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only a fool would use VDJ! Posted on: 22.07.2012 by Jonathan Chiuchiolo discuss | |
| Freida Leash 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
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| Freida Leash 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
(jk) |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
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| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
It's actually more expensive than traktor to begin with but overtime it works out cheaper though... And again that is because of the undeserved stigma attached to the program and the toy like name and skin. Neither of those things are ultimately important in djing & controllerism, and the gui is skinnable... I'll start making skins again when I know what skinning tools VDJ8 will include eg. floating pannels, SVG Graphics, new verbs, and things to display... There is no point spending hours and hours now only to find that there is a different way in the coming months. But if djdecks skins are anything to go by there should be a lot more possibilities coming. The important thing in controllerism is interfacing with the software and making your controller do all sorts of weird and wonderful things with mapping, at this VDJ Script is unsurpassed. And VST's mean any effect can be replicated. To not understand this or look past the skin/name is just ignorant in the words of Michael Jefferson . |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
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| Lilliana Perris 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Tommi Bass
Quality costs money.....or so they say. Your list has all the top plugs tho...good stuff! |
| Freida Leash 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
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| Sparkle Faldyn 29.07.2012 | I remember using the original Virtual DJ before they the software was bought up by Atomix. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 29.07.2012 | Whoa- a site that sells old school jungle digitally? Sweet. I wish it said what the bitrate is though :/ |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 29.07.2012 | Does anyone ever try anymore... I found it on the first page of the first search. http://www.junglistdownload.com/jung...hk=1&Itemid=30 |
| Freida Leash 29.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 27.07.2012 |
Say what? VDJ Pro costs over 3 times as much as Traktor Pro. And realistically you'd be getting your Traktor licence for free with some hardware. VDJ is many things, cheap is not one of them.
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 27.07.2012 | Junglist Massive! |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 27.07.2012 | |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
(jk) |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 26.07.2012 | as I said earlier, I have been doing this for 10 years and only used software for 2, in that time I have had 2 updates, VDJ8 will be the third... But I went from usually spending $100- $200 a week on my vinyl habit to $10 - $20 on trackitdown after binging on all the back catalogues of tracks I could never get on wax. If any of these kids have a real passion for dance music they will still have it in 10 years, probably 20 judging by the ages of some of the guys on here who still live and breathe it.. Also upgrading with a mixtrack pro the highest selling consumer dj product is only $150, anything that comes with LE get's a discount but the amount varies. People who believe djing is expensive now have no idea of the money you used to haemorrhage to stay at the top of your game. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
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| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
It's actually more expensive than traktor to begin with but overtime it works out cheaper though... And again that is because of the undeserved stigma attached to the program and the toy like name and skin. Neither of those things are ultimately important in djing & controllerism, and the gui is skinnable... I'll start making skins again when I know what skinning tools VDJ8 will include eg. floating pannels, SVG Graphics, new verbs, and things to display... There is no point spending hours and hours now only to find that there is a different way in the coming months. But if djdecks skins are anything to go by there should be a lot more possibilities coming. The important thing in controllerism is interfacing with the software and making your controller do all sorts of weird and wonderful things with mapping, at this VDJ Script is unsurpassed. And VST's mean any effect can be replicated. To not understand this or look past the skin/name is just ignorant in the words of Michael Jefferson . |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
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| Latoria Kavulich 26.07.2012 | There's knobs everywhere mate lol |
| Audrey Pinda 26.07.2012 | I just personally see VDJ as unprofessional. Maybe I buy into the word on the street, but it's just how it is for me. It's a cheap, easy way to get into the game. That's not a bad thing honestly, but I feel investing into your software and hardware also is a clear way to show your absolute dedication to the craft. It's not the only method, and a DJ on any medium can be awesome, but it doesn't hurt. And it doesn't help the sheer amount of knobs that use VDJ. |
| Latoria Kavulich 26.07.2012 | I'm sure an experienced vdj dj would blow most of the traktor noobs out of the water. A good carpenter is good no matter what tools he has to work with. |
| Lilliana Perris 26.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Tommi Bass
Quality costs money.....or so they say. Your list has all the top plugs tho...good stuff! |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 25.07.2012 | I agree completely with you nem0nic, And have said it lots of times that the standard program with no modification is the worst, especially the LE version, But the core of the software is the best and has the most potential for a user base like the one at djtt, because this site's foundation is/was DIY and doing things differently. I believe atomix certainly could have done better on the eq and effects front as they are appalling and I have been outspoken about it, but I believe they were only catering to their relatively small market of over 30's mobile dj's, and since they haven't had a major release since consumer djing went into overdrive they haven't addressed the ever present issues which weren't that big of a deal to their market. Although from the video's at musikmesse it looks like these issues are finally being addressed. But all I'm saying is you can use workarounds for all of it because the core of the program allows it. I don't believe anyone has ever said that before and been able to provide specific examples of solutions. For me personally I was/am completely astounded at the sheer amount of things I could do with VDJ that no one told me about and I know absolutely nothing about computer programming, so I guess I'm just putting it out there because it has brought me a little enjoyment cause I certainly don't get paid for it . |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 25.07.2012 |
The biggest one on the NI community
... "when are we getting post fader effects" the answer for VDJ and any open platform software is make one, here is the SDK.
