only a fool would use VDJ!
Home :: Free word - say whatever you like which does not fit under the other topics. :: only a fool would use VDJ!Reply
only a fool would use VDJ! Posted on: 22.07.2012 by Jonathan Chiuchiolo discuss | |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | couldn't you make a html webform that can take the typing out of scripting in mixxx? although in vdj8 that was being changed to both dropdown menu's and typing... I prefer typing personally as it's quicker once you know the language used. The mixxx blueprint for effects looks fantastic and very well thought out! I like that you can predesignate the order of effect chains in traktor and mixxx, that is something you can't do in VDJ, you can chain the effects but it gets chained in the order of activation which is a clumsy implementation considering their is designated effect slots built in. I wish it followed the slot order instead.. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
i do like the vdj syntax tho - and the new midimasher config format that is almost ready is very similar - based on the same "ternary operator" syntax (the whole question mark thingy) |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ZiiK
scripting in mixxx will also be getting simpler. atm you need to use qtscript (javascript) and have ultimate control, you can even add your own background timers for automated stuff and repeating events etc. point and click midi mapping is already in for 1.11 and hopefully in the future there'll be a type of traktor-ish modifier system, but no where near as limiting. here's the modifier system blueprint that i need to pull my finger out and contribute to: http://mixxx.org/wiki/doku.php/modifier_system so any ideas welcome... edit: meant 1.11 and not 1.12 |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | That's better... cheap controllers give little discounts, as in if a manufacturer pays less to atomix to option a version of LE to sell the controller cheaper to you, you make up the difference. But I rate NI kontrollers only a little higher than mixtracks and they cost $300, your paying the same for the quality of the controller and $100 for the software, the VDJ equivalent is the mixtrack pro which you pay $150 for the upgrade, but you get lifetime updates, video, timecode and open support for any audio/midi/HID device. the syntax for scripting is very elegant and as close to the way you would say it as possible. The only things you need to know are variable's query ? action if query is true : action if query is false ? means if : means else and that ampersand "&" joins scripts together to occur concurrently. eg "do this & do that" so you can put them together like this query ? do this & do that : do this & do that the rest is just using verbs that are easily readable and understandable, you can name all the variables and use as many as you like for really complicated results. Skinning was a very steep learning curve that took about two days to get over once I tried, although I had a half arsed attempt 6 months prior that I spent a day or two on before giving up. Basically all you need to do is plot where the elements are located and where to draw them and what they do. It honestly takes longer to decide on the final layout, color and drawing then it does to put together a standard skin in xml. There is also a skin editor that takes the pain out of doing everything manually and checks for any errors. but you are correct xml is unforgiving with simple errors, but is also very good at pointing out the exact location of the error so you can fix it. Third dodgy 3rd party vst's can be an issue, but if you use anything live without first testing or have a backup plan your crazy. And you haven't considered real vst's that cost money only dodgy free ones, although there are some great free ones. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 23.07.2012 | Could you already do that? Use JACK instead of rewire and then just route it into whatever VST host you want. Done. |
| Santiago Brasier 23.07.2012 | vst effects and rewire for mixxx and it would be all good! |
| Santiago Brasier 23.07.2012 | I reckon Traktor is becoming the new Serato and VDJ is becoming the new Traktor. Not sure what Serato is becoming yet. What I mean is that Traktor is moving towards being an all in one solution with full plug and play abilities. Perhaps taking it one step further then Serato making their own hardware. I agree that Traktors native effects are good and there is a lot of fun functions. And being able to map is king. How it's done not so great. I hate the little controller manager and would much rather learn some simple scripts. Seems as us users are less intimidated by some code these days and thus opens up for custom mappings of VDJ or MIXXX. The fact that VDJ work with vst plugins and play well with other sofware make it a contender for those who enjoy experimenting and creating their digital setup. I'm sure Serato has interesting stuff down the line. And I bet many are curious to know. Time will tell I guess. A little sad they just keep pushing stuff like the Bridge for Itch into the future. Think the lack of mapping options is their big downside. I would love to try VDJ, not to keen to spend the cash though. The new price policy from NI sure shook things up a bit! Suppose what would be truly epic is if MIXXX would gain enough momentum to be a serious competitor. Cheers! |
| Ashanti Andreacchio 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Buy any controller with similar options as say S2 and get VDJ LE you need to fork out around $300 for only the controller the the upgrate with discount $250. VDJ sucks because you need to know scripts to even have a chance of mapping slightly the way you want it to. VDJ is ugly as hell unless you use custom skins or you (Again have to know the Skining language) make your own. and just one line done wrong can cause VDJ crash. VDJ FX suck bit time you need to download user made once to even get close to usefull FX. And some that have only been tested on a hand full of computers are also the reason for some crashes in VDJ. VDJ on it's own is stable as stable gets. But to make it usefull you'll need 3 party plugins witch all can lead to blackouts when you mostly need it to be stable. So yes only a fool would use VDJ for their hearth of their lifesuporting income. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | i'm getting all nostalgic now... anyway back on topic VDJ SUX! |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Ahhh ecstasy for dinner, ghb for a midevening
snack and ketamine for breakfast! repeat! those were the days LOL
I've never played with richie hawtin, but the opportunity would never arise again... the biggest names I have shared the stage with are Zany & Techoboy if your into hardstyle.
