kavulich
02.07.2010
End of july would be perfect for me. we've just spent about 5k on a PA, mixer etc so have to start saving again lol.

@ Sherpa. Yeah its a bulky unit mate, All good tho as long as there's a solid case available. If not, well i can design and bulid one pretty easy, used to design speaker cabs for car stereos a few years back ;p
Antonetta Wikel
01.07.2010
@ tiger style - LOL Yeah I'm beginning to believe that the VMS4 & the Otus Raw are really just vaporware.
Keith Mermer
01.07.2010
Originally Posted by TABS
Last week of July...
... is when they will tell you how long you really have to wait until it actually comes out
Matthew Urtel
02.07.2010
Originally Posted by Abyrne7
Where are these controllers. When are they coming??????!!!!!!!!!!
Last week of July.
Mac Fly
01.07.2010
Where are these controllers. When are they coming??????!!!!!!!!!!
Oswaldo Appeldorn
01.07.2010
whereee???
Tyrone Baghdadi
30.06.2010
Now GO DJTT, please provide us a quality review of this unit..

Sounds really interesting so far..
Nilsa Erben
20.06.2010
Originally Posted by JesterNZDJ
I want to see the flightcase they are working on. Otherwise its gonna be a bitch to lug around.
Not likely gonna get into your carry on bag with your MacBook Pro now is it? :eek:
Latoria Kavulich
20.06.2010
I want to see the flightcase they are working on. Otherwise its gonna be a bitch to lug around.
Oswaldo Appeldorn
20.06.2010
does anyone have buy one? how good it is?
Matthew Urtel
18.06.2010
So...... anyone place a pre-order? I am next week.
Madlyn Trocino
18.05.2010
Originally Posted by pilmat
I recently picked up a Xone DX and am unimpressed by the hot cue buttons on the front. Sure they will cue your song, but they don't feel "playable". And they are plastic.
Most Plastic buttons dont have the travel that the Xone series (small black buttons) uses. I cant believe of any other controller that has anything like them. That being said, although the travel is long, it doesnt take the button to be pushed all the way down in order to trip the midi command, its trips the midi command less then half way down. After using them for a while, I would even say they are kinda arcade button-ish. My only issue beyond that is their size, they are really small.

Its funny, I thought I hated the Hot Cue buttons at first too, but when I mapped play and Cue functions to them I kinda like them, and prefer them over the large Play & Cue silver buttons now. They do "break in" a bit - meaning they feel more reponsive over time because they have a bit more give.
Latoria Kavulich
18.05.2010
some of us put puzzy before gearz beer first tho.
Corine Kasman
18.05.2010
Originally Posted by JesterNZDJ
Now that i have an actual means with which to fund said purchase (AKA a Job) i'm defo getting one, plus two x1's and a hooker.
But probably not in that order. I understand all about priorities!
Latoria Kavulich
18.05.2010
Now that i have an actual means with which to fund said purchase (AKA a Job) i'm defo getting one, plus two x1's and a hooker.
Irwin Ney
18.05.2010
lol I completely misunderstood it, I do agree with rubber buttons beign worse then plastic buttons
Corine Kasman
18.05.2010
Its not the knob, its the button in rubber that is poor. The rubber adds another spring in the chain of command and doesn't give the tactile response thictool is looking for (correct me if I'm wrong, dude).

Arcade buttons are one of the best choices for the tactile control (they are designed for exactly that), but take up real-estate and are not really compatible with modern mass production techniques (surface mount, etc.).

Your Oxy keys are designed for tactile responce and therefore also a good choice for control, but they too are real-estate hungry.

I recently picked up a Xone DX and am unimpressed by the hot cue buttons on the front. Sure they will cue your song, but they don't feel "playable". And they are plastic.

Phil.

P.S. @thictool, no problem with the tap test. If I give it an almighty rap (knuckles, not finger tips) in the middle of the faders, the right layer button trips but only that.
Irwin Ney
18.05.2010
I agree with you man,
I can now understand what you are trying to say, sorry if I sound too rude, sometimes my English writing can be pretty limitated

I still don't get why rubber buttons are so worse then the plastic ones because the only gear I had in my life is my used Oxygen 8 v2 with plastic "short" knobs and I can't compare with a unit with rubber knobs...

Can you elaborate it a bit more?

