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Future of DJTT and DJing in General
Posted on: 16.07.2012 by Lawana Spratlen
Ive been a member of DJTT for a few years now. My post count, although no where near some of the members counts is, in my opinion respectable. Ive tried to give help where I can, Ive also upset a few people along the way. Whatever, I suppose we are all keyboard warriors to a certain extent. Some people have been rude and blinkered so Ive done the same back.

I joined after buying Traktor and a simple controller after getting back into djing after a good few years break. Coming from a turntable background i thought I'd give controllers a go. I now use scratch and 1210's.

My issue is where DJTT is going and if it is having an adverse effect on DJing.

Bar the finger drumming routines by the likes of araab music and jeremy ellis, Ive jet to see a routine that plays any good music!!! Its all been hideous. I feel that these routines are turning the art of DJing into a computer game. The new midi fighter 3D is one of the worst gimmicks Ive seen! The recent video of the 11 year old hit the above home to me (not a dig on him by the way, its cool that hes into music at his age). This new form of djing imo sucks and is in danger of killing djing with everyone able to buy a cheap midi controller and a ripped off copy of traktor.

I have no issue with sync, its the music choice that sets djs apart. These routines seem to lend themselves to this total SHIT dubstep and electro music which IS shit. people are entitled to there opinions but im sorry, there is not a respected musician in the world that could like it

Sorry in advance is I upset some people, but if you like this wobble dubstep/brostep whatever wanky name its got, I dont believe that you have any taste. Again my opinion and I dont mean to upset anyone.

Of course this is my opinion. I like the community of DJTT cos it has a couple of good threads and offers some great advice. But the blog, I'm really not keen in the direction its going. I hope people at DJTT don't get offended by this. Its just my 2 cents.

What do other people believe?
Lashay Walchak
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by BFLY
What do other people believe?
Out of curiosity what was going on starting @ 11:00 of your Terry Fukwitt mix. That sounded like a bunch of quick triggers of a single hot-cue with filter (and panning?). Overall the mix is sounding good, don't see why your being so critical about controllers if you're using them effectively and expanding your musical horizons, pretty sure I'm hearing a few more samples/cues being fired off moments later in the the same mix.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
Not all Top 40 is bad, if fact some of it is pretty good and is popular for a reason.
lies lies make baby jesus cry! that's not a rip on "ean golden"... For your sins you must say 3 hail eans! "that was"
Lashay Walchak
16.07.2012		AGAIN. NOT ALL DJ GIGS ARE AIMED AT DANCING!!! This mindset is what's ruining DJ'ing believe it or not. Not everyone goes out to dance. Some people go out to chill. If they show up at their favorite dive and you've been hired to play music and don't realize the crowd wants to hear some R.E.M. or The Doors and you drop Skrillex or Levels your giving DJ'ing a bad name by not being well versed to play music appropriate for the demographic that is in the room.

Modern DJ's have a hard time swallowing this and drop "banger" (hate saying, hearing, and using that word) after "banger" (there it is again, it's so awful). And are in awe when the place clears out and the owner/manager/bartender(s) are starring at them. You can't do this DJ shit if you're closed minded as to what good music is. You have got to know decades worth of tunes and whom to play them for. It's not all tweeny boppers with neon sunglasses chucking dueces and duck faces. If you're heavily affiliated with that crowd you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Edwardo Rothenberger
16.07.2012		I bought a Traktor S4 about 6 months ago after about 14 years of giving up my 1210's.

There is plenty of wizardry that can be done on these things but it obviously has to be done tastefully and musically. Some of the videos are very clever, but you can't imagine being on the dance floor to it. Years ago when you had these 4 deck wizards doing amazing scratching. It was very clever, but there was no real musical flow, so you've always had that element before digital Djing

One thing I've loved about using wav's, etc is that if there is a section I don't like, or a break that just is too long (seem's to me they are starting to take up half the track with some House music) I can edit it down
Lashay Walchak
16.07.2012		It's not DJTT either, it's just modern DJ's. I've seen local guys whom were really big names in Chicago's "Progressive" around y2k. They're riding their coat tails from yesteryear to get on the decks and drop Top 40 garbage. The bars in my immediate area have been subjected to an onslaught of these guys and they're just trying to salvage a career they already ruined by partaking in the party too much themselves. Not all Top 40 is bad, if fact some of it is pretty good and is popular for a reason. There are quite a few tracks that were Top 40 in their day that I rarely leave out of a set (my sets are 4 hours so I suppose they would be dropped in a more traditional club set of and hour or two).
Ashanti Andreacchio
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Emery