This is the other side of the coin, and it's a BIG problem for VDJ. Yes, I'll say that VDJ's scripting is a MASSIVE bonus. But the out of box experience for many users is terrible. The stock effects are awful. The GUI is nearly as bad, plus it's entirely possible that you'll have functionality that isn't represented on screen if you change that GUI. You CAN NOT expect every user to be willing to DIY many "bread and butter" aspects of their DJ software. There are other problems as well. Does it make sense to include so many features that require a network connection when the majority of Windows computers have a DPC issue with their WiFi drivers? To a savvy user, ALL of these issues can be addressed, and at that point VDJ is an incredibly powerful program. But the majority of users don't understand MIDI mapping or gain staging. This is ESPECIALLY true for new users who are exposed to VDJ through a demo version bundled with a product. And that's why Traktor and ScratchLive and Itch remain the aspirational software packages for DJs. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 24.07.2012 | Zestoi's right, I like the act of scripting and making software do silly things, It actually is fun making long scripts and making your mind work on new things, but you now another guy who liked to do things like change the way software performed was Jesus, and I would bet you would get on your knees and pray to him if he asked you to I can understand plug and play for most, but this is the djranking s website not "mumgotmeacontrollerhowdoidj.com", and the flexibility and choice I have using scripting which is pretty easy to pick up far outweighs what a locked solution like itch gives, and the amount of options available over traktor mean I don't have to whine on the software's community about functions being added I can just add them when the idea pops into my head. If I knew C++ I could create functions... The biggest one on the NI community ... "when are we getting post fader effects" the answer for VDJ and any open platform software is make one, here is the SDK. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 24.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 24.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
the mapping i created for my cheapo djtech cdj101's didn't take long and just gives me nice and manual control over the decks. that's all i tend to actually use when mixing these days, the rest is just mapping/scripting for the fun of it. also.... if i could afford cdj's i suspect i wouldn't even want to use any software most of the time. maybe just manually synching ableton for some extra clips etc.
First person to say "flexibility and choice" gets kicked in the head. You don't realistically need to spend all that time creating a rig that plays two tracks at the same time, and any "performance options" can be filled by opening up Live and actually remixing a track.
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| Nancey Inderlied 24.07.2012 | The thing about VDJ/Mixxx/user sculpted software is that yeah, you could spend days learning scripting and mapping, and have a DJing experience. Or, you could plug in your SL/Traktor Audio card, turn on your CDJs, or plug in your controller, and start doing all of that immediately, like right as soon as they're on. Whenever I see people wasting countless hours generating massive mappings or scripts to do fundamentally what CDJs and a mixer do already, it makes me wonder what those people actually enjoy doing. First person to say "flexibility and choice" gets kicked in the head. You don't realistically need to spend all that time creating a rig that plays two tracks at the same time, and any "performance options" can be filled by opening up Live and actually remixing a track. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 | some cool work is currently being done to improve the autodj function in mixxx as it happens auto beat matching and being able to customize what kind of mixing is used between tracks etc. never (hopefully) going to put us out of a job but i'm interested to see how it turns out... does look like it may be quite cool. i'd like to at least use it to have mixxx auto play tunes i've bought for dj'ing as opposed to just using itunes or playing my own mixes: Mixxx - GSOC2012 - AutoDJ Features |
| Ashanti Andreacchio 23.07.2012 | Skrillex I also like but like him more when I'm on the dancfloor side of the DJ booth Dub(Bro)Drum/step and those styles are fun to dance to but but gets boring fast when your sober behind the decks those evening s I wish I had VDJ and a playlist on automix :P |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 | must admit i was expecting loads of ill-informed anti-vdj comments just for the record i actually believe some of the stuff by skrillex is bloody good. not usually my cup of tea but have no idea why all the hate... a lot is jealousy i suspect |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 | remember tho that the js file only gets loaded once for the whole website, so each page refresh after that will use the previously loaded jquery file (and all your other js filles, i hardly ever embed js within the html source). also before using jquery/prototype i would find bugs on various browsers and have to put in specific code depending on what browser was being used. we seem to have got way OT again feel free to email me if i can help with the js thing. stuff like fades is def easier in jquery tho with stuff like $('#foo').fadeToggle("slow", "linear") |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | I haven't figured out how to use jquery yet, I have tried a couple of codes but can't get the syntax correct although it's only been a couple of weeks, and wanted to use loops with opacity for a fade to cut down on page size as the cutdown jquery file is 100kb on it's own. and with inkscape svg graphics I'm already sitting on 250kb which is already far too large... problem is there are heaps of beginner tutorials I have found but no transitional ones from beginner to intermediate... |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 | lol... a good chance they're using jquery, which is something you should look into. i use jquery and plugins for 99% of the websites i need to write javascript code for. if u see stuff like $('#foo').something() there's a good chance it's jquery or possibly prototype.js that i used to use before realising the true awesomeness of jquery... edit: javascripting in mixxx is generally quite simple though, esp compared to what you usually need for websites, have a look at this example which is used by my djtech cdj101 mapping: http://djism.com/mixxx/DJ-Tech-CDJ-101-scripts.js |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 23.07.2012 | I'm trying to learn javascript now it's a pain in the arse... still not over the curve but it's becoming a little easier every day. but when I look at html page sources for some websites or special effects I get a little scared! |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
The mixxx blueprint for effects looks fantastic and very well thought out! I like that you can predesignate the order of effect chains in traktor and mixxx, that is something you can't do in VDJ, you can chain the effects but it gets chained in the order of activation which is a clumsy implementation considering their is designated effect slots built in. I wish it followed the slot order instead..
i'm pleased that mixxx made it into the djtt dj survival kit tho |
| Ashanti Andreacchio 23.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
We use VDJ as karaoke system in our club and it's perfect for that. I like VDJ for pre listening to large folder and sorting the good songs in a favorite folder then export to import in Traktor on my DJ laptop. VDJ has by far the best browser and prelistening system I've every tried. So at home I do use it a lot Traktor just is better for my workflow at my gigs. |
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