|
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | I'll be a beta tester & I haven't got one yet ... but I suppose that means it's close Ahhh ecstasy for dinner, ghb for a midevening snack and ketamine for breakfast! repeat! those were the days LOL
Originally Posted by zestoi
|
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
I will never again have the chance to share the stage with richie hawtin and probably won't get another weekly residency as I was a bit of a drug fiend when I was in the scene djing every weekend and don't really want the temptation, still love the music and djing though.
Originally Posted by Patch
|
| Brunilda Kora 23.07.2012 | I just wish there was more info on VDJ8... |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | I use timecode vinyl, It keeps me on my toes when mixing so my inner adhd side can't take over my inner reasoning and make me ruin music with too many effects or poorly timed sampling. But the benifit of having guys like you and me Pete is we geek out so others don't have to. I will never again have the chance to share the stage with richie hawtin and probably won't get another weekly residency as I was a bit of a drug fiend when I was in the scene djing every weekend and don't really want the temptation, still love the music and djing though. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
|
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Yul
When I play with mapping I like to come up with crazy ways to use the software and share them with others. I like both aspects of modern djing... |
| Germaine Bernadin 23.07.2012 | I've spent thousands on software. Waves V9 Mercury aint cheap, I have all the Softube, Lexicon, SSL, Neve, ... the list is allmost endless........... |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Now the only important differences where vdj is worse between the two are the internal eq and the sampler, both are getting fixed for version 8. The gui I don't consider to be important for now I'm much more interested at what the core program can do and how easily it can do it. VDJ has everything beat in this area, It's like open source software with a professional dev team.
edit: meant 1.11 and not 1.12 |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
|
| Kecia Wnukowski 23.07.2012 | In the end, to each one his own tools, the soul lies not in the 'technology' but in what you can with do it (or something like that I've just read from Richie Hawtin). Use what's best for you I guess. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | the F1 costs $300, S4 costs $800, S2 costs $400, Audio 6/10 $400... by design you need at least two of these controllers to use traktor optimally and you lose HID when you remap... the price difference is easily made up when you consider that you can use any controller in full resolution and can use the whole program... If vdj had traktors effects this would be a very different story... wait a sec guitar rig vst has traktors 12 and that works in vdj as well as heaps of other vst's ... As I said in another thread, I have been djing for 10 years since I was 18 and still obsessed, using software for only a couple of years, but had will have had 3 upgrades when the next version hits so have got my return on my investment, after that it's all gravy. If I had to pay for upgrades for 10 years and lost my freedom of choice in hardware it would add up. Now the only important differences where vdj is worse between the two are the internal eq and the sampler, both are getting fixed for version 8. The gui I don't consider to be important for now I'm much more interested at what the core program can do and how easily it can do it. VDJ has everything beat in this area, It's like open source software with a professional dev team. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
having said that... and even tho i use mixxx these days.... i am really curious about vdj8 and will buy a copy if i can justify it. |
| Shonda Soulier 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
|
| Nadia Shelmadine 23.07.2012 | Only a fool is a DJ. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 23.07.2012 | Only a fool would pay $300 for DJ software ;P |
| Merrie Jandro 22.07.2012 | lol nice avi dude I love that video. I agree Virtual DJ is terrible compared to using CDJ's (my personal preference) or Serato. |
<< Back to Free word - say whatever you like which does not fit under the other topics.Reply