I learned pretty quick that it doesn't matter how underground or awesome you believe your tracks are, if it doesn't get girls movin' on the floor it's a fail. Unfortunately most drunk girls have horrible taste in music. It's our job to make their shit music sound good. IMO
So true and if you don't get the girls dancing no boys will dance and with no one dancing your out of you job.
If you don't like some kind of music don't play it, It's the same with sport if you dont like basketball don't expect the audiance their to chear on you if you play foodball. I've been into music the last 30 years as Dj and playing in bands and dance music has never been all about melody but all about the rythem and some, not all of the Dub/Brostep have a rythem that can shake some seriouse ass and bounce those boobies. If you can't excapt that then your welcome to play to older closed minded people and make them happy while we continue to rock the teen to 20 + youngsters for many years to come.
When people go out no one will ever ask you what's music they only want you to play something that will make them dance.
Nereida Jasnoch
16.07.2012		You disagree with someone else's taste.

And are butthurt.

Jeez.

Get used to it OP, this is how the world works.

/thread
Johnetta Olewine
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Emery


I learned pretty quick that it doesn't matter how underground or awesome you believe your tracks are, if it doesn't get girls movin' on the floor it's a fail. Unfortunately most drunk girls have horrible taste in music. It's our job to make their shit music sound good. IMO
What crap. It might be your job as a DJ to try and polish turds but I have never (thankfully) played a tune that I didn't like at a gig and I don't plan too. Have some fucking self respect.
Lashay Walchak
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Why would the video of that 11 year old get you so worked up? Do you really expect him to have a refined taste in music at the ripe old age of 11? He was playing some tunes he enjoyed and having fun doing it, chill mate.
This is pretty valid too, the kid is well on his way to being a great DJ. But he should know to stay away from certain tunes because he can just as easily swing by /r/DJscirclejerk to see the endless ridicule to expect when you drop "Levels".
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
16.07.2012		techno isn't about melody it's about rhythm that's why you can here more melody in electro/brostep. but brostep is about making the most disgusting noise you can, adding a variable lfo with the loudest snare/clap add a few builds with a big drop and your done. There is only so much of the same sound people can handle so it probably only has a year or two left, and is fast being taken over by moombah which will get oversaturated just the same, although I believe that has a little more variety and a happier vibe so should last longer.
Lashay Walchak
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Emery
I learned pretty quick that it doesn't matter how underground or awesome you believe your tracks are, if it doesn't get girls movin' on the floor it's a fail. Unfortunately most drunk girls have horrible taste in music. It's our job to make their shit music sound good. IMO
I hate it, but this is the reality of most of our "jobs" at the end of the day. I'm completely with the OP in being disappointed seeing Skrillex remixes in the few finalist video's of the recent contest. It's gone way too far.

Shitty music taste is easily acquired when it's shoved down your throat by the mega-corporations that run the world. There are subliminal messages and advertisements throughout all of Pop culture to make it seem like you're being "cool" by listening to this or wearing that. Good music taste isn't as easily acquired. Just like making good music isn't easy to do. I can't remember where I read it, but it was a very good insight as why production is so hard to do at first because since you have good taste in music that you know what you're making is shit.

I'm beginning to adapt to the young girls much better by taking a few requests to get them on the floor, after playing them a few of their anthems you can almost go anywhere you want with it after you've got a crowd established. When I first started gigging I was aiming at venues that this demographic won't be at in big numbers so I could cruise through all kinds of genre's, but never really have a dance crowd. Some managers/owners are cool with that as long as you've discussed before hand that you aren't aiming to be a "dance party" DJ.

Coming fresh off my most successful "dance party" last Saturday I'm intrigued to see the return we get next Saturday as the place was absolutely jumping for 3 hours straight. I really didn't play too many requests, maybe a half dozen. Being in Chicagoland I shouldn't be as surprised as I am for Cajmere's "Percolator" and Stevie B. "Diamond Girl". So take the good (requests) with the bad (requests) and try to enjoy yourself.