Do you believe that the rubberized knobs (http://ranking s.myshopify.com/produ...-sliders-black) at the DJTT store are worse then the plastic VCI-100 ones or the plastic colored knob pack (http://ranking s.myshopify.com/produ...d-knob-packs)?
Madlyn Trocino
17.05.2010
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
You believe yoo much about what people will say about you and your gear , pro DJs are DJs like you and me, they are not gods, they just have more money and are more popular then us...
Daft Punk used to use BCR 2000 and BCF 2000 in their Pyramid, do you believe they really care about the "behringer" brand of the unit?
Just use what you believe that works for you and fuck everybody else believeing about you
Im sorry if you believe im judging anyone or making a statement about particular "DJs". This is not my intention

The statement I made is more about the fact that its impossible to do professional tricks with accuracy, like beat juggling, direct starts / hits (and the like) with rubber buttons.

To say a pro DJ wont be bragging about his fancy rubber buttons, is really saying - pro djs dont use equiptment that will hinder their ability to do things with accuracy. Its a know fact that rubber buttons are NOT accurate .

Im basically bitching about American Audio's decision making. They finally make a unit that can bridge the gap for so many DJs, yet they choose questional material that cant be changed.

The VMS seems to suffer from questionable Jog Wheels & Soundcard, and in my opinion questionable rubber buttons. If American Audio is going to take short cuts, at least they could do it in a way where we could change the aspect of what we were unhappy with. The Jogs, Buttons & Soundcard are non replacable.

I could care less about a company name or brand or weither its considered PRO equiptment or not. I would use anything that suited my needs. For the record I loved the BCR 2000 and BCF 2000 (which BTW doesnt have RUBBER BUTTONS)

Numark isnt exactly known for their reliability or quality products, yet when they decided to make the NS7, they up-ed the game by leaps and bounds and made a kick ass product. Sure the NS7 costs alot but its totally high end.

Im just saying that American Audio could have really changed the game here by making the VMS a higher end peice of equiptment, but instead, what we get is, yet another low priced mid-level controller. Sure VMS boasts cool new features, but it also majorly falls short on specs.

I wouldnt mind spending a couple hundred more dollars for a controller that has all the bells and whistles the VMS has if it had a better soundcard, better jog wheels & better buttons. Why make another mid-level controller with all these cool new features and then skimp in other areas that are so important?
Irwin Ney
17.05.2010
Originally Posted by thictool
Cushioning feel? Well thats cool,

But try and do any direct hit DJ trickery, or anything along the lines of an Ian Golden type trickery....Its totaly not possible to do with rubber button with any real accuracy.

I get it and all....the VMS is cool, but no "real" pro dj is gonna use a unit with rubber buttons. I can't believe of any pro DJs saying, "Hey check out my new controller with fancy rubber buttons!"
You believe yoo much about what people will say about you and your gear , pro DJs are DJs like you and me, they are not gods, they just have more money and are more popular then us...
Daft Punk used to use BCR 2000 and BCF 2000 in their Pyramid, do you believe they really care about the "behringer" brand of the unit?
Just use what you believe that works for you and fuck everybody else believeing about you
Madlyn Trocino
17.05.2010
Originally Posted by Rohkus
Rubber absorbs to my fingers and has a cushioning feeling. Just like how I like soft beds rather then a rock solid beds.
Cushioning feel? Well thats cool,

But try and do any direct hit DJ trickery, or anything along the lines of an Ian Golden type trickery....Its totaly not possible to do with rubber button with any real accuracy.

I get it and all....the VMS is cool, but no "real" pro dj is gonna use a unit with rubber buttons. I can't believe of any pro DJs saying, "Hey check out my new controller with fancy rubber buttons!"
Roxana Mazeika
16.05.2010
The VMS4 looks super siick! I can't wait for it to come out.

Originally Posted by thictool
Does anyone even like rubber buttons?

If so, why exactly?
Rubber absorbs to my fingers and has a cushioning feeling. Just like how I like soft beds rather then a rock solid beds.
Random X
14.05.2010
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
i believe ean said it in a video too: they feel kinda toyish, plastic. having a vci100 i didn't like the feel of the vms4 jog
Yeah, that's why I asked.
Oswaldo Appeldorn
14.05.2010
Yup me i will buy it soon ^^

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