After ranting about requests I now remember the OP was ranting about DJTT's shitty music taste. Shame on you DJTT.
Lawana Spratlen
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by firebr4nd
Why would the video of that 11 year old get you so worked up? Do you really expect him to have a refined taste in music at the ripe old age of 11? He was playing some tunes he enjoyed and having fun doing it, chill mate.
Thats just the straw that broke the camels back tbh.
Ulysses Vittetoe
16.07.2012		Why would the video of that 11 year old get you so worked up? Do you really expect him to have a refined taste in music at the ripe old age of 11? He was playing some tunes he enjoyed and having fun doing it, chill mate.
Gina Promes
16.07.2012		Forumwars!

In my opinion, dubstep and electro house have muuuuuch more melodic and musical elements that some 10min long techno tracks.
Geri Jarra
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by ToOntown
Post count? Nobody cares about that. Come on, man...

Your music, it's crap and the people who make it are not talented. Also, since you use Traktor you're a cheater. Buy your music on wax and lug all those records around with you. That's the only way to be a true DJ. Otherwise, you're just killing my artform.

Do you see the hyperbole? Am I making any kind of point to you?


I learned pretty quick that it doesn't matter how underground or awesome you believe your tracks are, if it doesn't get girls movin' on the floor it's a fail. Unfortunately most drunk girls have horrible taste in music. It's our job to make their shit music sound good. IMO
Lawana Spratlen
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Otacon
your attitude is shit, and I feel like you're trying to start a rage war thread.
Not at all. Just making the point that Its not that upsetting to say certain things
Kecia Wnukowski
16.07.2012		@op
I can understand what you're saying in a sense. I just don't like the music I hear usually on youtube videos/demos usually, I believe they tend to lack groove, soul and are most of the time quite cheesy in the music selection. But I won't have used the form you're using to put words to that. It's just it's not the music I tend to like, and that's about it. Yeah I THINK the music sucks but I'm coming from a different background and I don't believe I do have any kind of pedigree to judge that. I just tend to ignore them mainly because I'm not very interested.
Talking about the recent contest, as an example, I believe the music used by the winner is horrible, on the other hand the video itself and the work put into/music production and workflow is really interesting.

As putting a video up, well I supposed the format (talking a about "technique") lends to that in a 3/6 minutes format. Mixing two songs that are 6/9 minutes long wouldn't be interesting if you just don't something else.
Shonda Soulier
16.07.2012		Post count? Nobody cares about that. Come on, man...

Your music, it's crap and the people who make it are not talented. Also, since you use Traktor you're a cheater. Buy your music on wax and lug all those records around with you. That's the only way to be a true DJ. Otherwise, you're just killing my artform.

Do you see the hyperbole? Am I making any kind of point to you?
Erich Vallabhaneni
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by BFLY
No ones going to cry are they?
your attitude is shit, and I feel like you're trying to start a rage war thread.
Lawana Spratlen
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
I couldn't care less.




You do need to try harder at the not upsetting anyone game though, mate.
No ones going to cry are they?
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
16.07.2012		your saying what were all believeing (at least that's what I believe). But the people who treat it like a video game quit pretty quickly when they realize there is no levels and no boss to conquer, then they sell their barely used gear on ebay to me cheap.

I respect the shit outta chase and status musically and they like dubstep and make it incredible well for a crossover band..
Brunilda Kora
16.07.2012		I couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by bfly
if you like this wobble dubstep/brostep whatever wanky name its got, I dont believe that you have any taste.
Originally Posted by bfly
...I dont mean to upset anyone.
You do need to try harder at the not upsetting anyone game though, mate.
Erika Zayac
16.07.2012		Hey there. Its a free world and everyone is entitled to opinions but I believe you are wrong in this case dude (no offense). It all comes down to one thing...evolution. Things MUST change, whether for good or bad the change must happen. I stand with you on the whole aspect of how djing is bit too easy now, but all that means is the people who suck are just gnna suck a lot quicker now haha. Skills are still skills. Controllerism and finger drumming are way cool IMO as that shit takes practice and serious coordination.

Same with music bro..everyone has their own taste and it's all subjective. I absolutely love all forms of EDM. Too many flame wars going on. I personally can't stand a lot of music out there but it means nothing cuz for every hate there is someone who loves, if there was no hate then the music probly can't be judged.

I myself have been in the realm of art my whole life, I approach this from that viewpoint. All In all it comes back to evolution. My .02
Linda Chavda
16.07.2012		I believe that if you believe people who like electro/dubstep are not respectable musicians then you are very very closed minded.

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